Infern0's messages

What is interesting is that how one first thinks of the problem has a great effect on one’s solution. It is pretty obvious that I looked at what I was trying to make on the Philosopher’s Stone and I saw the problem as two sides of 3 that needed to be connected by a connecting piece. You however saw that you had two feeders per side and if they each contributed twice you would have 4 atoms which was 1/2 the needed result. Personally, after seeing yours (and some other people’s) I think your build a side of 4 and then change the atoms solution is more elegant and sensible.

Finally finished my Philosopher’s Stone (120/77). Interesting – I worked on a concept of building two sides then adding the connectors. You worked on concept of 4 doubles and then connecting them. Anyway, here it is:

b,3,11;c,1,9;b,10,11;c,13,9;b,1,7;b,7,7;b,6,9;b,12,5;m,4,13,270,1,lucdlll22oww;m,10,13,270,1,rucdrrr11oww;m,13,11,90,1,clllol;m,1,11,90,1,crrror;m,3,9,0,1,rc1llorwwwww;m,11,9,90,1,c2rrolwwwwwl;m,0,5,0,2,dowwuc;m,14,7,180,1,ouwwcd;m,1,4,90,2,rrwwwwwwcllo;m,13,3,90,1,llwwwwwwcrro;m,4,7,270,1,lcrrol;m,10,7,0,1,cllorr;m,8,5,90,1,1lluodrrwwc1;

I think your Elixir is all right, it’s slightly more efficient in terms of symbols than mine, but less in terms of cycles, probably because I managed to program my system with a chain of only 8 commands.

Here’s my horribly inefficient solution for the Philosopher’s Stone:
(I’m currently working on a complete redesign, after a quite good idea I had for making it much more efficient.)
b,1,7;b,12,9;b,12,7;c,10,11;b,6,7;b,7,9;c,10,9;b,1,9;c,4,11;c,4,9;m,10,13,0,2,cdowwwwwwwu;m,4,13,180,2,cdowwwwwwwu;m,4,1,180,2,cdowwwwwwwu;m,13,11,270,1,rrcllowwwww;m,12,11,270,1,rrcllw2wuod;m,10,1,0,2,cdowwwwwwwu;m,13,4,90,2,llcrrowwwww;m,2,4,90,2,rrcllwlorww;m,1,4,90,2,rrcllowwwww;m,3,4,90,2,dlwwwwwcruo;m,2,11,270,1,llcrrowwwww;m,1,11,270,1,llcrrw2wuod;m,12,4,90,2,llcrrowwwww;m,10,7,0,1,r2rorrcuodc;m,4,7,180,1,ulodcl1ollc;m,7,5,0,1,rwwwclrwl2o;m,8,5,0,1,luuoddrwwwc;

My current frustration: Elixir of Life. I built a pretty elegant contraption that builds the sides symmetrically but my problem is the center piece. I can’t seem to sync up its acquisition without disturbing the sides. If you watch this you’ll notice that the third time it takes a piece for the center from the bottom right it disturbs the creation of a side causing a failure a few cycles later. Having looked at it, I don’t think it is possible in this configuration to fix it so I will have to basically start over. Well, here it is (broken Elixir):
b,1,7;c,4,11;b,6,13;b,12,7;c,10,11;b,7,11;m,1,4,90,2,owrrcwll;m,3,9,270,1,cllorr;m,12,11,180,1,wwwwwc1uuodd;m,5,7,180,2,oucd;m,4,13,0,1,lwwcro;m,6,8,90,3,cddouu;m,6,7,0,1,luorrwwwwcdl;m,10,4,180,1,uucddo;m,1,10,90,2,cwrrowll;m,13,4,90,2,owllcwrr;m,9,7,0,2,oucd;m,11,9,270,1,crroll;m,10,13,0,2,rwwwrollwwwc;m,13,10,90,2,cwllowrr;

Thanks for the note. I understand about the Glyph, I’ve often learned some things I had made incorrect assumptions on by looking at other peoples solutions. I remember that I used to think that you had to drop an atom on a glyph rather than just pass over it to change the atom. I’ll take a look at your Elixir once I’ve had a chance to try it a couple times myself :)

That’s an impressive piece of engineering on the dual gold creation. I’ve built one of those as well – I got it down to: S-91; C-42:
p,3,10;p,10,11;m,1,10,0,2,orcl;m,6,5,270,1,llcrro;m,3,7,90,2,clorwwwwwwww;m,7,10,90,2,curoldwwwwww;m,10,7,90,3,wwwwcrolwwww;m,11,13,0,1,lorc;m,4,13,180,2,crolcdllluol;m,13,11,90,1,wwwwjcrolcllwwlol;m,10,13,180,2,wwwcdroluwww;

I must admit that you are one of the people I got the idea of twirling wheel creation for Black Powder from. I use it a little differently since I build it and only then modify the spokes from their original symbols. Probably the only reason I am more cycle efficient is that I tend to used shorter command chains than you do (I rarely go above 8) since I prefer more arms with shorter strings of commands – means less wait cycles for arms. I am impressed with the compactness of your design… mine tend to be more spread out. Also, you are only the 2nd person I’ve seen use all three feeders on this level.

Here’s mine (36/50):
b,3,10;t,5,7;t,7,7;c,12,6;c,12,8;m,3,7,90,2,wlorc2w2;m,1,10,0,2,orcl;m,7,10,90,2,crol;m,3,13,180,1,cru2odlw;m,9,7,0,2,llcdurro;m,12,3,90,3,rolc;