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!!! Warning !!! Spoilers !!!
- But wait, Socrates Jones, all did is show that IF the question about the origin of morality has no answer, then it's not so bad. You never actually proved that it INDEED has no answer. You just showed that four first suggestions for an answer were incomplete.
So, maybe your escape from Otherworld was a little bit too early?..
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Its so interesting how this being a video game effects how this information is digested. Through the medium of games there is an emphasis on what we as the players decide to do making the question of morality that much more tangible and that relevance makes it so much more graspable.
There were a few times were I was frustrated by the choice limitations. Like when Kant mentioned the positive imperatives I tried to counter with the lying one trying to see what he would say if in order to accomplish the positive I had to do the negative and vise versa. Similarly I tried to do the same thing with the arbiter. I wanted to say "if we work together (hobbes) we can still move forward, morality is not a destination but a direction" I also wanted to say to Euthephro "what method do the gods use? We sure could employ the same method in their absence" I also wanted to say to Mill "Then the most moral thing we can do is place everyone's brains in dopamine vats" and a few other things too..
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@Raraw12 that's something I've noticed with this, and the Ace Attorney games. I remember blazing through every case in the first Ace Attorney as a kid, but I came back to it, and have to use a guide to get past a lot of them.
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Thanks to this game, I was able to compete in the Ethics Bowl at my university, without actually taking an Ethics class. The professor in charge was satisfied that I knew enough already, and the tools the game gives you are a great outline for making real arguments about morality. Honestly? This is one of the greatest games I've ever played, it has seriously changed my life ever since.
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It'd feel a bit less condescending if Protagoras didn't read from his paper after I started calling him out. It feels like he anticipated my argument and even scripted the whole anticipated exchange.
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Such a cool thing to have a game about philosophy. I even used this in one of my classes when teaching philosophy in highschool after teaching them about Socrates, Hobbes and Kant, was nice yo have students play the chapters where they met those philosophers...
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It's a really interesting game that really makes you think about differant phillosophy from history. I wish I was smart enough to actually finish the game, I tend to think about phillosophy a LOT, but like I said "I'm not smart enough."
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little bit late to the party, i know but i have to say this is the best flash game i have played in a while, nice job dev!
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No Nietze though :( I even expected the mast guy to be him before I started arguing him.
Still, loved the plot twist in the end :)
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Before even finishing the argument with Hobbles, I kept getting the idea that his basic flow was the way he saw the natural state. Long story short, while his is partly right, I keep thinking that big part of the basic morality is in our basic inticts. Hell, you can even see kinds of morality to many mamals.
So what if the answer to all this is that the basic morality lives in our basic inticts? In the entire discussion with him we simply assumed that our basic inticts have nothing to do with anything other than (desperate) survival, but that's not nesseserily true.
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I first completed this game in 2013 and have played through it roughly once a year since then. No matter how many times I play this game, I love it more every time.
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The structure of this game is the hardest part, you can see all the holes in logic but you can only get to them in a really indirect way, it's not intuitive
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I don't understand why it is bad to ask for clarification for some of these statements. I also am confused about the way challenges are presented, they appear to support the opponents argument so I am hesitant to even try them in case it drops my score, but I don't know how else to pick on their assumptions...?????
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I spose if the question is how we should base our morals, there's no real answer I could give atm. You can't base it yourself soley, cause hey! We're fallible, and we could be wrong. But then if we're wrong, who's standard is that? Are their morals higher than our own? Though if we're not to judge then I spose the world could operate like that, though then we'd have no standards
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Just my own little pitch on philosophy here... (haven't played through the whole game yet as a forenote)
I think on the whole, morality is a concept like time, where it doesn't really exist. It's rather a standard that we hold ourselves and others too.
Though morality itself is something society has created. Hell, that we ourselves created to give deeper meanings to our actions. To feel better about the things we do. Like a kinda sticker you get when you do something right, the more you have (the more requirements you meet to your moral standards...) the better you are, be it to yourself or those around you.
They do exist in the sense of our own standards and minds, (I know it's kinda sounding like Protagoras's argument rn, but it's not) however, it still leaves them in a grey area.
As the short version, they really exist as an idea, kind of standard.
Realizing as I write this I have a few holes and that I should be looking at this differently, but I'll get there....
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Wait hold on. Does everyone automatically learn English vocabulary and syntax in the afterlife to make it easier to talk to each other, or does everything they say just get magically translated to the person that the person is talking to if they don't speak the same language? The latter would make more sense, because who's to decide which language everyone should speak to each other in and also language is always changing, but if that's the case how can Kant still randomly speak in German, if, given that the latter explanation is correct, he already is speaking in German and we're just hearing it in English?
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This game seems awesome, but the first music with it's left-right sound wobbling is really distracting if you're using headphones
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this is not a spoiler its just part of chapter two where they say that the orginol sociacrats whent missing if you think about it abirtart the demon dude doesnt seem like an all knowing god of the knoldage dimention so i wonder is he socicrates
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I really like this game; it's clever, to the point, and it is based off of the Phoenix Wright series. My only problem is in the difficulty of the game. The difficulty doesn't come from the debates themselves, but in predicting the next train of thought Socrates will follow in a conversation.
Because he's not accustomed to debate like many of the players are, I have to go out of my way to point out things that seem redundant such as Hobbes' natural state for mankind referring to what humans would be like without morality.
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The one time you are arguing against somebody whose face is a literal skull, "your face is ugly" is taken off the list of protests. NONSENSE!