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You know, this would be infinitely easier if they came to the realization that they cant be right because they havent gotten a wish...
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NONSENSE!!! How can the creator of this game possibly know anything about morality, or what these great philosophers would say in the afterlife, if there is an afterlife at all?
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one of the best games ive ever played here !!! i LOVED IT . very interesting , makes my brain works the way i like it the most , brings culture up and is a good challenges to logical debating .... i would be TREMENDDUSLY HAPPY if you were to make another one!!!! 5/5 and favorited without doubts
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Good game, though there were a few points like at the very end where I felt that I knew what was flawed without the clarifications, and as such I felt no need to ask for them, which made it quite frustrating at some points.
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So, who is the real arbiter? Friedrich Nietzsche or Socrates?
Maybe, Friedrich Nietzsche is the 1st and Socrates is the 2nd?
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That was wonderful, and I can agree with the main character's view in its currently stated form.
I hope to see more games of this type in the future, (of similar or better quality hopefully).
Truly an amazing experience. Thank you.
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Hobbes: "The things we desire -- food, water, and shelter, for example -- they are not unlimited in quality."
This is catagorically false. We can build shelter, grow food, and as for water. We have more water on this planet by mass than all of the humans combined, it's simply a matter of building better infrastructure to make the water drinkable. Plus water is 100% reusable (once cleaned). Finally, we can MAKE water, it's actually pretty darn easy to create more resources than all of Mankind needs
Only energy could be considered limited, and that's not going to be a problem once we get close to the heat death of the universe, (which, depending on your views of religion, might not even happen before the book of Revelations comes to pass. )
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Me: First actual debate, here we go!
Eutophryto: Mankind is flawed.
Me: Wait, if mankind is flawed, and he's a man, wouldn't that mean he's flawed, and therefore his assumptions cannot be trusted?
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Does anyone else understand that last line at ending? see you in another couple of dozen years... So basically Socrates does get recognised as a philosopher by the universe and thus has a place in the intelligible realm. And of course he dies(no doubt thanks to deer) after a while and returns to take arbiter role
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Wow...The fact that reading Socratic dialogues...helped me to play a flash game...this just seems SO wrong for some reason.
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Though I agree that the social contract is not the source of morality, it does adequately account for holding the leader accountable. The social contract stretches both ways, and while the leader holds individuals accountable, the collective rabble also holds sufficient power to overthrow the leader in case of abuse of power.
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Socrates' argument against Hobbes is flawed. Though mankind is by nature selfish, he is prevented from breaking the social contract by the fear of retribution from the whole. It is why alliances are more stable the more members they are constituted of.
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I disagree that being against free speech must be immoral by nature. There may very well be legitimate reasons for some to find it objectionable.
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Replayed this game after three years with proper language skills and philosophical understanding. :) It makes so much more sense now (I was 15 at that time)
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I bet Billy would be laughing about what "happened" to us in that accident (Socrates: We live in New York, there's NO way a deer could give us problems...)
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Actually I agree more with the some of the philosophers he debate than Socreates' criticisms of their views: Namely the second guywho states Morality is subjective to the individuals and the Hobbles guy. In fact, I am a firm believer that morality doesn't exist: it is a fantasy conjured by the human mind. However, surprisingly, the Arbiter, who is supposed to be the "final boss", was the easiest one, even easier than the first "God guy". OK, maybe it was still harder than Billy's deer repellent, but his was the only one the ended up being somewhat correct, but still, the repellent probably wouldn't stop Socrates from hitting the deer, since he wasn't even paying attention.
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Meanwhile Ari fails her other exams because she missed school. The teachers wouldn't accept "My and my dad died and dead philosophers helped us discover the nature of morality but now we're back"