You know as well as I do what you said and that it's been out of the chatlog for days. I don't record evidence when I ban people. It's not really necessary.
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Q, you think they KILLED YOUR GRANDFATHER. I think that's not the most they can do. Why are you still even in the state if you think they did it?
Because they already tried to kill me with the same sort of stuff and it didn't work. I seem to actually have pretty much become tolerant to it and have found other things that counteract it. So now I'm tracking down those responsible.
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Holy2334, your post was fantastic, it resumes the situation very well:
http://www.kongregate.com/forums/1-kongregate/topics/451020-controversial-game
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6. Do not slander me or the game.
"Please note: denying the existence of the organization stalking me/calling me crazy for talking about it is slanderous and will result in your ban."
Wow.
Yes, I agree it's quite shocking I actually had to write such a thing to get people to obey it. I wrote it in chat beforehand and everyone who got banned clearly saw it (usually they said something snarky first like "watch me get banned"). Then they got banned. They knew what they were doing.
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Kirarninja... Just admit the truth, say that you are a former ninja trained to kill with Walnuts, that you work now for an evil agency called "The Stalkers" and that you plan to destroy Q private life because he had sex with your wives and he has such amazing sexual skills that he actually made your wives go mad... Tell the Truth, Kiran
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For the record, I started 'country crashing' because you said stalkers edited the stats to make the game too easy and boring. Now you're saying the stalkers edited stats to make the country crash. And then you proceeded to edit the stats yourself. Conclusion: any perceived victory achieved by the players is false, because stalkers did it, and any red stats or country crashing is also false because stalkers did it. It's a wonder people still play this game at all, considering none of the stats are legitimate at this point.
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Say whatever lies you want, there are no stalkers, just your own delusions, and you owe me money. I'm not sure how you managed to get your hands on a computer in your looney bin, but however you did, it's time for you to grow up and actually act like a responsible adult. If you're going to ban us for no real reason, at least don't steal our money. You owe me Kreds, and you owe the users you banned for no reason an apology. EVERYONE knew that Furoa's banning was complete nonsense.
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"Untying your shoelaces" refers to petty things such as breaking into your home to mess with the server and tapping on your windows at night. And seriously, this is not a triple A game, it's a text based game with some depth and multiplayer. It is impressive, but take a gander at a browser game website or the steam free section. You could pay a guy to make a better game. Also you "Pulled a Q"(tm) and dodged my first question, with a rant about the second one.
No, you actually couldn't. You're disregarding the writing of the game, which pretty much makes the game. Not to mention how my sense of humor and the writing weaves into many of the game mechanics in order to make a political simulator something interesting and fun that people actually want to play. How many other successful MMO Congress games do you see? How many period, actually? Oh, none? Yeah, that's because it's not exactly easy to pull off. Then you can get into the technical aspect of having a second game that's completely different that interacts with this one (The Lobby), which is something literally one company ever has done before, and they were pretty much doing it concurrently with my plans.
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What a stalker would say:
Why you gotta be so rude? Don't you know I'm human, too? Why you gotta be so rude? I'm gonna crash the game anyway. Crash that game, crash the game anyway. Crash the game, no matter what you say. Crash that game, and you'll never ban me. Why you gotta be so.... ruude?
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I defy you to find the instance where I denied the stalkers exist, Q. The exact incriminating phrase, if you would. And no, the screenshot 12q posted is not evidence, since you've contradicted yourself about it in the comments and in the game chat. And if you can't come up with it, I'll be forced to conclude that you're full of it.
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so now you're saying my video is fake... i would include the inspect element page but that would show my session key, is there anything you would suggest i do to prove its legitimacy?
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Oh, and pretty sure having a 'written' rule posted in a transient medium such as global (which disappeared very very quickly) hardly counts. Everything I have said about you has either been true, or a reasonable conclusion to make based on the facts available to me, despite your constant accusations of lying. On the other hand, you've lied, slandered, contradicted yourself in comments, made logical errors in your sob stories, and denied all of these activities. Oh, and changed the subject/shifted blame every time anyone calls you out on it. Not all bugs are related to the stalkers, not all dissent comes from the stalkers, and actions after banning cannot be used to justify a ban.
Oh, so you admit you saw it and deliberately did something you know would get you banned? Ok, glad to see we've completely discredited everything you ever said. Have a wonderful day.
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This was a great game, and in concept it still is. But well... I don't believe you anymore. Simple. It's sad that a good game like this is being crashed like this- and if what you said were true, this would have gone public by long. Please, dev, if you really think that you are correct, look at your situation from an outside perspective: How would you think about anyone who acts like you?
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Oh, good, you finally rewrote the rules to justify yourself. At least there won't be any unpleasant surrprises for innocent newbies now. Pity the phrasing is still vague enough to justify banning anyone.
You pointedly said what you were doing was going to get you banned because you saw me write the rule in the first place for everyone to see. But nice attempt to lie.
My doctor doesn't think so. I had a CT scan a while back to prove there was no possible head trauma. She also works at Stanford and has multiple PhDs. I'm going to have to go with her opinion over Internet Poster "Noly", sorry to say.
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So uh, I left a while back, you probably don't remember me but I was that guy wanting to play as a giraffe and show up to Congress in a tank, the hell is happening lately? Why don't you run into the woods and hide?
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if the stalkers are real, why haven't they just stolen all of the stuff in your house or killed you yet? A year of things such as untying your shoelaces and silly ways to get to you is kinda worthless to an organization so "powerful". They could probably just hire a guy to code a similar game, advertise that and take over yours by ten fold.
Untying my shoelaces? What are you talking about? You don't even seem to have the basic facts of the situation, so I'd suggest you go read those before spouting hilariously mindless drivel. Also, no, this game is pretty much impossible to replicate. You'd need a skillset that's extremely fucking rare coupled with not giving much of a shit about profitability.
Why would I bother? You're talking about an organization whose scariest tactic is poisoning me with an allergy med and tapping on my windows at night. The funny part is that they're actually terrified of me, which is why they're trying to scare me away.
lolz those same top 5 comments are from people who don't play the game. There are also 500 weekly active users. So up to 1% of the playerbase is angry? Yeah, game ruined, guys. Everybody pack it up. lolz.
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'Why in the world do people think they can flagrantly ignore printed rules with a big ****ing warning on top saying you will be banned without warning for violating them?' Q, you have already banned people for unwritten rules; I'm not even going to point out that you bent said unwritten rule to justify my banning. People were here, they remember what happened, and no matter how you try and spin that screenshot and contradict yourself on it, we know it was unjustified. That's why Global is still full of arguments. That's why you silenced Kiraninja and tried to frame him as a stalker in an attempt to stem the flow. That's why you're under heavy fire in the comments. But go ahead, continue pretending like you're the only person who's right and sane here, you fraudulent, duplicitous excuse for a game developer. At least have the decency to keep your story consistent, instead of spinning another lie whenever we call you out on it.
Unwritten? No... I wrote it, you saw it, you ignored it, you got banned. And nobody tried to frame kiraninja. I modified the code to make him chat an obviously forced and humorous message, and he responded by claiming there was a nonexistent bug in the game to avoid chatting what he was going to be forced to. Which he could have only known about by being informed of what I had written in the code about 5 minutes prior. That's not "framing".
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I might sound crazy, but if someone told me that some group is stalking them and doing crazy stuff to their online game, that I'm inclined to believe them, partly "why would someone joke about that", partly not-horrible manners. He's PROBABLY trying to make good out of a bad situation, and if you really can't believe it, then at least have fun with the idea. This 'war' is just ridiculous. I don't want to be mean about it, but I'm having trouble seeing what everyone is getting their pants in-a-twist about
Nobody has their pants in a twist. That's the fact you're missing. All the complainers are my stalkers and sadass forum dwellers who downrate games for being better than anything they could ever produce.
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I encourage any new players to leave this game immediately. The game has been ruined at this point, with all the banning, kreds will be stolen, and you will be verbally harassed.
Please upvote this comment so that newcomers can see it.
No kreds have been stolen, there's just a few sad-ass players that think spending a couple bucks and playing this game for years entitles them to flagrantly break the rules and not get banned.
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If you're going to ban me for no real reason, at least refund my kreds. I don't see why I should be cheated out of money just because you're schizo.
looooool, you flagrantly broke a rule and got banned for it. You don't get your money back in such an instance, and it would be ridiculous to expect such a thing. MMOs do not refund people who get banned. That happens literally never.
Don't worry about the downvotes: it's just my stalkers trying really hard to discredit me despite the fact that they have nobody but flagrant rule-breakers that have admitted to their activities on their side. I mean, seriously: there's a pastebin going around that they've all confirmed the validity of where they talk about trying to DDOS the game (actually just DOS, but these people aren't exactly super bright).
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Guys... this is serious... I think Delos is playing us all... I think all this is a bluff.... seriously... Poisoned Walnuts, Van with Wifi and Poisoned Grandfather... thats way too much.. I think he is, indeed, messing around with us...
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I'm the guy who asked you to kill me so I could reroll. I recall praising you and the game. Do you think everyone is suddenly going crazy for absolutely no reason at all? Do you honestly believe that there is nothing wrong with you?
lol, you were the guy that got banned for hate speech? Why in the world do people think they can flagrantly ignore printed rules with a big fucking warning on top saying you will be banned without warning for violating them? The strange part is that many, many people have no problem understanding these rules.
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No game should ever have to suffer from poor administration. A single person in charge of handling a political simulator with over 400,000 plays is not a remotely responsible choice. Especially considering how much a failure the current one is.
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THIS GAME IS SUFFERING FROM A SEVERE CASE OF HORRIBLE ADMINISTRATION. YOUR HARD WORK WILL BE FORFEIT AND YOU WILL GET BANNED FOR "HATESPEECH".
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Abolish All Laws : Not A Stalker
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FISSION MAILED
--> No abilities have ever been played on that. How??
And please don't tell me this is a nonexistent bug. Bug or not, whatever it is, I saw it happen and you can't deny it.
Yes, the people stalking me have access to the server via a keylogger on my personal devices. If I remove them, people break in and reinstall them. This has been well-known for a long time. Please read the announcements at a bare minimum.
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Q, do you have someone you trust that you can talk to about the stalkers? This situation is more than anyone can handle on their own.
Oh I try. People try to deny they know what I'm talking about for fear of admitting it and having the same things happen to them, but I've gotten more than a few of them to break down and mostly stop the charade by pointing out the various logical inconsistencies in their lies.
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Yes, because only sane people carry around poisoned walnuts in an aspirin container. If someone is really stalking you, by all means, go to the proper authorities.
Yeah, the authorities mysteriously misplace any evidence I give them. Well, the local authorities, anyway. There's also a strange van emitting wifi signals hanging around my place constantly. When I brought it to the attention of the local police: they first tried to convince me there was nothing possibly wrong and it was all normal. As I presented further evidence of the obvious abnormality of its presence and the wifi signals: the cop I was talking to stopped the charade and told me: "We know whose van it is. We can't tell you that. But it's supposed to be there." Sounds pretty legit, right?
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Whoever the real stalkers are, they're probably jizzing their pants now they've managed to do stuff to mislead Q and his most loyal fans in an all out conflict against each other. Now all they need to do is sit back and watch as Q's world burns, all without them needing to lay a further finger.
Stalkers, if you or yous are reading this. I think you or yous are (a) twisted, terrible (group of) people for going so far as meddling in Q's life like this.
My world burns? There's a couple people who openly talked about trying to hack/damage the game who got banned. There is no actual controversy and the game is completely fine.
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Are the stalkers even relevant to the game itself, Q? Sure, they screw with it, but you could just call the FBI. Get some police protection, protective custody, etc, and put an end to it. Why aren't you doing any of these things? No offense, but it just seems a bit odd that you haven't done that already if you've almost been poisoned. Another thing, why are the stalkers even doing this in the first place? Did you do something? I mean no offense by any of these questions.
I've done all of these things. The local police are completely in bed with the people stalking me and won't do anything. The FBI is doing something, but I'm not exactly involved in the investigation.
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Basically what happened to this game is: People repoted bugs and their existence was denied by the developer. Why have beta testers if you don't trust their opinion?
No... lots of people reported bugs that didn't actually exist. It turned out many of them were deliberately trying to damage the game either of their own accord or by working with the people stalking me, and they got banned for it. The game also isn't in beta.
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Also I never defended kiran in any way here. I love the guy to bits, but I don't even know what you guys are talking about in here. Just looks like text walls that I'm unwilling to read. So, I'm glad I proved you right?
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Well I mean, ok I guess. Ya got me, I've spent 4 years building badges on an account just so that you'd never suspect that I hack a silly flash game. Darn. /sarcasm
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Delos... We are very concerned... Why did you have poisoned Walnuts on your desk?? Why did they stole them from you?? Please, tell us...
Obviously they were stolen to stop me from having them analyzed at a lab. Which was fairly pointless because I have many better things to have tested at this point.
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Even before this debacle, Q was the bad guy.
Think about it. He rigs America into a five way free-for-all filled with corrupt politicians for his own entertainment. Giving each side a win condition that ranges from "Bad Idea" to "End of America". Then he brings eldritch terrors into the mix, if you look at his stats you can see a Mark of Cthulhu, indicating that he is carrying out the will of the great old ones.
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@KillerOfU33 you don't need HTML editing skills to make a pastebin, you could just write shit and nobody can prove it
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God, what happened to this game? It use to be so simple: filibuster a bill here, assassinate an opponent there. But now everything has gone to hell. Now it is "stalkers" and "hacking." i am starting to wonder if any of these stalkers are actually real.
Well, explain who took two poisoned walnuts out of an aspirin container on my desk at work. If you can do that, then you get to express the opinion that the people stalking me may not be real. Otherwise, you get banned for doing so because it's slanderous and frankly pretty fucking rude to do so.
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Wait, when did I become a stalker? I was legitimately curious o.o I said that you don't have to show it if you don't want to. I'm just a bystander. All I know is that the stalker finger is being pointed and I'm hearing a lot of people complain
No, it's just you and a couple of your stalker friends. As you can see from the post above yours, it's pretty fucking clear you don't have the game's best interests at heart and lie a lot.
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Kiraninja... That proofs nothing... You are using Stalkers Software... Once again, you show everybody how right I am...
His friends routinely spread information about how to use browser dev tools to modify the game interface and spoof network requests. Screenshots of the code kind of trump his video.
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Q... could you please tell us more about that story? Did someone stole your poisoned Walnuts??? (as can be read in http://www.kongregate.com/forums/1-kongregate/topics/451020-controversial-game)