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The Peter Principle at work in video games. First, they broke the system with the inclusion of extreme RNG cards like Miracle, then they come back years later and ruin the spaghetti code. Does money exist to fix it? Almost certainly not.
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KingdomDefender you only seem to do the math on people who BUY packs, what about people who dont put any money at all in packs. I dont and since the new upgrades I more or less only gets common picks, when I choose an Oak Pack, a few Uncommon an once in a blue moon I get something else. It is like the odds for Oak packs suddenly are, 90% commen, 9% uncommen 1% the rest. This is maybe rough, but this is the experience and this was defently not the numbers before. I am much more likely to get a commen selection now than before the change. It is not fun.
P.s. About the subject of maxing the cards. It take longer to max all cards, but it goes much faster to max out those few you use in your deck. Lets be honest, everyone have favorit cards, tactic or maybe some cards are to expensive compared to there effect other to cheap and need to be nerf. Either less effect or higher cost.
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That's exactly what I'm saying though. You max a single rare faster now than you could get the equivelant amount of rare picks TOTAL before. As in you get 20k ingots faster now than you got 20 rare picks total from packs before. And those 20 rare picks from before wouldn't even be on the same card. It's pretty much twice as fast as before for the same amount of total progression in terms of games played, if you play anything higher than journeyman while buying oak packs. If you play journeyman and buy other packs or play master or grandmaster and buy silver or gold packs then you are better off than before.
Though I should point out that I didn't do the math for silver packs and the master difficulty specifically. Only JM/GM and oak/gold, but I assume it's somewhat of a middle ground between JM/oak and GM/gold. Especially since JM/gold or GM/oak are both better than before.
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KingdomDefender: yeah that is for sure, but I don't know if the "max all cards" plan now require more or less time, for sure the single rare is maxed faster than before, not sure about the time of maxin all of them, would have to do some maths
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Also I'd like to say that the progress for upgrading rares atleast is faster than before in every case except for playing JM and buying oak packs, where it's exactly as slow as before. And this isn't counting averages or anything for the new system, this is if you get only the lowest possible rarity from a pack in the new system, and you'll still be faster or equally fast to getting average luck in the old system. Additionaly, by this I mean that you get a full upgrade to one rare faster than you got 20 rare picks total before this update.
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To PeterCharles: IMO force new player to play each hero (instead of lvl-up via packs) to get them up is a good feature. The new player game experience now may be unpleasant that the gap between their expectation for new heroes and how they play them may induce abandoning the game at all.
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I love that this game is being updated again, but it has become absolutely unplayable now. I know that Chrome and Flash don't mix well together, but each new update locks me out of one feature after another. I can't even get past the "Current News" screen since the button will not load.
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"The current system will start giving players exp for packs as soon as they the common/uncommon cards"
As soon as they *unlock* the common/uncommon
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The only criticism left would be that the shop is now "boring." Opening packs before, when getting commons, uncommons, and eventually scarce/rare, was never an exciting experience. You did it for the progress, which is now much more smooth. Rather than ugprade each card uniformly in the old system, spending gold until it got to the point each card in a rarity would rapidly upgrade in a similar timeframe, you can get a constant progression of upgrading cards one at a time. As to the points below, to truly say whether the new system is faster or slower requires statistics I don't have. However, that is for getting a full collection. With the new system, upgrading the decks you want to play is undoubtedly faster. Being able to ignore unused cards and upgrade what you play in your deck will make new players reach -1/-2 discount on cards much faster
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Can the people criticizing the new monetary system please prove to me they can count to 10? StandardPlay says it's bad for new players, and brings up lowered experience gain. Exp was only gained previously after a card was completely maxed. If a player has common/uncommon maxed, they are not new. The current system will start giving players exp for packs as soon as they the common/uncommon cards and get them again. This is an improvement, not only for new players, but also for long-term ones, as it makes getting level 28 on both their main character and others of the same faction much easier. The ability to make wrong decisions has not been increased; just as players can now use their ingots to upgrade bad cards, they could have chosen bad cards while opening packs before. 1/2
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Multiplayer Sypopaath: Win 25 multiplayer games in a row. 11.111 silver reward. Nice joke. Much lughter. So fun. Very wow.
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Want to add me to the list of your negs? Fan? I (used to) rave about this game on other sites - my 3 accts combined would put me in top 75 for alltime gm wins. But this new economy - blechh. Would hate to be a new user now (and game DOES die without new users). Shop is now boring; the lowered experience gains for common/uncommon are very hurtful; too easy to make wrong and unrectifiable decisions regarding card upgrades. Two thumbs down.
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take the below 4 comments with a grain of salt. Peter, pereirak, and EW have previously posted comments about how much they hate WoO and now claim to be "fans" to hate on the progression update
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wow, no updates in forever, and then they just show up outta nowhere with a completely greed-driven change. Nice work, a-holes. Thanks for caring about your fans/supporters. Class act.
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Untill to day, I used to do my quests and thus in less than a month had almost maxed all the commen classes and was started to get uncommen card who were getting closed to it. But now I can max anything, unless I buy my way out of it.
Of course this is day 1 and maybe they can change things, but else I foresee that I stop playing this game again. Because if the only reason this game is open, is that we drop alot of money into the game.
I dont mind paying for a good game, of course it cost money to develope a game. Also if they make a new extra map/adventure or what you will call it, you can charge a bit extra for that. But the game it self should be a 1 time pay.
I like to play Civilization, they made alot of expantions to it. I can pick and choose which I want to buy and thus play. I dont have to buy them all. That is a nice feature. Actually I dont even have to buy any of the expanstions, I can just play the basic game. This is how the game should be.
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The "easiest" way to get ingots is from packs. As someone who hasn't spent money and has only uncommons maxed, this will improve how fast I progress, ebucklin
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The new economy changes make this game even more pay to win. we can only use ingots to upgrade and the easiest way is to buy them. surprise! I love this game but at least before it was a a long grind that I could see an end to. now though... this will take forever... I dont see a reason for the change aside from to encourage pay to win.
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For people who don't know, you can Shift+Click to use all of a resource. So to attack with all you can, Shift+Click on an enemy. You can also adjust the game board and camera by holding "C" and either dragging with the mouse or scrolling the scroll wheel (useful for zooming in/out)
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@DeathNote26 You wouldn't believe how many players I face that do not make use of the coin pocket. Also, the devs went idle for a couple years, so a ton of people left. It takes a long time to get matched into a game now compared to then, and I often face the same person (like valveman).
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@DeathNote26 I don't think enough people are playing at the moment for that. You can get a leg up if you do the "How to Play" missions, which describe why keeping a coin in your "pocket" is a huge benefit when it comes to drawing.
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New update seems to make you unable to select minions and cards in your hand after buying a card. Hovering over to the shop and back seems to fix it though
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If elements can stay in the top 5 ccgs on kong for 8 years running despite not getting any updates since before WoO even came out, I think we could totally get this gem up there and breathe some life back into the community.
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Tried it on a few setups, and the new update just made the game really glitchy. Click doesn't always work, just loses card focus instead.
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Some patches were pushed last night aiming to fix the graphical issues experienced by some players, apparently a video card problem. If anybody is still experiencing these issues after a game refresh, keep submitting logs to support@warofomens.com or to the #bug-reports channel in the Discord, with as much detail as possible about your OS, browser, and hardware! :)
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I would like to give the game a high rating, but as long as the game still have problem, after 5-10 rounds. I cant give high rating. It really is a shame, since I really like it.
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collegestuff, i'm having the same issue, but it usually only happens to me once every couple of turns. Are you having problems more frequently than that?
Also, if the developers are reading this, is there any chance you could return to the old fonts? I genuinely cannot read the cards unless I zoom in on them
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the argoreth coin summon should be nerfed. I keep getting matches where the ai was able to spam 2-3 argoreths at the start because of epic coins. very annoying and unpredictable. It used to happen less often.
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It's worth re-iterating that this game, combining all its facets and currencies, is probably the fairest free to play versus paid reward system I've seen to date, in any genre.
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Is there a way to mass-purchase packs? I have >15k silver stocked up, and am not looking forward to putting an hour into opening basic packs :/
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Thank you for the update! Is there anyway to toggle to the old music? The new music is interesting but a bit exciting for my tastes. Also, is anyone else having problems with selecting cards? I have to click the same card two or three times before it goes into play. I've tried on the latest versions (as of 1-16) of Firefox and Chrome.
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If you have 1-2 minutes, I'm working on solving a leveling efficiency scheme in WoO. There's a "general case" I'm already working on, but it neglects a lot of things like Quest rewards, amount of games played per week, and which game modes people prefer. If I can get a decent-sized sample of feedback, it might help solve for the average player (and for the "extreme player"). Thanks! https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/YRS3V5S
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the user data here and those in the main page http://play.warofomens.com share the same server? how to login from the main page using user data here?