Why does Kongregate ban those who request refunds? page 2

Originally posted by lberger:

As quoted by Australian Commonwealth law:

“It is unlawful for a trader to make false or misleading representations about goods or services when supplying, offering to supply or promoting goods or services. It is also unlawful to make or use false or misleading testimonials. This includes claims about the age, quality, sponsorship, approval, price or benefits of the goods or services. For instance, many scams trying to sell ‘miracle cures’ may make false representations about the benefits of their product. This is likely to breach the ACL”

It is in fact ILLEGAL for Call of Gods to promote the payments for an unjust system. Call of Gods could potentially be sued by the possible hundreds of players who have been scammed. If they are saying there is a chance of getting all of these 16 items, then the players MUST be able to GET ALL of those 16 items. The system is corrupt and is breaching online laws.

Kongregate is simply providing the people with the kreds, which the developers of Call of Gods are deciding to scam their players of. Kongregate is not responsible whatsoever for the scams performed by the designers of the MMO and should neither be responsible for the refund of the hard-earned money spent in-game of these players.

Call of Gods is guilty of online scamming by law. There are three possible events that could occur as a result:
1. The developers would have to pay the price of the scamming of hundreds of users, paying the players back either in in-game rewards or refunding the credit cards used to buy these kreds.
2. A second option is that Kongregate stops promoting Call of Gods with badges and clearly warns users of the scamming the could occur.
3. The developers would go to court for tricking 2,000,000 players into thinking that their system was a safe investment of their money.

Australian laws don’t apply to an AMERICAN site.

You know, because Australia has no jurisdiction over AMERICA!

The developers would go to court for tricking 2,000,000 players into thinking that their system was a safe investment of their money.

I laughed.

No MMO is a safe investment for your money. There are very few MMOs that allow you to be on top without rolling in cash or spending 24 hours a day on the game. Every amount cash you spend is on very limited and extremely temporary things. Every advantage you get is so limited that you only start feeling the progression after hundreds or thousands of kreds. If that’s not a scam, I don’t know what is.

Every time I see the CoG discussion come up, I think three things:

1. Americans being raised to sue, sue, sue the crap out of everyone and everything they see because they interpret a law slightly differently. The worst thing is that they win, every time.
2. People spending hordes of cash on an MMO, completely flabbergasted at the fact that their spent cash is worthless, and then go in a rage trying to get their money back. Then spend it in the next MMO.
3. One needs to start understanding what an MMO really is.

Darkruler, for once, out of all your 16,000 forum posts, I agree. There are pletny of games out there were I’ve heard even payed up to hundreds of dollars for a tiny bonus that might put them at a slight advantage point. I used to play Evony, where people were willing to put in up to $10,000 for a simple build. However, this is a completely different case as the people bought what they wanted and got it. This is not the case in Call of Gods.

And Caaaaaw, if you’re gonna try and insult me, please try to do a bit of research please… I’m just tired and pissed off for some reason today, so if you’re going to post at all, please, please, please, use your common sense. If you did not already know this, the Internet is global, therefore these laws apply globally, with very little variation. That quote was just from a trust worthy site, to prove I’m not talking gibberish. Do you really think if you open a site, in let’s say, Antartica, do you really think you could just put a box where the visitor puts in their credit card number and a submit button, which sends their credit card details directly to you? If you say yes to this, I could recommend a place in my town known as the Happy Fun Camp. You would get caught. And just becaude you’re in Antartica doesn’t mean shit.

I’m sorry for flaming and all, but I just feel bad for these people who have just had their money scammed. It is not at all Kongregate’s fault at all, but the developer’s price to pay.

There’s a lot of topics going on in this thread, but I just wanted to put this out here:

If you have a monetary dispute with a website or game operator of any sort, take the complaint to the company itself before requesting a charge back through your credit card.

I’ve had people lose accounts in MMORPGs that they played for 3 years (with hundreds of hours invested into their characters) due to company charge back policies. The fact is, companies like Kongregate (or virtually any game/service operator) cannot afford to deal with the issues involved in credit card charge backs. They MUST enforce a zero tolerance policy toward them. So, this goes for Kong and everywhere else — if you run into an issue where you truly believe you deserve your money back, talk to the website, not the credit card company.

Furthermore: NEVER give money to a site that you do not trust. If you don’t trust Kongregate, don’t give them your money. If you do trust Kongregate, then when something goes wrong, you will need to trust them to resolve it.

^ This. And does anyone know if there has been a reply from the Call of Gods developer..?

Darkruler, for once, out of all your 16,000 forum posts, I agree.

My goal is to make as little people as possible agree with my posts. Certainly.

However, this is a completely different case as the people bought what they wanted and got it. This is not the case in Call of Gods.

Yes and no. Most MMOs give you the option to buy a currency, and then that in-game currency allows you to do basically everything in-game. It is sneaky, low and frankly just a way to get around the law, but what this means is that you are 100% certain about what you bought. Namely, in-game currency. And the laws suddenly don’t apply any more to in-game currency, so whatever you can do with it is legally allowed.

I just feel bad for these people who have just had their money scammed

I feel bad about every person having spent money on an MMO, but I guess you already knew that.

does anyone know if there has been a reply from the Call of Gods developer..?

You should check out the forums. I haven’t checked them lately, but they did respond to several topics some time ago.

Originally posted by lberger:

As quoted by Australian Commonwealth law:

“It is unlawful for a trader to make false or misleading representations about goods or services when supplying, offering to supply or promoting goods or services. It is also unlawful to make or use false or misleading testimonials. This includes claims about the age, quality, sponsorship, approval, price or benefits of the goods or services. For instance, many scams trying to sell ‘miracle cures’ may make false representations about the benefits of their product. This is likely to breach the ACL”

It is in fact ILLEGAL for Call of Gods to promote the payments for an unjust system. Call of Gods could potentially be sued by the possible hundreds of players who have been scammed. If they are saying there is a chance of getting all of these 16 items, then the players MUST be able to GET ALL of those 16 items. The system is corrupt and is breaching online laws.

Kongregate is simply providing the people with the kreds, which the developers of Call of Gods are deciding to scam their players of. Kongregate is not responsible whatsoever for the scams performed by the designers of the MMO and should neither be responsible for the refund of the hard-earned money spent in-game of these players.

Call of Gods is guilty of online scamming by law. There are three possible events that could occur as a result:
1. The developers would have to pay the price of the scamming of hundreds of users, paying the players back either in in-game rewards or refunding the credit cards used to buy these kreds.
2. A second option is that Kongregate stops promoting Call of Gods with badges and clearly warns users of the scamming the could occur.
3. The developers would go to court for tricking 2,000,000 players into thinking that their system was a safe investment of their money.

when I heard that i was hoping the developer will be replying…. they should go to court

HTML bold the developer needs to be a man and come forward with what hes done and go to court for tricking 2,000,000 players into thinking that their system was a safe investment of their money.

Well that was a waste of two posts.

Though I am curious what the dev of CoG ended up doing to resolve this… if they did anything.

And in response to Darkruler’s 6 month old post:

There’s a reason why Americans are raised to sue everything. It’s because with any capitalist system, you need a balance between liability in court and enforceable regulations. If you have low liability in court, then you have to have stiff regulations (see Europe). If you have low regulations, then you need high liability in court. In theory that’s supposed to be America, but instead over the last 15-20 years we’ve reduced liability in court and reduced regulations too. A dangerous combination which has resulted in corporations achieving more power than they should.

So yes, Americans have been trained to sue anything that moves, but that’s how our government system is set up and most people would prefer that to the stiff regulations that European corporations face.

Originally posted by savannahlegg:

As quoted by Australian Commonwealth law:

Kongregate isn’t based in Australia. It doesn’t matter if an American breaks Australian laws when he/she is not in Australia. A country’s law only applies in the boundaries of that country. Otherwise the world would be a giant clusterfuck of every country trying to arrest everyone. Because I guarantee you that every single person has unwittingly broken at least one of millions of laws throughout every country in the world.