New Profile rolling out to everybody page 4

I just noticed something that makes me dislike this now. What happened to my artwork, sounds, and game contributions?

All the nice looking graphics and visuals have been traded in for bland statistics, Uzzbuzz.
This is user-friendly, looks better, and is less confusing.

Originally posted by HappyAlcoholic:

All the nice looking graphics and visuals have been traded in for bland statistics, Uzzbuzz.
This is user-friendly, looks better, and is less confusing.

Nice sarcasm ;-P

The art forum should go on strike. Please tell me how I can even see my artwork… :/

Originally posted by UnknownGuardian:

Originally posted by qazzaq123:

I notice my artwork + Game supports are missing/hidden. I used my kreds to donate to games to have its game image on my game supports.

http://www.kongregate.com/accounts/qazzaq123/artworks

That’s not my point, My point is that I want it displayed on my profile for all to see just like those who made sounds. We take pride in our work and would like it displayed.

This fucking reminds me of old facebook.

I dislike that some forums have posts in the feed and others don’t. I would at least like a way to change it to allow them. I like to think the people in SD put enough effort in their posts to deserve to be seen in the feed.

I signed into this alt just so I can say: Please put the artwork back on the profile; I take pride in the work I have done and it’s great to be able to share it with others. We may have been Kongregate in the past, but it seems as if we are going away from that now. :(

(I realize you are working on this, and if you can get this stuff into the profile eventually, that would be great :)

Now that I have the new profile, I like it even more—the only thing I can add is to listen to everyone who wants the artwork back, as I see absolutely no reason why it should be removed.

Argh… like I said nobody cares when somebody posts on a forum
how many Followers somebody has, how many people the guy is following
how many games they’ve commented on, how many badges they’ve achieved, how many games they have favorited
and very few people actually care what level somebody or how many forum posts they have…

The activity feed looks ugly…
how come the community of Kongregate don’t have a say in this?
Your assuming we all love it and those who don’t will get used to it…
well this is a major change and I don’t think I’m going to get used to it for ages.
Luckily I took a screenshot of the old days, the old profile.

And you have to click “More About Me” to actually read the about of somebody, which opens in an ugly white pop-up square.
It seems Kongregate has completely forgotten about it’s art and music contributers
now the Art and Sounds on Kongregate will be even more dead and unheard of.

I honestly have to say I absolutely hate this
and the way you pretend that the users of Kong have a say in this disgusts me.
Even when the majority of your loyal regulars say they dislike it
you guess that the regulars are just a minority and all the newcomers and guests will love the new look…

I hate it.
this has got to be your worst update yet.
I’m sorry Kongregate

This is ridiculous.

Not the update itself, although the feed is invasive, obtrusive, and thoroughly idiotic; rather, I’m referring to the mentality behind the change. It doesn’t seem there was actually any research done as to how or whether this would benefit the Kongregate user base (at least, I never saw any survey, poll, or the like), or even Kongregate itself. The rationale behind the move, as far as I can tell, was “Facebook is popular, we should be more like that.”

Kongregate is not Facebook. Unlike a lot of people on here, I don’t have any personal issues with Facebook, but Kongregate serves a fundamentally different function. And this update sacrifices elements of the profile that speak to the actual purpose of Kongregate—you know, games and gaming—in favor of an unfocused monstrosity of a feed and a level number that can be seen from space.

I certainly can’t speak for the rest of the Kong community (but then, neither can Kongregate, since there was never an effort to determine just what the much vaunted silent majority actually wants), but I’d personally view the new profile as an improvement if the feed was made optional and the elements of the previous profile style (21 most recent badges, non-truncated about user, immediately visible games/art/favorites/awards, shouts) were added to the new “stats” look. But regardless of whatever fixes are ultimately made with regard to the new profile, I hope that the community is considered the next time major changes are implemented.

Originally posted by emily_greer:

Hey guys,

As most of you know over the last few weeks we’ve been testing a new version of the profile with the goal of improving and increasing the social behavior on Kongregate. While many of you are extremely active there’s a silent majority who don’t take advantage of some of the best parts of Kongregate.

We’ve been gathering data from the test to figure out if it is an improvement worth rolling out to everybody and the answer has been a resounding and quite conclusive yes. We’ve seen lifts of between 20 and 30% in all the social behavior related to the profile (following other users, leaving shouts, commenting on shouts, etc.) For statsheads the lifts were seen in both new and existing players and were statistically significant with a 99.9% confidence level.

Just because we’re ending the split test, though, doesn’t mean we’re done with working on the new profile. We will continue to make adjustments and do further testing based on your feedback, such as hopefully allowing more personalization as to what posts to your news feed. We’re not going to be able to make every adjustment requested, sometimes because of technical issues, sometimes because we have to balance the needs of different types of users. But we’ll continue to listen and do our best.

I’m a pure mathematics major, and a Physics major, and statistics is my very foundation — and I’m here to call your bullshit.

Firstly, yes, you saw a 20-30% increase in social behavior related to the profile — and I do not contest this. However, I do contest your experiment in that you did not take into account what proportion of users used these new utilities out of rage. Example: Users A and B both dislike the update, and got the new profile design. They talk about it in chat, expressing mutual disdain, and add each other as friends. They used the features because they shared a common hatred of the new profile design. This is analogous to the Hawthorne Effect.

An extension to this example is that users were discussing the new update, checked out the update together, and enjoyed a mutual discussion and became friends. However, this is a direct result of the shock value of the update. Now, sure you can say you took this into account – but until you reveal these statistics, blow it out your ass, otherwise it’s hollow words.

The new players behavior could very easily have been influenced by elder players in the chat rooms discussing the new profile, thus encouraging them to poke around more. Once again, the Hawthorne Effect. This entire “experiment” just smacks of experimental bias, and distortion of data.

I’m well aware you said you took into account the shock value, hence three weeks of testing, however, you are under the impression that all experienced users here log on daily. Maybe it’s true, maybe it’s not. Either provide the statistics or lose the hollow words. I want to see how this study was conducted, otherwise your statistical significance is entirely meaningless! What, we’re just supposed to take your word for it that you didn’t fudge the data, mess up the calculations, and didn’t miss data?

Speaking of data — as someone who studies statistics extensively, I want to know what parameters you users, what were your controlled variables, what were the confounding variables, and what you excluded and included. And, most importantly, what is the statistical significance with respect to? You cannot just drop a 99.9% confidence interval without a reference. 99.9% confidence with respect to what? With respect to what variegating parameters?

You’re not done working on the new profile – so here’s what you do. Either give a poll, or give an option for players to revert to the old skin. This will give you a sense of how the userbase actually feels about the update. Using this data, you can cross reference it with your “experiment” and do one of two things: 1) solidify the results, thus shutting up the naysayers for good. 2) rebuke your misconception, overturn your “study” and change things for the better – to how they were! In short, you cannot lose by doing this cross referential study.

Once again – I study statistics extensively, require the statistical significance for my endeavors in academia, and this “analysis” smacks of bullshit. Lay out your parameters, emily. I’m calling you out – PROVE IT!

there’s a silent majority who don’t take advantage of some of the best parts of Kongregate.

Excuse me? Now, I may be stupid and missing the point, but I can swear on my registration that the best part of Kongregate was, always has been, and SHOULD be the games, not how people socialize. Pick one, is Kongregate a social site with gaming on the side (like Zuckerbook), or a gaming site with some socializing (“unique”)? This quote reveals everything you need to know about the future of Kongregate.

My opinion is simple: The old profiles looked horrendous. I see nothing wrong with the new ones, as soon as they add a link to the user’s art and such. So, the new ones are fine with me.

Wah, I’m an active Kongregate user and I hate change. Wah.

Get used to change, everyone. The new profile is not that bad.

I can not get my head around this. The new profile is just awful….and it just doesn’t seem possible to engage the admins to discuss it. Talk about changes to the new design is madness, I go through the new design one part at a time and, with the exception of the larger avatars, the changes I want to make are putting everything back to the old profile.

The new profile DOES NOT WORK. About me doesn’t display properly (fuck that clicking and scrolling and clicking some more just to read the about me….the prime reason for having public profiles at all) the badged section is moved, shrank, and reorganised so it can’t be used, the games section is shrank, games favourited is shrank, levels submitted GONE, art submitted GONE, friends shrank, fans hidden, music GONE, shouts GONE (and the feed that replaces it simply doesn’t work, and is uncustomisable to the point of uselessness even if it did).

The feed section & the last activity displays information I did NOT agree to share, forcing my profile into (it seems permenant) private mode.

That is everything. Apart from the avatar LITERALLY (and I don’t mean figuratively, I mean literally, literally literally) EVERY SINGLE PART OF THE PROFILE IS WORSE OR JUST GONE

This is so damn frustrating.

In my opinion, the new profile look is too crowded. I like the big avatar but that’s it.

People follow more often now because the follower count is in big print on your profile.
Of course more people are using the friends/fans feature, you have made it more prominent.

People are commenting more on peoples profiles. Of course they are because you let people comment on almost everything a person does now.

This is simply a case of Kongregate using empty stats to prove a point so it favors them, when the same stats can easily disprove them. It is a matter of how you choose to interpret them. They have no real proof that the “silent majority” supports this update.

One thing.

Why the items in award section are in chronological order?
They should be sorted in reverse chronological order.

Ambitious: as a developer you should keep in mind that with the new design, setting your profile to private completely blocks access to it. I can’t see your games or anything else, it just shows up as a blocked profile. I also set mine to private until I realized this, and I was forced to remain public although I think the timeline is intrusive.

Originally posted by Moshdef:

Ambitious, as a developer you should keep in mind that with the new design setting your profile to private completely blocks access to it. I can’t see your games or anything else, it just shows up as a blocked profile. I also set mine to private until I realized this.

I know, that’s part of what’s so frustrating. If my profile weren’t private you’d see my website is

I guess at least those spaces must be a bug, so one thing at least that they’ll admit they fucked up & fix.
:/

The % Done usage of your about me section is a good example of why hiding the profile part of the profile is bad…who’s gonna keep checking to see if they’ve changed when they come to…..well, I can’t think of why I’d visit someones profile any more. Shouts feature wasn’t perfect, but it’s all gonna be PMs for me now….

Oh OK, I wasn’t sure if you were aware or not. When I first set my profile to private, I had no idea that it was completely blocking people until a fan told me, so I just wanted to make sure you knew. Also, as I’m sure is the case with you, I have never even considered setting my profile to private until the Facebook Kongregate Timeline.

Since I’m thinking about it, my ideal profile would be based off of this but very different.

It would show the whole about me, with the shouts (not activity feed) under that. The side bar with the friends followers and badges and stuff would remain the same. The level section and overall stats section would be part of the side bar, and the most recent 21 badges section would still be there.

I don’t like how it says that I am “now the proud owner of x badge.” I think that sounds cheesy. I think it should say “earned x badge.”

Originally posted by uzzbuzz:

I just noticed something that makes me dislike this now. What happened to my artwork, sounds, and game contributions?

Yes I would like them back, please….

true would like them back also.