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Unethical if the GM of a game:

1) Creates events where player participation is key to winning, then enters all the offline players via link/login of the league/alliance/guild/family that he/she is a member of

2) develops a test account with unlimited resources, then uses said account to take part in pvp group activities, where defeating opponents results in them losing resources and stunts their forward progress within the game itself.

3) Forms cliques with players and engages in suggestive chats in the world chat, spamming that arena with hidden as well as open sexual references

4) Curses players in world chat when they refer to having reported the GM to the developer

5) Tells players that this is how things are and if they don’t like it, they can leave the game

6) Victimizes players that openly oppose, by not rewarding prizes to events. Then insisting prizes were given. The players cannot prove the rewards were not received.

Is it just me and all of the above is acceptable? I’m ‘old’ to playing the game I do on Kong, but i’m new to online gaming, only played this and one other….. I really need some impartial opinions on this, because when the topics were raised ingame, I was made to feel like a troublemaker.

I will value all opinions to this.

Best regards
Andromedia

 
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The website moderation cannot really do much about things that are happening in a game. However, I do agree that this behavior is unprofessional for a moderator. Have you tried contacting the person in charge of the game (main moderator, developer, etc.) about the moderator’s behavior? If the person is driving people away from the game, they should take this issue seriously.

 
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Yes I have ad nauseum and have received no reply from the dev, others have reported the GM as well to no avail. I even bothered zShadow and TrickyRodent time and again. Their hands are tied as only the developer can take action, I guess the only course of action is to throw away all the time and money spent on the account and find something else to occupy our down time. I’m glad I’m not crazy to be bothered by this… based on the reactions of some other players, I was really starting to wonder.

Yes people are leaving…. there are now approx. 30 people in the game. This time last year (before we got an active GM) there were over 100. Many, many have left since, I just found it ridiculous that 20 people should leave because of 1

 
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Although the game is on Kongregate, the administration can’t really force developers to adopt a certain code of conduct when it comes to service. I imagine the issue is that the developers just stopped going to the website after a while. It happened for many MMOs uploaded on Kongregate. At first, developers are focusing on it, trying to make their players happy but, as time passes, the game is forgotten. Features aren’t updated anymore and the people responsible for the service aren’t as active as before.

 
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I’d say based on what you said, you’re in the right.

But looking at the game this seems to be about… ugh. Maybe this is the god of online gaming trying to hint you in the direction of a better made and managed game.

 
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Yes you’re right of course… I suppose if players can get bored then the developers would too. It’s too sad really, this is a good game and some really great players have already left. First because the game was stagnant for months and the players had reached the end and now the game has opened up, new features added, 3 servers merged into 1 and it’s a ghost town. 25-30 people on at this hour and at the peak time only 66.

Thank you for taking the time to offer your insight into this matter :) much appreciated.

 
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Originally posted by NeilSenna:

I’d say based on what you said, you’re in the right.

But looking at the game this seems to be about… ugh. Maybe this is the god of online gaming trying to hint you in the direction of a better made and managed game.

LOL

 
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I’m sorry for your experience there. If the developer can’t be informed, I’d definitely recommend other games.

I’m a huge fan of Jiggmin’s games, personally. (Like PR2, War of the Web, and Luna which is coming soon)

 
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Thanks VforVendetta, I’ll start looking around and seeing what game fits me. more than ever now I won’t stay there. It’s getting out of hand, now she’s whispering other players about my account information things that arent even true. it’s really getting out of hand.

Battle][]: a month ago i asked u andro about if u had only 1 acc
[Battle][]: u answered yes i have no alt,
[Battle][]: tht’s true
[Battle][]: i got cassie and persephone banned
[Battle][]: in that moment GMxxxxxx mailed me and said u a lier u have 7 accounts xD

 
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1) Creates events where player participation is key to winning, then enters all the offline players via link/login of the league/alliance/guild/family of which he/she is a member?

Yes

2) Develops a test account with unlimited resources, then uses said account to take part in PVP group activities, where defeating opponents results in them losing resources and stunts their forward progress within the game itself?

Yes

3) Forms cliques with players and engages in suggestive chats in the world chat, spamming that arena with hidden as well as open sexual references?

No. Inappropriate, but not unethical.

4) Curses players in world chat when they refer to having reported the GM to the developer?

No. Immature, but not unethical.

5) Tells players that this is how things are and if they don’t like it, they can leave the game?

No. It’s true. If you don’t like the game, just don’t play it. The maker of the game has absolute authority about the contents of the game. If he wants to have a giant purple walrus doing the hula, and you don’t like it, that’s too damn bad for you.

6) Victimizes players that openly oppose (oppose what?) by not rewarding prizes to events, then insisting prizes were given. The players cannot prove the rewards were not received?

Yes.

I even bothered zShadow

Zshadow*

What game is this you are talking about?

 
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What game is this you are talking about?

Kongregate says she’s playing Senatry right now, so I’m assuming it is the topic of the thread. Trust me, I’m a Jedi.

 
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Tuppence worth:
1. Agree
2. The PVP bit is poor but genuinely do have to use this as a test server because the test server is dire.
3. Cliques will always be formed but innuendo is actually good banter.
4. No comment as not saw.
5. Sometimes you just have to go with it.
6. As 4.
Additional, yes something has to be done to bring more players into this game, old players back, what the answer is I have no clue.

 
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thanks all for the feedback. much appreciated. I guess I’m not too crazy after all lol.

regarding #5… to clarify, when she’s telling players ‘this is how things are’ I wasn’t referring to the game, but of her actions. If we don’t agree with things she does and comment on it, we get told we can leave if we don’t like it.

regarding #3 about the innuendo…. I was actually trying to not be too graphic. I love a good banter and engage often…. the incidences I refer to are not banter and are not things I can post here. Use your imagination, whatever you come up with is more or less what i’m speaking about. She gets the ball rolling then goes quiet while it escalates. I had to stop my 8 year old godchild from playing this. Senatry on Kongregate never had a problem with vile or disgusting content in the world chat…spammers by the thousand yes….and in those days we never had an active GM…..

 
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It sounds to me like some conspiracy by the game creator to make the playerbase leave the game so they can shut down an unprofitable game (you said you only had 20 players left).
But that’s just wild speculation, since I haven’t experienced the game you’re talking about

 
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1) Thats BS, pure and simple. I have been a member of the GM’s league since before she was there and it has never happened.

2) More BS, the GM does not participate in PVP events or any other event for that matter

3) Adults will do adult things, and sometimes it gets a little graphic but that will happen, the GM is a person too. This is a rare occurance I personally havn’t seen it in a long time. I have seen Andro do the same as recently as yesterday in WC, not blatantly graphic but certainly suggestive.

4) Anyone could see the frustration build to a point that the GM snapped. If you poke the lion with a stick, don’t be suprised if it bites. It was an isolated incedent. It was prompted by a cohort of Andro’s who interrupted a server wide quiz event in WC and when he was asked to take an SS and take it up with the GM after the event was over they continued to interrupt the event by spamming WC with accusations and complaints that the event was rigged. All after he was given the method to remedy the problem. (he was correct and it was made right) This also prompted the GM to develop a new rule for quiz events that is still followed and works very well when there is an issue.

5) it is what it is.

6) it happens on the rare occasion that people get missed, I have seen it happen with people that do not “openly oppose” the GM as well. And sometimes they didn’t earn it so didn’t get the reward. If they can prove they earned it like everyone else, they will get it.

Everyones opinions are valued but the statements you are being asked to comment on must surely be hypothetical because they are seriously exaggerated or completely false.

Boats

 
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Yeah, man. I’d try to reason with him, and if he doesn’t help I’d fuc-. Uh, report him.

 
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Originally posted by WWHNH:

1) Thats BS, pure and simple. I have been a member of the GM’s league since before she was there and it has never happened.

2) More BS, the GM does not participate in PVP events or any other event for that matter

3) Adults will do adult things, and sometimes it gets a little graphic but that will happen, the GM is a person too. This is a rare occurance I personally havn’t seen it in a long time. I have seen Andro do the same as recently as yesterday in WC, not blatantly graphic but certainly suggestive.

4) Anyone could see the frustration build to a point that the GM snapped. If you poke the lion with a stick, don’t be suprised if it bites. It was an isolated incedent. It was prompted by a cohort of Andro’s who interrupted a server wide quiz event in WC and when he was asked to take an SS and take it up with the GM after the event was over they continued to interrupt the event by spamming WC with accusations and complaints that the event was rigged. All after he was given the method to remedy the problem. (he was correct and it was made right) This also prompted the GM to develop a new rule for quiz events that is still followed and works very well when there is an issue.

5) it is what it is.

6) it happens on the rare occasion that people get missed, I have seen it happen with people that do not “openly oppose” the GM as well. And sometimes they didn’t earn it so didn’t get the reward. If they can prove they earned it like everyone else, they will get it.

Everyones opinions are valued but the statements you are being asked to comment on must surely be hypothetical because they are seriously exaggerated or completely false.

Boats

ahhhh Boats, not surprised to see your input. Considering the latest events collaborated by the GM herself, I would think you would have hesitated a smidgeon before once again calling me a liar.

2) ps love, DW (domain war) is a PVP event….just so you know ;) and
1) I caught her as ‘last poster’ on the exploits expo, yet when I selected ‘last’ there was no post from her and the last post on the thread was from Sarig or duvvel or one of the “alts”, which means she posted, realized it came up as her name….deleted the post and logged in as someone else (I did it once on lekool when I was on Coolhunk’s account and thought it was Persephone) it’s not rocket science, so oopsy….

3) Adults will do adult things is all well and good if there was an age limit on these games…there isn’t so moderators are hired to mediate the conversational content, not inflame it and I’m never graphic and often try to tone it down, or simply leave when it gets out of hand, so don’t try to defend the indefensible by throwing aspersions in my direction. I’m not a GM or staff having to hold to certain standards, which is the topic of this thread.

4) I would agree with that somewhat, but still maintain that, as a member of staff worthy of the position, you’re held to a higher form of conduct and cursing the ‘customer’ is conduct unbecoming.

6) I’ve seen it happen to others and it happened to me and on every occasion I know of it was insisted the prize was given. In my case (as an example) I was monitoring my chips… I had done a battle and had 4 chips. I mailed my (2) wins for the Legion affairs and waited, I think even you or Don had gratzed me because I got my Pluto finished one of the times. At the end of the day I still had 4 chips… as we are never told what that prize is, I asked Legion, he mentioned that chips were part of it along with silver and something else (can’t recall). As I still only had 4 chips, what does that tell you. I asked the GM in wc when I saw her and she said they were given out, I said that I didn’t think I got it and she said she remembers my name being in the mix and maybe can check ‘backend’, I said I would appreciate it and never heard about it again.

So thanks for your ‘opinions’ on this matter, but I’ve elected to get impartial input from random individuals, who’ve been on Kongregate and in the company of professional moderators long enough to give a clearer insight on what is acceptable behaviour for a GM. Though as I’ve quit playing the game, it’s all moot anyway….. the afflicted will continue to suffer in silence until they leave and the favoured will bask in the self-righteous glow that, everyone is full of it except for them.

VforVendetta thanks again for the suggestions, I was browsing through the huuuuuuuuge list of games here and got cross-eyed lol. I will surely just choose one of yours to start lol.

 
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Oh good lord, I thought you quit? I’m so confused as to WHY you waste your time and energy on multiple posts about this STILL, while maintaining that you no longer play?
I remember a few weeks ago you saying “this was the last we’d hear from you on this topic…”
And yet still you tap away on your keyboard like your fingers have tourettes and this is your only outlet. Rant away as you wish, I’m still waiting to see if a damn thing changes.
The people who don’t like playing wont play… (unless they’re you, then not only will they not play, but they’ll sit around and complain about it…)
The people who do enjoy playing will continue to do so… (There are certainly more than 30 of us)
The GM will continue to be just that, her lovely self. Constantly interacting with others and keeping things lively.
And you. You will still be ignored by the Dev’s, who clearly at this point are ignoring you because they just don’t give a damn.

I however, truly am done with the topic, and will continue to enjoy the game, players, and raunchy chat I’ve grown to love here, While you sit miserable complaining eternally.

Enjoy!!!

♥ RumCake

 
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1) I caught her as ‘last poster’ on the exploits expo, yet when I selected ‘last’ there was no post from her and the last post on the thread was from Sarig or duvvel or one of the “alts”, which means she posted, realized it came up as her name….deleted the post and logged in as someone else (I did it once on lekool when I was on Coolhunk’s account and thought it was Persephone) it’s not rocket science, so oopsy….
Or realized she accidentally posted to a wrong topic.
Or realized she has closed the event too early (she always posts a closing post).
Or you just made it all up =) no proof, right?

As of test account – I believe, if any1 asked her to quit DW because its unfair, she would.

Everything else is BS.
And the most important thing: everyone else is happy, Andro, and its just you alone who think problems from nothing and can’t let it go.
But, oh geez, Imma GM minion, shoo, shoo!

 
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You can ELECT to get impartial input from where ever you want. It is much easier since they cannot see when you are misleading or flat out wrong. Since you could not find any support within the game, from the people that are “suffering” by all this, you decide to go get it from others who know nothing and can easily validate your ridiculous claims. Enjoy your self righteousness even if ill gained and good luck to your next target.

Boats

 
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Ok, now I feel compelled to reply to some statements:

Originally posted by Andromedia:

2) ps love, DW (domain war) is a PVP event….just so you know ;) and

GM didn’t participate in DW (or any other PvP activity) for few months now. So unless you are advertising some ‘Never Forgive, Never Forget’ policy here I can’t really understand why are you bringing out things that no longer apply.

Originally posted by Andromedia:
1) I caught her as ‘last poster’ on the exploits expo, yet when I selected ‘last’ there was no post from her and the last post on the thread was from Sarig or duvvel or one of the “alts”, which means she posted, realized it came up as her name….deleted the post and logged in as someone else (I did it once on lekool when I was on Coolhunk’s account and thought it was Persephone) it’s not rocket science, so oopsy….

From dozens of possible and plausible explanations, why such thing could have happened, you select the one that best fits your theory and claim it as the fact. I have no further comment on that.

Originally posted by Andromedia:

3) Adults will do adult things is all well and good if there was an age limit on these games…there isn’t

Please read Kongregate Terms Of Service. “Children under the age of 13 are not permitted to register for an Account or use other interactive features of our Site.”. Sure, 13yo isn’t adult, but claiming that there is no age limit is untrue.

Sarig

 
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you know something, this will go round and round constantly, because regardless even without delving into the ‘where, why, when or how’ a thing happens, the fact remains that I have questions regarding the integrity of a GM from things that I have seen and heard and yes, have happened to me personally, so truthfully, a bunch of the other players rushing to refute things, does not help the situation and actually it’s the same group of people constantly ‘explaining’, with of course the usual insult or put down. I wonder why that is……

However, in an effort to call my credibility into question, all you are doing is prolonging the agony… and stalking my posts, which is laughable and smacks of an agenda.

I got the answers and opinions I was looking for in random impartial people, without having to go into details, prior to any of you distorting the situation. I already know your opinions, we (senatry ppl), have seen it daily. So you stick with Senatry, I’ve decided to follow in the footsteps of a few others who quit for the same reasons, I’ve opted to go a different route.

 
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The butthurt is strong in this thread. GM means Game Master anyway. Game Master should ONLY refer to a developer. Normal users should not get special rights. I wouldn’t be surprised if Andromedia’s claims are true anyway. Many people when they get any kind of power abuse it.