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Room mods are flawed but it's not their fault.

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I’d have preferred to post this in another forum, but can’t. I mentioned this before but was dismissed. I’d say it again privately, but I’m ignored.

Mods and admins are supposed to be transparent – to an extent – right? This is exactly what I will be doing, very carefully. Mods and admins will know exactly what I’m talking about and referring to, users won’t. Users, you kinda just need to take my word for it, I suppose.

So, anyways, before I begin, I like the room mod system. The philosophy of it makes sense, that each room has a unique culture and the best way to handle it is people from that culture. Two problems, which are kind of the same:

1. It’s really hard to find qualified nominees. This is why a lot of rooms are still room modless over 4.5 months (over a third of a year) since the new system was implemented. This brings me to problem two:

2. It’s way too easy for existing room mods to be appointed in new rooms. There’s other issues with that, but I said them in private (but never saw the response). The room owner’s buddy only needs to meet a fairly small requirement and they become a room mod there. The admin checks and then verifies with the owner and it’s done. The problem? For some reason owners are picking their buddies to be room mods over qualified regulars. There’s a few rooms and a few nominees that will never be modded – at least in he foreseeable future because of the self-imposed room mod limit.


Please keep this on topic.

 
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im glad your on my side now!

 
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This is quite true and factual. I’ve seen many rooms owned by Kongregate over the past months and now, and it really seems to go on till someone is worthy of room ownership, or modship.

 
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That’s different.

 
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So all you have to do to become room mod is become the room owner’s best buddy? So I’m Interested to know how would you propose fixing these problems?

 
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You still need to be nominated to be a moderator. Becoming a moderator is the same, but once you get your foot in the door, yes, essentially.

 
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yea i was nominated once, but then i accidentaly said the name of porn site and i got silenced and now i cant be mod anymore.

 
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Originally posted by Rolby:

yea i was nominated once, but then i accidentaly said the name of porn site and i got silenced and now i cant be mod anymore.

i was nominated as a joke

 
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Originally posted by Rolby:

yea i was nominated once, but then i accidentaly said the name of porn site and i got silenced and now i cant be mod anymore.

you would make a good mod

 
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Originally posted by cesarcurado:
Originally posted by Rolby:

yea i was nominated once, but then i accidentaly said the name of porn site and i got silenced and now i cant be mod anymore.

you would make a good admin

FIXED

 
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Let’s stay on topic, guys. :P

 
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What’s wrong with being appointed in new rooms? If you met the requirement once, room owner will tend to accept you as a room moderator easier than an unknown user. It seems quite normal to me.

 
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Originally posted by BestMte:

What’s wrong with being appointed in new rooms? If you met the requirement once, room owner will tend to accept you as a room moderator easier than an unknown user. It seems quite normal to me.

That’s exactly my point. It shouldn’t be an “unknown” user. The whole point of the system is to promote from within each room. There should be no “unknown” users if this is being done properly, but it’s not.

 
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I figured that most room mods have been regulars in the room that they have been appointed for. If it’s just the case of room owners picking friends from other rooms without at least letting them get to know the room, regulars, and whatnot, then I disagree.

It’s also hard because sometimes, there are no regulars in a room who would be able to take the job seriously. With no regular users even meeting the mod standard, the ROs must look elsewhere, which can often lead to just picking ‘modfriends’ as a quick fix. That is, if I’m right in understanding that the RO nominates current mods for room modship. Mods don’t have to be likable by the room, and depending on the circumstances, are sometimes better not to be, but it would be best to have the ‘to be appointed’ room mods at least get to learn the atmosphere and know how to deal with it.

Over time, rooms change, and people who’ve stayed in many rooms for long periods of time will see this. Certain people come and go, but the rules stay the same.

(I’m afraid I’m probably rambling on, and completely missing the point, so I’ll leave it at that.)

 
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If it’s just the case of room owners picking friends from other rooms without at least letting them get to know the room, regulars, and whatnot, then I disagree.

Kind of.

It’s also hard because sometimes, there are no regulars in a room who would be able to take the job seriously. With no regular users even meeting the mod standard, the ROs must look elsewhere, which can often lead to just picking ‘modfriends’ as a quick fix.

Agreed, if that’s what the situation calls for. That’s not always the case though, understandably.

That is, if I’m right in understanding that the RO nominates current mods for room modship.

Kind of.

Mods don’t have to be likable by the room, and depending on the circumstances, are sometimes better not to be, but it would be best to have the ‘to be appointed’ room mods at least get to learn the atmosphere and know how to deal with it.

Agreed, about the likeability. However, it’s really easy to meet the requirement for room modship in a particular room without spending much time there or knowing (meeting, even) the regulars.

 
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When you say ‘modless’ I read ‘noodles’.

Anyway. I don’t like the room mod system in the first place, because IMO the lack of modcall options has just made it harder to find a mod when a room needs one. I’m not too interested in the stuff about ‘rooms having their own atmosphere’ because I’ve rarely found that that actually means anything other than ‘some users in this room get special treatment’.

I don’t agree with your points about the wrong people being promoted under the new system, though, mostly because I think people were already nominating their friends. That’s always been the case in most of the rooms I’ve spent time in. It’s extremely unlikely that a mod would nominate someone for promotion that they disliked, under either system, so logically you’d expect mods to nominate their friends.

Finally, I think sometimes the users that other members think would make great mods of a room aren’t necessarily actually the best choices anyway. A non-mod who’s always in chat telling people not to spam, or to stop with the caps lock, or to use proper grammar when they chat will make an AWFUL moderator in most cases, because when they already expect to be able to control people in that manner as a non mod, they’ll be alot worse when they have the power to back up their warnings.

 
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Agreed, about the likeability. However, it’s really easy to meet the requirement for room modship in a particular room without spending much time there or knowing (meeting, even) the regulars.

That I disagree on. I know rooms change and change can be rapid. Chances are, current regulars will still be around at least a good couple months later, which isn’t always the case, but often. The ‘to-be’ RM’s should come and hang out a bit, get to know the people. If the mod in question has the time to listen, I’m sure many regulars will reveal the room’s feel over time.

Let’s use Barrens Chat as an example: When I first went there, long, way long ago, I was decently chatty. After a while, I knew the mods, knew the regulars, knew the ‘trolls’. People moved around, and eventually I left. Even today, I can safely say that I could go back to Barrens Chat, and I’m sure some of the regulars that I used to know will still be around. Same goes with Area 51, TRB, The Hillside, and all the others.

Finally, I think sometimes the users that other members think would make great mods of a room aren’t necessarily actually the best choices anyway. A non-mod who’s always in chat telling people not to spam, or to stop with the caps lock, or to use proper grammar when they chat will make an AWFUL moderator in most cases, because when they already expect to be able to control people in that manner as a non mod, they’ll be alot worse when they have the power to back up their warnings.

I agree completely.

 
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I’m the perfect example. I was modded in Gnarly without meeting most of the regulars. I met the requirement within a few days so I was modded before meeting everyone.

 
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Why did you put your gripes in this forum? What are the benefits of saying it here? You know there’s a better, more appropriate, spot for this. Essentially the same people, the Admins, are the only folks that can actually do anything about this and/or respond to you. This is, in my eyes, the equivalent of calling out a user on the public forums. There are better ways to go about that, and the same with this, too. Why would you air our, the Mods and Admins, ‘dirty laundry’ in the public? I’m having trouble seeing this other than as you whining to the users, by you putting this thread here.

 
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Where, exactly, was I supposed to post it? Especially since I acknowledged in my opening post that I’d liked to have posted it on another forum but wasnt able to; first sentence, in fact.

 
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My apologies, I didn’t see. I’ll remove the previous post, if you want. I still hold on to my previous point, though, but to a lesser degree.


Edit @ below: I don’t know the specifics, nor should I. I don’t know what you have tried or where you’ve tried.

 
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I am trying to address a legitimate issue in the only way I know how.

 
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it all seems somewhat confusing to me imo!

 
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I’m probably missing something here, but I’m just not quite sure what the real issue being addressed here is. Your first point about it being hard to find qualified nominees doesn’t differ in the room mod system any more than it did in the original global mod system (as far as I’ve been able to see). Users will be users, finding those who can be mods was the same then as it is now. As for your second point about it being “too easy” for existing room mods to get modded in other rooms, from my understanding that’s kind of the point. It’s supposed to be easy because they want mods to spread around more easily, not have to jump through a bunch of hoops, because that would deter mods from moving around and hence furthering the issue in your first point.

Now, about room owners picking their “buddies” to become modded, I somewhat get where you’re coming from, but it makes sense. Given the choice between an existing room mod in another room who’s their friend and an existing room mod in another room who isn’t, they’d obviously be more drawn to their friend since they know them more and know what they’re like, instead of someone who they don’t know as much. Both technically have the same “requirement” to get modded in any new room, so there’s no difference there. If you’re talking about those who aren’t mods yet not being picked over those who are in other rooms, that’s a little more complicated. Again, you’re going to be more drawn to those who are your friends, whether or not they’re mods yet, however that in no way means that it will always be like this (just because a mod is friends with someone doesn’t mean they’d nominate them). You’re also going to be more drawn to someone who is already a mod because, well, they’re already a mod, so it’s “lower risk.” Or you could go the route of picking both, which I have seen happen more times than not (the philosophy of “the more, the merrier” comes to mind).


Basically I’m seeing some odd points in this thread. First you say it’s too hard to find people for other rooms, then you say it’s too easy to get modded in other rooms, and those points are contradictory. It might just be that mods aren’t spreading themselves out evenly, which is nothing new, it’s always been like that. Given time that might change, or it might not.

 
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I was going to post some snarky comment about how you’d better watch out or they’ll demod you for talking bad about their system, but I guess I’m a little late for that.