Level 21 is possible in [2 deaths,](http://youtu.be/0kIxng1nmjc) making the score 2637. I’m not sure if optimization in key levels require getting the key, since it doesn’t appear once you complete it. But the score wasn’t updated when I optimized them without going for keys after getting them. Edit: It seems my score was supposed to be 2645.

> *Originally posted by **[jh05013](/forums/1/topics/978?page=313#posts-7663343):*** > But the score wasn’t updated when I optimized them without going for keys after getting them. That’s because the score goes down if you optimize the level after getting the key. You apparently get 200-deaths for beating a key level with the key, and then 100-deaths if you beat it again without the key, and it replaces the 200-deaths1 score with a 100-death2 score if death2\<death1. This wouldn’t be so much of a problem if the key didn’t vanish after collecting it.

> *Originally posted by **[jh05013](/forums/1/topics/978?page=313#posts-7663343):*** > > Level 21 is possible in [2 deaths,](http://youtu.be/0kIxng1nmjc) making the score 2637. I’m not sure if optimization in key levels require getting the key, since it doesn’t appear once you complete it. But the score wasn’t updated when I optimized them without going for keys after getting them. 21 is actually possible with 1 death. I’ll let you figure out how. :) If you’re curious about any other level scores, ask me and I’ll tell you what I have.  > You apparently get 200-deaths for beating a key level with the key Really? This is the first key level getting the key  By the way, there is a level that’s possible with 0 deaths :)

Best of 2013 badge quest

For Disposabot, it doesn’t look like there’s any difference between scores for key levels whether you collect the key or not (the scores were submitting fine when I didn’t collect the key, and the same score was shown when I did), so that doesn’t seem to be an issue in terms of optimizing. * * * EDIT: Actually, there is some sort of hidden points getting added. My total in-game score was reduced by roughly 97 when re-completing one of the key levels, even though it never said anything about the keys giving bonus points. That means that it’s impossible to optimize the game if you’ve not done the key levels perfectly the first time, which really is unfortunate. I’d be against any badge that involves scores only achievable by the keys unless that gets fixed, then.

> *Originally posted by **[martin0499](/forums/1/topics/978?page=313#posts-7664023):*** > > Best of 2013 badge quest My post [here](http://www.kongregate.com/forums/1-kongregate/topics/370516-kongs-best-of-2013?page=1#posts-7605212) listed the top 10 games of the year as of the 10th, but since then several of the games that didn’t have badges have gotten them. Those badges showing up before the end of the year probably wasn’t a coincidence. Those games have probably lost rating points as a result (because rating always drops after a badge) so might not be in the top 10 any longer. I’d take a deeper look but I’ve got to head off, I’ll leave that for someone else!

> *Originally posted by **[Thok](/forums/1/topics/978?page=313#posts-7663661):*** > > *Originally posted by **[jh05013](/forums/1/topics/978?page=313#posts-7663343):*** > > But the score wasn’t updated when I optimized them without going for keys after getting them. > > That’s because the score goes down if you optimize the level after getting the key. You apparently get 200-deaths for beating a key level with the key, and then 100-deaths if you beat it again without the key, and it replaces the 200-deaths1 score with a 100-death2 score if death2\<death1. > > This wouldn’t be so much of a problem if the key didn’t vanish after collecting it. That’s stupid.

> *Originally posted by **[123aaa789](/forums/1/topics/978?page=313#posts-7664256):*** > That means that it’s impossible to optimize the game if you’ve not done the key levels perfectly the first time, which really is unfortunate. I’d be against any badge that involves scores only achievable by the keys unless that gets fixed, then. Fortunately, the dev has responded to my bug report about the issue and is trying to fix it. I think he’s fixed the issue of losing points for replaying key levels, but key points that have already been lost aren’t coming back.

It seems that if you get the key the score is 100-deaths and if you don’t, the score is 0+deaths.

> *Originally posted by **[Thok](/forums/1/topics/978?page=313#posts-7664793):*** > > *Originally posted by **[123aaa789](/forums/1/topics/978?page=313#posts-7664256):*** > > That means that it’s impossible to optimize the game if you’ve not done the key levels perfectly the first time, which really is unfortunate. I’d be against any badge that involves scores only achievable by the keys unless that gets fixed, then. > > Fortunately, the dev has responded to my bug report about the issue and is trying to fix it. I think he’s fixed the issue of losing points for replaying key levels, but key points that have already been lost aren’t coming back. Awesome, thanks for the heads-up. > *Originally posted by **[MaistlinRajere](/forums/1/topics/978?page=313#posts-7664925):*** > > It seems that if you get the key the score is 100-deaths and if you don’t, the score is 0+deaths. That would be interesting, because it would have to cap somewhere rather low, otherwise you could not collect the key and just die 100 times, right? * * * If the key is getting added back after it’s been collected it’s not a huge issue, but until then it’s a little disappointing (my score was somewhere around 2,500, I re-did a level and it dropped to around 2,400 because of it).

I think the most recent changes have solved everything.

> *Originally posted by **[Thok](/forums/1/topics/978?page=313#posts-7665162):*** > > I think the most recent changes have solved everything. Just tested, it does indeed look like everything is fixed. Optimizing key levels now doesn’t require getting the keys, which makes for an interesting mechanic, though.

Throwing my suggestions at Disposabot. **[Disposabot](http://www.kongregate.com/games/Unept/disposabot)** (current rating: 3.64) **Disposabomb** Badge (easy ~ 5 points) Complete level 11 [] Level 11 completed **Get the Keys and Run** Badge (medium ~ 15 points) Complete all 5 key levels, then defeat the final boss [] Final boss defeated **Sustainable Development** Badge (hard ~ 30 points) Push yourself to the limits and score 2,650 points [] 2,650 points scored

It would be nice to see [Run](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kongregate.mobile.run.google) (Android) get badges, seeing as all the other standalone apps in the Play Store have badges. I don’t know if it’s possible or not though. Anyway, it’s current rating is 4.1. Either a medium badge for completing Explore Mode, or just gain _x_ distance in Infinite Mode for _x_ level badge badge seems reasonable.

> Push yourself to the limits and score 2,650 points Seems WAY too hard. 2,645 would be much, much, MUCH easier. Still a hard badge, though.

> *Originally posted by **[MaistlinRajere](/forums/1/topics/978?page=314#posts-7675751):*** > > Push yourself to the limits and score 2,650 points > > Seems WAY too hard. 2,645 would be much, much, MUCH easier. Still a hard badge, though. It’s definitely doable, and very so.

Bumping to get people to help Greg. Also, Into Space 3 should be easy to badge.

> *Originally posted by **[Thok](/forums/1/topics/978?page=314#posts-7685039):*** > > Bumping to get people to help Greg. > > Also, Into Space 3 should be easy to badge.> \> **Into Space 3** > *Originally posted by **[hamuka](/forums/1/topics/295910?page=55#posts-7651837):*** > > Oh god damn it not Into Space 3. Everything, even KR:F (which has the glaring flaw of no fast-forward) would be better, [just not Into Space 3.](http://kongcg.blogspot.com/2013/12/oer-skies-we-go-into-space-3-xmas-story.html) > > I agree though, many badge-worthy games have been ignored. Perhaps gregismojo have holiday break, too, so we should just be patient and wait. > > (But no Into Space 3, please? Okay? Thanks.) (30/40-row rant about how it’s grindy as crap, devolved compared to its prequel, rushed together and just plain sucks included via link because I cbf to write an original, fresh one.)

> *Originally posted by **[ivod](/forums/1/topics/978?page=310#posts-7426494):*** > > *Originally posted by **[Bluji](/forums/1/topics/978?page=310#posts-7402874):*** > > > > Dillo Hills 2 has been out for some days now, and I just played it for the first time. It’s incredibly fun but I don’t feel it has an EMH feel. It’s a game that’s at most EMM, so here are my suggestions. > > > > **[Dillo Hills 2](http://www.kongregate.com/games/EpicGameAds/dillo-hills-2)** (current rating: 3.86) > > > > **Soaring the Skies** Badge (easy ~ 5 points) > > Gain 250 career score by participating in races > > [] 250 career score > > > > **Taking the Trophy** Badge (medium ~ 15 points) > > Win a race > > [] A race won > > > > **Challenge THIS!** Badge (medium ~ 15 points) > > Complete any 8 challenges > > [] 8 challenges completed > > I’d say the third badge becomes 15 challenges (medium) or 25 (or 30) challenges (hard)… I prefer hard badge for 25 (or 30) though (and maybe 1500 skill rating with it) I think Greg’s already got DH2’s badges planned, but I figured I’d throw a few out there, for fun. I’m trying to avoid anything that feels too grindy – the game really doesn’t feel like an MMO, so I’d kinda prefer skill-based challenges than grindy ones. All of the stuff below is stuff that could conceivably be done in a single sitting, if you’re good. The easy/medium badges can be completed without having to grind out a fully-maxed character. The hard ones don’t necessarily require a fully-maxed character, but having some upgrades will help a lot. **Dos Dillos** (Easy – 5 points) _[API: raceFinishes\>=2]_ Finish two public races before time runs out. **Animal Magnetism** (Easy – 5 points) _[API: CHALLENGErideTheLightning\>=1]_ Use a Magnet to smash through a Goonana or a Frost Mine unharmed. **In The Zone** (Medium – 15 points) _[API: level0\_raceTime\<=170000]_ Complete a public race on Emerald Hills with a time of 1:50 or better. **Blue Sky** (Medium – 15 points) _[API: asteroidsInOneJump\>=2]_ Smash through two asteroids in a single jump. Asteroids can be found on Meteor Moon and Crumbling Ruins. **Tiny What Now?** (Hard – 30 points) _[API: CHALLENGEinsideTheBox\>=1]_ Win a public race without jumping, gliding, using an item, swimming, or bouncing on anything. **’Roid Racer** (Hard – 30 points) _[API: CHALLENGEworldTraveler\>=1]_ Win public races on 7 different levels. **Bird’s the Word** (Hard – 30 points) _[API: CHALLENGEanimalRights\>=1]_ Complete a public race on Stonefeather Peaks (the pointy brown level) without bouncing on any birds. I’m happy to add more API calls to the next build if anyone has suggestions. I just realized I’m not passing a stat for consecutive perfect jumps, that might be a good one.

Dynetzzle (current rating: 3.93) Dietastic Badge (easy ~ 5 points) Complete any level [] Complete a level Levels: SOLVED Badge (hard ~ 30 points) [] Complete 10 levels

> *Originally posted by **[JayArS2](/forums/1/topics/978?page=314#posts-7726300):*** > > Dynetzzle (current rating: 3.93) > > Dietastic Badge (easy ~ 5 points) > Complete any level > [] Complete a level > Levels: SOLVED Badge (hard ~ 30 points) > [] Complete 10 levels I also enjoyed this game, but no way it gets a hard for just 10 levels. Easy or Medium for completion.

> *Originally posted by **[Bluji](/forums/1/topics/978?page=314#posts-7666488):*** > > **[Disposabot](http://www.kongregate.com/games/Unept/disposabot)** (current rating: 3.64) > > **Disposabomb** Badge (easy ~ 5 points) > Complete level 11 > [] Level 11 completed > > **Get the Keys and Run** Badge (medium ~ 15 points) > Complete all 5 key levels, then defeat the final boss > [] Final boss defeated > > **Sustainable Development** Badge (hard ~ 30 points) > Push yourself to the limits and score 2,650 points > [] 2,650 points scored Quoting this because it’s been over three weeks from the release of the game and we need more skill-based hards. * * * **[Dynetzzle](http://www.kongregate.com/games/vishnuvp/dynetzzle)** (current rating: 3.92) (has non-visible API) **Dungeon Dice Monsters** Badge (medium ~ 15 points) Complete all 10 levels [] 10 levels completed

Unfortunately, there haven’t been a lot of highly rated games in 2014 yet, but there are a number of games from December 2013 (or thereabouts) that could still use badges. . [**Candle Man**](http://www.kongregate.com/games/spotlightor/candle-man) (current rating: 3.74) [UNITY] **House of Wax** Badge (easy ~ 5 points) Complete level 5. [] Level 5 complete (best so far: ) **Science As a Candle in the Dark** Badge (medium ~ 15 points) Complete the game. [] 12 levels complete (best so far: ) **We Didn’t Start the Fire** Badge (hard ~ 30 points) Be frugal with your flame. [] 100,000 Life Left (best so far: ) * * * * * * [**Pause Ahead**](http://www.kongregate.com/games/askiisoft/pause-ahead) (current rating: 3.73) **The Wizard of Pause** Badge (easy ~ 5 points) Pause ahead through level 5. [] Level 5 complete (best so far: ) **Minority Report** Badge (hard ~ 30 points) Outlast the Architect. [] Game complete (best so far: ) **Some Towers are Scaled, Others are Slain** Badge (impossible ~ 60 points) Take control of your fate, wherever it leads. [] Game complete, 300 seconds or less [] Game complete, 10 deaths or less [] Nihil secret completion time, 300 seconds or less * * * * * * [**Live Puzzle 2 Christmas**](http://www.kongregate.com/games/PipkinGames/live-puzzle-2-christmas) (current rating: 3.89) **It’s Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas** Badge (medium ~ 15 points) Finish all ten puzzles on at least normal difficulty. [] 10 levels complete (normal) (best so far: ) * * * * * * [**Into Space 3: Xmas Story**](http://www.kongregate.com/games/BarbarianGames/into-space-3-xmas-story) (current rating: 3.75) **Red Wool Gives You Wings** Badge (medium ~ 15 points) Ascend 100,000 meters in a single launch. [] 100,000 meters (height) (best so far: ) **Houston, We Have a High Score** Badge (hard ~ 30 points) Reach a height of 250,000 meters without being hit. [] 250,000 meters (ace) (best so far: )

**[Petal Invaders](http://www.kongregate.com/games/PetalmaneBaku/petal-invaders)** (current rating: Under judgement) **Invade This!** (easy ~ 5 points) Save the universe and beat the game [] Game completed

Hey everyone, I just wanted to take a moment to reiterate my appreciation for this thread, and from this point onward I hereby promise to do a better job of keeping up with it and responding to things. I made [a post](http://www.kongregate.com/forums/1-kongregate/topics/380539-upcoming-badges) earlier today about upcoming badges, and there was some discussion about this thread being made obsolete as a result. However, I don’t believe that this needs to be the case — I would encourage everyone to continue using this thread to suggest games with ratings below a 3.8, or badges for games that I have not explicitly committed to badging. I will still read your suggestions, and while I won’t be able to act on most of them, they are still appreciated! To answer a few other points raised in this thread, yes, I need to get back to Enigmata: Stellar War. That’s been in the back of my mind forever, and with the current badge drought, now might be the time to fulfill an ancient promise. I’m going to look into and consider Pause Ahead, also. The rating isn’t that much lower than 3.8, and it’s interesting and unique enough to warrant a little extra attention. Thanks especially to Precarious for all the great suggestions — I should also probably badge Live Puzzle 2 Christmas, even if a couple of months ago would have been a more ideal time… > *Originally posted by **[MaistlinRajere](/forums/1/topics/978?page=312#posts-7625154):*** > > *Originally posted by **[greg](/forums/1/topics/978?page=18#posts-135924):*** > > > > Type ?debug\_level=3 at the end of the URL. When chat loads, you’ll see a bunch of messages being spammed by a user named “info.” > > Why does this not work? Our system changed a bit, but here’s how you can test it now: Use Chrome instead of Firefox. Type /?debug\_level=4 (not 3 anymore — we’ve leveled up!) at the end of the game URL. Right-click anywhere on the page (not the game window) and hit “inspect element” at the bottom. A tab will pop up from the bottom of your screen. Click the “console” tab all the way to the right. You might need to refresh at this point, but from that point onward, you’ll be able to see all the data that the game is submitting to us. Thanks again, guys!