RUNESCAPE does not belong!

Putting a flash loader in front of a java app DOES NOT MAKE IT A FLASH GAME! Runescape has no place here. Either make a java kong api and allow the uploading of java games, or get rid of runescape. RUNESCAPE IS NOT A FLASH GAME!

There are already topics on this subject.

i guess, this topic get locked soon

Use the avaible ones.

join the crowd. actually join one of the 37 identical threads. locked in 5.. 4.. 3.. 2.. 1..

don’t we already know this?

hehe, there are 10 threads about this, and about 25 pages of sorrow :)

RUNESCAPE IS NOT A FLASH GAME!

http://www.kongregate.com/forums/1/topics/16710

I still don’t understand why many of you think that something that is not Flash is not a game or that Kongregate only hosts Flash games; especially when we’ve been hosting Shockwave games for ages.

But yes, there are tons of threads on this already.

I’m opening this back up based on the ignorant comments and hostility being spewn around the site about Kongregate and Flash; and particularly the topic creator: gewalt (otherwise I’d create a new thread).

A couple of things need emphasizing to everyone who does not understand:

Kongregate is not a Flash-only site. We have hosted non-Flash games for a long time.

Look through our games; they are not all Flash. Most of them are; for technical, community and support reasons – not because Kongregate rejects any non-Flash medium as not a game.

Take a look here and you’ll notice Emily (co-creator of Kongregate) posted over a year and a half ago regarding supporting Shockwave and Java games. There are other threads about this, which I’ve yet to dig up but you can search for yourselves.

Regarding my own experience, I helped build the very API’s you use to earn badges. I served on the founding Kongregate team before this site existed; my job being to create the Flash systems and oversee it’s integration into the site. I drafted the original specifications. If anyone should be self-righteous about Flash, you think I would, eh? But no, I understand that other technologies can offer game experiences and that Kongregate is primarily a game community. Flash just happens to be a great tool for creating those game.

So; disliking a game for personal taste is one thing, asking it to be removed because it’s not Flash is another. Some advice: if you want a game gone, it’s the wrong argument. The fact that Runescape is allowed here and supported by administration shows that if you think we are a Flash site, you need to rethink things.

Shockwave is NOT Flash.

I really honestly shouldn’t have to explain it; given the information google gives us at our fingertips and Adobe’s own articles. But as you see, apparently I have to:

There are some misconceptions about the two, largely because Flash has been called ‘Shockwave Flash’. The truth is, the Shockwave Director plugin and file formats used are different from the Flash Player and file. One is a .dcr file, the other is a .swf. The crossover in the word “Shockwave” does not make them the same. If you don’t believe that, uninstall your director player and try to play this game. Kongregate will tell you that you need the “Shockwave Player” to run the game, despite the fact that the Flash chat will be running next to it just fine.

This topic creator sent me a bunch of messages calling me “ignorant” for saying Shockwave Director and Flash are not the same. Why anyone would tell a verteran Flash developer of nearly a decade who once served as Kongregate’s Senior Flash Architect, designed the original Flash integration + chat on this site and helped write the API’s that he doesn’t know the difference between the two boggles my mind. There’s a reason our Shockwave game’s don’t work with our API.

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So using the argument that we are only a Flash site because Shockwave is Flash is not going to work. Telling developers – and particularly developers that this site has consulted with – that they are the same with a ‘put up or shutup’ request does not change anything and does not make Kongregate a Flash only site.

If you know anything about Shockwave and Flash, please feel free to let the topic creator know they are not the same. Apparently, hearing it from one Flash developer is not enough.

More resources on the difference:

Shockwave Branding and Name Confusion
What’s the difference between Shockwave and Flash?
Flash and Shockwave
Kongregate Forums: The Future of Shockwave Games

In conclusion, I understand the ignorance will stay; but the more people understand the truth about such things, more it helps. If you don’t like games such as Runescape, it’s understandable; I don’t play it either. But don’t use ‘It’s not a Flash game!’ arguments here and don’t insult people who are trying to help you understand that.

If you see people spewing the Flash game argument, let them know where to go. Don’t subscribe to the ignorance. And if you dislike Runescape, dislike it for it’s content like any other game (you are entitled to as much); not because of ignorant misconceptions.

Thank you for an island of sanity in a large ocean of stupidity and closed-mindedness, aC.

Yeah aC, thanks for the post. It’s pretty much what I’ve been looking for.

nice, but nobody will find it :)

aC, despite that you occasionally needed to chastize me for my comments, you still are one of my heros (at least on this site)

Forget greg (gasp! yes I know, whatever shoot me…)

arcaneCoder and Matt Luther are the true gods of this site!

Extremely well said aC, well said.

i just wanna say that runscape Sucks balls and it does not belong on kongregate!!!

i just wanna say that runscape Sucks balls and it does not belong on kongregate!!!

I can name tons of other terrible games that should stay on Kongregate, what makes Runescape special?

can somebody please, please give me a few good reasons why runescape sucks that much? I used to play it, and I understand why people don’t like it but really, the outcry is ridiculous. (if thats off topic than just whisper instead)

All these petitions over a game? Honestly, I don’t understand what is the big fuss about Runescape. Besides, it is just another MMO…

But please greg, for the love of god, please do not make it a badge game, please….

Wow aC, you resorted to posting private messages in a public forum. That’s incredibly lame of you. So how come you didn’t post the pic of when you threatened to ban me for disagreeing with you?

Oh, and thanks for the enlightenment over how Shockwave != Shockwave Flash. I don’t program in either one, so I really had no idea how badly Adobe had mangled the trademark after purchasing it along with Macromedia. I only have one plugin installed, it’s called “Shockwave Flash Player”. Truly Fascinating.

Anyways, back to my original point, This is a flash game website in the hearts of the players here, and flash is the only platform actually supported in the APIs, SO I happen to think its in the best interests of Kongregate itself to support platforms consistently or not at all. Putting a flash loader in front of a java game is disrespectful to the players, and hosting macromedia shockwave games but not having an api to support it seems rather counter-productive to me. But I also don’t see why Kongregate can’t open up to hosting of java games, if they are willing to front load a java game, then why not allow uploads too?

I posted in the runescape forums in the moderator thread to find out if it is fraudulent, since i’m not sure if its legit…

Then they hid my post and yelled at me for posting a third party website…not like they have any place to freaking report it.

Oh, and thanks for the enlightenment over how Shockwave != Shockwave Flash. I don’t program in either one, so I really had no idea how badly Adobe had mangled the trademark after purchasing it along with Macromedia. I only have one plugin installed, it’s called “Shockwave Flash Player”. Truly Fascinating.

Adobe didn’t come up with the names. Also, it’s “Flash Player”. You have something strange or else very old if its called that.

Are you trying to say you still believe they are the same thing?

So how come you didn’t post the pic of when you threatened to ban me for disagreeing with you?

Here you go:

You we’re warned for your insulting response; you we’re never threatened for disagreeing (notice the word “insult” and not “disagree”). Disagree as much as you want; I don’t care; it reflects on you and brings more attention to the truth of the matter. There is a difference between a warning and a threat and you were given fair warning due to you uncalled for response. If it was a threat I would have went straight to the ban button; but I only ban as a last resort.

This is a flash game website in the hearts of the players here

That’s the point; it’s not. If it was, Shockwave games would have been boycotted. As it is, most people don’t notice. It’s only brought up now as a weak argument by people like you because of your hate for Runescape.

Don’t use it as a crutch; I’m encouraging you to use a real argument. No one will take your requests or views on the community seriously if you insult people in return and hang on to misconceptions. It’s your choice though.

flash is the only platform actually supported in the APIs

That’s because Kongregate barely had the resources to create a Flash API. Should we pull down Shockwave games too since we don’t support API’s for it?

then why not allow uploads too?

Uploads of what?

Runescape WILL BE A PERMANENT FIXTURE. It will help if everyone accepts that.

NO RUNESCAPE
RUNESCAPE DOES NT BELONG

NO RUNESCAPE RUNESCAPE DOES NT BELONG

Why?

Runescape WILL STAY no matter hom many complaints they get. Just forget about it.

then why not allow uploads too?

Uploads of what?

Teh pr0nz