Deleting Topics

Well, I really think this option should be taken from users. Many times I have seen it used abusively. Things shouldn’t be deleted because t is all part of Kong History, and when you try to cover something stupid you did up, or other people did, it just makes you look more stupid. But not all people take note of it.

I think that especially when people want to continue a discussion and the topic gets deleted for whatever reason, it makes them unhappy. Really, what made me start the topic, was because of the topic about missing maturity on Kong. I wanted to see a response on that, but the creator deleted it for some reason.

I’ve seen this before and I wanted to wait for it to become a real issue before going and making a topic about it. I want to hear thoughts, and if enough people agree with me, maybe we can get this changed.

I agree with you, Henry. If every topic you posted on is deleted your post count would go back to 0, although that’s not the real problem. Topic creators who delete their topics are just killing other’s opinions (it’s no surprise most of them are deleted when everyone is against the creator).

EDIT: I just noticed… we should remember that Kongregate didn’t make the forums. I don’t think they can change those options. ·_·

To extend on this, I think that people should be able to delete topics if

a) The are moderators, and the topics are abusive. b) They are the owner of the post, and the only poster.

I will respond to the above post like he posted it.

A) Even if that is the case, I don’t believe it should be deleted. It is part of the history. People need to know the good people, bad people, and the general information that is and can be posted on the forums. It’s very important.

B) I really don’t understand that, but I assume you mean the person made a topic and nobody has posted in it. I kind’ve agree with that, but people need to see if the question has been asked before so they can see if they should make a new topic. Then they could possibly bump it asking for information on the subject instead of making another topic.

A) Even if that is the case, I don’t believe it should be deleted. It is part of the history. People need to know the good people, bad people, and the general information that is and can be posted on the forums. It’s very important.

PirateCatHat spammed around 50 pages in the Kongregate forum. I do respect your beliefs in that, history should be preserved and the PirateCatHat example can be solved by deleting all but one topic but there are other reasons.

One reason is that the spammer knows he/she has done wrong and decided to delete it. We should give them a second chance to make them turn over a new leaf. If we can’t delete it, they’ll get embarrassed and instead, revenged for his dignity by spamming again.

Another is a mistake. A sensible user who checks out the forum and then, wrote a topic about “How old are you?” But then, he found out that this will break the law due to privacy and all sort of legal stuff but he can’t delete it!

Generally, the deletion of topics can be abusive somewhat but it can help other people a lot.

I actually liked your suggestion to improve Kongregate though but the cons, to me, are kinda worser than the benefits of the pros.

Topic creators who delete their topics are just killing other’s opinions (it’s no surprise most of them are deleted when everyone is against the creator).

I understand people can’t take criticism. I, myself, hated criticism till I was a teenager and was rather childish.

But the people who posted their opinions on a deleted topic usually do not care. After all, if the topic creator refused to listen to our suggestions, then this is his/her problem.

Take the following example:

Balidani, creator of the “Ultimate Photo Topic”, gets tired of Kongregate (none of this is intended to be pointed at Bal, I’m sure he’s an incredibly awesome guy and wouldn’t dream of ever doing anything like this, this is purely hypothetical and by way of example), and gets a bit spammy. He’s banned, but can’t see the reason for it. When he comes back, he decides to get his “revenge”, and deletes the Ultimate Photo Topic.

Over 3 and a half thousand posts are now just gone, because one user got a bit upset.

Allowing regular users any sort of direct moderation control over other users’ posts (like, being able to delete them) is not a good idea. At all.

Should we delete the option to delete and edit posts aswell then?

Letting users edit their posts is fairly necessary, IMO. I often think of something to add just as I click “Submit” – certainly, you’d see a lot more multiposting out of me if editing wasn’t allowed.

Letting users delete their own posts is more down to personal preference, but letting users delete threads is (IMO) a big nono.

PirateCatHat spammed around 50 pages in the Kongregate forum. I do respect your beliefs in that, history should be preserved and the PirateCatHat example can be solved by deleting all but one topic but there are other reasons.

I am not saying let them not ever be deleted, I am saying, the people who made the topics shouldn’t be able to delete them. Admins can do whatever.

Billyfred: I never said anything about posts, posts are fine. But deleting WHOLE topics is ridiculous. I agree cmpletely with Jabor’s Posts.

If every topic you posted on is deleted your post count would go back to 0, although that’s not the real problem.

I’ve lost over 1,000 posts because of this.

Any Chance You Could Delete All My Posts?

I’ve been saying this for ages. This feature was put in due to very poor judgment on the part of the forum developers. It is heavily abused and definitely needs to be removed.

It’s very easy to change, it just hasn’t been done.

Is it low on the list of priorities?

I wouldn’t know. It’s a high priority to me; and I’d do it right now if I could.

I think the delete thread button should be removed after a thread has 100 posts. If someone accidentally makes a thread or changes their mind about a thread after making it, they should be able to delete the thread.

If a post counter that then takes away the ability to delete the thread is enacted, it should be MUCH lower. Like, after 10 or 20 posts.

Although I don’t think users should be able to delete topics, but I don’t think having topics deleted should be treated as some major request.

Balidani, creator of the “Ultimate Photo Topic”, gets tired of Kongregate (none of this is intended to be pointed at Bal, I’m sure he’s an incredibly awesome guy and wouldn’t dream of ever doing anything like this, this is purely hypothetical and by way of example), and gets a bit spammy. He’s banned, but can’t see the reason for it. When he comes back, he decides to get his “revenge”, and deletes the Ultimate Photo Topic.

I have a solution.

1. Let posts in deleted threads still count.

2. Let forum mods bring back the deleted thread for a reason why it should be.

post counts aren’t the issue…it’s the fact that it’s gone. and a re-call feature like that would take a minute to implement >.> google cached a lot of that thread though for those who need it bad.

I agree with Henry. I think that it is very very upsetting when you see a thread that allows you to give an opinion, and maybe argue ,and (why not) changing your point of view; And it gets erased. No point of view (with a solid base and opinion, and explaining well why (s)he thinks that) is stupid. I guess that a lot of people might think the same way, or maybe “we” are wrong. They can teach us a lot, therefore, the “delete” topic feature is:

1) Useless: If it is innapropiate, a forum moderator will sure delete it.

2) If it is pointless, a forum moderator is going to delete it, again.

3) If it gets spammish, well, a forum moderator is going to take care of it.

Really, what made me start the topic, was because of the topic about missing maturity on Kong.

I was searching that, a second before I saw this. I wanted to give my opinion (yesterday I saw it, but it was very late, and I wanted to think what to say). Plus, I also agree that it is a part of Kongregate’s history. We should keep them as a record. Anyway, I know that you are right, telling the example of “PirateCatHat”.

A final tought, maybe it has nothing to do with this thread, but I saw that most of the users who posted here, are worried about the post count. I think that it should be removed, it gets like a competence; I want to have 2000 posts, let’s give one word replies and spam, woo hoo!! (Yes, I’m being sarcastic, not all of the users think the same way, but some of them, well, yes). I think that this is what makes some users hate the idea.

EDIT: Let me explain myself a little better: I’m not saying that the post count is useless. It means how active you are on the forums, but one word replies… spam… and that stuff, doesn’t give you any respect with the others. I think that arcaneCoder talked about this, I can’t remeber well, if it was him, and where; But I totally agree. Personally, I don’t read first the posts of the users with more post count, I read them all. I think that the “respect” (or as you wish call it) comes when other users read them on the forums, and they see if you say something thinking, or without thinking. This is like bumping threads. A lot of users do that, because they want to say “I agree with xx”, when that thread died… 5 or 6 months ago. If they add something to the discussion, well, I guess we all love seing new ponts of view, and argue about old topics (I’m not an old user, but I realise that, because that happened once to me). Maybe you can find you changed your thoughts.

Back to topic, one more thing:

I think the delete thread button should be removed after a thread has 100 posts. If someone accidentally makes a thread or changes their mind about a thread after making it, they should be able to delete the thread.

Sometimes, not the most visited/replied topics are the most cool, or useful. Sometimes, there aren’t too many opinions, or there are just a few points of view. This thread isn’t going to have lots of pages, and (maybe, I hope not) it is going to die soon (D=).

I make an average of 3 post per day, over the course of 16 months, I think it’s insane how even in 1 word post people can catch up to the number of time i’ve posted in under 5 months (some cases 3)

I think the delete thread button should be removed after a thread has 100 posts. If someone accidentally makes a thread or changes their mind about a thread after making it, they should be able to delete the thread.

If that’s going to be allowed then it should only be permitted if there are 0 replies to the original post.

Let posts in deleted threads still count.

No. Users would then spam even more to get their post counts up, since there would be no undoing it. Phatcat is right though, counts are not the issue.

I’ve had way to many thoughtful posts deleted simply because the original poster didn’t get the support he was looking for in his argument. They can be idiots as much as they want since they just delete the thread when they get fed up, leaving no history of the discussion or their behavior.

What I also see is users will delete their thread when they feel it hasn’t got enough attention and recreate it to get it to the top. Or they want to wipe the negative comments away and restart, hoping to look better the 2nd or 3rd time.

If that’s going to be allowed then it should only be permitted if there are 0 replies to the original post.

One person could still respond really fast, making the thread creator not able to delete the thread. The limit should probably be somewhere around 10-25 posts.

5 Would be good, I think. rethinking it, 10-25 is too much.

One person could still respond really fast, making the thread creator not able to delete the thread. The limit should probably be somewhere around 10-25 posts.

It doesn’t matter. I see no reason to allow a person to delete a thread with 5, 10 or 25 replies. If they want something locked or removed, they can ask a mod like they are supposed to.

I didn’t really bring the mod thing into consideration. If you can request a thread be deleted whenever instead of just doing it, much better.