Kongregate Premium Games page 2

@yaim0310: We have a couple under consideration, but we’re still working details out.

@Kannushi_Link: right now micro-transactions will be premium games only. That may change later on, but for right now, I think that’s the plan.

@Katsuo: thanks. I think it’s going to be a really good thing.

I wonder if a Flash shoot-em-up game can become a Kongregate premium game…… :(

@Kannushi_Link: Yeah, any type of game can be a premium game, as long as it fulfills the requirements of our guidelines. And if I think it’s cool.

lol i wanna make A GAME

Criss, go to the “making games” sticky in the programming forum.

I was just curious – why do premium games have such a (relatively) high minimum value? WOuldn’t it make more sence to say up to 100,000$?

Well, if someone came to us with a cheaper game, we’d look at it, but it doesn’t seem likely that the game would be of the scope we’d want, or, it’s almost done already, in which case they probably don’t need the funding.

I’m sort of curious about the business model. I understand it’s none of my business exactly but if I have a game that has reasonable repeat-purchase devices that could be tied to microtransactions…which is probably the sort of thing you’re looking for. Who profits from those transactions? Do you recoup that dev grant first? Will the developer see royalties off the first cash in? (Or will they see points after the game is in the black?)

The developer sees $ from the first transaction on. Until the dev grant is paid out Kongregate keeps the majority, the dev gets a minority. Once the game reaches earnout the % split changes, with the dev getting the majority. Definitely send your pitch along to Chris: submissions@kongregate.com

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Re the micropayments, do you think you would be able to do a system where regular users get ad revenue (like say 5% of what they generate), which they can use for micropayments? You could like store the data secretly and when enough views are generated, you could make a message appear saying ‘YOU ARE THE (ad views) VISITOR!!! CLICK HERE TO CLAIM YOUR FREE MICROPAYMENT!’ And it could be real and all xD

do we have any premium games yet? if we dont how long do u think it will be before we get one?

i think stormwind is going to be one (check cocak) but i’m not sure when it’s coming out or if it even will be one

>Re the micropayments, do you think you would be able to do a system where regular users get ad revenue (like say 5% of what they generate), which they can use for micropayments?

I think that let the regular users (those who have not uploaded any games) get the money from the user page is a good idea. :)

After all,some users here can’t bother to buy things on the internet because they don’t have a credit card.

I think kong can’t really implinet this idea, because it would be click fraud. :(

We’ve got a few picked out, but we haven’t got all the business stuff done for them yet. Expect a press release when everything is ready.

Stormwind isn’t one, sorry.

oh well it will still be a kick ass (am i allowed to say that???) game.

I think kong can’t really implinet this idea, because it would be click fraud. :(

Don’t tell the users about it, limit it to 100 views a day, it’ll be fine.

No, that would still constitute as click fraud.

Believe me, the major ad services (AdSense and others) have very, very strict policies regarding fraud, so much that it’s not uncommon to be blindsided by an e-mail in your inbox stating that your account has been canceled due to fraud (and any balance in your account is nullified), when you knew nothing about it and did everything legitimately in the first place. I’ve read many stories about that type of situation taking place. While it hasn’t happened to me in exactly that way, I have had other things happen to me with Clicksor that I believe to be due to fraud suspicion/paranoia.

For example, some ad services could interpret the “Kongregate shares ad revenue with its developers” (shown right below the ads) as against policy. Most ad services have a rule against messages like “This ad supports this site” or “Support us – click the ad” or even just “Our website is funded by ad revenue.” Such messages are often seen as encouragement for the user to click the ads. In Kongregate’s case, they could be publishing the ads directly with the advertisers (no ad service/middleman involved), or if they are using such a service as AdSense, that service would likely see this site as too valuable a resource to lose with the traffic and promise it possesses.

Wait WHY is it click fraud, what exactly is click fraud?

“Click Fraud” is basically scamming extra advertising revenue of the ad company, usually by inflating your click-through rates with the use of bots or just people clicking on the ads, hence the name “Click Fraud”.

In the T&C, you’re not allowed to use bots.

More specifically, you’re not allowed to offer bonuses on your site for people clicking the ads. Or even flat out ask them to click the ads, believe it or not. At least, not for Google Adsense. Here’s an excerpt from their program policies (emphasis is my own):

In order to ensure a good experience for users and advertisers, publishers may not request that users click the ads on their sites or rely on deceptive implementation methods to obtain clicks. Publishers participating in the AdSense program:
* May not encourage users to click the Google ads by using phrases such as “click the ads,” “support us,” “visit these links,” or other similar language
* May not direct user attention to the ads via arrows or other graphical gimmicks
* May not place misleading images alongside individual ads
* May not promote sites displaying ads through unsolicited mass emails or unwanted advertisements on third-party websites
* May not compensate users for viewing ads or performing searches, or promise compensation to a third party for such behavior
* May not place misleading labels above Google ad units – for instance, ads may be labeled “Sponsored Links” but not “Favorite Sites”