Purple equipment - Your redemption or your doom?

OK, since people keep going on about purple equipment making that huge a difference, let me spell it out for you.
Yes, purple equipment helps you a great deal in certain aspects of the game, but:

1. It is far from the general dealbreaker people make it out to be. Skills for instance make a much bigger difference.
2. The big increase in command some of them offer may actually turn out to have some undesired side effects.

This post will explain both these issues concerning purple equipment, nothing more and nothing less. I would thus like to ask people to stick to these points only, if you want to discuss other coupon items, galaxy politics, …. please find yourself another place to do so.

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PvE
The purple equipment increasing both war and command is 100% necessary to advance in PvE, as even people having heroes with a lot of skills apparently have a really hard time getting past the chapter 11 boss (at the time of writing). You need the extra command for more ships and the extra war for your ships to do even more damage. But it isn’t everything. Without skills or reinforcements from people with good skills, you would need a Mobile Fortress (and thus a shipyard lvl 26) to get past chapter 9. Chapter 10 would most likely be completely impossible, except maybe by getting reinforced by 2 MF’s led by heroes with high level good skills. But to get reinforced by an MF, you need 125 million army strength. The extra command you get from certain purple equipment is a great help to get the necessary command to do that, but even with them, getting there is no easy task. So even in PvE it’s not all you need to get to the end of it.

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PvP
In PvP, purple equipment can be really helpful too, if you are the attacking party and get to choose your targets. You’ll have more war, so do more damage and take less damage. An increase in command also leads to attacking with more ships, so you will be taking more resources home with you when you win.
However, when you are the defending party, putting on all your purple equipment (with command) boosts your army rating and thus power rating. This will most likely push you into the range of at least a few more players that have bought themselves some nice skills to put on their heroes. These skills make them do 2-3 even 4 times the damage they normally do about half of the time (yes the % indicated range from 10-25% or so, but skills seem to trigger more often than that number indicates). You will get pummeled into protection every single day, because you are such an easy target to people that have these good high level skills. You’ll end up losing a ton of ships in the process, leading to you ending up with less ships to do things yourself.

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Pillars
Now on to the part where there seems to be the most confusion. Yes having more war and command leads you to do more damage to pillars, but again things aren’t all they seem to be.

Before you get to attack the actual pillar, you need to get past the PvP phase of the raid.

1. As stated in the previous paragraph, putting on all purple gear (with command) leads to having a lot more power, thus your chances of ending up being matched against someone with good skills go up significantly. This means that if you don’t have good skills yourself, you might even end up costing your raid team the victory, having lost 2 ap and a bunch of ships for nothing.
2. Yes you can “choose” your own power rating somewhat to end up with someone you know you can beat. This could be done by unequipping purple gear, but since the reason for this thread is that a lot of people seem to believe more is better, regardless, that’s not what newer people generally think of.

When you do get past the PvP phase on to the actual pillar phase, having purple equipment on should increase the damage you will do to the pillar. However even here the effect is most likely not that big or could even end up being negative.

1. Again, certain skills matter a lot more than the “small” increase a purple equipment gives. Using triple or combo, a hero effectively doubles or triples the damage it does that round.
2. Having more command will lead to that hero having a higher chance of getting targeted by the pillar’s attack, which (ceteris paribus) theoretically leads to you losing more ships each raid. Thus you will be able to do fewer raids than you otherwise would. Whether you’ll still do more damage in total depends on the other people raiding with you.
   If putting on the purple gear leads to you being the one with the biggest fleets, you could actually end up doing less total damage, as you would be the one tanking and taking the brunt of the ship losses. This is doubly bad, since you’ll lose your ships faster in the raid, having fewer ships remaining to do damage that raid and more ships will end up being destroyed completely, resulting in being able to do fewer raids.

Thus in general you should do more damage against the pillar, but even that isn’t guaranteed.

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So to conclude, purple equipment helps in various aspects of the game, but you also need to be careful using it. Skills often matter a lot more.

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ps. Unfortunately people have disregarded my request to stick to the point in this thread. I think almost every reply has been totally besides or barely skirting by the point. However, the tiny bit of to the point comment found in them has already been incorporated in here, as I’ve edited this post accordingly.
So if you are merely looking for extra information regarding purple equipment by reading the replies, you shouldn’t bother to at least read the ones made before this OP was last updated. You’ll just lose precious time while learning nothing new about purple equipment.
Last update: April 20th, 2012

Indeed, too bad many ppl are complete idiots~! Screw them all! Let them complain their heart out.

Never worried about the usability of the purple items, just the return on them, specifically the ones purchased with coupons…….perhaps this is why don’t get it, you don’t even know what the point was, as evidenced by this post. Yet again, unnecessary (as to your point), though I do have to admit is most probably useful information.

Originally posted by Neokryton:

Indeed, too bad many ppl are complete idiots~! Screw them all! Let them complain their heart out.

LOL, I responded to his complaints about us providing reasoning and ideas to help improve the game. Thanks for compliment though! An idiot is to a retard is as a genius is to an idiot. LOL

^ not funny in the slightest, regardless of the stereotypes many people with mental retardation and other such “learning disabilities” can excel in certain aspects which can often include many areas of academics.

Returns? What is this? K-Mart?

Reasoning? So there is a New game console on sale, you brought it cause you “can’t” wait for it… Then you realized that there is another Newer console.. so you want to go return the older one from the store you brought to get the new one! Nice! where do you live, I wanna live there too!

Go to dream world or fantasy land.

I skim through the posts, but yeah skills make a big difference in this game.

Originally posted by Jessupac:

Never worried about the usability of the purple items, just the return on them, specifically the ones purchased with coupons…….perhaps this is why don’t get it, you don’t even know what the point was, as evidenced by this post. Yet again, unnecessary (as to your point), though I do have to admit is most probably useful information.

Ever care to think this thread wasn’t about you? Yes I decided to write it partially because of our discussion in your thread and your posts in the suggestion thread. However, there were a lot of other people before you and there will be a lot of people after you with misconceptions about the use of purple equipment. I wrote this for all of these people, not just for you.
Please stop making everything about you.

Originally posted by Jessupac:

LOL, I responded to his complaints about us providing reasoning and ideas to help improve the game. Thanks for compliment though! An idiot is to a retard is as a genius is to an idiot. LOL

Neokryton or I never called you names, so why do you see it fit to call at least one of us a retard?
Btw, since you replied in this way, you seem to think of yourself as an idiot. That is your prerogative, but nobody but yourself called you an idiot.
And as MatrimKK said, you should be careful which terms you use to swear at people.

Originally posted by Atomslaya:

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PvP
In PvP, purple equipment can be really helpful too, if you are the attacking party and get to choose your targets. You’ll have more war, so do more damage and take less damage. An increase in command also leads to attacking with more ships, so you will be taking more resources home with you when you win.
However, when you are the defending party, putting on all your purple equipment boosts your army rating and thus power rating. This pushes you into the range of the players that have bought themselves some nice skills to put on their heroes. These skills make them do 2-3 even 4 times the damage they normally do about half of the time (yes the % indicated range from 10-25% or so, but skills seem to trigger more often than that number indicates). You will get pummeled every single day, because you are such an easy target to people that have good skills. You’ll end up in protection every single day, losing a ton of ships in the process, leading to you ending up with less ships to do things yourself.

Power level does not equal skill set so your argument that equiping purple com/war items puts you within the realm of far more powerfull players with lots of skills is completely wrong. I have raided many players who are +20% more powerfull then me without any issues. They don’t naturally have anymore skills then players -20% less powerfull in my range. Skills don’t add significantly too power and any player of any power level can be full of top skills. You should already know this. Do you even play time world?

You don’t even mention that smart players build their heros around the com/war items by keeping their heros com very low too begin with. This tactic completely avoids the imaginary situration you put forward and increases that players PVP strength significantly as the com boost in a com/war item no longer becomes a distint negative. (not that it even excists)

You neglect to mention purple war items that purely increase your pvp strength without any negatives or the war enhancement gems you can buy cheaply with coupons that can boost any war/com or war items your using. 5 Demon rings with a bunch of war enhancements on them is anything but insignificant in pvp battles.

Coupons also buys you VIP time that gets you purple heros much faster and gives you more AP to gain hero experience.

Saying that coupons don’t offer a significant PVP advantage is a complete joke. Skills are a massive advantage too but that has nothing to do with coupons or player power level. The whole skill argument is just a scapegoat so that you can point and say “Look at skills they are powerfull in PVP…. leave my coupon items alone!”

Certain skills such as combo/muilti are powerfull but it in no way devales the strength of having a hero with high war/com due too items. The argument that it does is flawed.

All i see is players trying to play down their coupon advantage. The fact is if coupons didn’t significantly help in pvp then you woulden’t have 2 galaxys worth of players joining the coupon allience.

Originally posted by AlienFlu2:

Returns? What is this? K-Mart?

+1

TryggrWolf

Where do you see me say that coupon items don’t offer a significant advantage? I never even said anything about upgrade gems, vip, …. as this thread is purely about purple equipment, nothing more and nothing less. I thought that would be clear from the title.
Since you seem to be focusing on the PvP part, you might want to reread the first sentence of what you quoted there, half your post doesn’t contradict anything I’ve said, if you would only read properly.
Does anyone actually read what someone else writes without blanking out the parts they don’t wish to see?

This thread clearly stated some of the advantages purple items have, but it also points out that purple gear isn’t necessarily always a plus.
True, any player at any power level can have lots of skills on their heroes, but the higher you get in power, the more of them there are. Or would you care to disagree with that? So I don’t really see your point there. Do YOU really play Time World?

Smart players can indeed build their heroes specifically around the purple gear to purposefully still be pretty low on command. But that would mean you focus completely on PvP. I’m am painting an all-round picture of a balanced player.
Besides, you don’t get purple heroes that often for instance, so it takes a lot of planning to properly do this and you would need to know that going to high power could be a problem. Most people complaining about the purple gear haven’t even considered this. That’s what I hope this thread will also show.

True I didn’t mention the purple items that don’t have command on them. Did I have to? It should be clear to anyone that those gears do not have the potential downside that the ones with command have. Again, if people don’t know, they wont take it into account. People usually go for what they see as the best all-round gear, so they tend to choose the com/war combination items first. Once more, these can be a great help, if used correctly, I never denied that.

Finally, yes skills alone can be terrible too, if your war/command ratio is way off. But again, that’s not what this thread is about. There have been several threads dealing with how this ratio affects PvP and PvE, so most people already know the general guidelines there. This thread is about how incorporating purple items into your strategy without properly thinking about it could do more harm than good.

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ps. I wont go into

1. the other coupon items
2. the alleged coupon alliance

as that is not what this thread is about. If you want to rant about those, start or hijack another thread.

pps. Your personal feelings do not interest me one bit.

I cared to, but quickly threw it out, after reading neo’s comment. That was an assumption I allowed myself. I could tell this post was not for my information, but indeed as a result of our conversation (among other things). As for being careful which words to use when swearing at people, I usually don’t do that. I don’t hold the belief that the word itself holds the intention. This means that if you are affected negatively by a word, or how it’s used, then it’s the word or how it’s used and not who is using it. I say, don’t let such things hold such power over you and be so binding. The word idiot is also one of those terms, although modern culture has numbed most of us to it. If you’re going to swear at someone, the words you use don’t matter, the intent lies in your heart. Don’t be offended by my comments or words, be enlightened to the freedom that lies in not letting them take hold and ruin your happiness because someone else doesn’t have the sense to refrain from shamelessly throwing words around. It is rather shameless, though I am on a different belief system. Doesn’t mean I don’t care, it means I care more. I wouldn’t expect you to understand my perception, I don’t have near enough space or time to lay out the thoughts that go with it. I can appreciate your position and am sorry if you take what I say the wrong way in observance of this conversation. I still think neo was talking about me, and your little cliche doesn’t help the case. Just for clarity, I use myself as an example, because it’s easier than explaining that I’m going to be using LmonkeyMan2011 as an example.

Originally posted by Atomslaya:

pps. Your personal feelings do not interest me one bit.

Originally posted by Atomslaya:
And as MatrimKK said, you should be careful which terms you use to swear at people.

Very adaptable

Originally posted by MatrimKK:

^ not funny in the slightest, regardless of the stereotypes many people with mental retardation and other such “learning disabilities” can excel in certain aspects which can often include many areas of academics.

While you are right you are taking what I say out of context. I believe there is a place for allowing facetious use of certain terms. Stopping people from using words in this manner would not change how they feel, the only way to do that is to educate them. I feel that I can laugh at a hypothetical situation and still care for the subject of the joke. I’m not sorry for saying the things I say, as my intentions are directional, and not towards any group of people. I am sorry if you are offended, however.

Well, the truth is that most of the TOP “payers” have the biggest armies so, theoretically, the higher your command, the easier to be “within range” of the big guns and become their farm. Unless of course, your heroes are all purple, have more WAR than COMMAND, have nice purple WAR/COMMAND gears (and pure WAR purples to “depower” and be able to attack the already weaker players), and more importantly, multi-shot skill that, if you have enough cash, you could be shooting 4 targets with a single attack. So, at this point is not about who has the best purple gear (because at the TOP there isn’t much difference because most of them have similar TOP gear) but whose multi-shot skill triggers first. By the way, shooting first almost grants you the victory. Considering both players are TOP monsters.

So, to conclude:

1.-Purple equipment does make a difference but it could be problematic if you are not a TOP payer. Be smart.

2.-COMMAND is not too bad if you know how to work the numbers and keep it low, but not too low.

3.-Maxed skills do make a humongous difference. Just to mention some of the deadliest:

A) Multi-Shot
B) Speed (Means you shoot first withing the same ship class)
C) Dodge
D) Target
E) Repair
F) Attack up (you hurt more with the same army, like more WAR)

And don’t be naive, having these skills is one thing. But having these skills at level 6+ each one of those on every single one of your purple heroes is an entirely different thing. It is the difference between spending 40 dollars and spending 400+ dollars.

This post is not for anyone in particular, this is just my point of view. You are free to disagree with this.

(To be honest, all I wanted was to be able to sell my purple cupon-purchased gears in exchange of cupons because I paid them with cupons. It would have been nice, you know, to keep up with the changes, but I get it, that’s not going to happen)

Oh, and I almost forgot. Money is a tricky concept, because while for me 400 dollars is a lot of money, for some people is nothing. There’s nothing wrong with that to be honest, because I live in Mexico and make around 800 dollars a month in my job. And while I could pay 400 dollars in a game, it would affect my finances a lot more than to a guy that makes 80,000 dollars a month. Again, money is a tricky concept. So, “a lot” is not the same for me than to some other guys, whether it’s them who pay for it or their family.

Sorry for the mistakes that I might have done, English is not my first language.

Have a nice day :D

Originally posted by cristian998:

Sorry for the mistakes that I might have done, English is not my first language.

Have a nice day :D

Seems to be that most that have English as a second language make better use of it than those who speak it natively. Some of these points could have been used for your other post man!

Originally posted by Atomslaya:

True I didn’t mention the purple items that don’t have command on them. Did I have to? It should be clear to anyone that those gears do not have the potential downside that the ones with command have. Again, if people don’t know, they wont take it into account. People usually go for what they see as the best all-round gear, so they tend to choose the com/war combination items first. Once more, these can be a great help, if used correctly, I never denied that.

This was your main complaint and reasoning behind making this thread, it may have been prudent to point this out. Not knocking or saying that it isn’t possible to deduce this information, but apparently we aren’t good at figuring things out for ourselves. This post does bring up a lot of questions that it doesn’t answer, and being that this information is for the players that wouldn’t know these things, it’s not a safe assumption that your target audience is fully going to benefit from having it. Most of us will be able to use these items in all their glory because they offer significant improvement for all aspects of the game (pvp, chapters, raids and pillar fights, if applicable) for what part we are in. This is a great big factor on whether purple equips are useful, and not as effective in this portion of the game. Maybe you could add a couple things about the skills and building/tech levels and how to avoid getting into trouble that way, since it is much more of a factor at the beginning, middle and end-game. I think what Tryg was trying to say is that this information, while useful, could be detrimental without the accompanying information. At least, that’s what I think of after reading both sides (subtracting personal attacks).

The reason I quoted is because this statement is counter-intuitive, you can’t post things for people’s information and then leave out some significant piece, no matter how apparent it may seem to you. It is easy to be blinded by experience to some of things that need adjusting to, and mostly the reason I insist on making suggestions, it’s just a fresh view on things that you don’t have to deal with anymore

Jessupac
As I said, this thread was partially because of a part of our discussion yes, that was the final drop needed to cause me to write this. But this was far from just for you. Our biggest difference of opinion in your thread wasn’t about the usefulness of purple equipment, as you yourself pointed out. So I don’t see how you think this is all about you.

I edited the OP to make it even clearer a big part of it is about the negative effects increased command may have, since that’s what it’s about.

cristian998
You forgot triple and combo, the most important damaging skills during the pillar phase of pillar raids, since there is only one target to shoot at.

ok then buddy. here’s your main complaint

Originally posted by Atomslaya:

OK, since people keep going on about purple equipment making that huge a difference, let me spell it out for you.

by leaving things out, and purposefully, you have not spelled it out. and in doing so may have lead people down the wrong path. that’s the counter-intuitive part. if you are going to do something for someone, at least do it right. you yourself said if people don’t know this, then they won’t apply it. what’s the point in the first place if you don’t care?

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Originally posted by Jessupac:

I cared to, but quickly threw it out, after reading neo’s comment. That was an assumption I allowed myself. I could tell this post was not for my information, but indeed as a result of our conversation (among other things).

this is essentially the same thing so we are in agreement on this

Originally posted by Atomslaya:

As I said, this thread was partially because of a part of our discussion yes, that was the final drop needed to cause me to write this. But this was far from just for you.

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So I don’t see how you think this is all about you.

read above statement, i don’t

Our biggest difference of opinion in your thread wasn’t about the usefulness of purple equipment, as you yourself pointed out.

i didn’t see these that you would have been referring to. still, the information didn’t go with what we were discussing on the other thread

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Originally posted by Neokryton:

Indeed, too bad many ppl are complete idiots~! Screw them all! Let them complain their heart out.

Originally posted by Neokryton:

Reasoning? So there is a New game console on sale, you brought it cause you “can’t” wait for it… Then you realized that there is another Newer console.. so you want to go return the older one from the store you brought to get the new one! Nice! where do you live, I wanna live there too!

Originally posted by Atomslaya:

Neokryton or I never called you names, so why do you see it fit to call at least one of us a retard?
Btw, since you replied in this way, you seem to think of yourself as an idiot. That is your prerogative, but nobody but yourself called you an idiot.

another reason not to put too much stock into what you say. funny how neither one of you guys would come out and say it, though, both of you in a roundabout way have called me an idiot now. i repeat

Originally posted by Jessupac:
LOL. Thanks for compliment though! An idiot is to a retard is as a genius is to an idiot. LOL

Ok i have a lot of things to say about your last post. First of all, u said earlier u were sorry if u offend anyone by using the word, retard, yet u used it again. In addition, they did not call u an idiot until u did yourself and insulted the mentally retarded people. As for your first point about purposely leaving things out, perhaps in a debate u would be right, but in a discussion, its pointless arguing as he already made his point clear. And even if u don’t think the thread is about u, the 3rd post, your 1st post on this, says otherwise because u r saying an opinion completely off topic. Seriously, what the hel?

Originally posted by abz329:

Ok i have a lot of things to say about your last post. First of all, u said earlier u were sorry if u offend anyone by using the word, retard, yet u used it again. In addition, they did not call u an idiot until u did yourself and insulted the mentally retarded people. As for your first point about purposely leaving things out, perhaps in a debate u would be right, but in a discussion, its pointless arguing as he already made his point clear. And even if u don’t think the thread is about u, the 3rd post, your 1st post on this, says otherwise because u r saying an opinion completely off topic. Seriously, what the hel?

Right you are, that at first I did think it was about me, it was an assumption I allowed myself. In the first response to my first post I was corrected. I erred and corrected And this is exactly what I said before man, I’m not trying to be rude, but you’re calling me out for something that doesn’t really apply.

I actually said I do not apologize for using the word or offending people, just that they are offended. Whether I am the culprit or not, anyone offended will be offended, and I have done what I can to help them with that. I can explain, but I warn you, this may be a controversial and seemingly insensitive view. That being said I think that by not championing these type of causes we will fully allow ourselves to believe that these deficient people will be able to contribute to society in the norm. A person’s rhetorical use of a term, in my opinion, will not affect another person that is decidedly against being affected. A word is a descriptor, it has no intent, as I have no ill will towards those labeled retarded. I feel this is a further evolution of our society. I used to work with someone that had down syndrome and this was also his view. It is not something I learned from him, or that he learned from anyone else, but his own take about his observations. That people would go out of their way to try to make him feel normal made him feel exactly the opposite of normal.

Also, I used to get verbally berated every day because when I quit playing baseball, I blew up like a balloon. Every day I had to endure face-to-face ridicule and degradation. One day I talked to my mother, and her advice was that no matter what you do in life there are always going to be people you come across that are not going to have your best intentions in mind, or not even care at all for that matter. She said that I should actually feel sorry for these kids because what they were doing would turn out to be worse for them when they get in the real world. She also said the next time they start to bother you just laugh at them and don’t let them know that it bothers you. I tried it, and guess what? They didn’t make it 30 seconds before giving up and moving on to easier prey. I know how bad words can hurt, but that day I learned that they don’t have to. There is a difference between calling someone retarded in rhetoric and saying that mentally retarded are a bane on society, as you guys would allege I have done (or something to that effect). This would be the main reason I believe, but I also think it is a limiting of the word “retard” itself as it describes more than just the mentally handicapped. These causes do less to further distance the thoughts you think when you hear it from what it actually means.

I can read between the lines, no need for them to say it outright. It’s a classic deflect, I play along with the original comment and then you say that I agree. It’s not only juvenile, it’s glaringly apparent. So far, only people who are not the ones saying these things have denied it, first atom saying that it wasn’t neo, and now you saying it’s not atom. Even so, I probably wouldn’t believe it coming from the horse’s mouth. I can appreciate you may not see it as I do, and I’m really not too concerned with being called an idiot (an example of what I mentioned before, I’m not affected by what they say because it is apparent there isn’t sufficient information to make such a claim, and I know the truth; there are always going to be haters). There’s no reason to say “that must be what you think” unless he’s saying it himself without actually having to say it so that he can stay in a good light to those, such as yourself, trying to make an honest and informative assessment. Neo was obviously directing this towards me, as evidenced by his response to mine

Even after I pointed out that idiot can be considered just as offensive noone has been so keen as to touch on that. The definition is “someone who is mentally deficient”, the exact same as the common use of retard. I don’t see how everyone has passed the opportunity to tell neo that he shouldn’t be using such terms and jump on me. Any further posts directed only at me can be seen as a personal attack

By calling someone a retard to “hurt” them, you demean the people who actually are mentally retarted exactly because you are using it to “swear” at someone. You imply it is inherently bad to be a retard and it’s somehow their own fault they are mentally retarted.

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Once more, no one called you an idiot.

Originally posted by Neokryton:

Indeed, too bad many ppl are complete idiots~! Screw them all! Let them complain their heart out.

If you feel he’s talking about you, that’s your problem, he didn’t say everyone that complained about it are actually idiots, just that too many people are, because they choose not to inform themselves, they don’t try to figure out what’s it’s really about, …

Originally posted by Neokryton:

Reasoning? So there is a New game console on sale, you brought it cause you “can’t” wait for it… Then you realized that there is another Newer console.. so you want to go return the older one from the store you brought to get the new one! Nice! where do you live, I wanna live there too!

I really don’t have a clue where he’s even referring to idiots here. This post was a reply to yours yes, it’s all about you (congratz), but do you see any reference to you being an idiot in it?

Originally posted by Atomslaya:

Neokryton or I never called you names, so why do you see it fit to call at least one of us a retard?
Btw, since you replied in this way, you seem to think of yourself as an idiot. That is your prerogative, but nobody but yourself called you an idiot.

The fact you see me calling you an idiot with this post deserves only one reply, the same one:

Originally posted by Atomslaya:
Btw, since you replied in this way, you seem to think of yourself as an idiot. That is your prerogative, but nobody but yourself called you an idiot.

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Last but not least, since you asked to know the difference between a retard and an idiot:

Retard: a mentally retarded person

• This is a person that is born this way and in no way can help having this condition.

Idiot: an utterly foolish or senseless person

• This is a person that is uninformed or misinformed which causes him/her to be foolish or senseless.
  [Too bad in this day and age too many people choose to be idiots and appear even proud about. (Again, in no way is this comment meant to call you an idiot, it’s a general statement of a well known fact) Only a very few people can actually say they can’t help being an idiot.]

I never asked to know the difference, I stated the similarities. Sure there are other definitions to taken from these words based on context, but since we’re in the same context, the words have the same meaning.
Retard: Slang: Disparaging .
a. a mentally retarded person.
b. a person who is stupid, obtuse, or ineffective in some way: a hopeless social retard.

Idiot: idiot n. A foolish or stupid person. A person of profound mental retardation having a mental age below three years and generally being unable to learn.

Not exactly, that’s the skewed version of the word retard. Idiot is actually more of a term referring to the mentally retarded than the word retard. In my context, it is not a person who is mentally retarded, but someone who is socially inept, or unable to learn what it is presented.

I guess I have a problem then, don’t worry about it. It’s not yours. His response is not to my post, but to my “reasonings” in the other thread, to which he is referring. I said nothing about those things here, to which you allege he is responding to. Keep being vague and keep denying the facts, I really don’t care. You are defending the culprit of what you are pretending to be offended by.

Ok, where do u think that saying came from? From the mental retardation which is so offensive! What u r saying is that they are as socially skewed as mentally retarded people r with their minds. Anyways, if someone did someone stupid and i called them retarded, the context shows that what i mean is they r stupid, but it still just as offensive. As for idiot, it is not at all referring to a mentally retarded person. Idiot is a comparative word that applies to a person in a certain situation where they make a logically or obviously incorrect choice below their or society’s usual standards. As in, its not perpetual. It can refer to a mentally retarded person in some cases, but not in most cases. As for retard, well that word is 100% meaning a mentally retarded person. If ur callings someone a social retard, well maybe that is less offensive (though i kind of doubt that,) but just calling someone a retard, no matter the context, no matter the intention, is still extremely offensive.

Sorry if i defended the “wrong side.” Perphaps theres things I’m not seeing or understanding or just simply passed over. However, i have known several people who are mentally retarded, and i just get really pissed off when people use that word. Seriously, its basically the same thing as calling someone or something gay, only that is offensive to a different group. And btw, why the hell would you think I’m only pretending to b offended by the use of the word retard?

Edit: I read ur posts about how the important part of words is the intent. This may b your belief, but for many people, this doesn’t hold true. As in, u might not think its offensive, but many people do. Calling something retarded or calling someone a retard is extremely offensive to many people.

I’m not referring to you in pretending, I’ve already stated in previous posts who that is. Might be the person I was talking directly at, and have been since the post started. Maybe. Did you even read the definition of the words? Only in a slang reference is retard mentioned as referring to a certain people and the definition of idiot is, literally, a mentally retarded person. If you don’t believe me, go look it up, I copied and pasted. I can’t help that people don’t really know what words mean and how context can change the meaning of a word. You aren’t even qualified to make your points, because if you knew how, you wouldn’t have tried.


I have not, and I will never deny the fact that people will get offended. As a matter of fact, I said people will always get offended. It stands to reason someone should think the only way they know how. I’m not saying it’s easy changing the minds of the entire world, but I do know this, those with an open are (at least possibly) going to see that what I propose is a better society. It’s not going to just happen, it’s going to take work, and it makes it a lot more difficult when people like you don’t even consider what I said. Think about it, what harm can that word do if noone is offended by it? Like I said, I don’t think this way because it would allow people to run and say things freely, but so that those who have to listen to anyone that wants to use a word can be free from the anger, humiliation, self-worthlessness, etc. that comes with hearing those things. There’s no place for it in this world, there’s enough negativity to go around as it is without us creating more, and especially something so trivial as a descriptor, a word. Ever hear the term “Don’t shoot the messenger”? Same concept. The word is the messenger.

What you propose is that we go tell everyone in the world “you can’t say that word!” because there is somebody out there who is going to get their feelings hurt. A lot of people say “jew” as a swear, but I don’t hear anyone saying that we should knock that off the list of words allowable on television (or public, same thing for our intents and purposes). First of all, this is a ridiculous notion that we should tell everyone this, and that everyone might comply. Secondly, this does nothing to solve your problem, as I mentioned before. Finally, it’s not right, nor do you have the right, to tell someone they can’t use a word because of how it makes you or someone else feel, just as you don’t want people telling you how to feel. It’s just a word. And moreso, you have made the decision not to like the word, what does that have to do with me?

You are a living example of what I am saying. You don’t have to get mad because someone says a word in any context. You have made a decision somewhere along the way in your path of life that you are going to respond with anger in those situations. Again, what does that have to do with me? Like I said, and the whole point of my “essay”, is this is something you can improve on, not for the sake of anyone else but yourself. It’s a waste of time to get mad at it. It does zero good, and by telling people not to, you are persecuting, which is ten times worse.

My belief, yes, is controversial, and very new, something I was quick to point out. Doesn’t surprise me that you don’t agree, because it is controversial and probably something you have never heard before. Just know that it does take a little separation from yourself and your experiences, as well as a re-evaluation of your way of thinking, at least in part. Not an easy undertaking, but not nearly as difficult when you actually try, I did it all in one shot. All I can do is ask you to consider these thoughts and how it might benefit more people while at the same time, relieving yet another reason for us bi-polar ass humans (yes, I am now insinuating that all humans are bi-polar, and yes, this is also facetious, and no, it’s not any different; still don’t think any bi-polar people are going to cry because some of us don’t fully understand it or because I’m referencing a disease that a person just might have) to go on and kill each other. These words speak nothing to the struggle of life for anyone with a deficiency and they don’t downplay that struggle.

I am almost positive that despite your best efforts, you have made your friends feel less than normal because you went out of your way to make them feel so, a treatment “normal” people don’t get. If not, then at least realize that that is far more offensive than anything I have done or said. Whether you think it or not, in my informed opinion, I am doing more for the cause that you champion because I deal with the heart of the problem, and not with the side-effects. Does this make me or my view right? No. Does it make me wrong that most people haven’t even thought of something this profound? No. Does being in the minority mean I’m wrong? No. Does going against history and common belief make me wrong? No. Does disagreeing with me make you right? No. Does disagreeing with you make me right? No. Does your view and your solution provide a better society? Not in my opinion.

I’d like to remind you at this time that long, long ago when people thought the earth was flat, anyone who went against this “common belief” was labeled a heretic to the state, and the church, and to God, and was put to death. Here we are now in a much more sophisticated society that would be absolutely appalled at this, yet back then, it was the way things were. Can you imagine if things never changed? If we still thought the earth was flat? And that if anyone disagreed they would be put to death? It’s just crazy, but it happened, and even through that those who believed eventually won out, because they didn’t give up. If you can’t see the analogy, then I can’t help you further as both my view and the analogy are examples of the evolution of society. Just because more people think so, doesn’t mean it is right. I guess I’ll let you have to live within your anger, and continue on persecuting people for things you don’t have the right mindset to understand.

And for the record, I did call neokryton and atomslaya both a retard (not that there was any conjecture about it), this doesn’t make them mentally retarded, and, well, I never said anything about people who are, so you tell me what it means. If I’m going to swear at someone, it doesn’t matter what word I insert in the blank, it’s the blank that is the focus, not the word. Besides, nearly every single word has multiple definitions, some of which are offensive, most aren’t, but should we go changing all those because of one that has gotten a bad rep?

One more thing, retard is not the word you are looking for, it is retarded. Which is where that saying came from, people are just too lazy to use the elongated version.