Game ruined by badges. page 2

Originally posted by gotoxy:

Originally posted by galonski64:

Don’t most games need to put in something special to acquire badges for their game?

i guess ton of cash for kong is enought to let TW have badges

I think they need a minimum rating of x over an extended period of time. Don’t know if there are any other requirements. A financial push definitely wouldn’t have hurt :p

or maybe the game really is bollox…
who knows vOv

Originally posted by roemern:

or maybe the game really is bollox…
who knows vOv

for those with a short attention span or those that require an immediate self-gratification then yes, to them this game is ‘bollox’.

This game is by no means fast paced nor action packed nor rewarding in the short term nor friendly to newer players are they are forced to deal with/fight off veteran players from the start. This game is also not kind to those that make mistakes.

If you are a patient person who enjoys seeing progress over a long period of time then this game is great! If you don’t wish to wait more than a few days, and in most cases weeks, for your work to produce fruit then this game will not appeal to you.

those that dont like the game can use there brains and 4 cough why ruin the game for those that like it

write your critisism on a peice of paper and post it in the shredder

So, lets see if I got this straight. You play this game, the game gets badges, you get pissed, and make a thread about it…. Without thinking of the positives.

> Larger player-base means more likely long-term players.
> You get badges! (If you don’t like badges, you don’t deserve to be on Kongregate.)
> Badges mean the game will likely be looked at by staff for in-game items. (Like Dream World or Fantasy Online)

And if you think the game was “ruined” by people who vote 1/5, then you haven’t played it. This is an amazing game no matter the rating. If you’re mad about the rating going down, then you’re mad because nobody is going to play it. Badges let people know that this game is worth playing.

Welcome to Lag World

(we need more hamsters)

Originally posted by TryggrWolf:

Welcome to Lag World

(we need more hamsters)

hamsters ?

Originally posted by steleto:

Originally posted by TryggrWolf:

Welcome to Lag World

(we need more hamsters)

hamsters ?

It’s a not very funny reference to hamsters running in wheels that would then power the machine/server.

Har De Har Har

Originally posted by Doomsday31415:

Originally posted by MrJ17:

The War of Heroes expansion as mentioned a few quotes ago is a good way to get prizes and have fun, spend time, for absolutely no refill and/or timer waiting. “59,436 FREE GAMES!” on Kong, 59435 left for you to play during the very short cooldown you badge hunters look for. Myself, I met the 8 hours cooldowns recently, and I’m much, much farther in the game then anyone who just wants tyhe badges will be.

Clone? Yeah. Cool. Following this logic, Kongregate is a clone of whatever was the first website for gaming ever created. There are similarities, same purpose, etc.

The graphics are poorly made is the worst excuse for not playing a game that ever showed up in this world. The good old Super Mario Bros. is way better rated then most games in existance despite it’s graphics.

You really have no clue what a GOOD game is, do you? A GOOD game doesn’t force you to stop playing just because it wants more money. A GOOD game doesn’t have you do the exact same thing over and over again, with little strategy or skill required. A GOOD game…. is not this.

Have you never played all the other evony clones? THEY’RE EXACTLY LIKE THIS. It’s like someone made apple pie, and now EVERYONE is using the EXACT SAME recipe to make apple pie!

The fact that you would compare this pile of crap to SMB just proves you’re incompetent when it comes to games. This came out DECADES after that game! Standards are higher! The fact that playing SMB would probably be more fun than playing this just goes to show how little time was spent on it! This was thrown together with as little time and money as possible, hoping for a quick buck from idiots who can’t even tell the game they’re playing is a piece of crap.

Badge hunters have already seen this game 5 times…. you expect us to think anything besides “another crappy evony clone”?

Discussing in this thread has turned into we saying something and badge hunters replying “evony clone/asked for high rating”. Reminds me of playing chess with a pigeon, they sh*t on the keyboard and then fly around feeling victorious. I’m not going to burn my time trying to give reasons to like a game to a badge hunter whining because he can’t wait a few days getting other badges in meantime. The badges are easy enough to be done in a week or 2.

Originally posted by Lokigamer:

ok i got tired of reading the same stuff in different posts about halfway down so forgive any of my overlap.

I do not like the badges and how they are. i think we were better without them, however it isnt the worst that could happen. yes it is annoying but we might have needed it.
in the short time it tkes to get the hard badge all non commited players will be gone. yes that will be the majority of players who just joined….but there will still be alot of players who will stay and be hooked. TW has been getting dry with all the players leaving, and we needed more. Badges are annoying but they drew in a huge crownd in a day and more are still here, it more than doubled our population of active players. we went from 3 chat rooms to 8 game chat rooms in 4 days. lets be rough and say we loose 3/4 of the new players, we stiull go from almost 600 players strong to now 850 or so, and thats usually the minimum players who just stick with somethoing based on odds. not only will make it livelier for our once dying community but bring in potentisl customers for pm.

Now i said i didnt like the Badges, why? because i think they are too few and too far to get people interested. 3 badges that more or less are the tutorial and a day worth of time? if i help a newbie they will have hard in just under 5 days! on their own however if these newbies dont play perfectly and have luck they will loose interest from waiting. the game needs either more badges early on to catch their eye and more later to kjeep them going once hooked, or it needs to never have had badges at all. too late to destroy the badges PM put down, so we have to deal with it.

I HATE the wining and there is all types from new especially, but if you wait it out those problems will die off as those who are not going to keep playing (people who are only badge hunters) leave. and that will only be so long. yes there will be more, no they wont be as bad as this again. it will dwindle to a small stream of i ncoming hunters that wont matter to us any longer.
This was an advertisement for TW when we were loosing players, like it or not, it worked. Make the most of it. i have, and ill live to see another fun day of TW with my friends.

Indeed, this post is what brought me to think the badge actually had a positive impact. However, as a former player of near-dying games waaaaaaay before I got to touch Time World, I can say a game with a small, nice population is way better then a game where the population just wants to see the game burn.

Originally posted by nvillian1:

Originally posted by roemern:

or maybe the game really is bollox…
who knows vOv

for those with a short attention span or those that require an immediate self-gratification then yes, to them this game is ‘bollox’.

This game is by no means fast paced nor action packed nor rewarding in the short term nor friendly to newer players are they are forced to deal with/fight off veteran players from the start. This game is also not kind to those that make mistakes.

If you are a patient person who enjoys seeing progress over a long period of time then this game is great! If you don’t wish to wait more than a few days, and in most cases weeks, for your work to produce fruit then this game will not appeal to you.

well, you see… over the years, dare i say since planetarion 12 years ago, we’ve had our share of these kind of multiplayer, foodchain games.
if this is your first and you stuck with it, i can understand your inexperienced view and ofc your desire to not let the past weeks be for naught, is suppose. however, maybe the nay-sayers do have a point and there [i]is[/i] proper ones out there with which you can fill the next 12 years. with everyone riding the pay2win-train these days, i’m sure even longer.
admittedly, this could be conveyed in a more… sophisticated… manner; but i’m quite certain that would not have gotten your attention. this way obv did, with its own thread and everything ^^

Originally posted by roemern:

Originally posted by nvillian1:

Originally posted by roemern:

or maybe the game really is bollox…
who knows vOv

for those with a short attention span or those that require an immediate self-gratification then yes, to them this game is ‘bollox’.

This game is by no means fast paced nor action packed nor rewarding in the short term nor friendly to newer players are they are forced to deal with/fight off veteran players from the start. This game is also not kind to those that make mistakes.

If you are a patient person who enjoys seeing progress over a long period of time then this game is great! If you don’t wish to wait more than a few days, and in most cases weeks, for your work to produce fruit then this game will not appeal to you.

well, you see… over the years, dare i say since planetarion 12 years ago, we’ve had our share of these kind of multiplayer, foodchain games.
if this is your first and you stuck with it, i can understand your inexperienced view and ofc your desire to not let the past weeks be for naught, is suppose. however, maybe the nay-sayers do have a point and there [i]is[/i] proper ones out there with which you can fill the next 12 years. with everyone riding the pay2win-train these days, i’m sure even longer.
admittedly, this could be conveyed in a more… sophisticated… manner; but i’m quite certain that would not have gotten your attention. this way obv did, with its own thread and everything ^^

I’d have to agree with you completely
Hadn’t I been playing since as close to the start as I had then I’d have long since moved on. The game is better for me since I’ve managed to stay ahead of the ‘hump’ that games like this create. I shouldn’t say ‘stay ahead’ as much as I should say riding it.

Are there better games like this? Sure! Would they be as fun joining them this late in the game? Probably not. POV is the true factor in this argument and because of it the argument is different for both.

I’ve played games like this before (Travian, for example). Starting when the game has already started really gives a disadventage, and I really love the attempts from the developer to reduce these dis-adventages that newbies usually have by reducing PvP to only 85-120% power, and general PvP restrictions.

That being said, even though new users aren’t doomed like on many other games like this in the middle, there will always be those that started at the beginning, which is a lot better (not counting insane luck…)

Originally posted by FredrIQ:

I’ve played games like this before (Travian, for example). Starting when the game has already started really gives a disadventage, and I really love the attempts from the developer to reduce these dis-adventages that newbies usually have by reducing PvP to only 85-120% power, and general PvP restrictions.

That being said, even though new users aren’t doomed like on many other games like this in the middle, there will always be those that started at the beginning, which is a lot better (not counting insane luck…)

A lucky player or a player with a considerable (not massive) amount of gold can easily do all a old-timer did in not even half the time.

well leveling heroes with gold does cost quite a bit, and theirs no good way to make up for building lvs, as speed up cards r rly overpriced.

Originally posted by abz329:

well leveling heroes with gold does cost quite a bit, and theirs no good way to make up for building lvs, as speed up cards r rly overpriced.

I burned 55$ in this game and lived without buying speed up cards. There are way better deals indeed.

Really? turn anther thread into gold and money complaining? get back on topic if you are going to post.
And @ MrJ17, the large population will die off after a few weeks for players who dont like the game. those players you said want to ‘see the game burn’ (huge exageration for a point im sure) will likely leave because they only want badges if that and nothing will hold them here.
and to the group that mentioned time waiting, yes thats what this game IS. ‘Time’ world, and it takes time to get anywhere, live with it or dont, you and all those other players who arive or leave have the choice to spend time or not. the game was origionally designed to be a background game. set something to build…..wait….attack someone and set to rebuild…..etc.
that is the game. Badges will take some time with out help, and with help they wont. simple enough yes?
and once again, paying players may get things faster, non paying will NEVER like it, i myself dont, but we live with it. that has little to do with badges, but for what they do, it means they invested in the game and likely plan on staying. that = more actual players who will help feed PM and future galaxies. we will no longer have as many empty inactive zones anymore.
now my full and detailed opinion is already posted, i suggest a few more actually read it to be back on subject, or look at the first 5 posts of the forum as those were not very repetitive either.

I think I’ve been kind of annoyed before when I read a lot of people’s comments that were mostly complaining about “these type of badged game wants our money” sort of thing. I’m used to sticking to one game (Sacred Seasons 2) I liked to play a lot and then I quit after the last year’s update. Reason is, it is very dumb way for anyone who spends that much money on the game that developers not bothering the frequent updates. What more can I ask about the badges also? For me, I don’t (I quit badge hunting).

For TW, I haven’t had a chance to play yet but I may have a small look at it if I’m not too busy. Sorry, guys, but I’m too much falling in love with console gaming online.

Originally posted by MrJ17:

Why this game got badges is beyond me, but badges brought:

> Whiners that don’t like waiting.
> People that rate 1/5 because of the “engrish” used instead of actual gameplay.
> People that grab the badge and rate 1/5 for no appearant reason.
> Whiners coming on chat and spamming “TIS SUX B4LL”.
> Other kinds of annoyances in recently badged MMOs.

If to implement badges in a waiting MMO make sure one of the badges is ridiculously hard to get (impossible badge) so they have to either stick to the game and not leave with 1/5 instantly. Or even better, don’t make badges at all. I got sick of people spamming requests to join my galaxy for the benefits and most have quitted on their first, second or third day of playing. Not to mention all the lag out of people calling the game a bad game and the kind.

We had a smaller but far nicer population then the one we have nowadays.

>Implying the gameplay is good

I gave it a 1/5 because of the shitty gameplay…not because of the ‘engrish’ or because the badge is nothing more than PLAY THIS LONG AND YOU GET 50 POINTS…which is the only reason I’m playing it at all. There’s nothing new, interesting, or fun about time world. This is what happens when you approach art from a business perspective, regardless of the medium.

I mean, cmon; the developers didn’t even make any effort whatsoever to hide the fact that Time World is just a skinner’s box.

Rate 5/5? I don’t think so. But yes, I wish they’d quit badging crap ‘games’ like this…I would no longer have any reason to play for longer than the first hour. But since it uses kreds Kong has incentives to badge. So if you don’t like it, stop spending kreds on the game.

Edit:Oh yeah, and I like how they blatantly stole Starcraft’s style for the first human world…LOL. Had to do it since apparently the only defensive argument to ‘the gameplay is shit’ is because we only look for little reasons to hate it. :)

Originally posted by benodoc:

Originally posted by MrJ17:

Why this game got badges is beyond me, but badges brought:

> Whiners that don’t like waiting.
> People that rate 1/5 because of the “engrish” used instead of actual gameplay.
> People that grab the badge and rate 1/5 for no appearant reason.
> Whiners coming on chat and spamming “TIS SUX B4LL”.
> Other kinds of annoyances in recently badged MMOs.

If to implement badges in a waiting MMO make sure one of the badges is ridiculously hard to get (impossible badge) so they have to either stick to the game and not leave with 1/5 instantly. Or even better, don’t make badges at all. I got sick of people spamming requests to join my galaxy for the benefits and most have quitted on their first, second or third day of playing. Not to mention all the lag out of people calling the game a bad game and the kind.

We had a smaller but far nicer population then the one we have nowadays.

>Implying the gameplay is good

I gave it a 1/5 because of the shitty gameplay…not because of the ‘engrish’ or because the badge is nothing more than PLAY THIS LONG AND YOU GET 50 POINTS…which is the only reason I’m playing it at all. There’s nothing new, interesting, or fun about time world. This is what happens when you approach art from a business perspective, regardless of the medium.

I mean, cmon; the developers didn’t even make any effort whatsoever to hide the fact that Time World is just a skinner’s box.

Rate 5/5? I don’t think so. But yes, I wish they’d quit badging crap ‘games’ like this…I would no longer have any reason to play for longer than the first hour. But since it uses kreds Kong has incentives to badge. So if you don’t like it, stop spending kreds on the game.

Edit:Oh yeah, and I like how they blatantly stole Starcraft’s style for the first human world…LOL. Had to do it since apparently the only defensive argument to ‘the gameplay is shit’ is because we only look for little reasons to hate it. :)

how would you like it if you enjoy a game on kong that has no badges a game you like playing day in day out and the second it gets badges all the whining little turds come swarming it saying the game sucks and they give it a 1/5 how would you feal ? many people who like this game hate seeing noobs that come here just for the badges running there mouth off saying the game is shit show some respect if you dont like the game log off and dont come back

Originally posted by badbat111:

Originally posted by benodoc:

Originally posted by MrJ17:

Why this game got badges is beyond me, but badges brought:

> Whiners that don’t like waiting.
> People that rate 1/5 because of the “engrish” used instead of actual gameplay.
> People that grab the badge and rate 1/5 for no appearant reason.
> Whiners coming on chat and spamming “TIS SUX B4LL”.
> Other kinds of annoyances in recently badged MMOs.

If to implement badges in a waiting MMO make sure one of the badges is ridiculously hard to get (impossible badge) so they have to either stick to the game and not leave with 1/5 instantly. Or even better, don’t make badges at all. I got sick of people spamming requests to join my galaxy for the benefits and most have quitted on their first, second or third day of playing. Not to mention all the lag out of people calling the game a bad game and the kind.

We had a smaller but far nicer population then the one we have nowadays.

>Implying the gameplay is good

I gave it a 1/5 because of the shitty gameplay…not because of the ‘engrish’ or because the badge is nothing more than PLAY THIS LONG AND YOU GET 50 POINTS…which is the only reason I’m playing it at all. There’s nothing new, interesting, or fun about time world. This is what happens when you approach art from a business perspective, regardless of the medium.

I mean, cmon; the developers didn’t even make any effort whatsoever to hide the fact that Time World is just a skinner’s box.

Rate 5/5? I don’t think so. But yes, I wish they’d quit badging crap ‘games’ like this…I would no longer have any reason to play for longer than the first hour. But since it uses kreds Kong has incentives to badge. So if you don’t like it, stop spending kreds on the game.

Edit:Oh yeah, and I like how they blatantly stole Starcraft’s style for the first human world…LOL. Had to do it since apparently the only defensive argument to ‘the gameplay is shit’ is because we only look for little reasons to hate it. :)

how would you like it if you enjoy a game on kong that has no badges a game you like playing day in day out and the second it gets badges all the whining little turds come swarming it saying the game sucks and they give it a 1/5 how would you feal ? many people who like this game hate seeing noobs that come here just for the badges running there mouth off saying the game is shit show some respect if you dont like the game log off and dont come back

As I am not a crytographer I would not FEAL anything.

Joking aside, it’s not anything particularly new. It happens to a lot of games in fact. Rebuild for example was the #1 rated game on kong for a while when it first released until it got badges. Then it dropped back down to 3-4th. But that’s beside the point.

What’s really relevant is why you would give a shit. Does the rating alter your level of enjoyment when you waste your life away playing Time World? Because if the rating is a core part of why you enjoy a game, there is most definitely something wrong.

And as for that last bit, don’t worry: I will drop my 1/5 and never return after I finish Chapter 6 ;) Well, except maybe to point out the non-existent gameplay in the hopes of convincing some people to do something more productive, say playing in traffic or something. As an ex-psych major I feel bad when I see people addicted to stuff like this.

I like how you at least showed an argument different then “The gameplay sucks”.

However, I do have something t trounce what was said. When you mentioned the rating doesn’t matter, well, it got badged because of the rating. To start with.

Games rated low will show up by the end of the “MMO” section, basically dropping the player activity later on. Leads the game to eventually die.

What badbat said is just true. It’s like you playing a game happily, then comes a lot of whiners that instead of getting the badge and leaving forever they rate the game down, complain in chat, ask for help, complain when they don’t get help, fail to go through the storyline, complain about it, just complain off. Seriously…

I think rating a game should require the player at least reaching a point in it, because of how stupid and blindly people rate things down merely because they want the badges quickly and don’t care about the game itself.

Originally posted by MrJ17:

I like how you at least showed an argument different then “The gameplay sucks”.

However, I do have something t trounce what was said. When you mentioned the rating doesn’t matter, well, it got badged because of the rating. To start with.

Games rated low will show up by the end of the “MMO” section, basically dropping the player activity later on. Leads the game to eventually die.

What badbat said is just true. It’s like you playing a game happily, then comes a lot of whiners that instead of getting the badge and leaving forever they rate the game down, complain in chat, ask for help, complain when they don’t get help, fail to go through the storyline, complain about it, just complain off. Seriously…

I think rating a game should require the player at least reaching a point in it, because of how stupid and blindly people rate things down merely because they want the badges quickly and don’t care about the game itself.

totaly agree. But dont worry, PM will find a way to kill his game by himself if those low rating is not enought.

This game is practically a clone in terms of buildings and stuff like that I can list half a dozen games with the same basic play(everything from the tutorial, to even the building names, change the tech names a bit, make up a few races). toss in a bunch of pay-only stuff. its just another near dead pay to win game that only a handful of people still care about (because they sunk in loads of money to win) while the free to play players have mostly migrated off to the next flashier clone before their goldfish attentions span sends them wandering to the next game :D Though the war of heroes is definitely an interesting spin on the typical.

Originally posted by xathil:

This game is practically a clone in terms of buildings and stuff like that I can list half a dozen games with the same basic play(everything from the tutorial, to even the building names, change the tech names a bit, make up a few races). toss in a bunch of pay-only stuff. its just another near dead pay to win game that only a handful of people still care about (because they sunk in loads of money to win) while the free to play players have mostly migrated off to the next flashier clone before their goldfish attentions span sends them wandering to the next game :D Though the war of heroes is definitely an interesting spin on the typical.

i havent put a single penny into the game yet sure im not with the top dogs in power but i have my own playing style which im doing now so im enjoying the game

you dont need real money to enjoy a game

Originally posted by badbat111:

Originally posted by xathil:

This game is practically a clone in terms of buildings and stuff like that I can list half a dozen games with the same basic play(everything from the tutorial, to even the building names, change the tech names a bit, make up a few races). toss in a bunch of pay-only stuff. its just another near dead pay to win game that only a handful of people still care about (because they sunk in loads of money to win) while the free to play players have mostly migrated off to the next flashier clone before their goldfish attentions span sends them wandering to the next game :D Though the war of heroes is definitely an interesting spin on the typical.

i havent put a single penny into the game yet sure im not with the top dogs in power but i have my own playing style which im doing now so im enjoying the game

you dont need real money to enjoy a game

Agreed with Badbat here. This may seem hypocrite of myself as a gold user, but I’ve played quite a period before burning my first money on it. And I never really had trouble, I’ve seen gold users trying to farm the hell out of me and after 2 consecutive losses because I levelled up my emplacement, I never saw the person attacking me, ever, again.

If you play smartly you can maximize your efficency and minimize the need of gold.