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Originally posted by bobby71983:

Give pillars significantly more HP.

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worst idea EVER

that’s just going to prolong the pillars and increase the amount of AP used. The end result will still be the same with the same galaxies making the same rankings except more ap will be spent. Eventually players are going to get stronger, while the pillars stay static, and we’ll be having this same discussion in a month or 2.

 
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Originally posted by nvillian1:
Originally posted by bobby71983:

Give pillars significantly more HP.

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worst idea EVER

that’s just going to prolong the pillars and increase the amount of AP used. The end result will still be the same with the same galaxies making the same rankings except more ap will be spent. Eventually players are going to get stronger, while the pillars stay static, and we’ll be having this same discussion in a month or 2.

I was mostly kidding.

The problem is that pillars are not worth the effort for all but 3 galaxies. The actual benefits of having the pillar are negligible at best, so really the only worthwhile reason to waste your ap trying for this thing is the coupon rewards for placing, and good luck competing with the top 3 galaxies if you aren’t in one of them.

This is mainly why I consider pillars dead content to me. The only way they are worth bothering with is if I am in one of those top 3 galaxies that actually can place tops for coupons.

I think the only solution that makes sense to me is that each galaxy can only attack 1 pillar per 24 hours.(chosen by the leader/vice or whatever) this would make everyone have to spread out more, giving other galaxies chances to get the top spots, lessening the need to raise pillar hps, and just generally making pillars worth doing for the other 99% of players in the game.

 
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the benefit of having a pillar is pitiful. Still competing for ranks 4 to 7 is SOMETHING. Besides the top 3 I barely see anyone 4th or lower doing more than 10mil. Is that because they aren’t trying or is that the best they can do? I don’t know but either way if that’s the best they can do then they don’t deserve anything more than they get and they should be happy that the top 3 are finishing the pillars for them. If that is just them holding back to save ap then again they should be happy that the top 3 are finishing the pillars for them saving them ap in the process at the cost of their own. And with all that saved AP they should be getting stronger by doing PVP. Most of the members in these top 3, as you claim, don’t have a lot of spare AP to just visit and pvp compared to people like you who aren’t even trying(per your own words).

Just because you can’t place 1st to 3rd is a horrible excuse to not even try. Everyone has to grow even if it is slowly based on your abilities. Giving up because you can’t be with the big dogs is a pathetic attitude. You could easily get demon equipment overtime that would make you stronger so you could either help your galaxy do better than they currently do or better gear yourself and then apply for those top galaxies you treasure so much. Really piss poor attitude.

Finally, your solution is HORRIBLE. 1 pillar in 24 hours isolates A LOT of members in that galaxy. You’d pretty much be killing the game for those in Europe compared to USA. You want other galaxies to have a chance at “top spots” and prior to that you said you aren’t even going to try? Sorry but you sound like a real whiner right now. You can’t get top so you don’t try, you want the rules FIXED in your favor so you can get top without being worthy, these are really bad ideas and piss poor attitudes.

 
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You are making wild assumptions with no basis. I don’t even want to hit pillars. You seem to be assuming that I am upset about the current system. I am not. I am not in a top 3 galaxy fully by choice. I’m plenty strong enough for any galaxy in the game. I think pillars are extremely overrated and are just generally not worth the AP, so I choose to not participate in them. I do not join those galaxies because I would rather spend my AP doing PvP and visiting/fighting pirates, which I consider better value for your AP. I am just optimizing my time.

I don’t actually know what galaxy you are in, but with how defensive you are getting, Im going to make an educated guess and assume you are in one of the top 3. Of course you aren’t going to want a change, because that would give you less coupons.

 
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Originally posted by bobby71983:

You are making wild assumptions with no basis. I don’t even want to hit pillars. You seem to be assuming that I am upset about the current system. I am not. I am not in a top 3 galaxy fully by choice. I’m plenty strong enough for any galaxy in the game. I think pillars are extremely overrated and are just generally not worth the AP, so I choose to not participate in them. I do not join those galaxies because I would rather spend my AP doing PvP and visiting/fighting pirates, which I consider better value for your AP. I am just optimizing my time.

I don’t actually know what galaxy you are in, but with how defensive you are getting, Im going to make an educated guess and assume you are in one of the top 3. Of course you aren’t going to want a change, because that would give you less coupons.

assumptions with no basis? they were all your own words,,, but you must have forgot what you just said so never mind then

I’m all for change! Now who is assuming? if whiners don’t participate then the game dies slowly with no new members. Besides, disliking your horrible one sided ideas is not the same thing as not wanting any change at all.

 
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Originally posted by nvillian1:
Originally posted by bobby71983:

You are making wild assumptions with no basis. I don’t even want to hit pillars. You seem to be assuming that I am upset about the current system. I am not. I am not in a top 3 galaxy fully by choice. I’m plenty strong enough for any galaxy in the game. I think pillars are extremely overrated and are just generally not worth the AP, so I choose to not participate in them. I do not join those galaxies because I would rather spend my AP doing PvP and visiting/fighting pirates, which I consider better value for your AP. I am just optimizing my time.

I don’t actually know what galaxy you are in, but with how defensive you are getting, Im going to make an educated guess and assume you are in one of the top 3. Of course you aren’t going to want a change, because that would give you less coupons.

assumptions with no basis? they were all your own words,,, but you must have forgot what you just said so never mind then

I’m all for change! Now who is assuming? if whiners don’t participate then the game dies slowly with no new members. Besides, disliking your horrible one sided ideas is not the same thing as not wanting any change at all.

You assumed that I’m jealous of the members in the top 3 galaxies, and you assumed that I am weak. I made zero mention of either of these things in my initial post. You concluded that me stating a fact that 3 galaxies hoard all the coupons is “whining”. You made plenty of assumptions.

The only change that can be an improvement is if a galaxy is not allowed to hit every pillar. 1 per 24 could be too few, 2 per 24 or 3 per 24 could work, anything is better than 7 per 24.

As things stand, I don’t even know why anyone but 1 8 and 42 even attack pillars. Change needs to made so that it is more enticing for lower guilds to join in. It might end up giving you and your precious g8 less coupons, but the betterment of the game is more important than 3 galaxies coupon income.

 
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Why bother punishing people for being strong, organized and active? If other galaxies had this combination they can still do decently without much a struggle. One of the three has to get 2k coupons, is 1.5k on every pillar really that bad? You shouldn’t be getting top tier rewards for being second rate in my opinion. The pillar structure should not move towards one that denies people on the principle of being too strong because that’s a bad game mechanic.

People should not be losing a portion of pillar wars (considering some of us view it as the main competitive element of the game) simply because we are better.

This is just my 2 cents but honestly I’m not that strong at all relative to a large number of people and if there was another galaxy clustered with people slightly stronger than me and active I could see them taking 1.5k coupons without much hassle or effort. It’s just that of course weaker galaxies are going to get less just like the 4 planet guy is going to get less resources than the 5th planet guy from buildings assuming similar building levels.

 
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Originally posted by waraxe:

Why bother punishing people for being strong, organized and active? If other galaxies had this combination they can still do decently without much a struggle. One of the three has to get 2k coupons, is 1.5k on every pillar really that bad? You shouldn’t be getting top tier rewards for being second rate in my opinion. The pillar structure should not move towards one that denies people on the principle of being too strong because that’s a bad game mechanic.

People should not be losing a portion of pillar wars (considering some of us view it as the main competitive element of the game) simply because we are better.

This is just my 2 cents but honestly I’m not that strong at all relative to a large number of people and if there was another galaxy clustered with people slightly stronger than me and active I could see them taking 1.5k coupons without much hassle or effort. It’s just that of course weaker galaxies are going to get less just like the 4 planet guy is going to get less resources than the 5th planet guy from buildings assuming similar building levels.

Pssss HEY bobby71983!
You should pay attention to what he just said and learn something

 
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funny thing that 2 guys from the galaxys that won’t accept anyone except highend raiding players. ^^

btw – why are you against changes that affects everyone – no matter if strong or weak ? Not beeing allowed to attack every pillar would affect everyone the same… ;)

In my opinion there are 2 things that should be done:

1st) Somehow decrease the damage done by top players. And no – I don’t want to punish them for beeing strong but you should find another algorithm that decrease the gap in damage done between top and somewhat lower players. This way those players and galaxys are still on top, but it will make sure that pillars will last somewhat longer what might be especially after future expansions more and more important.

2nd) Wont affect the time pillars last, but change protectiontime to another count than 24 – maybe change protection up to 26h. Why so ? It would make assure that pillar tames change on a regular basis so that not some regions have rather large benefits in hitting them.

But i have to say somewhat increase coupon gain and just allow a galaxy to gain coupons for 3-4 pillars in a certain time sounds fine to me as well.

And before you start whining again – i might be not in one of the top galaxies, but i can beat enough players to hit your pillar with ease ;)

 
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i really dont care for how long pillars take to take down i i just want the reward to be more worth it

idea
first place 6k coupons
2nd place 4.5k
3rd place 3.5k
4th 2.5k
5th 2.0k
6th 1.5k
7th 1.0k
Rest 200 coupons

 
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So ur suggesting that u can get an entire glxy 200 coups just by tapping a pillar

 
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basically

 
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Originally posted by nvillian1:
Originally posted by waraxe:

Why bother punishing people for being strong, organized and active? If other galaxies had this combination they can still do decently without much a struggle. One of the three has to get 2k coupons, is 1.5k on every pillar really that bad? You shouldn’t be getting top tier rewards for being second rate in my opinion. The pillar structure should not move towards one that denies people on the principle of being too strong because that’s a bad game mechanic.

People should not be losing a portion of pillar wars (considering some of us view it as the main competitive element of the game) simply because we are better.

This is just my 2 cents but honestly I’m not that strong at all relative to a large number of people and if there was another galaxy clustered with people slightly stronger than me and active I could see them taking 1.5k coupons without much hassle or effort. It’s just that of course weaker galaxies are going to get less just like the 4 planet guy is going to get less resources than the 5th planet guy from buildings assuming similar building levels.

Pssss HEY bobby71983!
You should pay attention to what he just said and learn something

This is not necessary. You are both wrong in my opinion.

Your sense of entitlement is absolutely adorable.

 
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Originally posted by Shimone:

funny thing that 2 guys from the galaxys that won’t accept anyone except highend raiding players. ^^

btw – why are you against changes that affects everyone – no matter if strong or weak ? Not beeing allowed to attack every pillar would affect everyone the same… ;)

In my opinion there are 2 things that should be done:

1st) Somehow decrease the damage done by top players. And no – I don’t want to punish them for beeing strong but you should find another algorithm that decrease the gap in damage done between top and somewhat lower players. This way those players and galaxys are still on top, but it will make sure that pillars will last somewhat longer what might be especially after future expansions more and more important.

2nd) Wont affect the time pillars last, but change protectiontime to another count than 24 – maybe change protection up to 26h. Why so ? It would make assure that pillar tames change on a regular basis so that not some regions have rather large benefits in hitting them.

But i have to say somewhat increase coupon gain and just allow a galaxy to gain coupons for 3-4 pillars in a certain time sounds fine to me as well.

And before you start whining again – i might be not in one of the top galaxies, but i can beat enough players to hit your pillar with ease ;)

Silly considering even after we got Shelix we picked up a guy who had 2 green heroes for war but whatever. And lets not mention the people we’ve brought in who were weak. Hell, when I joined I was a big com gimp with 5 crappy blues and got farmed like hell but they still kept me in. The thing is that you know nothing about our galaxies and how they function so I don’t see how you can judge people. For G42 since they are also big hitters, the people in there are nice. While Gotoxy could farm me all day if he wanted to, instead he added me to help me get to 5th planet. We don’t bring people in based off strength alone. While it’s nice that new people are able to compete on some footing with the average player it’s not just raw strength we’re interested in, we have never replaced to my knowledge anyone on the basis of strength.

That’s a bold faced lie and you know it, it changes a mechanism which is applied to everyone but the impact of the mechanism is much different for people hence it AFFECTS people differently. You just want top tier coupon gain without doing half the work necessary.

On your first point (hardly can call it that but I digress), there is a one million damage ceiling, the goal isn’t to reduce people to the same level otherwise you have what you call a bad business model. Maybe try to make yourself stronger? Novel idea I know but it’s attainable.

Spread doesn’t matter, we’ve established this except perhaps in the dead of night for most people then you have a shift but don’t think that’s a good idea.

Coupon gain is fine as it is, if it requires a change that you people are describing than it isn’t a good one for the game.

“highend raiding players” boohoo, and you can beat them meaning it isn’t unfair. We’re just more active.

@bobby, and no substance attached cool. I think your sense of entitlement is adorable as well given you advocate a system that denies the strong galaxies for no real reason other than pillar falling speed.

 
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I would not mind if some galaxies got 100 or 200 coupons just for tapping a pillar… often it could be tough for some galaxies to tap even once… so i am okay with that… and I do not think it would break the game really.

 
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you get 60 coupons a attack on a pillar

whats the harm in a 100-200 coupon reward for trying?

 
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Hard to be entitled when I’m not even trying to gain anything here waraxe. I’m not going to hit pillars unless a MAJOR revamp happens, or until I get to a point where I feel like hitting pillars is the most efficient use of my time, which it currently is not.

If I wanted to hit pillars, I would join 1 or 8 and get a lot of coupons. I don’t know why you are getting so defensive about this.

 
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@waraxe: Well said

Originally posted by Silentwoe:

I would not mind if some galaxies got 100 or 200 coupons just for tapping a pillar… often it could be tough for some galaxies to tap even once… so i am okay with that… and I do not think it would break the game really.

Actually, they would since you gain coupons based on attacking the pillar. Now this doesn’t extend to the point where it gives everyone in the galaxy coupons but it does give the players that try SOMETHING. Remember this game is a revenue source for its creator after all so not everything can be given away for nothing. People should be grateful for what they are given and stop crying over what others can achieve due to the time/effort/$$ they put into this game. It’s insulting.

I’m sure bobby would argue that people shouldn’t even bother trying since they can’t make the top ranks but honestly, there IS a system setup to help those that aren’t in the top 3 regardless of how much bobby’s propaganda says otherwise. The rewards are small but at least it’s SOMETHING. Bobby’s idea of forsaking a few hundred because you can’t get a few thousand is asinine.

@bobby: It’s not a sense of entitlement. It’s a sense of right and wrong while at the same time NOT rewarding someone for their bad behavior. You want a system where all things are equal regardless of time/effort/strength. Sounds a little like communism or even socialism. These ideas/concepts work IN THEORY but unfortunately when you add human nature to the equation the end result is a disaster. If everyone is rewarded equally regardless then what is there to encourage people to try harder or be better than anyone else? Nothing! You’d end up with a lot of people doing nothing and reaping the full rewards from the hard work of others.

You live in a fairytale land filled with make believe. I don’t know how old you are or what you do for a living(if you are even old enough to work) but imagine the education/skill a person must have to become a doctor. Then imagine some little prick saying that they should receive the same benefits/pay as a doctor after admitting that they aren’t even going to try because they don’t think they could do it or they simply just don’t want to(your words EXACTLY).

Now translate this pillars then kindly STFU

You THINK you aren’t entitled yet everything you’ve said/suggested has been purely about YOU and what YOU want and what’s best for YOU and YOUR time. You want us not to be so defensive? Then stop acting like an entitled spoiled little brat.

How long have you even been playing the game? You don’t even participate in pillar raids? With just those 2 concepts, what makes you think you should have an opinion on a subject that has nothing to do with you at all? That’s the definition of “entitlement”.

 
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I’m an adult :P. I have played for 3 months. I have 5 planets, 5 purple fleet heroes and fairly decent skills for a 3 month player who did mostly pvp for 2 of those months. I am new by your standards, but I understand the game as well as one can understand it. I don’t pillar raid because I have done the calculations(mental math, it took like a minute or two) to determine that it is not worth it until I reached a certain threshold. (fun fact, both you and waraxe have passed that threshold :P) I, however, have not. I’m still not strong enough to justify the AP spent on it. I’m very much about optimizing my time in energy based games. Without that energy system I’d be all over pillars.

Won’t respond to the rest of your post since it’s full of made up stuff. Get your facts straight and stop accusing me of things I did not say. I don’t have anything against you(I didn’t even know who you were till this thread), but I am not interested in a flame war. I will go to 4chan or something if I want that.

 
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I don’t mind a top 10 ranks, but if you really want to encourage the weaker and/or inactive galaxies, change the coupons per hit from 60 to 100. Since auctions allow items to be sent in the mail, maybe you could get a random chest with a 1st through 10th ranking too. :P

Most any galaxy could regularly place top 7 if they were active though. g78 used to average 4th or 5th even when it was ranked around 13th because they had a lot of active hitters.

If 6 and 234 had 15-20 people hitting pillars like the most active pillar galaxies, they would be doing very well. They just got people who think res is better than coupons for some reason. ( I always got way way more res than I need…..at least until L31-35 buildings break my bank :P )

BUT THE POINT OF THIS THREAD I MADE

was that pillars are dying in about a minute or less.

This means it’s harder for some galaxies to form a team.

It’s harder to get off many hits for the 60 coupons per run, which especially hurts people who can’t get good ranks.

It means the top galaxies are ranked on speed of internet/computers/clicking more than strength or willingness to use AP.

It makes the entire repair feature and strength degregation of pillars useless when the health added from 5,000,000 ore is gone in a fraction of a second.

AND it makes it difficult for grouped up pillars to get spread out again.

They don’t need to be super hard to kill (when pillar crystals first came out, that was insane :P) but they should get a tiny buff again so they can last at least 5-10 minutes.

 
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Originally posted by bobby71983:

Hard to be entitled when I’m not even trying to gain anything here waraxe. I’m not going to hit pillars unless a MAJOR revamp happens, or until I get to a point where I feel like hitting pillars is the most efficient use of my time, which it currently is not.

If I wanted to hit pillars, I would join 1 or 8 and get a lot of coupons. I don’t know why you are getting so defensive about this.

I don’t mean it to be rude, but I’m saying it’s silly to think the pillar system should be revamped to equal grounds, perhaps more support for the little people based off hits but I don’t think it’s a good system that the top galaxies aren’t able to participate in all of them.

 
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Not to mention pillars wouldn’t die at all if the top galaxies didn’t hit them….and then nobody would get coupons :P

 
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Originally posted by hatemakingnames:

I don’t mind a top 10 ranks, but if you really want to encourage the weaker and/or inactive galaxies, change the coupons per hit from 60 to 100. Since auctions allow items to be sent in the mail, maybe you could get a random chest with a 1st through 10th ranking too. :P

Most any galaxy could regularly place top 7 if they were active though. g140 is ranked 8th in power right now, but is probably the 5th place overall in pillars. g78 used to average 4th or 5th even when it was ranked around 13th because they had a lot of active hitters.

If 6 and 234 had 15-20 people hitting pillars like the most active pillar galaxies, they would be doing very well. They just got people who think res is better than coupons for some reason. ( I always got way way more res than I need…..at least until L31-35 buildings break my bank :P )

BUT THE POINT OF THIS THREAD I MADE

was that pillars are dying in about a minute or less.


This means it’s harder for some galaxies to form a team.


It’s harder to get off many hits for the 60 coupons per run, which especially hurts people who can’t get good ranks.


It means the top galaxies are ranked on speed of internet/computers/clicking more than strength or willingness to use AP.


It makes the entire repair feature and strength degregation of pillars useless when the health added from 5,000,000 ore is gone in a fraction of a second.


AND it makes it difficult for grouped up pillars to get spread out again.


They don’t need to be super hard to kill (when pillar crystals first came out, that was insane :P) but they should get a tiny buff again so they can last at least 5-10 minutes.

im sad hate :(, u forgot to mention g164, the new gal thats almost on par with g78. we are also better then g140 so they are not 5th place >=). ur a bit outdated hate, should look at the dmg more often ;P. we even beat g78 a few times too so we almost there. only problem is, havent reach the 20m+ dmg mark yet :(.

and bob rlly? if u got a problem with top 3 gal hogging top 3 ranks and ignoring the fact about the other 4-7th place then gtfo and stop complaining. if ur not going to try for pillars then dont bother asking for making the top galaxy weaker or giving out more coupons.

gettng 200 coupons for jsut hitting a pillar is too much in my opinion. 100 coupons is good enough. if u dont like it then get stronger and get ur comrades stronger and plow through ranks. thats wat g164 did. we used to be like around 8-10th place and now we can easily get 4th place. wat u need is determination and a good leader. also, recruiting stronger ppl is good ofc, but its usually best to recruit new strong capable players. half of our gal barely started 3-5months ago and they alrdy strong. and they are very loyal at the end because its rlly hard to abandon ur old gal that helped improve ur str ^^.

besides, i love how the big galaxies finishing off the pillars for us ;P. gets more coupons in less amount of time. they should make the ranks bigger tho, top 7 is a bit to small now seeing how theres more competition. if i try and count how many galaxy hitting pillars i would say about 30+ different galaxy can do it and there are more out there thats just sitting there. mayb top 10 or top 15 would work or make 2 diff tiers where the big pillars for hard hitters, and small pillars for small gal. big pillars ofc gives better rewards, smaller gal gives ok rewards. the only problem is how to make it which galaxy is big and which one is small P:.

 
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I believe only G1 should get coupons. No one else.

 
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im sad hate :(, u forgot to mention g164, the new gal thats almost on par with g78. we are also better then g140 so they are not 5th place

yeah I meant 164…I always mix you two up. 140 is the one we farm. :P

But yeah, even a constant 6th place adds up to a 30 day VIP in just 20 days, not even counting the 60 coupons per hit. (7th would be 6000 shy, but 60 per hit, daily logins, and gems should make up the difference)

There is nothing more important that you can be doing than having persistant VIP.