Feeling cheated off my kreds

Hello there,

Let this be a warning to any other people coming from other CCGs, to not fall for the same shady business practice I have fallen.

Having come from another “freemium” CCG, I felt like sinking a few kreds in this to get a few of the so-called “professional set” booster packs, hoping to get a few good cards to help my early progress in the game go faster. These weren’t my first pack purchases though, so I already had more or less a feel of what standard set packs gave. I was very shocked when I saw the cards I got, which were the same I got from standard boosters (and none of them worth a crap, either). Later on, I learned that the “professional set” is pretty much the same as the standard set, with a few extra promo-rarity cards.

So here are my problems with this whole situation:

1) There’s no indication whatsoever in the game of which cards belong to which set.
2) The screwed up concept of “sets”. I wouldn’t define a pack that gives the same cards with a chance of a few additional promo cards as a different “set”. That is extremely misleading.
3) The description of the Pro Booster says “Eight random cards from the professional set with the increased drop rate for ultra rare and promo cards.” For anybody with a regular concept of “sets” this would imply that by buying pro boosters you won’t get standard set cards and vice-versa.

Where I come from, that is defined as shady business practice and I feel completely ripped-off by this whole thing. If I had known about any of this beforehand I wouldn’t have bothered spending a dime on this.

Also, before some smartass starts flaming: no, this isn’t about getting bad cards. If I had gotten bad cards that can’t be gotten from standard boosters, that would be fair game and I’d just blame it on bad luck. However spending money and getting the exact same crap you get on regular packs, when the game completely misleads you into thinking it gives something different is what makes me feel cheated.

To sum it all up, both the standard and professional booster packs are pretty much the same except for a higher chance rate of getting a promo/rarer cards in the professional one.

i think this system is pretty good. if you open standard packs you have a VERY small chance to get promos. if you buy the Pro you have a more realistic chance. I wish they would tell the players the real percentages. and yeah maybe they shouldn’t call these different ‘sets’, because the card pool is the same.

not a really good system… it still leaves for a lot more improvement in that area (better way to getting better cards)… but it’s probably due to lack of card variety (at least compared to other card games I’ve played)… if there are more, then they can expand their booster packs.

In other games I’ve played, they’ve made a separate pack specifically so you can get the better cards (none of those common stuff).

Actually, I think this is the only game I’ve played wherein you buy w/ real money just so you can get a higher % of getting a card (probably in big hit MMOs wherein they have chance boxes but for browser games like this… the business model should be different)

The card pool is NOT the same. Some cards are only found in pro booster. Almost all the great promo card for that matter.

The Dev said in chat before that chance for a promo in standard/elemental pack is 5%. I’ve opened 400 pack and got 6% here so i can confirm that this is true.

Originally posted by tlo_seigi:

The card pool is NOT the same. Some cards are only found in pro booster. All the great promo card

The Dev said in chat before that chance for a promo in standard/elemental pack is 5%. I’ve opened 400 pack and got 6% here so i can confirm that this is true.

which card is only in the pro set then?
(i think you think that it is a different pool, because the devs call it different if the drop chances are different)

The dev them self confirmed that Will-o-the-wisp and Khal something (the swamp girl with battle cry and poison) are pro only.

As for the full list, i dont have it but the dev said they would make it public sometime

Originally posted by tlo_seigi:

The dev them self confirmed that Will-o-the-wisp and Khal something (the swamp girl with battle cry and poison) are pro only.

hmm… Thank you, for the info!

Originally posted by tlo_seigi:

The card pool is NOT the same. Some cards are only found in pro booster. Almost all the great promo card for that matter.

The Dev said in chat before that chance for a promo in standard/elemental pack is 5%. I’ve opened 400 pack and got 6% here so i can confirm that this is true.

It doesn’t matter, it’s not my business to know what devs may have said in chat one day, it’s their business to make all that information I wrote about crystal clear in-game. And even in the off chance I were there when they said that (if they said it with those words), doesn’t change the fact that the way it is presented in-game is still misleading as hell and wouldn’t have helped much.

And I still stand by the fact that charging a bunch of premium currency for just the tiny chance of getting a few different promo cards then from standard packs is very shady practice, especially with all the lack of information and misinformation given by the in-game interface.

Kongregate was good until crapstop bought it. Now all the greedy MMOs are flooding it out with their free-my-hairy-white-ass-free games.

Originally posted by EM1NEM:

Kongregate was good until crapstop bought it. Now all the greedy MMOs are flooding it out with their free-my-hairy-white-ass-free games.

second that.

third. crapstop OP

thanks for the info seigl. and yes, hope they can give a much clearer data on the packs (not that I have any plans on buying the pro set. lol)

Originally posted by OMGWTFFFS:

Originally posted by tlo_seigi:

The card pool is NOT the same. Some cards are only found in pro booster. Almost all the great promo card for that matter.

The Dev said in chat before that chance for a promo in standard/elemental pack is 5%. I’ve opened 400 pack and got 6% here so i can confirm that this is true.

It doesn’t matter, it’s not my business to know what devs may have said in chat one day, it’s their business to make all that information I wrote about crystal clear in-game. And even in the off chance I were there when they said that (if they said it with those words), doesn’t change the fact that the way it is presented in-game is still misleading as hell and wouldn’t have helped much.

And I still stand by the fact that charging a bunch of premium currency for just the tiny chance of getting a few different promo cards then from standard packs is very shady practice, especially with all the lack of information and misinformation given by the in-game interface.

Woah there, take a chill pill. My post wasn’t directed at you. I was simply correcting untruth information circulating around in this thread and answering about the promo % since someone asked about it.

As for how the dev are doing stuff in here, i dont like it either. When i first started i bought 2 archmage box thinking it would be a nice way to start my collection and that i could work on all the missing card from there. When i found out that some card were lock in pro and that you would probably need to throw about 1000$ at this game just to complete the set, i wasn’t happy either.

Imo all cards should be found in standard even if they have a really really low % and pro should only be increasing the %

5% Promo cards? I have a 1% promo card ratio with 1000+ cards, and half of the promos I got from achievements or campaigns.

Originally posted by tilman:

5% Promo cards? I have a 1% promo card ratio with 1000+ cards, and half of the promos I got from achievements or campaigns.

it think it isnt 5% of the number of your cards. It is 5% to open a promo in a pack. so you get one in 20 pack, what means one in 160 cards is a promo in your collection(if you bought no pro packs and we dont count the reward cards).

pay for cards, pay for land, pay for packs, pay for everything……..hmmm… better to pay monthly on a real game. What happened to the days of I payed 20$-60$ once and played all I wanted to? F—k Greed

Originally posted by 547843:

Originally posted by tilman:

5% Promo cards? I have a 1% promo card ratio with 1000+ cards, and half of the promos I got from achievements or campaigns.

it think it isnt 5% of the number of your cards. It is 5% to open a promo in a pack. so you get one in 20 pack, what means one in 160 cards is a promo in your collection(if you bought no pro packs and we dont count the reward cards).

Allright, thanks for the explanation, that makes much more sense.

OMGWTFFFS, I’m pretty sure that standard and professional sets don’t intersect. However, I will check this and reply you here. Regarding the information about card’s set – we are developing the game wiki right now. I hope to have something for you at this week.

Originally posted by AlexBytex:

OMGWTFFFS, I’m pretty sure that standard and professional sets don’t intersect. However, I will check this and reply you here. Regarding the information about card’s set – we are developing the game wiki right now. I hope to have something for you at this week.

I got a butcher from both pro and standard.

Thanks for the reply, Alex.

I do know I drew standard set cards from the packs and experienced players have confirmed in chat that the pro-boosters’ card pool is the exact same, save for a few promos you can’t get in the standard packs.

There is nothing wrong with the content of the packs, IMO. It’s perfectly normal to have stuff that you can get for “free” to be also able to be purchased with cash. You are not buying anything exclusive or raw power, but instead buying “progress” as you saved a lot of time.

There is also technically wrong with the description of the packs.

But yes, it is misleading, it would be better if it was clearly stated on the description that the majority of the card pool is shared.

OMGWTFFFS, I see you’ve purchased three Professional boosters. They are listed below.

All these cards can be found in professional boosters only. You cannot obtain them from standard ones.

[Lightning Catcher, Metamorph, Black Armor, Ulerik, Hermit Mage, Leader of the Centaurs, Nayada, Dirr]:2012-06-09 10:52:18.646

[Mounted Archer, Dwarf Legionnaire, Dwarven Chainmail, Cultist, Lightning Chaser, Wyvern, Free Gunner, Wordak]:2012-06-09 10:51:54.523

[Avedall, Dark Shield, Red Moustache, Akkenian Hunter, Dwarf Armor-Bearer, Trebuchet, Four-Armed One, Vayla]:2012-06-09 10:51:09.783

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To prevent the future speculations we will add a set information to the card details window shortly.

You are right, Alex, my sincere apologies about the part of drawing the same cards from standard and pro-packs. I saw or bought a pre-made squad with a few pro-booster only cards in it, confused it with getting them from standard packs, then saw them on my pro-packs again and thought it were the same sets. I am relieved to know that buying pro-boosters is actually a good move, then.

However this still leaves the part about lack of in-game information about the sets, which is what caused and still causes much confusion, although I am relieved to hear this is going to be addressed soon.