Counter This Card

Basically creating this tread because I’m tired of looking at “revive Kongai please”, or “RIP Kongai” ….

How bout something more interesting like a change in pace and a forum that actually relates to the game? ;)

Rules: (optional)Post picture of the counter to the previous post and how your choice would provide a counter.

Example:

previous pick was Bestor.

next post: Voss

Reason: Voss has a high light defense.

So not that complicated and hopefully some fun to be had :)

ALSO! List what item your counter has if it pertains to the counter

Counter this card

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110107153658/kongai/images/0/0a/Vanessa_Voss_Stats.png!

Click green thingy→Forfeit game

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Alright, What’s a good counter to this card?

one alternative is Vanessa Voss, her innate generally forces Amaya to switch out.

bold VS.

hmm.. Let’s just say for arguments sake that Amaya’s innate locked Voss’s ‘Double Slash’

hmm.. Let’s just say for arguments sake that Amaya’s innate locked Voss’s ‘Double Slash’Turn 1: Amaya uses ‘Ninja Port’ – Voss uses either Feast of Blood, Radiance Burst or rests.

hmm.. Let’s just say for arguments sake that Amaya’s innate locked Voss’s ‘Double Slash’Turn 1: Amaya uses ‘Ninja Port’ – Voss uses either Feast of Blood, Radiance Burst or rests.so far: Distance far
Amaya hp = 55 / 39 / 41, Energy = 85
Voss hp = 55, Energy = 80, 85 or 100

hmm.. Let’s just say for arguments sake that Amaya’s innate locked Voss’s ‘Double Slash’Turn 1: Amaya uses ‘Ninja Port’ – Voss uses either Feast of Blood, Radiance Burst or rests.so far: Distance far
Amaya hp = 55 / 39 / 41, Energy = 85
Voss hp = 55, Energy = 80, 85 or 100Turn 2: Before the start of this turn Voss has to move close or be killed by Amaya’s ’Dark Chi"

hmm.. Let’s just say for arguments sake that Amaya’s innate locked Voss’s ‘Double Slash’Turn 1: Amaya uses ‘Ninja Port’ – Voss uses either Feast of Blood, Radiance Burst or rests.so far: Distance far
Amaya hp = 55 / 39 / 41, Energy = 85
Voss hp = 55, Energy = 80, 85 or 100Turn 2: Before the start of this turn Voss has to move close or be killed by Amaya’s ’Dark Chi"IF < most likely not > Amaya’s innate locked Voss’s ‘Double Slash’ again repeat the previous turn.
else Voss uses double slash – Amaya uses ‘Ninja Port’

hmm.. Let’s just say for arguments sake that Amaya’s innate locked Voss’s ‘Double Slash’Turn 1: Amaya uses ‘Ninja Port’ – Voss uses either Feast of Blood, Radiance Burst or rests.so far: Distance far
Amaya hp = 55 / 39 / 41, Energy = 85
Voss hp = 55, Energy = 80, 85 or 100Turn 2: Before the start of this turn Voss has to move close or be killed by Amaya’s ’Dark Chi"IF < most likely not > Amaya’s innate locked Voss’s ‘Double Slash’ again repeat the previous turn.
else Voss uses double slash – Amaya uses ‘Ninja Port’so far: Distance far
Amaya hp = 55 / 23 / 27, Energy = 70
Voss hp = 40 or 62, Energy = 60, 70 or 100

hmm.. Let’s just say for arguments sake that Amaya’s innate locked Voss’s ‘Double Slash’Turn 1: Amaya uses ‘Ninja Port’ – Voss uses either Feast of Blood, Radiance Burst or rests.so far: Distance far
Amaya hp = 55 / 39 / 41, Energy = 85
Voss hp = 55, Energy = 80, 85 or 100Turn 2: Before the start of this turn Voss has to move close or be killed by Amaya’s ’Dark Chi"IF < most likely not > Amaya’s innate locked Voss’s ‘Double Slash’ again repeat the previous turn.
else Voss uses double slash – Amaya uses ‘Ninja Port’so far: Distance far
Amaya hp = 55 / 23 / 27, Energy = 70
Voss hp = 40 or 62, Energy = 60, 70 or 100The best Amaya can do now is ‘Shadow Curse’ to increase the effectiveness of his innate,
and depending on what Voss had done, move close and slice his head off with ‘Double Slash’…

hmm.. Let’s just say for arguments sake that Amaya’s innate locked Voss’s ‘Double Slash’Turn 1: Amaya uses ‘Ninja Port’ – Voss uses either Feast of Blood, Radiance Burst or rests.so far: Distance far
Amaya hp = 55 / 39 / 41, Energy = 85
Voss hp = 55, Energy = 80, 85 or 100Turn 2: Before the start of this turn Voss has to move close or be killed by Amaya’s ’Dark Chi"IF < most likely not > Amaya’s innate locked Voss’s ‘Double Slash’ again repeat the previous turn.
else Voss uses double slash – Amaya uses ‘Ninja Port’so far: Distance far
Amaya hp = 55 / 23 / 27, Energy = 70
Voss hp = 40 or 62, Energy = 60, 70 or 100The best Amaya can do now is ‘Shadow Curse’ to increase the effectiveness of his innate,
and depending on what Voss had done, move close and slice his head off with ‘Double Slash’…Things that could help Amaya … besides getting lucky ;)
- Scroll of Inner Focus
- Jade Figurine

hmm.. Let’s just say for arguments sake that Amaya’s innate locked Voss’s ‘Double Slash’Turn 1: Amaya uses ‘Ninja Port’ – Voss uses either Feast of Blood, Radiance Burst or rests.so far: Distance far
Amaya hp = 55 / 39 / 41, Energy = 85
Voss hp = 55, Energy = 80, 85 or 100Turn 2: Before the start of this turn Voss has to move close or be killed by Amaya’s ’Dark Chi"IF < most likely not > Amaya’s innate locked Voss’s ‘Double Slash’ again repeat the previous turn.
else Voss uses double slash – Amaya uses ‘Ninja Port’so far: Distance far
Amaya hp = 55 / 23 / 27, Energy = 70
Voss hp = 40 or 62, Energy = 60, 70 or 100The best Amaya can do now is ‘Shadow Curse’ to increase the effectiveness of his innate,
and depending on what Voss had done, move close and slice his head off with ‘Double Slash’…Things that could help Amaya … besides getting lucky ;)
- Scroll of Inner Focus
- Jade FigurineOtherwise ya, I’d say Voss is a great counter :)

^^ no idea wtf just happened

TL;DR

Voss counters Amaya

Counter this Card:

Yoshiro and Ambrosia(ambrosia has 1 light defence but can Vamp Kiss to get back those hp plus immune to burn) comes to mind but it depends on the situation that if you have a faster than 8 attack speed character, the other side will use healing potion early or just switch out, also if you can stun her just one turn even that’s a big threat. coffin nails is a good item for her if you have a high hp character that can take the damage.

Yoshiro Does sound like a good counter.

How bout a counter for him? ;)

Balthazar for Yoshiro

i don’t know if this can be achieved but i was thinking Tafari as a Balthazar counter he has leafy trap and hide but sometimes ppl like to sacrifice hp for a powerful attack and i like to trade blows too. Tafari can also use feather(like elusive feather+hide) or deadly poison card or death mask to his advantage.

Alright, let’s start range at close:

Tafari with ‘death mask’
Balthazar with ‘Ornamental Egg’

General strategy for Tafari – Poison arrow, it deals 14 damage (after Balthazar’s defense) and has a chance to poison.
General strategy for Balthazar – load cannon and hope to shoot it before leafy trap gets applied.

First turn:

Tafari uses hide.
Balthazar uses load cannon or drop kick to avoid next turns ambush from Tafari.

second turn: (if Balthazar doesn’t choose far he looses in turn 3)

Tafari uses leafy trap.
Balthazar uses fire cannon or shot put and hopes for stun.

If the stun happened Balthazar can fire cannon next turn and win,
else leafy trap goes of and even if Balthazar takes the 45 he win’s next turn.

For Tafari to win this match up, the opponent has to make a misplay and let him use ambush :P

Morte maybe ?
At far distance, he can teleport and avoid stun, he also have a premium on successful switch
At close range, his vampiric touch deal heavy damage before being kicked to far

Two problems, first the high energy costs, second the fact he is 1 shot by the cannon, making little room for mistakes

Else, probably Helene

I’d say take Bal head on with Gorbax and null matrix, Remove Balthazar’s egg from the match up and utilize superior ranged firepower with omega missile and machine gun arm

Also anex :)

I disagree that VV is a counter vs Bestor. 1v1 VV will definitely win unless she misses. However, Double strike only does 24 damage. Bestor should always just spam engulfing Flames in this matchup.

Turn 1:

VV: Double Strike
Bestor: Engulfing Flames

End of Turn 1: VV 66 (-4);Bestor 50 (-24 +4)

Turn 2:

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End of Turn 2: VV 58 (-8); Bestor 44 (-24 +8)

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End of Turn 3: VV 46 (-12); Bestor 32 (-24 +12)

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End of Turn 4: VV 30 (-16); Bestor 24 (-24 +16)

End of Turn 5: VV 18 (-12); Bestor Dead

Note that this is what happens in a vacuum. If Bestor has Bracers or if VV Feasts then Bestor lives another turn and VV is dead the turn after.

Also, very significantly, is that if Bestor switches out at ANY time, he will heal 4 hp a turn while VV will still take 4 damage a turn per stack of Engulfing Flame. Essentially Bestor is able to end up reasonably well off if switched out at any time, whereas VV only wins if Bestor trades blows until he dies.

And to counter Anex, Ranec. I CHOOSE YOU!

Hmm…. Anex vs Ranec….
I’ll post my thoughts about that later.

Ok, Anex vs. Ranec, starting range close (the most usual range).

Anex has Sharpening Stone, Ranec has Captain’s Grog Mug

Due to Ranec’s innate Anex uses Enchant Blade. Ranec uses Two-Sword Slash
Turn ends.
Anex: 40 hp, 100 en Ranec 75 hp, 80 en

Ranec uses Two Sword Slash, Anex uses Chakkram Slash.
Two Sword Slash hits first, activating Anex’s innate, raising CS’s damage to (20+8) x 1,5 = 42 dmg.
Chakkram Slash slows Ranec’s attacks by 2, meaning Anex gets to attack first next turn.
Turn ends.
Anex: 10 hp, 100 en Ranec 33 hp, 60 en

In this scenario Anex will win if she hits. BUT if Ranec’s Two Sword Slash would’ve been procced removing Enchant Blade, Anex would’ve done only 30 dmg. Anex would’ve force far, as Ranec had only 60 energy, and then used Boomerang Chakkram, which would’ve done 25×1,5=37 dmg.
Turn ends.
Ranec: 8+25(Grog Mug)=33 hp, 100 en Anex: 10 hp, 40 en

Anex will only win if she crits once in a scenario where Ranec’s Two Sword Slash removed Enchant Blade.

NOTE: With different items there would be very different results.

I’m happy this has taken off so well :)

I think Balthazar (or triple B as I like to think of him…) Would be a much better counter.

First turn load cannon and drop kick until you can unload on her. Even if she gets the two ‘Chakkram Slash’ off on him his fire cannon would be speed 6 and still kill her before can react.

Alright, how what would be a good counter to Cornelius Constantine? I mean him equipped with with Tomes or Girdle is just brutal :<