Who do you consider underpowered? page 2

wei=shan is a har counter to several cards but you better hope that when you choose to use him your opponenets ahve one of those cards. and less and less do you see the martial artists and single hit attackers…

Originally posted by bluntymcsmokes:

The two most in need of some minor tweaks imo are Darla and Wei. Oxbox would be OP if his sandstorm debuffed worked. Yoshiro and Rumiko are two top tiers that often don’t get their due credit.

I play Darla and my SR hovers in the low 40’s. She can be awesome with dubloons

Why are people saying Andromeda sucks? Use her well! She switches range for less energy and can stop others from moving. She is one of the few characters with a 0 energy attack. My three starters were Rumiko, Andromeda, and Ambrosia Thorn.

Originally posted by Chester_Cheeto:

wei=shan is a har counter to several cards but you better hope that when you choose to use him your opponenets ahve one of those cards. and less and less do you see the martial artists and single hit attackers…

Throw bracers on Wei and he now has 3/4/5 defense. If the opponent isn’t using single hit attackers, that much defense is going to cause trouble for them. Pulling Wei-shan out as an end-game finisher when most opponents are damaged is the correct move if he doesn’t have great matchups, since Crippling Palm is so fast. He’s honestly not that bad. Admittedly, though, he has quite a lot of trouble against dual-hit attackers, such as Onimaru, VVoss, Starbuck, etc. as armor doesn’t help much against those and Crippling Palm doesn’t work. But he’ll do fine against almost anyone else.

And people are saying Onimaru sucks now? The witches are so popular and they have like no physical armor. Onimaru gets to use a 25 energy, 8 speed, 30+ damage attack that knocks off buffs on them. How is that considered low tier?

it no question by far is wei this guy is in a lead of his onw.i rather play cain with 50 hp then wei and that not be funny he just that bad

I’d like to defend Higashi for those who think he’s not at least B tier. I used him to get to SR49.

Weaklings:
Darla (she’s a bad Rumiko without the speed.)

Tafari (now that the # of non-physical attacks have gone up, hide+ambush is too costly hp-wise except against players who overextend their energy resources, in the higher skill levels this doesn’t happen often enough. Might be useful in a 1-2 combo with Agathe, but again, he’ll just die.)
Voss (ray of light is a little unbalanced at 70, to me)
TBO-K9 (i’m sure he has a purpose, but I can’t seem to find it. Helene killer maybe? He does have that deafness bark.)
Sophie. I’d rather have a stacking 4×4 burn effect than a non-stacking 8×4 and she dies… fast. She’s got 0 physical and light defense; this plus circle of shadows being close-range makes her.. dicey, at best. Not saying she isn’t useful… I just can’t keep her alive long enough to be useful more than once (I don’t have the periapt.)

Popo suffers from the same problem as tafari, he used to be top-tier (if you play by percentages) but now I’d put him in the middle. Mostly he’s something that will either make or break you really fast. Which is fun.
Eva, I like eva… but she always seems to die.
I need to play with Ranec Vest more, I can’t tell if he’ll suck or rock.
Andromeda is good, vicious even, just never put her first in the line-up. I’d say looking at Auger though, she’s underpowered… or he is overpowered (9 speed interrupt attack for 36 damage and 30 energy? um… ow. )

The weakest, most underpowered character for me by far though is:
Zina, The Beast Mistress
I have yet to use her successfully or encounter someone who did. She’s almost there, she needs a tweak in any one of these areas: resistances (2/2/2 doesn’t help her against anyone really and with her huge energy costs, she needs to be able to take a punch), HP (70 is dead average, see previous), tiger-pounce (drop 5-8 damage, 10 energy from it to give her a usable attack), or eye of the tiger.
Really, her eye of the tiger is one of the most inefficient moves of the entire game, dealing 40 damage to only 1 target with no buff or debuff action for a 2:1 energy/damage ratio. Compare to Phoebe’s deafening crack, same ratio, plus a debuff and essentially allows you to regen 10 energy/turn. The inability to select a target means it has a high chance of being even more inefficient as the game progresses (hitting a char on the bench with 13 hp even though the person in front of you has 36 and is about to kill you.) Her next cheapest attack at close range is 40 energy for 28 damage, and her long range attack has no stopping power. She is at the mercy of her opponents range changes because her moves cost too much. 30 energy after killing an opponent doesn’t help… since she can’t really kill anyone on her own without a lot of luck. Gorbax is significantly stronger with more hp, ability to convert HP, and better damage/energy ratios (without lock-on). He’s Zina, just better in pretty much every way.

I humbly reverse my position on Zina being weak. After being schooled several times I have realized the error of my ways. She’s perfectly fine with the tiger claw against multi-attack opponents. The things we learn.

tafari is still the best card in the game cause his innate

if i could have an all tafari deck i would

I’ve actually done fairly well with Tafari and Zina (with poison), back when I played. Start with Taf, cloak, opponent goes far, switch to Zina, then start spreading poison throughout your opponent’s deck.

TBO-K9 is my favorite card. I use his inate to wreak havok on people specializing in range or close attacks so they can’t hit me. Then I use Uplifting Yelp to use abilities with really high energy cost twice in a row (Chi Blast anyone). The only problem with him is making sure you don’t get intercepted after Uplifting Yelp. You can either use mind games to figure out when they will intercept or use Self-Destruct to end with a bang.

i think that almost EVERY player after you use ibo KNOWS you want to switch to a card like that…

Eva Bovary is quite weak, but her move, Head Over Heels depends on the person, and the move he hits himself. Other then that, Eva is really weak! Kiss, Searing Touch, and Fiery Passion.

wei-shan: the most useless card ever created. He cannot win against any card one on one. And his attack’s side effect is too weak to last only 3 turns.

eva bovary: weak defence and weak attacks. Head over Heels cannot interrupt any nuke except maybe a pilebunker, with a speed of 4. Good innate yet too unreliable.

Popo: you can’t say he’s bad. He’s the best if you got luck. Yet if you don’t, forget it. He’s the most unreliable card ever made.

The big robot (forgot the name): you have to lock first which wastes one turn and cancels his hp advantage. Plus all his attacks are quite energy consuming. you will soon be out of energy and get hit again. He is quite easy to kill despite his high hp and def.

Originally posted by lolieatu:

wei-shan: the most useless card ever created. He cannot win against any card one on one. And his attack’s side effect is too weak to last only 3 turns.

eva bovary: weak defence and weak attacks. Head over Heels cannot interrupt any nuke except maybe a pilebunker, with a speed of 4. Good innate yet too unreliable.

Popo: you can’t say he’s bad. He’s the best if you got luck. Yet if you don’t, forget it. He’s the most unreliable card ever made.

The big robot (forgot the name): you have to lock first which wastes one turn and cancels his hp advantage. Plus all his attacks are quite energy consuming. you will soon be out of energy and get hit again. He is quite easy to kill despite his high hp and def.

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Disclaimer: I am not that great at this game. But it’s fun to talk about it.

Eva: true, Head Over Heels can’t interrupt much, but because it has no cooldown you can effectively lock some characters out of using certain moves (e.g. Power Toss if Anex doesn’t have Charm, Rush of Bats, Hallucinogenic Incense). It’s also funny to make a Juju Touch of Doom himself or a Margo Hallucinogenic Incense herself or something like that. Also relatively good against Zina, since you can either make her knock a Mistress’s Command off herself or Eye of the Tiger someone on the bench. Also, Fiery Passion, since it hits fleeing, is awesome against some characters (vampires excluding voss, certain witches). Though she does have problematic match ups against like… Bestor, Yoshiro, Rumiko, … yeah, a little underpowered, but don’t know if I’d put her in the crap tier.

Popo: if your opponent has Ambrosia with Girdle, you literally cannot do anything with Popo against her and have probably lost. However, feather Popo can annoy depending on the opponent’s team.

Sophie: wouldn’t put her on the weaklings list either. Circle of Shadows destroys some teams, especially with her innate, and her DoT attacks are great as long as she’s not like, the last person on your team.

Sadie: the worst character, maybe. The worst defences in the entire game (except like, Sophie’s). Her innate is Zina’s, except it doesn’t give energy, which she desperately needs, and only affects 2 of her moves. Terrible energy game. All moves multihit (meaning blood burn or Heartache Cocktail gives her lots of trouble). Her only fast move requires a lot of energy, and doesn’t even do that much damage. Hard to synergize her with anyone at all (maybe Ubi?), and really… doesn’t offer ANYTHING special at all.

Cain: isn’t bad, but he always seemed like a weaker CC to me.

Originally posted by iceysnowman:

Disclaimer: I am not that great at this game. But it’s fun to talk about it.

Eva: true, Head Over Heels can’t interrupt much, but because it has no cooldown you can effectively lock some characters out of using certain moves (e.g. Power Toss if Anex doesn’t have Charm, Rush of Bats, Hallucinogenic Incense). It’s also funny to make a Juju Touch of Doom himself or a Margo Hallucinogenic Incense herself or something like that. Also relatively good against Zina, since you can either make her knock a Mistress’s Command off herself or Eye of the Tiger someone on the bench. Also, Fiery Passion, since it hits fleeing, is awesome against some characters (vampires excluding voss, certain witches). Though she does have problematic match ups against like… Bestor, Yoshiro, Rumiko, … yeah, a little underpowered, but don’t know if I’d put her in the crap tier.

Popo: if your opponent has Ambrosia with Girdle, you literally cannot do anything with Popo against her and have probably lost. However, feather Popo can annoy depending on the opponent’s team.

Sophie: wouldn’t put her on the weaklings list either. Circle of Shadows destroys some teams, especially with her innate, and her DoT attacks are great as long as she’s not like, the last person on your team.

Sadie: the worst character, maybe. The worst defences in the entire game (except like, Sophie’s). Her innate is Zina’s, except it doesn’t give energy, which she desperately needs, and only affects 2 of her moves. Terrible energy game. All moves multihit (meaning blood burn or Heartache Cocktail gives her lots of trouble). Her only fast move requires a lot of energy, and doesn’t even do that much damage. Hard to synergize her with anyone at all (maybe Ubi?), and really… doesn’t offer ANYTHING special at all.

Cain: isn’t bad, but he always seemed like a weaker CC to me.

I agree with you. I changed my mind about eva after actually using her for fun. She’s actually pretty good. Pretty fun to play since she has a lot of unpredictable options. (love first turn, heels over head option, etc.) But Sadie is definitely not the worst. the worst is wei shan. He needs to be updated badly. :D

To win with Gorbax, u gotta use the z-phase converter, with his high HP, an his high energy consumption, the converter will help. trust me, i use gorbax with almost all my decks, and i never leave him without the converter

I think Marvin has the best synergy for Sadie (if you really want sadie)
demon claws are the only interesting thing about her