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The Bible Says Slavery Is OK

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“When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.” – Exodus 21:20-21

Discuss how it’s not only OK to have slaves, but it’s also OK to beat them as long as they don’t die within a few days. Reading more on the topic of slavery from the bible, one will find it’s actually immoral for a slave to disobey a master, and a slave should fear his master as he would Christ.

“Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ” – Ephesians 6:5

I used to be OK with the bible because I thought it was at least a decent moral guide for some people, even if others actually take it literally. It turns out I was way off. If you are interested in learning more about how slavery is good or about how women should basically be slaves to men, pick up a copy of the bible today!

Does anybody have more fun quotes from the bible about morally reprehensible things that are perfectly OK?

 
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These quotes have been overused in arguments so often that nobody rational should care any more.

 
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Nobody likes the bible on the internet >→
But bring this to SD and you might get a serious response.

 
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Originally posted by TheInternetRules:

These quotes have been overused in arguments so often that nobody rational should care any more.

If the Bible shouldn’t be taken into account when arguing about Christianity, then what, pray tell, should be?

 
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Originally posted by SpearDudezor:

If the Bible shouldn’t be taken into account when arguing about Christianity, then what, pray tell, should be?

There are plenty of issues modern Christians take stances on that are never mentioned in the Bible. For example, there’s gay marriage and abortion.

 
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Originally posted by AlextheGreat13:
Originally posted by SpearDudezor:

If the Bible shouldn’t be taken into account when arguing about Christianity, then what, pray tell, should be?

There are plenty of issues modern Christians take stances on that are never mentioned in the Bible. For example, there’s gay marriage and abortion.

I know, but then it’s Christianity only in name.

 
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Yes, but aren’t most Christians Christian in name only?

 
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Originally posted by AlextheGreat13:

Yes, but aren’t most Christians Christian in name only?

Yeah…that’s why I don’t have a problem with most “Christians”, only with the religion itself and those who truly follow it.

 
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Hi guys.

I don’t want to argue, just clear up a couple of things here:

1. The slavery that we know today is different from the slavery back in Bible times.

Today, we think of slaves as people who are captured then sold to others as slaves. If we went by that definition, even Moses would never have allowed it! See Exodus 21:16

So what did Moses mean about slaves then? Well, back then the government didn’t really bust you out when you were in trouble. What actually happened was that when you needed money, you sold yourself to work for other families if you were desperate for cash. (See the Parable of the Prodigal son for example.)

With this in mind, remember that the people who stood up for black slavery were people who often quoted from the Bible.

Ever watch the movie “Amazing Grace”? The guy who played as the leader from the Fantastic Four is the star there.

2. The Bible gives these “slaves” a LOT of rights.

Even if we stick to the Old Testament, the Bible goes against the culture of the time and instructs slave to have rights, unlike the other cultures around them. One example is the right that you listed back in Ex 20:20-21. If a slave is killed by their master, then justice prevails and they are to be avenged. If you can’t prove homicidal intent, then the benefit of the doubt goes to the slaveholder.

Another big one is that after being a slave for certain amount of time, they can go free! Exodus 21:2 says they are to be released every seven years of service and Leviticus 25:29-31 says that if the year of the Jubilee came first, then they’re free to go too. In other words, Moses says that slavery is never permanent (unless they want to). Solomon even encourages people to pamper their slaves (Proverbs 29:21).

3. Slavery is not antiquated.

If you look outside your rosy first world problems, you’ll see that in most of the world there is still a lot of slavery going on. Both the just and the unjust kind. Please help fight for human rights and also spread the word among your friends!

4. Google is your friend.

Before you ask any more questions, check these out:

God and science

Answers in Genesis

Hope that clears things up!

 
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I don’t think slave means what you think it does. Back then people would volunteer to be slaves to pay off a debt but they had rules as to if you could beat them. This went around babylon however the other type of slavery is when you force somebody to work or harsh punishments. Slavery in babylon wasn’t bad.

http://www.evilbible.com/

This website has them all.

my favorite

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. “Go up baldhead,” they shouted, “go up baldhead!” The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24

 
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Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces.

dafuq

 
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cool, who wants to be my slave?

 
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@FlyingPachyderm

If you look outside your rosy first world problems, you’ll see that in most of the world there is still a lot of slavery going on. Both the just and the unjust kind.

Just slavery? What the hell is this?

Today, we think of slaves as people who are captured then sold to others as slaves.

What about Joseph from Genesis? His brothers were sick of him flaunting his coat of many colors, so they just sold him to the Egyptians.

 
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we muslims had slaves too but we always treat them well. for example we let all those balkan christians be super soldiers elite soldiers who had a super good education.

edit: and when they were too old they mostly got became an important person like vizier of the sultan or owner of some land.

 
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Originally posted by Rolby:

we muslims had slaves too but we always treat them well. for example we let all those balkan christians be super soldiers elite soldiers who had a super good education.

…and then sent them to kill their own families

 
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Originally posted by SpearDudezor:
Originally posted by Rolby:

we muslims had slaves too but we always treat them well. for example we let all those balkan christians be super soldiers elite soldiers who had a super good education.

…and then sent them to kill their own families

wtf we didnt. we only had slaves from conquered regions.

 
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Originally posted by Rolby:

we muslims had slaves too but we always treat them well. for example we let all those balkan christians be super soldiers elite soldiers who had a super good education.

Treating slaves well is not a good justification for slavery. In the end, it’s still one person owned by another who forced to act against his or her will.

 
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Originally posted by Rolby:
Originally posted by SpearDudezor:
Originally posted by Rolby:

we muslims had slaves too but we always treat them well. for example we let all those balkan christians be super soldiers elite soldiers who had a super good education.

…and then sent them to kill their own families

wtf we didnt. we only had slaves from conquered regions.

Well, we know the stories told by the regions we come from. In Bulgaria, we were told that the Ottoman empire took kids from the families of their enemies and had them fight their families when they grew up. I don’t know what the truth is, though.

 
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Slavery as a definition wasn’t accepted among Christians after the fall of the Roman Empire. However, bear in mind that the Bible was written before the fall of Roman Empire and during this time, the culture of antics influenced the context of the Bible. During this time, slavery was allowed.

After the Roman empire fell apart, slavery vanished from almost entire Europe as Christians condemned slavery of Christians as immoral. And of course, Christianity and the church was the top dog of entire Europe of that and everybody had to be Christians. Religious freedom was unknown term.

However, while slavery itself wasn’t allowed, it was replaced by serfdom. If you were a serf, you weren’t allowed to move away from your home and you had to pay taxes to your lord. Practically, this meant you were bound to farm land, which essentially is slavery but according to definitions, it wasn’t because you weren’t anybody’s property and you still could change profession, although, it was very difficult due to taxation and rural living area.



When voyages of expeditions began, Christians faced new kinds of humans. These humans were another race to them. For Christians, they were inferior, impure and savageous in every way. Since the Bible allowed slavery and human rights were almost non-existing among “common” people, it was natural for Christians conquistadors to enslave the natives of newly found lands who were not Christians and therefore inferior (The Bible indirectly states that too or it was interpret wrong).

Riches such as gold, gems and exotic plants and animals were found from these new lands and they wanted to be transported into Europe. But first, you had to extract/harvest these goods and for that, slaves were used to do that task.

So what did end slavery? Well, it never ended and it still widely exists but slavery, by definition, was officially forbidden at around 1850 in most countries. This was fueled by the thoughts of the philosophers and the important persons who influenced the community with the thoughts that supported human rights. It isn’t no surprise that these thoughts and ideas got a lot of support among most people; The common people such as peasants, serfs and any other person outside from the classes that had “priviledges”

Slavery still exists nowadays. It’s just in different forms and is mostly present in poor countries where slavery is still necessary or a cheap alternative to gain cheap labor force for oppressors. In most cases, a person who is unofficially considered as slave does gets paid for his/her job but sadly, the wages are ridicilously low and that person often has no choice of leaving (because that person is often threated or blackmailed) unprofitable and tough job, even though no government supports bound jobs or illegaly low salaries and poor working conditions

The difference between old and modern slavery is that modern slavery is illegal so it is hidden with various ways, which gives slaves some rights, alas, very little which is not considered as humane. Old slavery was publicly accepted among most Christians and someone could brag about being a rich slave trader without getting arrested

If you ask me, I don’t think anyone would appeal in religion when it comes to slave trading a.k.a human trafficking nowadays. They do it because of greed. And in addition, religion has lost importance in modern western societies

Sorry if I got little bit too excited
TL;DR – Slavery is accepted among Christians but is no longer accepted among modern society across the globe

 
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Take this shit to SD where it belongs.

 
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rember when it was 1st writing many people ownd slaves and was normal and nobody cared and seen as ok. this is now 21 century and we are now agenst slaves and beating people coz they did bad job

 
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Originally posted by Hallucent:

Take this shit to SD where it belongs.

agreed this is not a off topic thing

 
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Wait, it isn’t?
I’ve done something I shouldn’t have.

 
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Let’s face it, the Bible is often rubbish.

 
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’MURICA.

Land of the free and home of the slaves.

Hell yeah.

Originally posted by doomteen17:
Originally posted by Hallucent:

Take this shit to SD where it belongs.

agreed this is not a off topic thing

“Ohgod this topic is controversial and requires thinking rather than blatant shitposting, what ever will we do!?”