Shard of Freedom Stacks?!?!?

I just played an opponent with 8/6 SoF in their deck in silver arena. it was unwisdomed (mark and hp were maxed) and apparently the SoF stacks. instead of only 25% and 50%, it was clearly boosted to 200% and 400% as Rain of Fire and Pandemonium (x3) were all evaded in one play. I couldnt snipe their creatures with the bow i stole nor could my otys eat their creatures.

Clearly SoF needs to be nerfed to 10% and 15%. its one shard that has too much power (or limit shards to 2 each per deck)…

To your question, Yes SoFree can be stack. Why should SoFree be nerf as your opponent used his skill points to double his deck which gave him more then 6 SoFree leading to the mass stacking.

Perhaps it could be nerfed via AI never playing more than 6 shards of freedom, similar to the way they nerfed SoSacs.

Originally posted by Moraku:

Perhaps it could be nerfed via AI never playing more than 6 shards of freedom, similar to the way they nerfed SoSacs.

Well this works better then nerfing the card itself.

Originally posted by Moraku:

Perhaps it could be nerfed via AI never playing more than 6 shards of freedom, similar to the way they nerfed SoSacs.

that still gives too much of an advantage: 150% and 300% vs 60% and 90%. the opponent of a 6-stacked SoF should have a CHANCE to CC a field full of flying creatures with pandamonium or RoF (or any other aoe) as well as at least a 10% chance to snipe/eat/mutate (etc) the creatures. we have enough immortal creatures in the game (immortal, phase dragon, anubis, turq nymph, quint). at least the shields control the immortals. SoF makes too many immortals with DOUBLE damage. thats just too much power for cards that stack.

at least make it non-stackable like nightfall/eclipse. im sure those had to have been nerfed to not stack at one point in time.

OR limit shards (and nymphs) to ai4, gold, plat, and pvp2 since theyre op for anyone else who doesnt have any upped cards (meaning partial upped decks, or unupped cards altogether).

OFF TOPIC: since relics are given in place of nypmhs, then nymphs should be purchaseable via “n relics”. another form of “currency” for the sole purpose of buying shards and nymphs (non-upped for non-upped, upped for upped). getting relics is just as rare as getting shards in a normal spin (non-special spins) so getting a certain amount for that one nymph/shard will make it worth it for people who cant get them any other way.

It needs only 4 for 100%.
And no, it shouldn’t be nerfed, just try to rush it.

OR limit shards (and nymphs) to ai4, gold, plat, and pvp2 since theyre op for anyone else who doesnt have any upped cards (meaning partial upped decks, or unupped cards altogether).

This is false, Having rares does not always ensure you a win (he/she himself/herself can have these rares un-upgraded) vs a upgraded or even partial upped deck/un-upped deck as the opponent can also use these rares aswell. Stop complaining just because you don’t have the cards and grind for them yourself because it seems you haven’t played much to know what’s OP and what’s not.

OFF TOPIC: since relics are given in place of nypmhs, then nymphs should be purchaseable via “n relics”. another form of “currency” for the sole purpose of buying shards and nymphs (non-upped for non-upped, upped for upped). getting relics is just as rare as getting shards in a normal spin (non-special spins) so getting a certain amount for that one nymph/shard will make it worth it for people who cant get them any other way.

No, Nymphs are a higher level then shards and rarity should not be compared and that’s why you only gained them from the oracle or as a prize from the official forums events. Getting relics are not as rare as shards because even Level 3’s gives Relics which you don’t see shards being given out from that level. Relics were made as a replacement for Nymphs/Foil artwork/Marked Cards because they were to be the rarest of the rare and not be given out easily. Relics are meant to be useless and lets leave it as that and stop trying to chance the value of rares within the game because it isn’t meant to be easy to gain and that’s why Top50 was removed due to the farms.

This is false, Having rares does not always ensure you a win (he/she himself/herself can have these rares un-upgraded) vs a upgraded or even partial upped deck/un-upped deck as the opponent can also use these rares aswell. Stop complaining just because you don’t have the cards and grind for them yourself because it seems you haven’t played much to know what’s OP and what’s not.

missing the point entirely. before the update, ai3 was fairly easy to farm with imorush (i won about 70%). even with the dark deck i started with, i won 50% roughly. now i cant even win more than one out of about 13 with that same deck (imorush). ai usage of nymphs and shards IS op for starters first of all. there should be absolutely no reason for beginners to have such a difficult time with ai3 now vs when i started.

first of all, im not complaining. im merely pointing out the fact that this game went from entertaining to boring with the struggle of the new ai decks. just cuz you started early mr million, and have all your cards doesnt mean you can talk down to people who come up with ideas to make the game fair to the rest of us. and, uh its impossible to farm nymphs now cuz relics can only be gained in their place. if nymphs cant be gained via spins, take them out of the ai decks or limit them to ai4, fg, gold, plat, and pvp2. ALSO, if relics replace nymphs in spins, then its obvious they are just as hard to get as the rarity would be the same as that of a nymph.

i can guarantee you im not the only one who feels this way as ive talked to people in pvp1 who feel the same way and they play on the official site obviously since they knew nothing about kong.

No, Nymphs are a higher level then shards and rarity should not be compared and that’s why you only gained them from the oracle or as a prize from the official forums events. Getting relics are not as rare as shards because even Level 3’s gives Relics which you don’t see shards being given out from that level. Relics were made as a replacement for Nymphs/Foil artwork/Marked Cards because they were to be the rarest of the rare and not be given out easily. Relics are meant to be useless and lets leave it as that and stop trying to chance the value of rares within the game because it isn’t meant to be easy to gain and that’s why Top50 was removed due to the farms.

ummm lets think about why ai3 gives relics… oh yea! they have nymphs. so of course relics MIGHT be rewarded in spins…

im not saying to put nymphs back into the spins, just take them out ai3 decks and limit them to categories that average players have a chance against them (being people who played 4 or more months). ai2 is lame to farm and nobody does that that ive ever seen in a while, even now.

and nowhere in my post did i say that the value of the rares was to be changed. what i was saying is that if a person was to attain, say 8 relics, they can trade those in for a cheap shard, 30 relics for a cheap nymph. and the prices of relics per shard/nymph go up for the better shards/nymphs. SoD and SoSac are highly sought after so their cost should be 45 or 50 relics each.

if you feel threatened by ideas and have the desire to call them complaints, then you obviously have a lot of priorities and prerogatives to clear up so you can be more open-minded and see the difference between opinions, ideas and complaints.

missing the point entirely. before the update, ai3 was fairly easy to farm with imorush (i won about 70%). even with the dark deck i started with, i won 50% roughly. now i cant even win more than one out of about 13 with that same deck (imorush). ai usage of nymphs and shards IS op for starters first of all. there should be absolutely no reason for beginners to have such a difficult time with ai3 now vs when i started.

I can tell you’re very new to this game if you think AI3 has shards which it doesn’t as you can visit, All AI3 Decks. If you also notice AI3 were improved because they were out of date as they contained all the game’s old cards and none of the new cards that came later one. You can’t expect for a Level to be out dated and stay like that forever but infact you must improve your deck by either changing the cards in it or upgrading your cards. AI3 only plays Nymphs when it’s late in the game therefore meaning your deck has to be slow so try and cut the deck down to 30 cards if you haven’t.

first of all, im not complaining. im merely pointing out the fact that this game went from entertaining to boring with the struggle of the new ai decks. just cuz you started early mr million, and have all your cards doesnt mean you can talk down to people who come up with ideas to make the game fair to the rest of us. and, uh its impossible to farm nymphs now cuz relics can only be gained in their place. if nymphs cant be gained via spins, take them out of the ai decks or limit them to ai4, fg, gold, plat, and pvp2. ALSO, if relics replace nymphs in spins, then its obvious they are just as hard to get as the rarity would be the same as that of a nymph.

The game did not becoming boring but the fact is it was rather easy (AI3) and needed to be more challenging. I don’t understand why you expect AIs to have the same deck for years, Seems you don’t like balance but if the Ais can’t use the new cards why should their even be new cards added? I don’t brag about my score as you can ask anyone on the Elements chat about that and I do not have all the cards in-game so please get your facts straight. I don’t talk down to anyone but rather assist/help others if you even known me or my work for this community. Have you notice that you’re saying you want to farm Nymphs when they were not meant to be as their very rare cards which are only gained from the Oracle/Reward for winning events on Official Forums. You’re wrong again If relics has the same rarity as Nymphs then it would be useful and not a filler and anyone can make a 30 card relic deck in PvP and FARM it and gain a mass amount of relics and USE your idea and TRADE them in for nymphs which DEGRADES the value of Nymphs. About limiting Nymphs in decks well no that isn’t going to happen as it’s a rare and people earned it and would like to use it. You do know HB decks are random based on the elements within its deck right?

i can guarantee you im not the only one who feels this way as ive talked to people in pvp1 who feel the same way and they play on the official site obviously since they knew nothing about kong.

Well I can guarantee you that if you’re not willing to grind for shards then it’s at your lost which you’re making it bad for those who has it so until you have shards of your own and experience it then I would suggest to look back at your idea.

im not saying to put nymphs back into the spins, just take them out ai3 decks and limit them to categories that average players have a chance against them (being people who played 4 or more months). ai2 is lame to farm and nobody does that that ive ever seen in a while, even now.

Get a better/faster deck because right now even with the Ai3 update their still easy to beat. If you win fast you wouldn’t see the Ai3 even playing its Nymphs. Getting a speedbow upgraded will assist you.

and nowhere in my post did i say that the value of the rares was to be changed. what i was saying is that if a person was to attain, say 8 relics, they can trade those in for a cheap shard, 30 relics for a cheap nymph. and the prices of relics per shard/nymph go up for the better shards/nymphs. SoD and SoSac are highly sought after so their cost should be 45 or 50 relics each.

Once again you’re not seeing my point of value of ultra rare cards, Right now Nymphs are gained from the Oracle (In-game) By you trading in Relics for a “Cheap Nymph” (I have no idea how you say Nymphs can be consider as Cheap) you will basically gained 6 of each Nymph in a matter of days. Like I said in above posts 30 relic deck > PvP > Friend farms relics > Trades in for all Nymphs. I heard of players with 100+ relics (100 may be to little) which devalues Nymphs of being ultra rare as it has now gotten so easy to gain with your idea. Relics for Rares is like a trading system which Zanzarino already said their will be no such system in this game.

if you feel threatened by ideas and have the desire to call them complaints, then you obviously have a lot of priorities and prerogatives to clear up so you can be more open-minded and see the difference between opinions, ideas and complaints.

I don’t feel threaten by your idea but it will unbalance this game making it easy and having rares freely gained by anyone without having to try. I am open minded but not to ideas like yours which isn’t needed. < (Based on experience from playing from the start).

Originally posted by qazzaq123:

missing the point entirely. before the update, ai3 was fairly easy to farm with imorush (i won about 70%). even with the dark deck i started with, i won 50% roughly. now i cant even win more than one out of about 13 with that same deck (imorush). ai usage of nymphs and shards IS op for starters first of all. there should be absolutely no reason for beginners to have such a difficult time with ai3 now vs when i started.

I can tell you’re very new to this game if you think AI3 has shards which it doesn’t as you can visit, All AI3 Decks. If you also notice AI3 were improved because they were out of date as they contained all the game’s old cards and none of the new cards that came later one. You can’t expect for a Level to be out dated and stay like that forever but infact you must improve your deck by either changing the cards in it or upgrading your cards. AI3 only plays Nymphs when it’s late in the game therefore meaning your deck has to be slow so try and cut the deck down to 30 cards if you haven’t.

first of all, im not complaining. im merely pointing out the fact that this game went from entertaining to boring with the struggle of the new ai decks. just cuz you started early mr million, and have all your cards doesnt mean you can talk down to people who come up with ideas to make the game fair to the rest of us. and, uh its impossible to farm nymphs now cuz relics can only be gained in their place. if nymphs cant be gained via spins, take them out of the ai decks or limit them to ai4, fg, gold, plat, and pvp2. ALSO, if relics replace nymphs in spins, then its obvious they are just as hard to get as the rarity would be the same as that of a nymph.

The game did not becoming boring but the fact is it was rather easy (AI3) and needed to be more challenging. I don’t understand why you expect AIs to have the same deck for years, Seems you don’t like balance but if the Ais can’t use the new cards why should their even be new cards added? I don’t brag about my score as you can ask anyone on the Elements chat about that and I do not have all the cards in-game so please get your facts straight. I don’t talk down to anyone but rather assist/help others if you even known me or my work for this community. Have you notice that you’re saying you want to farm Nymphs when they were not meant to be as their very rare cards which are only gained from the Oracle/Reward for winning events on Official Forums. You’re wrong again If relics has the same rarity as Nymphs then it would be useful and not a filler and anyone can make a 30 card relic deck in PvP and FARM it and gain a mass amount of relics and USE your idea and TRADE them in for nymphs which DEGRADES the value of Nymphs. About limiting Nymphs in decks well no that isn’t going to happen as it’s a rare and people earned it and would like to use it. You do know HB decks are random based on the elements within its deck right?

i can guarantee you im not the only one who feels this way as ive talked to people in pvp1 who feel the same way and they play on the official site obviously since they knew nothing about kong.

Well I can guarantee you that if you’re not willing to grind for shards then it’s at your lost which you’re making it bad for those who has it so until you have shards of your own and experience it then I would suggest to look back at your idea.

im not saying to put nymphs back into the spins, just take them out ai3 decks and limit them to categories that average players have a chance against them (being people who played 4 or more months). ai2 is lame to farm and nobody does that that ive ever seen in a while, even now.

Get a better/faster deck because right now even with the Ai3 update their still easy to beat. If you win fast you wouldn’t see the Ai3 even playing its Nymphs. Getting a speedbow upgraded will assist you.

and nowhere in my post did i say that the value of the rares was to be changed. what i was saying is that if a person was to attain, say 8 relics, they can trade those in for a cheap shard, 30 relics for a cheap nymph. and the prices of relics per shard/nymph go up for the better shards/nymphs. SoD and SoSac are highly sought after so their cost should be 45 or 50 relics each.

Once again you’re not seeing my point of value of ultra rare cards, Right now Nymphs are gained from the Oracle (In-game) By you trading in Relics for a “Cheap Nymph” (I have no idea how you say Nymphs can be consider as Cheap) you will basically gained 6 of each Nymph in a matter of days. Like I said in above posts 30 relic deck > PvP > Friend farms relics > Trades in for all Nymphs. I heard of players with 100+ relics (100 may be to little) which devalues Nymphs of being ultra rare as it has now gotten so easy to gain with your idea. Relics for Rares is like a trading system which Zanzarino already said their will be no such system in this game.

if you feel threatened by ideas and have the desire to call them complaints, then you obviously have a lot of priorities and prerogatives to clear up so you can be more open-minded and see the difference between opinions, ideas and complaints.

I don’t feel threaten by your idea but it will unbalance this game making it easy and having rares freely gained by anyone without having to try. I am open minded but not to ideas like yours which isn’t needed. < (Based on experience from playing from the start).

OK, if fairly new means starting 2 months before the update, then yes I am. Since the update, I have been looking for all kinds of decks to use via Google and all I can find are decks that are 2 years old and obviously out of date as they dont work on ai3. I would like to rephrase “boring” with “highly frustrating” and I didnt know about “farming” until a couple days ago and only learned how to set up a farm yesterday (as I havent been back to this post until today). If by “late in the game” you mean 5 turns in, then yes, ai3 plays nymphs that “late in the game”. i feel that is still too early but whatev (i have counted the turns, so telling me otherwise is a waste of “breath”). and i wasnt referring ai3 as to having shards. i was referring to ai3 having nymphs. for cards to be so “ultra rare”, they shouldnt even be that low in the tier in the first place. HB and FG should be the only ones to have them (unupped [HB] and upped[FG]). we both know what fields in the game contain those cards, so instead of trying to correct me at every turn, focus on the task at hand; the discussion. makes it easier and less insulting on both our intelligence.

i have used various 30 card decks and still cant win too many ai3 matches. as for the speedbow you have mentioned, theres so many variations, im leery of picking one of them as i dont want to keep on having to change/rearrange/modify it to make it “right” and ill have to up more cards to use it. as for your suggestion to “up” my cards, i wish i could but ai3 keeps draining my coins. heres the deck i use:
removed due to numerous copies found in arena decks

it took me since my last post just to up those cards. i like the idea of anubis immortality with the druids mutate and ffq “birthing” to create sweet mutants as well as the boneyard providing me with multiple creatures to mutate/reverse time with. it works fairly well in bronze but its no LS, instosis, or pdial. its just too bad theres no updated decks to rival the last update of Elements or i could try using one of those. the latest decks i can find are mid ’11. btw, i didnt say i want to farm nymphs, tho it would be nice if there was a way to do so. unfortunately theyre relics, so no point bringing them up as possible farm material (i could be wrong, but werent they in the spins before the update?).

true you may not have all the cards in the game, but you certainly must have all the “right cards” to hold first in plat. and the points you have indicate you have earned enough money to up all the cards you need for those special decks. nobody said anything about you bragging about your mil, we were on the same team in the tourney a few weeks back where i won the last 2 matches that brought our team the overall win. before the update.

anyways lets get back on track here. the point of this thread is SoFr, not nymphs. now i know about the farms, using relics as a trade-in for shards and nymphs are is irrelevant so no need to continue that path. the point about SoFr is that it should be limited to one use and not stacked, much like nitefall in the dark deck (this is a common card, right?). nitefall is the ONLY card that doesnt stack to my knowledge. its creature-oriented much like SoFr, so why is that one not allowed to stack? OP? hardly but at the same time, SoFr, stacked, IS op. so in retrospect, anyone who argues against stacked SoFr being OP clearly loves the advantage it provides them and doesnt want it to be limited to only one SoFr being active at a time no matter how many are on the board.

i may be new to this game, but that doesnt mean ive never played other card games (MtG sound familiar? ive played that since its inception). so i do know what is op and whats not. if a field full of invincible flying creatures isnt op, then what is? SoW is limited up to 6 immortals. thats fine cuz its ONLY 6. a whole field of unstoppable, invincible creatures? its just ludicrously op, especially if an aoe spell cannot hit them either, otherwise i wouldnt even be here talking about it. aoe DOESNT target any individual creature, it targets ALL creatures on the opponents side (with the exception of pandemonium of course, as it obviously targets ALL creatures on the board). which brings up another point that makes no sense: aoe doesnt hit immortals. aoe doesnt target any individual creatures, it targets ALL creatures, so immortals should be effected by it.

immortals: cannot be targeted. translation: any spell/ability that targets an INDIVIDUAL creature cannot affect this creature. so thats where it doesnt make sense. i can understand that oty, snipe, rage pot, etc cannot affect them, but aoe that affects the board isnt “targeting” them on an individual basis, but all creatures on that board as a whole.

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But from what i did read sounds like the problem is with a full field. But guess what, decks with shard of freedom don’t usually carry a mass amount of creatures. Not to mention shard of freedom being vulnerable to PC.
That also takes 4 cards, shard of freedom, plus a field full, which for the sake of ease, we’ll say is the first row, which makes 11 cards out of a deck. Thats not exactly easy to pull all those out before dying or having stuff destroyed.

Nymphs aren’t any more powerful than any other properly used creature. They’re pretty expensive to use in battle, and they can be killed just like any other creature. If you think they’re so powerful, make a nymph’s tears deck and see how that works out.

OK, if fairly new means starting 2 months before the update, then yes I am. Since the update, I have been looking for all kinds of decks to use via Google and all I can find are decks that are 2 years old and obviously out of date as they dont work on ai3.

The reason why you’re finding old decks is because you’re looking through Google when you should have visited the new Official Forums.

I have used various 30 card decks and still cant win too many ai3 matches.

Well if you improve the deck you have now and gain coins to upgrade, Hopefully you can move onto Arena. You can try building, Speed Control Bronze and see how it works but surely a upgraded deck is way better to use.

i didnt say i want to farm nymphs, tho it would be nice if there was a way to do so. unfortunately theyre relics, so no point bringing them up as possible farm material

Haha, That’s what I been saying in my posts all this time, Your idea makes Nymphs become farm able and that’s why I wasn’t for the idea. :P

the point about SoFr is that it should be limited to one use and not stacked, much like nitefall in the dark deck (this is a common card, right?). nitefall is the ONLY card that doesnt stack to my knowledge. its creature-oriented much like SoFr, so why is that one not allowed to stack? OP? hardly but at the same time, SoFr, stacked, IS op. so in retrospect, anyone who argues against stacked SoFr being OP clearly loves the advantage it provides them and doesnt want it to be limited to only one SoFr being active at a time no matter how many are on the board.

Yes Nightfall is a non-rare card however SoFr is a Rare as it’s a shard which stacks. Those who’s against it are not only those who uses it and loves it but their are some of us who do not think their OP as it just be your deck not being able to beat the opponent like your deck you showed above. You have to understand that the opponent needs time to generate his flying creatures as well as play all these SoFr which takes up card space in his/her deck. Like Omega said it’s not easy to pull off as their are PC cards and CC cards which can kill a SoFr deck.

to those new to the convo:
didnt i mention he had more than 6 of those SoFr out? i defragged 2 and he still had 6 on the board? then he got enchant arti so i couldnt touch it with anything thereafter? and all of his cards were upped? event without his EA, i figure he had 12 SoFr total so that would basically make any PC useless anyway. with a few azure dragons, rustlers, and ffq running crit on every hit, bypassing the shield, and evading even aoe, it just made the deck beyond immortal to invincible. at least with immortals, SoW is kept only to 6 (12 with dexed decks) and reflect/jade shields turn the damages back on the user. there is no counter for 12 enchanted SoFr. even if it wasnt enchanted, obviously you would need all 6 defrag/steals to keep him from going invincible. it seems anyone misses more when fog shield is out than with dusk shield. even with my field of creatures (about 14), maybe 2 or 3 were hitting and they were low damage.

omegareaper, im not that noob. i know PC and CC. this game is VERY similar to MtG, only with 7 more elements added and plays slightly differently. too many variations and combos for me to manage anything properly, but I am aware of what exists in this game.

NK12, nymphs were only brought up as a tradeable reference for relics and how they shouldnt even be in ai3 decks if we cant even get them in a spin. ai3 is challenging enough without nymphs and ai3 can just use the cards of that type instead of the nymphs to constantly use their skill to quanta/CC our board and cause us to lose too fast. and apparently my deck is too slow to be worth anything anyway, which is why qaz and i are discussing my ideas; which after finding out about farming recently, the idea is worthless and he is helping me with a better deck design. btw, i have used a nymph tears deck. doesnt work out too well as it requires too much quanta to get the ball rolling. its another slow deck im trying to avoid using. thanks anyway.

qaz, ive always figured Goog would find the most recent data of the search, since its designed for that purpose. im not good with forums (ive bookmarked this chat so i dont lose it). they are too confusing and i get lost easily, especially when i dont know how to specify my search in any forum site. ive tried, and only came up with “search result not found” in any and all forums pertaining to whatever category im interested in.

so, yes to beat anyones snarky remark of “you need to learn” or “you shouldnt be on the net” or whatever, i do need to learn, but its not easy without anyone to show me and it makes it that much more difficult when it freezes on me from the search errors. i barely know how to post and have to bookmark them so i dont lose the conv (as mentioned before).

so theres the reason i use google and why i only seem to find the ancient decks that make the game frustrating for me, not to mention there seems to be a variation of “official forums” for this game. “.com”, “.org”, “.net”, etc… so thanks for pointing me in the right direction at least.

anyways, your suggestion is to use grabbow to farm bronze? i dont have arsenic so what would be a good replacement for it? i have a couple each of discord, druid, vamp, faren, morning, lobo, trident, titan, owl’s eye, eternity, and pulvy. i have everything else for the deck. hmm, seems arsenic is the only one i dont have…

i only sell cards i have more than 6 of, which is why im broke (i havent bought a card since a few weeks after i started). but now i nearly have all the cards, only a few shards, and i believe only one nymph from a spin before oracle started giving cards like candy to kids and i havent seen nothing more than pillars and pendulums from his fat arse lol.

o theres the reason i use google and why i only seem to find the ancient decks that make the game frustrating for me, not to mention there seems to be a variation of “official forums” for this game. “.com”, “.org”, “.net”, etc… so thanks for pointing me in the right direction at least.

.com is the old forums which got replaced with .org that’s run by the new admin staff members.

I dont have arsenic so what would be a good replacement for it?

You can use a vamp for the time being.

Originally posted by BormahDoDovah:

btw, i have used a nymph tears deck. doesnt work out too well as it requires too much quanta to get the ball rolling. its another slow deck im trying to avoid using. thanks anyway.

That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you… Nymphs are too expensive to be OP.

Originally posted by BormahDoDovah:
didnt i mention he had more than 6 of those SoFr out? i defragged 2 and he still had 6 on the board? then he got enchant arti so i couldnt touch it with anything thereafter? and all of his cards were upped? event without his EA, i figure he had 12 SoFr total so that would basically make any PC useless anyway. with a few azure dragons, rustlers, and ffq running crit on every hit, bypassing the shield, and evading even aoe, it just made the deck beyond immortal to invincible. at least with immortals, SoW is kept only to 6 (12 with dexed decks) and reflect/jade shields turn the damages back on the user. there is no counter for 12 enchanted SoFr. even if it wasnt enchanted, obviously you would need all 6 defrag/steals to keep him from going invincible. it seems anyone misses more when fog shield is out than with dusk shield. even with my field of creatures (about 14), maybe 2 or 3 were hitting and they were low damage.

You have trouble with AI3, and you expect to win at the platinum league in the arena? Get an upgraded deck with a good strategy, and then you can start complaining about losing to platinum decks.

This whole off-topic conversation was caused by a player who didn’t have a proper deck in the first place and didn’t experience Nymphs itself to see how they were.

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Anyways, you said you stole the Owl’s Eye, so why didn’t you handle those shards?

I would even advise to grind for some shards in Bronze Arena and see how they fit into your deck. :)