ATTN DEVS: Why do higher levels gang up on lower levels? (locked)

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there are games like TE, when u will not see higher lvl’s stacking up in one team
in games like lighthouse when u want to cooperate to win, playing with noobs that have no idea what they are doing is frustrating, so it is natural that you want to play with more experienced players

In this game there are more losers then winners, so… doesn’t matter if you like or don’t like gangbangs, just remember to be behind

 
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I always join the team with low lvl players, just to fuck up the high lvl players’ K/D and make the game more balanced.
As Drachus said, if one team is too OP in either TE/TC, it’s useless for both sides, no one will get decent farm. In TD this might be an issue, but I’ve never experienced this problem to such extent as you’re describing.

 
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I don’t think anyone is stacking intentionally. Well except in TC, where you NEED to be with a team than knows what to do. Anyway, soon a lot players will be high level so it won’t matter.

 
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Originally posted by bananaaa:
Originally posted by Drachus:

there are games like TE, when u will not see higher lvl’s stacking up in one team

I only see stacking being done in TE because TE is all I play.

It is not logical, or that high lvl players are also noobs ;)
in TE when u are better then others from your team, your chances to kill more VIP’s are increasing, your team is more like a competition

and here is another question:
“why VIP is hiding and running to the ends of the map?” it is not logical – VIP will not kill VIP ;)
he should be like “No.1 suicide squad of the empire”

 
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Originally posted by bananaaa:

I am not clear on what you said Darchus.

again…
To gain more exp u will kill more VIPs, if u play with noobs in team they will have fun, without concentrating on damaging VIP, so if I can choose team in TE I would choose team with noobs… this is more logical for me as I want more exp

there is info in TE, I am not sure sth like “there is a VIP in your team, protect him”, so it is like encouraging to shoot at everybody who want to kill your VIP, but this is not logical!
you want to gain more exp exp exp for killing opposite VIP, and he will be chosen after your VIP will be killed… so… please kill my teammate VIP, I don’t know him :)

your solution is already in the game, for killing higher lvl u get more points

 
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Not really. 500 points are a lot already, if you gave a % bonus for killing a higher level VIP people would start farming them as a source of XP. One kill giving 800 XP plus triple xp and boosters would start tempting too many players to make useless XP farms.

 
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banana I really don’t see the point in the screen you posted. 59/32/30 vs. 59/59/52/52 is really that unbalanced? Because one guy chose to go USEC, rather than BEAR, ( 75% says it was because the BEAR team was full] the devs should implement features to lvl balance the team or redo the whole exp distribution?

Take a chill pill dude, it’s really not that big of a deal. I hardly see any issue here to be honest…

And about the K/D thing. I was saying most of the good players will intentionally join the team which is losing or have worse players, just to fuck up the good players’ K/Ds. Ask anybody in the top50, 40 of them will tell you they do this.

 
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I get your point. I know exactly what you mean. But you’re exaggerating.
What you’re proposing is useless, because there is no problem. And checking for non-existent problem is a waste of time.

And yes 59/32/30 vs. 59/59/52/52 is balanced. If it was 59/59/32/30 vs. 59/52/52 it would be balanced, right? So one guy makes that much of a difference? In the screen you posted, the one, balance shattering, lvl59 has 3:4 k/d so I REALLY don’t think he changed the game so much to do what you’re proposing. And yes, I understand you don’t mean just this one instance, but a bigger, global problem. But yet again I must repeat myself, there is no problem. Your strongest evidence is that screenshot, and it’s bullshit. So no one’s going to set any action in motion based on that.

 
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I don’t even look at the teams when joining unless i want an easier time doing a contract.

Also a few times i have had it happen where my team was just filled with noobs (not necessarily low lvls), that could not get a k/d over 1. How does this affect me or any high lvl player in my position? Simple, they don’t kill the other team so the other team appears to be everywhere (no population control). It’s almost a 1 vs all situation where most of the time you never last longer than 5 seconds after spawning and there is always a guy in the direction you aren’t looking. I guess that’s just frustrating to some higher levels trying to grind xp.

The game just needs a better auto balance system that takes levels into account, not amount of players.

 
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I would say that if game balancing is implemented it should be based on the exp of players earned that previous game, which in my eyes would making the teams more equal as a lvl 30 player could be better then a lvl 50. Since it doesn’t matter what lvl you are its more about the skill of the player.

 
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i intentionally join with the higher level players for the easy exp, I’m not afraid to admit it. If i was playing TDS then i would try to keep balance because TDS is really fun and i don’t want the lower levels to quit so fast, but if it were TE or TC then i would definitely try to join with the higher levels.

 
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Agreed with the point about VIP suicides, it currently seems better for everyone if the VIP dies quickly. Since CW is fairly generous when it comes to tracking player movement, by joining the team with high level players you’re overall getting less kills. The only two reasons for joining the winning team seems to be easy wins in TDS and a higher kill streak (less dying).

 
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Well thanks for posting all this so the newbies can steal mah points.

 
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Originally posted by vice123:

Well thanks for posting all this so the newbies can steal mah points.

more educated society of players = more challenging game = more fun ;)
oh wait a moment… I understand… trolls likes easy win, right?

 
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blablabla blablabla… We started on the equalization of opportunities and end about joining to Winning Team… Lades and Gentelman.
You can still whining on this game and how it’s not equivalent because I myself also as I do, but does not change the fact that the game need to lose a lot of people by winning one man, or lose one team that won the second no matter of the level.

Frustrating? Everyone is sometimes frustrating but people who are not able to play, primarily.

Last about, changing for winning team then ok who want that do when load game but if I see how someone in half game change team then I sometimes have the rank of the developer and ban this person, pernament. For example,I can give nickname Azaula, player who does while playing TDS.

 
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Originally posted by XxXPAINKILLERXxX:

blablabla blablabla… We started on the equalization of opportunities and end about joining to Winning Team… Lades and Gentelman.
You can still whining on this game and how it’s not equivalent because I myself also as I do, but does not change the fact that the game need to lose a lot of people by winning one man, or lose one team that won the second no matter of the level.

Frustrating? Everyone is sometimes frustrating but people who are not able to play, primarily.

Last about, changing for winning team then ok who want that do when load game but if I see how someone in half game change team then I sometimes have the rank of the developer and ban this person, pernament. For example,I can give nickname Azaula, player who does while playing TDS.

My head hurt reading this. I got lost at this part too; “the game need to lose a lot of people by winning one man, or lose one team that won the second no matter of the level.”

 
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what bananana said about level based xp is quite common in other games, hence CW is more fair because level means how long have you been playing, not as much how good. obviously some skills make it harder to kill high levels if not by head. every time you ry to balance things agains the inevitable, you will end up with Team Fortress Autobalance like so http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cHeEvbjDKg

 
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here is all i can add to this, levels do not make you good, please shut up about levels ganging up on lower players, if their contract is 20 headshots over level 10, do it the same way i did, run around, shoot them in the head. this happened last night, kid needed 20 headshots over level 10, it was in a lake match for gods sake, you snipe or you gtfo pretty much right? so we told him if you can get a headshot ok, if not move on and don’t complain that we aren’t helping

Also wtf does it matter if they switch teams, you dont really get any more points for it unless they are a vip farmer, does it really make that much of a difference if people switch teams for points, no so please shut your mouth painkiller

 
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i dont really care about the lvls.. it means nothing to me..
i actully join the weakest team just to make it more fun…
i really dont think it would be that much of a challenge to just join the wining team..

i wont lie, i do half of the time join the wining teams, yea..
but i also like to join the weak team for example at TD

 
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Originally posted by bananaaa:
Originally posted by Drachus:

there are games like TE, when u will not see higher lvl’s stacking up in one team
in games like lighthouse when u want to cooperate to win, playing with noobs that have no idea what they are doing is frustrating, so it is natural that you want to play with more experienced players

In this game there are more losers then winners, so… doesn’t matter if you like or don’t like gangbangs, just remember to be behind

I only see stacking being done in TE because TE is all I play. I expect ‘noobs’ to be noobs. Frustrations are not them. You missed the point of the post and lets not try to deter this into something else. Admit it like Glock243.

I will wait for a serious response from a dev… hopefully.

i am sorry but i think your just crazy, i hit autoselect and then just beat the crap out of the enemy, try it sometimes, dont just complain

 
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Originally posted by Drachus:
Originally posted by bananaaa:
Originally posted by Drachus:

there are games like TE, when u will not see higher lvl’s stacking up in one team

I only see stacking being done in TE because TE is all I play.

It is not logical, or that high lvl players are also noobs ;)
in TE when u are better then others from your team, your chances to kill more VIP’s are increasing, your team is more like a competition

and here is another question:
“why VIP is hiding and running to the ends of the map?” it is not logical – VIP will not kill VIP ;)
he should be like “No.1 suicide squad of the empire”

hahahahahaha i like that, if i become vip while using sniper i turn to pistol and just run towards the enemy like an idiot :)

Originally posted by bananaaa:
Originally posted by SylviaWoon:

when i join TE i just let the game decide what team , i don’t think players usually pick teams on purpose.

I just played a Sawmill TE match with you and literally saw one of my team member(44lvl) switch sides in the middle of the game.

Being a hypocrite, I will from now on pick the higher lvl team unless the devs address this. There is no need for me being the lamb out there to be sacrificed for more points.

[Removed], just pick the team with lower numbers/lower levels, that way you can fuck up the enemy’s K/D AND you get a crap load of xp cause your team has no idea what to do

 
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Originally posted by insanejok3r:
Originally posted by Drachus:
“why VIP is hiding and running to the ends of the map?” it is not logical – VIP will not kill VIP ;)
he should be like “No.1 suicide squad of the empire”

hahahahahaha i like that, if i become vip while using sniper i turn to pistol and just run towards the enemy like an idiot :)

I think you missed a point here.
It doesn’t matter if you play style is sniping, hiding, rushing or blowing up (your self with grenades), doesn’t matter what is your gun, it could be a tomahawk as well.

If you want more points you need to die as a VIP as fast as possible.

 
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Evac. Lately, I keep getting Lancer against me. And he has all of the big guys with him. And the bigger team.

 
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Originally posted by Marine851:

Evac. Lately, I keep getting Lancer against me. And he has all of the big guys with him. And the bigger team.

Cause most people are intimidated by lancer so they join his side for an easier match. XD

 
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Originally posted by bananaaa:
Originally posted by skullhead51:
Originally posted by Marine851:

Evac. Lately, I keep getting Lancer against me. And he has all of the big guys with him. And the bigger team.

Cause most people are intimidated by lancer so they join his side for an easier match. XD

What they are, what you and I are intimidated by, is the loss in ratio/ego.

I’m not intimidated at all. i can beat his k/d but with less points, or get more points but lower k/d, funny how it works.