# Increase max clones or BS?

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 Hello, I finished 1x UAC, 3x UBC and 15 DRCs so far. My multipliers are currently: 630% CS 6335% BS 650k clones 30 CC I have bought the bonuses/divinity cost etc as well Planet level 3 I'm currently spamming DRCs and each time I complete the challenge, I would do speed runs until my multipliers are screwed before attempting another DRC. The highest I reached for normal playthrough was till P.Baal V10. And I was wondering at this point of time, would it be better for me to invest in clones or BS? My friends are telling me to invest in clones because clones provides more utility than BS in general because of might training, UBs and all but spending 25GP on 10k clones compared to 25 GP on 85% BS (maths-wise) doesn't seem to work efficiently So I was wondering if any experts could help me here Well, it depends. First let's assume all your clones do is build. You want to measure the efficiency of each option, measured in GP spent per % increase (lower is better). It is calculated by (Cost x Current Value) / (Bonus x 100%). So for clones it's (25 x 650) / (10 x 100%) = 16.2 / %, and for BS it's (10 x 6435) / (35 x 100%) = 18.4 / %. So by this measure, clones are better. On the other hand, clones take time to build, and increasing clone count increases this time and doesn't help until you've built them all. BS, on the other hand, helps from the first second. However, you probably do more things with your clones than just building. Might and planet come to mind, and maybe also trainings if they're not 1-capped. So what you should actually put in the formula above is only the number of clones that are actually building. Let's say that it's 450K. So the efficiency rating becomes (25 x 450) / (10 x 100%) = 11.2 / %, much better than BS. All in all, I'd say you should do clones now. As far as it goes the general rule of thumb is cost wise, build speed will be possible to double several times over for a total build speed increase than 10k clones at a time. But the rub is of course you use your clones on more than just building. If you do speed runs you would have to favor more cc.... if you do challenges making a sizeable increase on your build speed will make future 1k challenges easier.... But now for example, I wish I had more clones to utilize the planet tab a little better on afk defending, but instead since I'm working on my drcs and other challenges I'm going to focus instead of a mix of cc and bs. I've got high enough creation speed that the only increases it should ever see is when my build speed is much, much higher than it is now. The only reason I've got for more creation speed is to reduce the time for UUC's and Bhc's and frankly I've done all my uuc's, and bhc's my biggest bottleneck is simply my div gen so build speed will help there more. I have 2.6m clones and still want more clones. CS and BS can be improved with crystal power and the crystals themselves. Admittedly my CS is low, only 1540% (4578 with CP) @P.B 30. But I feel it's more than enough. Most of time you buy creations with divinity. For planet defending, with might level 200 and mystic crystal level 14 or higher, only 150k (maybe even 100k need to test) is needed to repell all attacks. You need a lot of clones on might missions, build monuments, upgrade DG, man the crystal factory etc. I think around 3-4m clone will see everything going smoothly at full speed. But more is always better. I would put way more into BS than CS. For short runs like DRC, I am always restricted by the time it takes for the might tab to be unlocked. Creation speed is never a problem. However I have not attempted the more difficult challenges with restrict number of clones yet. Just make sure when you do UUC, UBH, AAC, get your crystals to a decent level. e.g. UUC lv 10, UBH lv.15+. Overtime your crystal power will power you along nicely. 300,000 clones CS = 2675 (3050) BS = 2605 (3695) CC = 50 DRC = 1 UUC = 1 UPC = 1 BHC = 3 PMC = 1 UBC = 1 ================= for myself, CC is a big one, for initial game start, but also once you add in a yellow crystal 15th level or higher from planet kills. and get the CC up higher along with an ultimate crystal 7+ or higher, it seems to pay off quicker for approx 4 to 7 day runs. in that i am not waiting around for clones to be built, but also when i am creating stuff up for galaxy and universe and letting everything be bought through auto buy. i have limited my auto buy for creations. to town and less. everything else above ocean needs to be built. it takes some time, but i am getting some nicer discounts long run. i am waiting for day when i reach 100 CC, so i can finally toss out "creation crystal" and needing to level it on each rebirth. and put in its place mystic, physical, god, and/or ultimate crystal. so then i can use less clones, on plaent autofill/attack. CS = i am not really wanting to put a whole lot more into. to BLUE BAR higher level creations to much god power to do that, and from understanding, i need to get my clones up so i can start taking out UB2's were a lot more god power can be obtained. and then start BLUE BAR higher creations for better easier speed runs. might suggest, going for higher P.BALL, and getting your extra free pets. pets are one of them long term things that will take a very long time to build up stat wise. and it is 11 to 12 hours at a time. this one gets a bit nasty, due to 50 god power cost of statistic multi. but having extra pets, and campagin on god power can help push you up faster. as you go up through higher P. BALL. but once you get tied into this loop, you tend to be stuck in this loop, and/or choosing challanges that are longer. due to you do not want any challenges that reset your multipliers, of which case these longer challanges can slow down your P.BALL defeating to higher levels. i keep wanting to do DRC, to raise my might levels, so i do not have to put in an extra 20 levels in the "unleash might" units. but mehh.... BS = (building speed), i find crystal (physical and ultimate) give bigger boost. it is a god power sink. and like CS above, more likely hold off on it till i can take on a UB2 planets. were more god power can be collected quicker. ============== with above, i would say CC (creation count), and (more clones). i do not remember the recommendation is for CC to clone amount, but i want to say, for every 100,000 clones, have 10 CC. or was it every 200,000 clones to 10 CC, i do not remember right off hand. but cost of CC... arghs.