Star Wars VS Halo with would win? page 49

I’m caught in between. Star Wars has a well developed plot as well as characters, love, romance, fighting, action, etc. Halo has a plot as well. Halo has fighting, action, etc. The main characters of Star Wars are Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, Han Solo, Chewbacca, C3PO, R2D2, Obi-Wan, Anikan Skywalker, Bobo Fett, Jaba the Hut, Tarkin, and among many more. Halo as a video game has some reoccurring characters as well in the franchise. Overall if it came down to win a showdown, Star Wars would win because of their advancement in technology. In halo, for the most part, they’re still using bullets. In Star Wars, they’re using lasers, light sabers, etc.

Halo!

halo beacuase it has better wepons and rides

starwars,force and lightsabers vs. guns and swords.no contest

Star wars in a complete and utter stomp ( they are FAR more powerful than the movie suggests as shown in the Expanded universe novels). Halo’s only chance is mutual destruction through the use of the halo array. Since i am in a nerdy mood and have plenty of time to spare, i will try to explain in details

First of all, let us compare the propulsion technology between the two, the hyperdrive in star wars allows them to travel through a galaxy in a time frame as low as hours while the Forerunner dreadnought could only achieve a speed of up to 98.8 light years/hour meaning it will take around 1012 hours/ 42 days to cross the same distance. This alone puts them at a distinct disadvantage as the military vessels in star wars could essentially move in Halo territory at will.

Even if we disregard Halo’s disadvantage in propulsion, there is a matter of the massive disparity in firepower, large Covenant fleets ( i am excluding the forerunners since we don’t know about the average firepower of their vessels) takes up from hours to days to fully glass a planet while a SINGLE star destroyer could glass a planet by completely destroying the crust in the matter of hours entirely by itself.

Aside from firepower there is also the matter of durability of the ships in question. Now, A Republic warship cracked the mantle or crust of a planet down to the core when it was exiting hyperspace by accident during the Clone Wars. Venator class star destroyers can deliver triple-digit teraton level of firepower and they can sustain bombardment of that level for hours while the super MAC guns which packed double-digit gigaton level can destroy every known vessel in the Halo universe. In short? NORMAL star destroyers could withstand attacks many TENS OF THOUSAND of times greater than any thing in Halo FOR HOURS. In fact i will go as far as saying that a single star-destroyer could destroy thousands of covenant/UNSC ships by its own.

Regarding superweapons, okay UNSC have the NOVA Bomb ( at a measly 1.5 petaton according to the calculation in the halo wiki), they can induce supernovas under very specific sets of conditions and of course the halo array ( well, this is mostly out of question seeing it took the forerunners A FEW HUNDRED YEARS to even start the construction of the arrays and fire it at the flood), while for the star wars side, you have the Death Stars that can blow Planets with Planetary shields in smithereens ( this was calculated at 1E38 joules which translate to around E28 times or 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0000 more powerful then a NOVA bomb), the galaxy gun that can achieve the same level of destruction but could attack at GALACTIC level range, the sun crusher that could destroy solar systems and can shrug of attacks of that level and the centerpoint station that could destroy STARS casually.

That aside lets talk about the force users ( again they are far, far more powerful than the movie would suggest), for example darth nihilus could essentially rip the soul of inhabitant OF AN ENTIRE PLANET. Luke Skywalker and Palpatine also demonstrated mind-wiping on the level of billions/trillions of people. So, they could essentially make the brain of every single being explode by the use of telepathy in an engagement.

Now for manpower, human population stands at 23 billion prior to the war with the covenants, the covenant, lets just say that they have the same population to make a combined population of 46 billion. The imperial army ALONE can casually exceed that ( imagine how huge the manpower star-wars has if every single personnel in the star-wars universe combined )

Now, some may say the flood will eventually assimilate star-wars. Now let me remind you that the same ‘unstoppable’ flood struggled against a much, much much weaker covenant and UNSC. they would get DESTROYED in an instant if they ever attempt to assimilate them.

So in short? a stomp ( at least with shown feats and stuff)
Well if you want a link to the calculations and stuff here it is:
This is a link

Well, lets see… Star Wars has ENERGY SWORDS, STINKING ENERGY SWORDS!! and halos best weapon is a thorn shooter (needler)

Halo has energy swords too ._.

star wars for one jedi can handle covenate clones and storm troops can handle spartains so out numbered and out gunned and the empire and the sith would be backup

well halo has armor lock up so that beats the force and halo has gravity hammers and the flood

Halo array nough said while you are blasting away the galaxy I’m laughing at you from the Ark and then I activate the Halo array.1 Guy just murdered every Star Wars Character in existence with one button push.PWND

Star Wars : Has force powers, lightsabers, blaster rifles, Death Star, X-Wings…yeah.

Halo : Has a motherf*ckin’ ROCKET LAUNCHER, A LASER GUN, A shotgun…

Can’t decide…

have you guys even seen spartan 2.0 freelancer those guys are like matial arts master they kicked covean ant butt with only a pistol

heres the discription
this is on youtube:

we are spartans 2.0 project freelancer

Originally posted by bgammax:

Halo array nough said while you are blasting away the galaxy I’m laughing at you from the Ark and then I activate the Halo array.1 Guy just murdered every Star Wars Character in existence with one button push.PWND

No. Star wars would be able to reach the halos and the ark first, and EVERY army in halo would collapse and fight amongst themselves if someone attempted to.

Originally posted by skyman129:

well halo has armor lock up so that beats the force and halo has gravity hammers and the flood

Armor lock lasts a short while, and im not even sure if it stops the force from affecting. Gravity hammers are outclassed, as Jedi/Sith weapons are faster and have better weapons. The flood is easily countered by droids.

Originally posted by skyman129:

have you guys even seen spartan 2.0 freelancer those guys are like matial arts master they kicked covean ant butt with only a pistol

One group wont win the war. Jedi/Sith easily trump them, and a squad storm troopers with plexiglass visors could defeat a spartan with losses.

People who say “Star wars wins easily!” or “Halo wins hands down”, i ask you to support yourself with facts.

And lastly, please stop bumping this thread.

Also, since it hasn’t been on this page yet:

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Star Wars Killer 2.0

Shields: In Star Wars, larger ships are protected with a Ray Shield and a Particle Shield. These shields acted independently of each other, the Ray blocking energy-based weaponry, and the Particle blocking ballistic weaponry. The shields are able to sustain broad damage for massive amounts of time; and can generally only pierced by focused damage on a single location. Because of the double layered shield; it would require both Covenant and UNSC forces to be present; since no ship in the Halo universe is armed with both projectile and energy weaponry. The ships in Halo weren’t even all shielded. The UNSC did not use ship-sized shields; and those that the Covenant used were weak. They could be depleted in a few shots from a MAC, or with a single nuclear missile. In addition, they were forced to lower sections of their shield while firing their plasma weaponry. The shield systems in Halo are simply less powerful.

Also; the use of infantry shielding. In Star Wars, it isn’t particularly common, though Droideka were all equipped with a shield; making them very dangerous. In addition, shields were available against all sorts of damage sources; one of which was sonic. In Halo, all Spartans/Elites were equipped with shields; but they could be depleted with only a few rounds. The massive power difference between weapons would likely result in single hits being enough to deplete them with a blaster rifle. And, considering the firepower of the DC’s, this means even a Spartan or Elite would be decimated in barely two shots.

Weapons: We have been over this. Seriously. The ballistic weaponry used by the UNSC would be almost incapable of piercing the Star Wars ship’s shields; let alone the armor. The Covenant Ships, while more powerful, would still find it difficult to break through the more powerful shielding systems. Still, it would require fire from both ballistics and energy weapons, focused on a single point to disable the shields. The Halo forces simply don’t have the firepower capable to destroy a Star Wars fleet. Star Wars weaponry, on the other hand, is much more powerful. In addition, Star Wars ships are more heavily armed, for example, the armaments on an Imperial II-Star Destroyer were: 10 Tractor Beam Projectors, 20 Heavy Ion Cannons, 30 or more Turbolaser Batteries, 5 Heavy Turbolaser Batteries, and 8 Ion Cannons. The weaponry on a UNSC Marathon-Class is 2 MACs, 5 Fusion Rockets, as many as 300 60-Rocket Archer Missile Pods, and several 50mm Point Defense guns, that could only be used for engaging fighters. This shows that the most powerful ships used by the UNSC are easily outmatched. The Covenant’s strongest ship, their Supercarrier, had a minimum of 7 Energy Projectors, along with an unknown amount of Plasma Turrets, and Pulse Laser Turrets for point defense. It is again beaten in heavy weaponry; though it may possess more light weapons; regardless, the comparative weakness of it’s weapons will result in the light weapons being almost entirely ineffective.

Land: We shall start with the Jedi and Sith: Because of their force manipulation; they will be easily able to dodge or reverse bullets, as well as the much-slower energy weaponry used by the Covenant. More advanced weaponry could still be blocked as easily as blaster fire. In addition, their lightsabers could easily disable plasma swords, thanks to their stronger magnetic field. Personal shielding would also prove to be useless against a lightsaber. For the most part, there is no defense against force blasts, other than having your own psionic abilities; which none of the Halo forces have. As such, a Jedi or Sith would easily be able to massacre the enemy forces.

In addition to the Jedi are the land troops. Consisting of Mandalorian clones, highly-trained Stormtroopers, and AI Battle Droids, they could easily outmatch anything Halo could provide. Both Mandalorians and Droids have superior speed, strength, endurance, and reaction times to humans, resulting in higher skill. They would also be highly resistant to all but the most powerful ballistic rounds. While Spartans would still be faster and stronger; they simply wouldn’t be able to defend against the massive firepower packed by the Star Wars forces, because of their weak defense.

Numbers: I saved this for last, because regardless of what Halo can come up with, this is the trump card. There were billions of Droids and Clones, with hundreds of millions being deployed in single battles. In addition, there were even more Stormtroopers. The Empire consisted of, and recruited from, millions of planets; resulting in a terribly massive number. Even using estimates, the number is enormous: If the Empire controlled only one million inhabited planets, and were only able to recruit one hundred thousand people off of each planet, that results in 100 billion Stormtroopers. In addition, a single Droid factory was capable of producing 1000 Droids per hour. Halo on the other hand consists of the UNSC, the Convenant, the Flood, and what’s left of the Forerunners. The UNSC consisted of the 210 inner colonies, some of which had been destroyed by the Covenant. Almost all of the Outer Colonies had already been glassed. The Covenant doesn’t have a listed amount of colonies, though it can be assumed to be slightly higher than the UNSC; since they were only able to field a slightly higher amount of units. The Flood are still easily defeated. Since they would be entering a new galaxy, they would be forced to ‘build’ a new Gravemind, which would leave them in their feral state for a long time. The Empire, unlike the Forerunner, would have no regrets destroying an infected planet to prevent the infection from spreading. In addition, the massive Droid army would be completely immune to infection, and therefore able to easily destroy any Flood infections; especially since the Flood are terribly weak against high-temperature weaponry.

Lastly, we have the Forerunner Keyship. The keyship is very powerful; it’s portal emitting an EM pulse, and possessing a powerful shield and laser array. The final keyship was most likely destroyed when installation 04b fired; but if it was not, there are still many reasons it would be ineffective. While being the most powerful ship remaining in the Halo universe; it is very close to being on-par with the Star Wars ships, though it still uses inferior weaponry. For this, I am going to say that the Yuuzhan Vong would be the most effective, as their ships are a combination of biological and technological systems. As they wouldn’t be completely disabled; they would be able to provide an adequate opposition. Their weapons consisted of pure plasma, and Worldships contained hundreds of them. In addition, their most powerful weapon, the Dread Weapon, was capable of ripping into enemy ships or stations, and ‘sucking out’ all of the lifeforms. In addition, their Dovin Basals were capable of generation micro-singularities, which would be lethal regardless of the Keyship’s defenses.

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That was my original mega-post, which I thought was enough to end this discussion; but it apparently was not. So, I have decided to take some time to expand on the various topics covered above; including some more detailed explanations.

Shield: I really believe I have explained this as much as is necessary. I am, of course, assuming that before arguing you do know the basics of how energy shields work; and the primary difference between those in Star Wars and those in Halo. In Star Wars, there are separate shield: Those that protect against energy weaponry, and those that deflect against ballistics. These shields are assigned power as-needed based on what collides with the respective shields. This adaptive shielding, combined with the massive amounts of energy dedicated solely to the shields, result in a shield that can only be pierced by focused fire. Halo shields, on the other hand, are a single layer that defends against ballistics and energy weaponry. Halo’s shields also drain power from the ship’s primary power source; as opposed to an independent source. These factors, combined with the relatively low power output of the ships, results in a far more fragile shield.

Weapons: I suppose many of those who actually take the time to read this; and are discussing seriously, already know the basics of ballistic and energy weaponry. These can be divided into four categories: True Ballistics, Beam Weapons, Plasma Weapons, and Energized Bolts. True Ballistics are, however more advanced, low-velocity weapons that rely on kinetic energy and light explosives. They are the weakest weapons available. Beam weapons use an incredibly got beam of light that converts matter at the point of impact into plasma; giving it the ability to, at a massive power drain, bore through the targeted area. Plasma weapons use an electromagnetic field to hold plasma into a ‘ball’ of sorts, which causes massive damage on impact. The last, and generally most powerful, category of weapons are energized bolts. These weapons use a super-dense ‘bullet’ that is contained in a ball of plasma. This combines the kinetic power of a bullet, sped almost to the speed of light, with the energy damage of the plasma bolt. Star Wars features all of these weapons, though primarily plasma and charged bolt weapons. Halo, on the other hand, features only ballistics, weak plasma weaponry, and amazingly inefficient laser weaponry.

Land: Absolutely nothing here needs to be restated. Masterchief’s/Elite’s shields are incredibly weak. The armor employed by all Halo forces is incredibly weak. With an expanded understanding of the weapons, it is easy to establish that Halo is outgunned. A single shot from a bowcaster is more than capable of killing a Spartan. Two at most from a DC blaster. Factoring in that the DC is fully automatic, shoots plasma blasts that move at the speed of light, and has almost unlimited ammo; it cannot be argued that Halo has stronger units. Regarding the Flood: They aren’t a trump card, even remotely. The Flood are incredibly fragile, and would easily be mopped up by the massive legions of plasma-armed Clones/Droids/Troopers.

Numbers: For the love of god, I am not expanding on this. The odds are literally millions to one, against Halo; and the the Star Wars forces could create more units per day than exist in the Halo forces.

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If you read nothing else in this post, please read this: If you are unwilling to make a valid point; and plan on simply shouting that your side is superior, please do not waste your time. If you do plan on making a valid post, please have read my entire post.

I’m just gonna keep quoting this till y’all stop bumping it.

I figure, I haven’t copy/pasted it for a few pages… And, since people have started bumping it again…

You rang?

Also, just as a side note, the storm troopers were made up of recruits AND clones, so there is even more then catface estimated.

Now no one in this page was talking about 1 thing! THE FLOOD!. help me on this one, cuz i don’t know alot of star wars… Anyway let’s get on topic, we will do a little reffering.
AT-AT<Scarab AT-AT’s have lasers, but no sides to shoot on, that mean’s no extra firepower+ if a Guass Hog in halo whould seemingly shoot a AT-AT ONE time, it’s controls will stop working and bust down, if shot at the leg.
Star Destroyer<“Flood Infested” Covenant fleet ship (in space) THE FLOOD is a Alien Parasite
That sucks peoples brains so those little flood brain things can control them. first of all, what the hell is lasers gonna do when the flood can grow limbs back? since those retarded rebels, or whoever uses the star destroyer can’t ever make guns with bullets. trust me, they can infultrate a Ship before they destroy earth. and i must forgot, there is more than ONE star destroyer, right? well, if there is, they can literally shoot the lasers out of them! or you know, suck their brains. before using that god damn cheating hyperdrive

X-Fighters>Hornets. Hornets shoot lock on tiny pew pew rockets compared to Titanium Laser Blasting Fighters, X fighters would definitely win that one.

Spartan Laser <Laser Blaster thing. The Laser blaster dosen’t take 3.5 seconds to charge up right? the funny part is, that is a Storm Trooper missed a spartan laser shot, witch needs to charge another 3 seconds, he would ditch the thing and use his i think semi automatic Laser blaster while a spartan driving a warthog who’d take 3.5 seconds to charge a accurate Laser shot. the spartan would die the first 2 seconds.

let’s get on with the point

Flood> Star Destroyers/ Alliance ship
Forerunners> That galaxy Far Far Away
UNSC<STAR WARS
Covenant<STAR WARS
BTW games are games, Star Wars was to see who has more power then the other So Was HALO. but see, some games… let’s say Cod WaW based at the Adolf Hitler era (i call it that) wasn’t supposed to have great power, Halo wasn’t craving power, if there was too much power, think of it… the game would have thousands of ships… ok let me get to the point, HALO wasn’t meant to have amazing power. STAR WARS was. but it’s still a good duel

i just found out somthing, it’s impossible To have a war, you know why, because this game is based 500 years after this year, while star wars was based on a galaxy far far away A LONG TIME AGO.this should be the end of the thread

People seem to not understand that the AT-AT is a troop transport. The Star Wars equivalent of the Scorpion would most likely be an AT-TE, A6 Juggernaut, or the CIS Super Tank.

Halo has nothing that can compete in terms of vehicles. Also, somewhere I’ve left a comparison of known Forerunner tech to Star Wars tech. (Protip: Lasers and Sonic Weaponry < Stable plasma weapons and singularity manipulation.)

And, as has been covered repeatedly, the flood are incredibly weak against anything their acid can’t melt through (Which would be most of Star Wars’ armor, seeing the difficulty they have with Masterchief’s weak armor).

Also, we’re doing this assuming known Star Wars; not even taking technological advancement into account. If we did that, there’d be no chance at all.

Originally posted by niceman555:

Now no one in this page was talking about 1 thing! THE FLOOD!. help me on this one, cuz i don’t know alot of star wars… Anyway let’s get on topic, we will do a little reffering.
AT-AT<Scarab AT-AT’s have lasers, but no sides to shoot on, that mean’s no extra firepower+ if a Guass Hog in halo whould seemingly shoot a AT-AT ONE time, it’s controls will stop working and bust down, if shot at the leg.
Star Destroyer<“Flood Infested” Covenant fleet ship (in space) THE FLOOD is a Alien Parasite
That sucks peoples brains so those little flood brain things can control them. first of all, what the hell is lasers gonna do when the flood can grow limbs back? since those retarded rebels, or whoever uses the star destroyer can’t ever make guns with bullets. trust me, they can infultrate a Ship before they destroy earth. and i must forgot, there is more than ONE star destroyer, right? well, if there is, they can literally shoot the lasers out of them! or you know, suck their brains. before using that god damn cheating hyperdrive

X-Fighters>Hornets. Hornets shoot lock on tiny pew pew rockets compared to Titanium Laser Blasting Fighters, X fighters would definitely win that one.

Spartan Laser <Laser Blaster thing. The Laser blaster dosen’t take 3.5 seconds to charge up right? the funny part is, that is a Storm Trooper missed a spartan laser shot, witch needs to charge another 3 seconds, he would ditch the thing and use his i think semi automatic Laser blaster while a spartan driving a warthog who’d take 3.5 seconds to charge a accurate Laser shot. the spartan would die the first 2 seconds.

let’s get on with the point

Flood> Star Destroyers/ Alliance ship
Forerunners> That galaxy Far Far Away
UNSC<STAR WARS
Covenant<STAR WARS
BTW games are games, Star Wars was to see who has more power then the other So Was HALO. but see, some games… let’s say Cod WaW based at the Adolf Hitler era (i call it that) wasn’t supposed to have great power, Halo wasn’t craving power, if there was too much power, think of it… the game would have thousands of ships… ok let me get to the point, HALO wasn’t meant to have amazing power. STAR WARS was. but it’s still a good duel

The flood is actually the least threat to star wars. Droids are COMPLETELY immune to flood, and have the numbers and weapons to defeat the mano-a-mano. Star wars ships can blow the flood ships right out of the sky, and the weaker cove plasma weapons killed the flood quite easily, meaning star wars ones would easily defeat them. Limb regrowing takes time, as flood were unable to do it in combat were it matters, at least i have not seen one do it.

Also, star wars has ballistic weapons, in the form of sluggers, but they are no were near as good as there blasters.

Originally posted by niceman555:

i just found out somthing, it’s impossible To have a war, you know why, because this game is based 500 years after this year, while star wars was based on a galaxy far far away A LONG TIME AGO.this should be the end of the thread

All “Univerese vs Univerese” fights assume that both sides have been mushed together.

@Snipe27
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7- Another factor to consider is the duration of wars: the empire lasted 20 years building a huge army with millions of warships, but it is also true that towards the end of its collapse one general said (in the movie) that they didn’t enough materials to finish the second death star and that they had problem to find it.
Forerunner have fought a war against humans and later the flood (this lasted 300 years of open conflict). the difference is that the Forerunner don’t have the conception of money, they have a quite different policy, which allows him to build whatever it takes regardless of the efforts: it is already evidence that possess a higher mentality.
The Empire will never have the ability to build worlds or structures in higher dimensions, mainly because it does not have the technology but also because its economic policy does not allow it to do that. Here all the souces: http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Forerunner-Flood_war
8- In the same site it’s written that before the activation of the Halos some forerunner were able to escape out of the Milky Way galaxy: so, i never heard ( except the Yuuzhan Vong) that the empire have the propulsion system enought powerfull to go out of the galaxy. And again: the two ark are out of the galaxy and so the forerunner have the tecnology to transport planet, in fact, in the centre of the first ark there are a forerunner planet used only for the construcion of the halos: http://www.google.it/imgres?q=halo+ark&amp;um=1&amp;hl=it&amp;sa=N&amp;biw=1680&amp;bih=949&amp;tbm=isch&amp;tbnid=CkCzn5mxqQKIbM:&amp;imgrefurl=http://gtxx1015.deviantart.com/art/halo-ARK-72298075&docid=pQJqk250LtCONM&imgurl=http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs24/i/2007/350/f/4/halo__ARK_by_gtxx1015.png&amp;w=1024&amp;h=576&amp;ei=TeUBUMGHK6Gm4gTNnqmUCA&amp;zoom=1&amp;iact=hc&amp;vpx=783&amp;vpy=526&amp;dur=2443&amp;hovh=168&amp;hovw=300&amp;tx=177&amp;ty=79&amp;sig=113202701412191975975&amp;page=1&amp;tbnh=139&amp;tbnw=187&amp;start=0&amp;ndsp=35&amp;ved=1t:429,r:24,s:0,i:149
9- about the informatic system: in star wars i never seen IA more advance of the onboard computer of the star destroyer or D2 and C3PO. Here the Forerunner don’t have any problem: they have only in the Capital trillions of sentients IA and monitor with one IA class Metarch: it means that he controls all the system of the Capital (more that 100’000 km) and the entire forerunner fleet. so another details: each forerunner has a personal IA that depending on the power can do an informatic battle against a ship, a fleet, an entirely city or planet. Here you can get all the information: http://www.halopedian.com/Artificial_intelligence ( and also the personal AI of Bonstellar in Halo: Cryptum)

Some quotes from Halo: Cryptum about the Forerunners: (citation: ThePerson5 in http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&amp;t=150269 )
Quote:
Pages 11 and 51
Twenty kilometers away, the central peak of Djamonkin
Crater rose through the blue-grey haze, its tip outlined in
ruddy gold by the last of the setting sun.

Page 51
The mining ship was an ugly thing, sullen, entirely
practical. Its belly was studded with unconcealed grap-
plers, lifters, cutters, churners. If the master of this craft so
desired, its engines could easily convert all of Djamonkin
Crater into a steaming tornado of whirling rock and ore, sift-
ing, lifting and storing whatever components it wished to
carry back.

Technological capabilities:
Quote:
Page 100
From those inner secrets, the Forerunners have
prodded sufficient power to change the shape of worlds,
move stars, and even to contemplate shifting the axes of
entire galaxies. We have explored other realities, other
spaces – slipspace, denial of locale, shunspace, trick geo-
detics, natal void, the photon-only realm the Glow.

Quote:
Page 143-144
The sensor images were impressive and strange. I had
never seen a quarantined steller system before. Such capa-
bilities were rarely displayed to young Builders. A planetary
system is mostly empty, even the greatest of worlds being lost

- page 144 -
in the immensity of billions of kilometers of space. Like their
former human allies, the San’Shyuum had evolved on a
water-rich world not far from a yellow star, within a temper-
ate zone that allowed only a narrow range of weather. Now,
however, ten thousand years after their defeat, the system
was surround by trillions of vigilants that constantly wove
in and out of space-time, sometimes so rapidly that they
seemed to shape a soild sphere. This sphere extended to a
distance of four hundred million kilometers from the star,
and thus did not encompass four impressive gas giants whose
orbit lay beyond that limit.

Quote:
Page 145
“They retired the Deep Reverence here,” he murmured.
A magnified image appeared and was enhanced by specifi-
cations and other data. The Deep Reverence was an impres-
sive fortress-class vessel, fifty kilometers in length, its incept
data before the human-San’Shyuum war.

Firepower:
Quote:
Page 197
The atmosphere below was a swirling soup of smoke and
fire. Warrior craft and automated weapon systems were
mostly to small to be visible, but I saw their effects – darting
beams of needle light, glowing arcs cutting across conti-
nents, gigantic, stamplike divots punched into the crust and
then lifted up, spun about, overturned. I had never seen
anything like this – but the Didact had.

FTL Speed:
Quote:
Page 99
The display tracked our course. We were moving out-
ward along the great spiral arm that held both the Orion
complex and Erde-Tyrene – just a few tens of thousands of
light-years.
Hours at most would pass for us.

Quote:
Page 134
HOURS LATER, WE emerged. The effects passed more
slowly than usual, indicating we had gone a very
great distance indeed, perhaps beyond the range of
normal particle reconciliation. There might be dilation ef-
fects when we returned.

I stood alone in the command center, looking out across
the tremendous, dim whirlpool of a galaxy, and called up a
chart to see where we were. Spirals and grids spread quickly.
At least this was our home galaxy. The ship was in a long,
obscure orbit, high above the galactic plane, tens of thou-
sands of light years from any feasible destination.

Quote:
Halo: Cryptum page 314
The first fortress’s fighters moved in, surrounding one of the primed Halos and engaging its sentinels. Simultaneously, four cruisers sent white-hot beams to points around the targeted installation. Sentinels intercepted some of those beams, partially deflecting them but also absorbing and sacrificing. Other beams struck home, carving canyonlike gouges across the mottled inner surface and blowing blue-white plumes of debris and plasma from the edges. The interior spokes began to shimmer and fade. The Halo could not hold together against this onslaught. It bent inward, wobbled. Fascinated, I watched as huge sections of the ring twisted like ribbon, giving way to destructive nodes of resonance, then rippled in sinus waves—and separated with agonizing majesty.

Sorry if my english is incorrect… I’m nor english! :-)

sorry, here there is the first part:

What can do the Empire against the Forerunner?
Now, fans of star wars say that a star destroyer had power around exaton because the second Technical journal says that it could melt the surface of a planet… but I also know that super star destroyer is the largest ship ever bult by the empire, second only to the Death Star: but I also read that the Empire also construct the Eclipse class: 30 km of diameter… contradiction?
From what I know there are over 25000 star destroyers around the galaxy and millions of other vessels including sun crusher, death star, super star destroyer and everything else. But then please explain me one thing: if a star destroyer can burn the atmosphere, so why in the movie don’t send a star destroyer on the rebels’s base to destroy everything instead of the death star? why after the destruction of the Death Star with 3 fighter is the fleet retired? and here another guys that have some doubts: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Turbolaser you must be very careful… and another thing: in star wars the clone wars three venator ship don’t be able to destroy the sperimental ship of General Greyevous: but if the venator has 8 cannon with power around gigatons, why can’t they destroy a 3 km ship??? In according to some fans of star wars, the last episode of star wars when the fighter destroys the Executor operations room , it took at least 70 megatons to pierce the glass. So when a fighter falls and explodes cause a nuclear explosion more strong of Nagasaki (50 megatons). So why use a firearm if camicaze blow up a city? bha really, its a contradiction… However these are only my doubts …
However, the Empire has dozens millions of worlds under his control and the Kuat Drive Yards, a giant ring around the planet where they build a star destroyer in 6 months (if I’m right) and, i think, many other similiar installation .

now, the Forerunner are a peaceful people and not belligerent, but when they encountered the humans empire made war, the Forerunner have managed to produce an unprecedented fleet that defeat human fleet battle after battle. The main ship ever built are the fortress starship ( 50 km ) for the transport of hundreds of thousands troops. With the flood threat, the Forerunner began to build the machines and monitors, and here we are:
1 – I never heard that the empire of Star Wars has the ability to build worlds, only to destroy but only with his super weapon.
2 – Star Wars has Death Star that can destroy a planet, but the rings burn life to 25000 light years. About the dimensions death star I is 160 km and the second 900 km; the first tipe of Halos are 10’000 km built by the first ark, but there are also another Halo of 30’000 built by the Big Ark. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_(megastructure)
3 – Star Wars has the sun crusher which contains 11 quantistic missiles that cause a nuclear reaction that destroys a star. And so also the Forerunner Dreadnough has enough power to destroy a star. Only one thing: there is only one Sun Crusher in Star Wars, but the Forerunner Dreadnough are 20000+ … Notice the difference? other details: the Forerunner Dreadnough are carrying ships, not battleships. (i don’t remember where is written that the key ships are 20000, but i’m quite sure, if i find it, i will post as soon as possible): so, this is a speculation: but if the Key ship is a carryng ship, the capital ships are more and more powerful.
4- http://halofanforlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/1304267641_halo_ship_scale_chart_large_by_d4rkst0rm99-d39ffjw-SM.jpg
be careful to size: there are not super weapons, but vessels of precursors used in the wars in the first line.
5- Coruscant? awesome, even in the film. The Capital? the largest arc is 100,000 km lenght, and there are more arcs. This planet is also entirely artificial. http://www.halopedian.com/Capital
6- Kuat Drive Yards? great but i think is better the ark: 127000km: in Halo 3 343 Guildy Spark said that another Halo of 10’000 km was buit in 4 month by only the sentinels.
http://www.google.it/imgres?um=1&amp;hl=it&amp;tbm=isch&amp;tbnid=mFzzn4_KSe6s5M:&amp;imgrefurl=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/File:ArkScaleComparison.gif&amp;docid=W7qfc5MtegYs4M&amp;imgurl=http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100718175623/halo/images/8/8e/ArkScaleComparison.gif&amp;w=860&amp;h=720&amp;ei=zDwBUNzNN4TO4QTsi6G6CA&amp;zoom=1&amp;iact=hc&amp;vpx=879&amp;vpy=349&amp;dur=790&amp;hovh=205&amp;hovw=245&amp;tx=126&amp;ty=170&amp;sig=114868670133887478003&amp;page=1&amp;tbnh=146&amp;tbnw=174&amp;start=0&amp;ndsp=16&amp;ved=1t:429,r:14,s:0,i:116&amp;biw=1366&amp;bih=667

Originally posted by DefiantApollo70:

sorry, here there is the first part:

What can do the Empire against the Forerunner?
Now, fans of star wars say that a star destroyer had power around exaton because the second Technical journal says that it could melt the surface of a planet… but I also know that super star destroyer is the largest ship ever bult by the empire, second only to the Death Star: but I also read that the Empire also construct the Eclipse class: 30 km of diameter… contradiction?
From what I know there are over 25000 star destroyers around the galaxy and millions of other vessels including sun crusher, death star, super star destroyer and everything else. But then please explain me one thing: if a star destroyer can burn the atmosphere, so why in the movie don’t send a star destroyer on the rebels’s base to destroy everything instead of the death star? why after the destruction of the Death Star with 3 fighter is the fleet retired? and here another guys that have some doubts: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Turbolaser you must be very careful… and another thing: in star wars the clone wars three venator ship don’t be able to destroy the sperimental ship of General Greyevous: but if the venator has 8 cannon with power around gigatons, why can’t they destroy a 3 km ship??? In according to some fans of star wars, the last episode of star wars when the fighter destroys the Executor operations room , it took at least 70 megatons to pierce the glass. So when a fighter falls and explodes cause a nuclear explosion more strong of Nagasaki (50 megatons). So why use a firearm if camicaze blow up a city? bha really, its a contradiction… However these are only my doubts …
However, the Empire has dozens millions of worlds under his control and the Kuat Drive Yards, a giant ring around the planet where they build a star destroyer in 6 months (if I’m right) and, i think, many other similiar installation .

now, the Forerunner are a peaceful people and not belligerent, but when they encountered the humans empire made war, the Forerunner have managed to produce an unprecedented fleet that defeat human fleet battle after battle. The main ship ever built are the fortress starship ( 50 km ) for the transport of hundreds of thousands troops. With the flood threat, the Forerunner began to build the machines and monitors, and here we are:
1 – I never heard that the empire of Star Wars has the ability to build worlds, only to destroy but only with his super weapon.
2 – Star Wars has Death Star that can destroy a planet, but the rings burn life to 25000 light years. About the dimensions death star I is 160 km and the second 900 km; the first tipe of Halos are 10’000 km built by the first ark, but there are also another Halo of 30’000 built by the Big Ark. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_(megastructure)
3 – Star Wars has the sun crusher which contains 11 quantistic missiles that cause a nuclear reaction that destroys a star. And so also the Forerunner Dreadnough has enough power to destroy a star. Only one thing: there is only one Sun Crusher in Star Wars, but the Forerunner Dreadnough are 20000+ … Notice the difference? other details: the Forerunner Dreadnough are carrying ships, not battleships. (i don’t remember where is written that the key ships are 20000, but i’m quite sure, if i find it, i will post as soon as possible): so, this is a speculation: but if the Key ship is a carryng ship, the capital ships are more and more powerful.
4- http://halofanforlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/1304267641_halo_ship_scale_chart_large_by_d4rkst0rm99-d39ffjw-SM.jpg
be careful to size: there are not super weapons, but vessels of precursors used in the wars in the first line.
5- Coruscant? awesome, even in the film. The Capital? the largest arc is 100,000 km lenght, and there are more arcs. This planet is also entirely artificial. http://www.halopedian.com/Capital
6- Kuat Drive Yards? great but i think is better the ark: 127000km: in Halo 3 343 Guildy Spark said that another Halo of 10’000 km was buit in 4 month by only the sentinels.
http://www.google.it/imgres?um=1&amp;hl=it&amp;tbm=isch&amp;tbnid=mFzzn4_KSe6s5M:&amp;imgrefurl=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/File:ArkScaleComparison.gif&amp;docid=W7qfc5MtegYs4M&amp;imgurl=http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100718175623/halo/images/8/8e/ArkScaleComparison.gif&amp;w=860&amp;h=720&amp;ei=zDwBUNzNN4TO4QTsi6G6CA&amp;zoom=1&amp;iact=hc&amp;vpx=879&amp;vpy=349&amp;dur=790&amp;hovh=205&amp;hovw=245&amp;tx=126&amp;ty=170&amp;sig=114868670133887478003&amp;page=1&amp;tbnh=146&amp;tbnw=174&amp;start=0&amp;ndsp=16&amp;ved=1t:429,r:14,s:0,i:116&amp;biw=1366&amp;bih=667

Originally posted by DefiantApollo70:

@Snipe27
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7- Another factor to consider is the duration of wars: the empire lasted 20 years building a huge army with millions of warships, but it is also true that towards the end of its collapse one general said (in the movie) that they didn’t enough materials to finish the second death star and that they had problem to find it.
Forerunner have fought a war against humans and later the flood (this lasted 300 years of open conflict). the difference is that the Forerunner don’t have the conception of money, they have a quite different policy, which allows him to build whatever it takes regardless of the efforts: it is already evidence that possess a higher mentality.
The Empire will never have the ability to build worlds or structures in higher dimensions, mainly because it does not have the technology but also because its economic policy does not allow it to do that. Here all the souces: http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Forerunner-Flood_war
8- In the same site it’s written that before the activation of the Halos some forerunner were able to escape out of the Milky Way galaxy: so, i never heard ( except the Yuuzhan Vong) that the empire have the propulsion system enought powerfull to go out of the galaxy. And again: the two ark are out of the galaxy and so the forerunner have the tecnology to transport planet, in fact, in the centre of the first ark there are a forerunner planet used only for the construcion of the halos: http://www.google.it/imgres?q=halo+ark&amp;um=1&amp;hl=it&amp;sa=N&amp;biw=1680&amp;bih=949&amp;tbm=isch&amp;tbnid=CkCzn5mxqQKIbM:&amp;imgrefurl=http://gtxx1015.deviantart.com/art/halo-ARK-72298075&docid=pQJqk250LtCONM&imgurl=http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs24/i/2007/350/f/4/halo__ARK_by_gtxx1015.png&amp;w=1024&amp;h=576&amp;ei=TeUBUMGHK6Gm4gTNnqmUCA&amp;zoom=1&amp;iact=hc&amp;vpx=783&amp;vpy=526&amp;dur=2443&amp;hovh=168&amp;hovw=300&amp;tx=177&amp;ty=79&amp;sig=113202701412191975975&amp;page=1&amp;tbnh=139&amp;tbnw=187&amp;start=0&amp;ndsp=35&amp;ved=1t:429,r:24,s:0,i:149
9- about the informatic system: in star wars i never seen IA more advance of the onboard computer of the star destroyer or D2 and C3PO. Here the Forerunner don’t have any problem: they have only in the Capital trillions of sentients IA and monitor with one IA class Metarch: it means that he controls all the system of the Capital (more that 100’000 km) and the entire forerunner fleet. so another details: each forerunner has a personal IA that depending on the power can do an informatic battle against a ship, a fleet, an entirely city or planet. Here you can get all the information: http://www.halopedian.com/Artificial_intelligence ( and also the personal AI of Bonstellar in Halo: Cryptum)

Some quotes from Halo: Cryptum about the Forerunners: (citation: ThePerson5 in http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&amp;t=150269 )
Quote:
Pages 11 and 51
Twenty kilometers away, the central peak of Djamonkin
Crater rose through the blue-grey haze, its tip outlined in
ruddy gold by the last of the setting sun.

Page 51
The mining ship was an ugly thing, sullen, entirely
practical. Its belly was studded with unconcealed grap-
plers, lifters, cutters, churners. If the master of this craft so
desired, its engines could easily convert all of Djamonkin
Crater into a steaming tornado of whirling rock and ore, sift-
ing, lifting and storing whatever components it wished to
carry back.

Technological capabilities:
Quote:
Page 100
From those inner secrets, the Forerunners have
prodded sufficient power to change the shape of worlds,
move stars, and even to contemplate shifting the axes of
entire galaxies. We have explored other realities, other
spaces – slipspace, denial of locale, shunspace, trick geo-
detics, natal void, the photon-only realm the Glow.

Quote:
Page 143-144
The sensor images were impressive and strange. I had
never seen a quarantined steller system before. Such capa-
bilities were rarely displayed to young Builders. A planetary
system is mostly empty, even the greatest of worlds being lost

- page 144 -
in the immensity of billions of kilometers of space. Like their
former human allies, the San’Shyuum had evolved on a
water-rich world not far from a yellow star, within a temper-
ate zone that allowed only a narrow range of weather. Now,
however, ten thousand years after their defeat, the system
was surround by trillions of vigilants that constantly wove
in and out of space-time, sometimes so rapidly that they
seemed to shape a soild sphere. This sphere extended to a
distance of four hundred million kilometers from the star,
and thus did not encompass four impressive gas giants whose
orbit lay beyond that limit.

Quote:
Page 145
“They retired the Deep Reverence here,” he murmured.
A magnified image appeared and was enhanced by specifi-
cations and other data. The Deep Reverence was an impres-
sive fortress-class vessel, fifty kilometers in length, its incept
data before the human-San’Shyuum war.

Firepower:
Quote:
Page 197
The atmosphere below was a swirling soup of smoke and
fire. Warrior craft and automated weapon systems were
mostly to small to be visible, but I saw their effects – darting
beams of needle light, glowing arcs cutting across conti-
nents, gigantic, stamplike divots punched into the crust and
then lifted up, spun about, overturned. I had never seen
anything like this – but the Didact had.

FTL Speed:
Quote:
Page 99
The display tracked our course. We were moving out-
ward along the great spiral arm that held both the Orion
complex and Erde-Tyrene – just a few tens of thousands of
light-years.
Hours at most would pass for us.

Quote:
Page 134
HOURS LATER, WE emerged. The effects passed more
slowly than usual, indicating we had gone a very
great distance indeed, perhaps beyond the range of
normal particle reconciliation. There might be dilation ef-
fects when we returned.

I stood alone in the command center, looking out across
the tremendous, dim whirlpool of a galaxy, and called up a
chart to see where we were. Spirals and grids spread quickly.
At least this was our home galaxy. The ship was in a long,
obscure orbit, high above the galactic plane, tens of thou-
sands of light years from any feasible destination.

Quote:
Halo: Cryptum page 314
The first fortress’s fighters moved in, surrounding one of the primed Halos and engaging its sentinels. Simultaneously, four cruisers sent white-hot beams to points around the targeted installation. Sentinels intercepted some of those beams, partially deflecting them but also absorbing and sacrificing. Other beams struck home, carving canyonlike gouges across the mottled inner surface and blowing blue-white plumes of debris and plasma from the edges. The interior spokes began to shimmer and fade. The Halo could not hold together against this onslaught. It bent inward, wobbled. Fascinated, I watched as huge sections of the ring twisted like ribbon, giving way to destructive nodes of resonance, then rippled in sinus waves—and separated with agonizing majesty.

Sorry if my english is incorrect… I’m nor english! :-)

Finally someone correctly arguing. 1: Its like glassing. Not destroying it, but making it a barren wasteland. 2: If using the halos kills everything, then that is a tie. Not to mention all off halos armies would fight against themselves if it was proposed. 3: A fair point, but if the forerunners are extinct in halo canon, then they should not be in this battle. If they are, then star wars gets the old republic as well, and the scales are suddenly even. 4: Not sure what the point is here, yes space ships are huge. 5: A home planet wont win a war. 6: The ability to pump out ships rapidly will win a war. That must have taken almost every single sentinel, so they would be absent for however long a ship would take. 7: The empire is not the only faction, and the war would unlikely go longer then 20 years, and even if the Death Star did get blown up, they would be supported by the other factions. 8: Valid point. But, if you have 500 left, THAT IS NOT A VICTORY. Oh, then star wars would get the YV as well, which brings yet another fleet to the battle. 9: 1 Fleet uses ai. They will still be able to defeat the flood, there main purpose. The human element is something to consider. No AI can acount for it. And on a final note, forerunners are dead in halo canon, and should not be in this fight, as we will be up all month if we are allowing non-cannon in.

1: yes but I meant that the Death Star and the Galaxy gun can destroy planets, 3 star destroyer takes exaton for glassing a planet. However this is connected to point 5: the Empire don’t have the tecnology to build planet… this is important because the forerunners build following an higher scale. 2: Many here are wrong: an Halo has a range around 25000 light years; so, in this match there are two galaxies, Halo and Star Wars… I hope that the forerunners are enough intelligent to take the ring into star wars. 3: here we have two different roads: first: we can assume that the 2 universes are connected at the time of the Forerunner and the empire; second: the forerunner are still alive, so I give you some citation:
from: halo.wikia.com/wiki/Forerunner-Flood_war
casualities of forerunner-flood war:
Incredibly heavy, many forerunner are killed by the activation of Halo Array while others survived to lead the reseeding effort and leave the galaxy.
So the forerunner are still living, they live for example on Requiem ( the prometeans shown with halo 4 are one of the species) and others have left the galaxy. However, the power of their spacecrafts does not change.
and from halo cryptum
From those inner secrets, the Forerunners have
prodded sufficient power to change the shape of worlds, move stars, and even to contemplate shifting the axes of entire galaxies. We have explored other realities, other spaces – slipspace, denial of locale, shunspace, trick geo-detics, natal void, the photon-only realm the Glow.
So we know where they probably went, but about this case we can’t discuss because I don’t have enough informations about his actually state.
4: so I want only say that they have a very efficient factories for build millions of ship around this scale ( So, I think millions, but certainly houndred of thousands. Another detail is that most of forerunner fleets have tens thousands capital ships, for example the final attack of mendicant bias). 6: If I understand what you have said (damned google translate…), now into Onyx there are houndred of trillions sentinels ready to fight across the galaxy. For example, in the book ghosts of Onyxx initially, thousands of sentinels were destroyed by the covenant fleet, after they adapted their technology ( similar to the Borg of Star Trek ) and united in an octagonal form they easily destroy all the covenant ships. the power increase exponentially from some kilotons in the original form to several houndred gigatons with one shot in 8 united sentinels, and problably there are many other scale of magnitude for their adaptations 7: So, I know that the Empire has many corporations allied, but I think that the empire have many more problems to take under control every systems than the Forerunner: because all enemies of Forerunner were get involved ( for example humans after the war against the Forerunner return to the stone age): so they can concentrate more resourses against the enemy than the empire. 8: As I have said before, We don’t know how many Forerunner are escape: because many worlds aren’t infected by flood and get a population around houndred of billions. However, the propulsion system is more efficent than star wars, and perhaps this is very important, because the empire is not able to invade two diffent galaxies, not because he don’t have the troops ( there are too many) but because he doesn’t have the technology. 9: There are many metharc AI, but Mendicant Bias is the strongest. In Forerunner-Flood war AI are inefficent because they have many problems to take control a biological-mechanic ship. Cortana can take control of one covenant super carriers that usually have 2 or 3 AI. However Cortana is NOTHING compared to Forerunner AI.
However there is thing that I’m sure: I give you victory over the ’UNSC and the Covenant (however the Covenant can resist for much time).
But you always remember that Forerunner vs. Empire has a different purpose: otherwise, give me a demonstration that I have made a mistake.

I love both but i mean star wars has the death star so id go with star wars

1. Star Wars has many far more powerful superweapons than the Deathstar. Centerpoint Station is capable of moving entire planets. The Dark Reaper; a massive station-ship that could drain the life of anything in a relatively huge range. The Darksaber, a more mobile Deathstar laser. Multiple Deathstar rebuilds. The Eye of Palpatine, a semi-sentient mini-deathstar. The Galaxy gun, a much longer-range planet killer. The Mass Shadow Generator, a singularity-based weapon. The Sun Crusher, an almost-invincible ship with a weapon that can make a sun go supernova. The World-Devastator, a planet-consuming superfactory. Yo’Gand’s Core, which sends a planet’s moon flying into the surface… That doesn’t even include the massive amount of ‘standard issued’ doomsday weapons such as the Yuuzhan Vong’s incredibly advanced singularity manipulation.

2. There are some major flaws with offensive use of the Halos: A. Their relatively long production time. B. Their seeming inability to be moved after the initial launch from the factory. C. The hyperspace-jamming energy field around the majority of the Star Wars galaxy. D. The massive amount of creatures (Some living, most mechanical) capable of surviving a sonic weapon.

3. The Forerunner technology actually presented in most/all Halo cannon is relatively low-tech. Laser weaponry, stable AI, terraforming, atomic construction… All things that many of the Star Wars factions are capable of. And there’s also to consider the Celestial, the Ones, the Infinite Empire, and Abeloth; all of which are nigh-omnipotent, capable of restructuring space and time (At will, in the case of Abeloth and the Ones).

4-9: The Empire alone would be a rough match for the Forerunner. The issue with the pairing is that there are thousands of galactic governments and equally sized fleets throughout the history of Star Wars; and that Star Wars has its own ancient civilizations and essentially omnipotent creatures.

pffft. of course star wars would win. Master Chief would look up in the sky and see the Death Star just before it blasts him into little pieces. Beat that Halo.