Star Wars VS Halo with would win? page 38

Originally posted by pok_03:

star wars, and i only read the first page of this topic and no one mentioned the force. that is a total tactic advantage WIN

someone did mention it on the first page. they said it would be unfair. yeah the jedi’s could always use mind control and win.

I personally think that it would depend on the situation, because lets face it although the death star can destroy very large objects at very long range but I do not see any way for that thing to turn quickly enough in battle to be a real threat, and add in to the fact that it was designed to be a planet killer so it would be nearly impossible to hit a fast moving ship with the laser that takes a long time to charge up and give everyone a big warning about that. And as some of the people have mentioned the ships in star wars do not have energy shields so even a few plasma torpedoes from a single covenant ship could cause quite a problem for any star wars ship. Then you have to take into account the weaponry itself, true star wars has thing like lasers but unlike halo the laser guns can only shoot in a straight line and they do not have the overheat function so if they are used to much the weapons will be rendered inoperable because they would be melted from overuse. With all of those points and factoring in things like the orbital MAC guns which as you might be interested to know fire a 6,000 ton bullet at a fourth of the speed of light.
Now some people have been debating which is more advanced halo or star wars, I must tell you as a universe the halo universe is more technologically advanced because if you count the forerunners they created the halo array which can wipe out all sentient life in the galaxy, then there is slip space which unlike the hyperspace of star wars is an alternate multi dimension so it can be used for other things than just faster than light. Also there is the matter of the jedi, in a full scale battle with the UNSC, Covenant, Flood ect… thy could not concentrate enough to use the Force, as for the matter of lightsabers they like the energy sword are plasma that in the case of lightsabers are focused through crystals and in the case of energy swords contained with a magnetic field. And halo has a wider variety of weapons for different situations, but star wars only has the lightsaber, the pistol, the rifle, the machine guns, and whatever the droids use. As for the SPARTAN IIs it is not only the augmentations that made them special, it was their training, their teamwork and their armor. And to you hard core star wars fans I am not saying that star wars is not as cool as halo (but you have to admit the old movies could have used better special effects.) just that in head on warfare if the UNSC, the Covenant, and the Flood all teamed up they would defeat the star wars universe, if only because the jedi and the sith would rather kill themselves than ally themselves with each other, whereas in halo 3 for a period of time the Master Chief and the Flood were allies to stop the prophet of truth and the elites were with the UNSC for the whole game. That concludes my arguments and if you have anything to say about that leave a note.

Oh yeah, even though I just gave a through and detailed report on why halo would defeat star wars, why would they even fight in the first place, couldn’t the two universes just coexist peacefully.

Originally posted by VIDFAN1212:

I personally think that it would depend on the situation, because lets face it although the death star can destroy very large objects at very long range but I do not see any way for that thing to turn quickly enough in battle to be a real threat, and add in to the fact that it was designed to be a planet killer so it would be nearly impossible to hit a fast moving ship with the laser that takes a long time to charge up and give everyone a big warning about that.

You are absolutely correct about this. It really bothers me when annoying fanboys argue that the deathstar beats everything. It isn’t even the strongest thing IN STAR WARS.

And as some of the people have mentioned the ships in star wars do not have energy shields so even a few plasma torpedoes from a single covenant ship could cause quite a problem for any star wars ship.

Incorrect. Fleetships had both energy and physical shields. Smaller fighters tended to have energy shields only.

Then you have to take into account the weaponry itself, true star wars has thing like lasers but unlike halo the laser guns can only shoot in a straight line and they do not have the overheat function so if they are used to much the weapons will be rendered inoperable because they would be melted from overuse.

No. Star Wars weapons are primarily plasma based. They appear as a laser because their emitters are far more powerful than the Halo ones. The Halo plasma weapons appear so large/flamey because they have a weaker EM field holding the beam ‘in shape’, thus making it have a lower damage output and less stability at range.

With all of those points and factoring in things like the orbital MAC guns which as you might be interested to know fire a 6,000 ton bullet at a fourth of the speed of light.

Eh. Ballistics are far inferior to plasma weapons. You also have to consider that many Star Wars ships have planetary siege weapons, or even ‘doomsday weapons’.

Now some people have been debating which is more advanced halo or star wars, I must tell you as a universe the halo universe is more technologically advanced because if you count the forerunners they created the halo array which can wipe out all sentient life in the galaxy, then there is slip space which unlike the hyperspace of star wars is an alternate multi dimension so it can be used for other things than just faster than light.

Nuh-uh. If you really want to argue it, Star Wars has the Celestials; who were capable of creating black holes, rearranging and moving entire solar systems, and creating a warp-proof energy field around and throughout the Star Wars Galaxy. This field is also what limits hyperspace to coordinates. It is also to be noted that Hyperspace and Slipspace use the same technology; but a different sub-dimension. Hyperspace is much faster, but can be interrupted by gravitational fields. Slipspace is slower, but much harder to interrupt.

Also there is the matter of the jedi, in a full scale battle with the UNSC, Covenant, Flood ect… thy could not concentrate enough to use the Force, as for the matter of lightsabers they like the energy sword are plasma that in the case of lightsabers are focused through crystals and in the case of energy swords contained with a magnetic field.

Wont be able to concentrate enough? They can do it just fine when fighting legions of millions of droids. And the lightsaber is FAR more powerful. The shape of the energy swords is due to their magnetic field not being strong enough to force them into a single beam. This is also why they have one or two hits. The lightsaber has a far stronger magnetic field which would actually disrupt that of the energy sword.

And halo has a wider variety of weapons for different situations, but star wars only has the lightsaber, the pistol, the rifle, the machine guns, and whatever the droids use.

No. There are thousands of civilizations with weapons ranging from plasma, to ballistics, to charged-bolts, to singularities.

As for the SPARTAN IIs it is not only the augmentations that made them special, it was their training, their teamwork and their armor.

They’ve actually got weaker shielding than shielded Star Wars units, as well as far less powerful weaponry and roughly equal physical characteristics.

Originally posted by bobeeto64:

Originally posted by stormtrooper261:

I hate how everybody just relies on jedi and sith and the death star for star wars. The empire’s infantry has better armor and weapons then halo. Stormtrooper armor is probably plasma proof and definately bullet proof. The tanks are better than halo. But in space halo has a good chance I must admit. The empire does have the world devastators though and those could turn halo ships into thousands of imperial ships. And ion cannons would shut down weapons and shields and anything electronic on halo ships. The empire would still have numbers on there side. I mean jedi could not keep deflecting bullets forever but they could use the force and stop them in mid air and shoot them back at the attackers. so the empire basically wins by numbers and technology.

fucking dumbass the armor of stormtroopers ins plastic hahhahahaha

well, thats only in the movies if we based it off the games and the books and the world itself its not plastic, and… halo doesnt even have movies and im sure if you look at halo costumes, guess what, there made out of… plastic.

Star Wars wins. Why? Three reasons.

1. Sun Crusher. It was flown through a ship, and survived with barely a few scratches. Also, it causes your star(s) to go nova.

2. Centerpoint Station. Able to control your ships, moons, planets, and even stars from countless light-years away. It can also make things go boom from countless light-years away.

3. Grand Admiral Thrawn. Ridiculously skilled tactician and strategist. He studies your art and knows how to kill you. Thus, the primary question in any SW vs. other universe is: Does Star Wars have Thrawn?

Originally posted by Morcleon:

Star Wars wins. Why? Three reasons.

1. Sun Crusher. It was flown through a ship, and survived with barely a few scratches. Also, it causes your star(s) to go nova.

2. Centerpoint Station. Able to control your ships, moons, planets, and even stars from countless light-years away. It can also make things go boom from countless light-years away.

3. Grand Admiral Thrawn. Ridiculously skilled tactician and strategist. He studies your art and knows how to kill you. Thus, the primary question in any SW vs. other universe is: Does Star Wars have Thrawn?

you cant study evrybody and one good tactition can still lose, numbers even though it sounds stupid but numbers can eventually win against almost anything.

Even though numbers can win against almost anything, star wars has the numbers. And there is a limit if your not as technologly advanced then numbers wont win too often.

I see, I know much more about the halo universe than the star wars universe, but considering everything, they are very equal, if you combine the precursor tech (which includes the flood) the forerunner tech, and the covenant and UNSC tech it probably would be about even, and no one has answered my question, why would they fight in the first place? And if so why would it be halo versus star wars, isn’t republic + UNSC + covenant + jedi versus Empire(or whoever else is the bad guy in star wars these days) + Flood more likely. And if anyone disagrees with this leave a note but I think that George Lucas had some trouble coming up with cool names (lol)

as for the matter of lightsabers they like the energy sword are plasma that in the case of lightsabers are focused through crystals and in the case of energy swords contained with a magnetic field. Wont be able to concentrate enough? They can do it just fine when fighting legions of millions of droids. And the lightsaber is FAR more powerful. The shape of the energy swords is due to their magnetic field not being strong enough to force them into a single beam. This is also why they have one or two hits. The lightsaber has a far stronger magnetic field which would actually disrupt that of the energy sword.

actually after thinking about it a ightsabre on energy sword battle couldn’t happen, if only for the reason that the conflicting magnetic fields would either make the two things pretty much glued together or they would stay far away.

Halos VS Death stars

hmm

Originally posted by DannyDaNinja:

Halos VS Death stars

hmm

Death stars really need star destroyers to back them up…they’re notoriously vulnerable to fighters. (actually, large ships in star wars are ALL incredibly vulnerable to fighters…) Since I imagine a spartan pilot would fly their ship about as well as a Jedi…well, you figure out the rest.

Of course, if someone managed to put a grate on the exhaust vent…that might be a different story.

Originally posted by stormtrooper261:

Even though numbers can win against almost anything, star wars has the numbers. And there is a limit if your not as technologly advanced then numbers wont win too often.

my rule of thumb is, wars empire only really controls 1/4 to 1/2 of the galaxy, unless you’re willing to restrict yourself purely to the original trilogy. If you even begin to touch the books, or take into account the term “unknown regions”, you begin to realize the empire probably doesn’t include the entire galaxy.

Halo, on the other hand, started out with a handful of planets/side, then moved to a fully colonized galaxy…so it really, really, depends on what point on the halo timeline you are talking about.

…halos orbital defense mac’s are enough to rip through pretty much any sheild (even borg cubes would probably have a bit of trouble adapting). The ship-based macs, however, are quite weak. I do not know how wars shields would stand up to those.

Still, to really get an idea of how their firepower compares, I’d need to see them shooting at an object of known size and composition.

…on the other hand, IF halo ships have really, really good aim, then they won’t need to have great weapon-power, as wars shields are useless at the generators themselves. (on a side note, this is why the star trek federation would pwn the wars empire in a fight).

proof that wars shields are weakest at the sheild generator itself?

episode 1: anikan is in a fighter. one of the people on the droid control station says “nothing can get through our sheilds”. now, obviously his saying that causes karma to weaken the shield a bit, but that’s still not enough to explain how a shot from a mere FIGHTER could get through it, certainly not if said individual could even have begun to believe his statement in the first place-unless, of course, the shield was extremely weak at that point to begin with.

There are other cases…we don’t hear “sheilds are failing” very often, what happens is we see the actual generator getting hit. As far as I can recall, EVERY time we see a generator get a direct hit, it is destroyed.
Aside from these weak points, wars sheilds are at least decent…maybe. it’s always hard to tell for sure how strong a shield is…but my guess is, in all OTHER locations over the ship, wars sheilds are significantly stronger than halo ships. I’m not sure.

so…would someone more familiar with halo bring me some idea of how accurate halo weponry is in ship to ship fights?
cause that’s what it’ll come down to.

I hate it when people bump this thread. Every single time, people try to find a justifiable way that Halo could win.

Really. I’ve been over numbers. The issue with claiming Halo’s superiority in numbers is that Star Wars has features many galaxy (And even cross-galaxy) empires. In addition to that, “The” Empire alone was said to control “one and a half million member and conquered worlds, as well as sixty-nine million colonies, protectorates and puppet states”.

The issue with the argument about the generators is that in the scene you’re referencing, Anakin is inside the hangar bay, which is through the shield layer. It’s also worth noting that that was a support ship, not a warship. It was intended to simply be in orbit above a planet during a ground invasion.

As for the accuracy of Halo weaponry; it really depends. Since the majority of Halo ships use turret-based designs or guided rockets; it’s not bad. Only movement would really need to be accounted for. Though, guided missiles would most likely not be particularly accurate. Lasers, of course, would be far more accurate.

Master Chief would do decent….. Until The Force comes into play.

…when I say wars empire, I mean the wars empire from the movies. All others are lesser cannon, at best, and non-cannon at worst. even halo has multi-galaxy empires if you go far enough away from core cannon, but as far as i’m concerned, the major halo races controll about 20-50 systems, total, during the first game…and colonize most of the rest of the galaxy by the time you get to one of the more recent ones. Ok, I could be wrong about that, but I cannot figure out any other explanation for why humans, with around a dozen worlds if your being generous, could not be wiped out by the other major races, if said races saw them as a threat AND said races had over thousands of worlds…yet in later games there are reports of entire arms of the galaxy being controlled. rapid colonization is the only explanation i’ve been able to come up with.

hm…that’s funny…I though anikan managed to hit the shield generator, THEN slipped into the fighter bay, and THEN hit the reactor from within…
Guess i’ll have to watch that scene again.

…hm…

halo would win because star wars cant bomb their forces theirfore advantage halo

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ffs

I think in a ground assault star wars would still kick halos ass. im not so sure about space im with fractalman on the space battle thing.

hey people you guys are wrong halo can bomb you all they want cause you cant do a thing about it

pluse you have no armor on instant advantage

WoW has Chuck Norris…
WoW wins!

Skyman, once you’ve pulled your head out of your ass, please refer to the following:

Originally posted by Captain_Catface:

Originally posted by Captain_Catface:

Star Wars Killer 2.0

Shields: In Star Wars, larger ships are protected with a Ray Shield and a Particle Shield. These shields acted independently of each other, the Ray blocking energy-based weaponry, and the Particle blocking ballistic weaponry. The shields are able to sustain broad damage for massive amounts of time; and can generally only pierced by focused damage on a single location. Because of the double layered shield; it would require both Covenant and UNSC forces to be present; since no ship in the Halo universe is armed with both projectile and energy weaponry. The ships in Halo weren’t even all shielded. The UNSC did not use ship-sized shields; and those that the Covenant used were weak. They could be depleted in a few shots from a MAC, or with a single nuclear missile. In addition, they were forced to lower sections of their shield while firing their plasma weaponry. The shield systems in Halo are simply less powerful.

Also; the use of infantry shielding. In Star Wars, it isn’t particularly common, though Droideka were all equipped with a shield; making them very dangerous. In addition, shields were available against all sorts of damage sources; one of which was sonic. In Halo, all Spartans/Elites were equipped with shields; but they could be depleted with only a few rounds. The massive power difference between weapons would likely result in single hits being enough to deplete them with a blaster rifle. And, considering the firepower of the DC’s, this means even a Spartan or Elite would be decimated in barely two shots.

Weapons: We have been over this. Seriously. The ballistic weaponry used by the UNSC would be almost incapable of piercing the Star Wars ship’s shields; let alone the armor. The Covenant Ships, while more powerful, would still find it difficult to break through the more powerful shielding systems. Still, it would require fire from both ballistics and energy weapons, focused on a single point to disable the shields. The Halo forces simply don’t have the firepower capable to destroy a Star Wars fleet. Star Wars weaponry, on the other hand, is much more powerful. In addition, Star Wars ships are more heavily armed, for example, the armaments on an Imperial II-Star Destroyer were: 10 Tractor Beam Projectors, 20 Heavy Ion Cannons, 30 or more Turbolaser Batteries, 5 Heavy Turbolaser Batteries, and 8 Ion Cannons. The weaponry on a UNSC Marathon-Class is 2 MACs, 5 Fusion Rockets, as many as 300 60-Rocket Archer Missile Pods, and several 50mm Point Defense guns, that could only be used for engaging fighters. This shows that the most powerful ships used by the UNSC are easily outmatched. The Covenant’s strongest ship, their Supercarrier, had a minimum of 7 Energy Projectors, along with an unknown amount of Plasma Turrets, and Pulse Laser Turrets for point defense. It is again beaten in heavy weaponry; though it may possess more light weapons; regardless, the comparative weakness of it’s weapons will result in the light weapons being almost entirely ineffective.

Land: We shall start with the Jedi and Sith: Because of their force manipulation; they will be easily able to dodge or reverse bullets, as well as the much-slower energy weaponry used by the Covenant. More advanced weaponry could still be blocked as easily as blaster fire. In addition, their lightsabers could easily disable plasma swords, thanks to their stronger magnetic field. Personal shielding would also prove to be useless against a lightsaber. For the most part, there is no defense against force blasts, other than having your own psionic abilities; which none of the Halo forces have. As such, a Jedi or Sith would easily be able to massacre the enemy forces.

In addition to the Jedi are the land troops. Consisting of Mandalorian clones, highly-trained Stormtroopers, and AI Battle Droids, they could easily outmatch anything Halo could provide. Both Mandalorians and Droids have superior speed, strength, endurance, and reaction times to humans, resulting in higher skill. They would also be highly resistant to all but the most powerful ballistic rounds. While Spartans would still be faster and stronger; they simply wouldn’t be able to defend against the massive firepower packed by the Star Wars forces, because of their weak defense.

Numbers: I saved this for last, because regardless of what Halo can come up with, this is the trump card. There were billions of Droids and Clones, with hundreds of millions being deployed in single battles. In addition, there were even more Stormtroopers. The Empire consisted of, and recruited from, millions of planets; resulting in a terribly massive number. Even using estimates, the number is enormous: If the Empire controlled only one million inhabited planets, and were only able to recruit one hundred thousand people off of each planet, that results in 100 billion Stormtroopers. In addition, a single Droid factory was capable of producing 1000 Droids per hour. Halo on the other hand consists of the UNSC, the Convenant, the Flood, and what’s left of the Forerunners. The UNSC consisted of the 210 inner colonies, some of which had been destroyed by the Covenant. Almost all of the Outer Colonies had already been glassed. The Covenant doesn’t have a listed amount of colonies, though it can be assumed to be slightly higher than the UNSC; since they were only able to field a slightly higher amount of units. The Flood are still easily defeated. Since they would be entering a new galaxy, they would be forced to ‘build’ a new Gravemind, which would leave them in their feral state for a long time. The Empire, unlike the Forerunner, would have no regrets destroying an infected planet to prevent the infection from spreading. In addition, the massive Droid army would be completely immune to infection, and therefore able to easily destroy any Flood infections; especially since the Flood are terribly weak against high-temperature weaponry.

Lastly, we have the Forerunner Keyship. The keyship is very powerful; it’s portal emitting an EM pulse, and possessing a powerful shield and laser array. The final keyship was most likely destroyed when installation 04b fired; but if it was not, there are still many reasons it would be ineffective. While being the most powerful ship remaining in the Halo universe; it is very close to being on-par with the Star Wars ships, though it still uses inferior weaponry. For this, I am going to say that the Yuuzhan Vong would be the most effective, as their ships are a combination of biological and technological systems. As they wouldn’t be completely disabled; they would be able to provide an adequate opposition. Their weapons consisted of pure plasma, and Worldships contained hundreds of them. In addition, their most powerful weapon, the Dread Weapon, was capable of ripping into enemy ships or stations, and ‘sucking out’ all of the lifeforms. In addition, their Dovin Basals were capable of generation micro-singularities, which would be lethal regardless of the Keyship’s defenses.

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That was my original mega-post, which I thought was enough to end this discussion; but it apparently was not. So, I have decided to take some time to expand on the various topics covered above; including some more detailed explanations.

Shield: I really believe I have explained this as much as is necessary. I am, of course, assuming that before arguing you do know the basics of how energy shields work; and the primary difference between those in Star Wars and those in Halo. In Star Wars, there are separate shield: Those that protect against energy weaponry, and those that deflect against ballistics. These shields are assigned power as-needed based on what collides with the respective shields. This adaptive shielding, combined with the massive amounts of energy dedicated solely to the shields, result in a shield that can only be pierced by focused fire. Halo shields, on the other hand, are a single layer that defends against ballistics and energy weaponry. Halo’s shields also drain power from the ship’s primary power source; as opposed to an independent source. These factors, combined with the relatively low power output of the ships, results in a far more fragile shield.

Weapons: I suppose many of those who actually take the time to read this; and are discussing seriously, already know the basics of ballistic and energy weaponry. These can be divided into four categories: True Ballistics, Beam Weapons, Plasma Weapons, and Energized Bolts. True Ballistics are, however more advanced, low-velocity weapons that rely on kinetic energy and light explosives. They are the weakest weapons available. Beam weapons use an incredibly got beam of light that converts matter at the point of impact into plasma; giving it the ability to, at a massive power drain, bore through the targeted area. Plasma weapons use an electromagnetic field to hold plasma into a ‘ball’ of sorts, which causes massive damage on impact. The last, and generally most powerful, category of weapons are energized bolts. These weapons use a super-dense ‘bullet’ that is contained in a ball of plasma. This combines the kinetic power of a bullet, sped almost to the speed of light, with the energy damage of the plasma bolt. Star Wars features all of these weapons, though primarily plasma and charged bolt weapons. Halo, on the other hand, features only ballistics, weak plasma weaponry, and amazingly inefficient laser weaponry.

Land: Absolutely nothing here needs to be restated. Masterchief’s/Elite’s shields are incredibly weak. The armor employed by all Halo forces is incredibly weak. With an expanded understanding of the weapons, it is easy to establish that Halo is outgunned. A single shot from a bowcaster is more than capable of killing a Spartan. Two at most from a DC blaster. Factoring in that the DC is fully automatic, shoots plasma blasts that move at the speed of light, and has almost unlimited ammo; it cannot be argued that Halo has stronger units. Regarding the Flood: They aren’t a trump card, even remotely. The Flood are incredibly fragile, and would easily be mopped up by the massive legions of plasma-armed Clones/Droids/Troopers.

Numbers: For the love of god, I am not expanding on this. The odds are literally millions to one, against Halo; and the the Star Wars forces could create more units per day than exist in the Halo forces.

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If you read nothing else in this post, please read this: If you are unwilling to make a valid point; and plan on simply shouting that your side is superior, please do not waste your time. If you do plan on making a valid post, please have read my entire post.

I’m just gonna keep quoting this till y’all stop bumping it.

Pretty sure armor is covered under the shielding section. That or the weapons section. That or the numbers section. Dunno. It’s in there somewhere, if I remember right.

lol catface. funny :)

yeah but in star wars three in order 66 the troops murderd 95% of the jedi therefore there only like 5 jedi’s left and there’s like 40 spartan’s. and jedi’s wear robe’s easy for any of their weapon’s to penatrate and spartan’s are notorious for sniping. troops can distract a spartan can come up from behind him in active camo and snipe him out of the air done my case rest

now weapons and rides here’s a list and reason halo would win
1:the banshee super fast could run over almost all of the troops then the spartan’s can come through and wipe out the last of the troops.