Vanilla Mafia [GAME OVER] page 9 (locked)

God dammit helltank I saw which person it was almost instantly when you pointed out it was a puzzle.

Shandys: It’s not N1NjA on the top one.

I am going to try and dismiss it as a mistake though so I can actually play the game.

Anyways.

I’m going to go with Bluji on this one, just lynch inactives, but word of warning: Knoob told me before the game that he was going to choose a good player as one of the mafia, and Kingzak wasn’t it. One mafia player, at least, will be amoung the actives.

I’m not that inactive anyway.
(Okay maybe I am, but I’m busy most of the day.)

>.>
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Nobody’s here
That means I can party

ocelot, I doubt it.

It’s like a trick puzzle:why did the chicken cross the road? Because there was no overhead bridge. It’s logical, but you don’t have a chance in hell of finding it unless told the answer.

Originally posted by helltank:

ocelot, I doubt it.

It’s like a trick puzzle:why did the chicken cross the road? Because there was no overhead bridge. It’s logical, but you don’t have a chance in hell of finding it unless told the answer.

I already found the answer. That’s why.

I am going to Quit Vanilla Mafia. My votes would be biased because I worked out your damn puzzle, and even if it is wrong, then I would still be biased towards the person that I worked out.

Let me do the honours Knoob.

Ocelot committed suicide today, he was…

A TOWNIE!

[I have a newfound dislike of helltank for ruining a mafia for me.]
[Also of Knoob for allowing it to happen.]

Unsuicided under Knoob’s orders

See helltank, look what you’ve done. Shame.

cough update uncough

Originally posted by ocelot:

Originally posted by helltank:

ocelot, I doubt it.

It’s like a trick puzzle:why did the chicken cross the road? Because there was no overhead bridge. It’s logical, but you don’t have a chance in hell of finding it unless told the answer.

I already found the answer. That’s why.

I am going to Quit Vanilla Mafia. My votes would be biased because I worked out your damn puzzle, and even if it is wrong, then I would still be biased towards the person that I worked out.

Let me do the honours Knoob.

Ocelot committed suicide today, he was…

A TOWNIE!

[I have a newfound dislike of helltank for ruining a mafia for me.]
[Also of Knoob for allowing it to happen.]

[Racefan isn’t even one of the players, you nimrod.]

Day Three has ended!

DrumsDragon1998 was lynched. He was…

A TOWNIE!

Originally posted by Knoob85687:

Day Three has ended!

DrumsDragon1998 was lynched. He was…

A TOWNIE!

Oh well. I di sort of lose track of who was being the most suspicious anyway.

Oh crap. So we’re currently at 9/2.

This makes no sense. We should deal with the Mafia who is active before we deal with the potential mafia who might be inactive.

So here’s my proposal:

Originally posted by myhome16:

I FoS VARA for FoSing without one relevant piece of info.
This FoS may or may not be to pressure vara.

His first move, if Vara, (according to my theory) is innocent then maybe myhome tried to sow the seeds of doubt, maybe this train of thought was the one that brought me, helltank and Vara to clashing point. Suggest your ideas and watch the town lynch amoung themselves?

Originally posted by myhome16:

I VOTE KINGZAK for accusing on a joke. I also withdraw my FoSs.

Quick to bandwaggon, about second. Very self preserving tactic, quickly bandwaggon anyone who seems to be stirring trouble. And since Kingzak was acting strange was it a plan between myhome and kingzak?

Another interesting point. If he withdraws FoS he is protecting himself from the suspected’s ire.

Originally posted by myhome16:

To hell with it.
FoS VARA AND HELLTANK AND OCELOT

After he is sure we all have started to look more guilty, he springs an FoS on all three of us, this can be to help move along the arguement, but also to concentrate people on the fact that we were suspicious.

Originally posted by myhome16:

I have a solution.
Kill Helltank.
If he is mafia, kill Ocelot.
If he is town, Kill Vara.
END OF STORY.
Any disagreement?

Originally posted by myhome16:

Originally posted by myhome16:

I have a solution.
Kill Helltank.
If he is mafia, kill Ocelot.
If he is town, Kill Vara.
END OF STORY.
Any disagreement?

I vote Helltank
CAN ANY OF YOU SEE MY LOGIC?

Well, if myhome is mafia two townies with one stone, and he doesn’t even get the blame! It was Vara’s idea, and even if he did attempt to help the idea it would be Vara who eventually got the blame. Just as planned eh? Always coasting along the sidelines, prodding people with his FoSes and withdrawing.

Originally posted by myhome16:

I present evidence refuting that I am mafia (because I am not).

If I were mafia, then I would not have set up that logic split because, at maximum, it could only kill 2 people. This would then give my buddy a humongusly terrible disadvantage over you because he would be outnumbered by 10 to 1. I submit to you that I am not at all that stupid and would NOT under any circumstances put an ally under that kind of duress.

Exactly as you planned. You basically copied my arguement for why Vara is town, but not only that, you decided to point out that you knew full well that it was a rediculously stupid move. Did you plan to say this afterwards? Even if you didn’t you were pretty safe from blame.

Originally posted by myhome16:

Originally posted by ocelot:

In mafia I like to apply guilty until proven innocent so here’s a little FoS list

myhome
SamsterSamster
gaminguru
Mysterymason
dreamsdragon
tofutaco
N1NjA
t6
Shandys
Bluji

Either for inactivity, or just because they haven’t done anything of note or just people I have already voted/FoS in the past.

EDIT: Forgot Bluji.

YAY!!!!! TOP OF THE LIST!!!!!!
Why am I on top of the list?

Like I said before, it just turned out that way. But wouldn’t a mafia player react like this? Paranoia is strong on the mafia side. I can empathise why you would say this, but it was a mistake. If a townie player was on top of the list would he ask why he was top? No. He would probably just assume it was order of signage or just how it turned out so he wouldn’t respond like that.

Originally posted by myhome16:

The reason I asked you why I was at the top of the list was because of wonder. I was going to form a defense based on what you said. If you said I was least trusted, I would refute it, If you said I was at the top because random placement, you would get something like “well why did’t you order it most supisous first”.
The sum: It was a single question, asked out of wonder, not hastly defensiveness, about the placement of my name.

You carry on with that word “refute”. You never say “I’m a town player.” you say “I’m not mafia.” A classic mistake in mafia defence is to make this differentiation. Most town players will claim that they are definately town. A select few townies might say “I’m not mafia” or the all time favorite “What about this guy?” but usually they are mafia tells.

Town provide information. Mafia players convince. They will convince people they are right. Rather than presenting proof, or evidence, a mafia player will play on defence, or try and twist people, convince them. The mafia will not often be the person who actually started the bandwaggon, he is the one who comes afterwards and decides whether he likes it or not before it gets too far. Most of myhome’s “help” has been in the form of either bandwaggoning, influencing a bandwaggon that eventually lead to the death of a town player and generally playing evasive and defensive.

I vote Myhome.

Im going to vote Myhome16 because Ocelot puts up a valid argument that he is a mafia and I already know he is town so he isn’t trying to lead us astray.

Originally posted by gaminguru:

Im going to vote Myhome16 because Ocelot puts up a valid argument that he is a mafia and I already know he is town so he isn’t trying to lead us astray.

[Actually, you don’t know that he is Town. I have never stated this. Therefore, the possibility that he was Mafia and was feinting exists.]

[I’m not supposed to interfere, but you’re basing a claim off of misinformation. If I do not state the alignment of a person, then they are not ‘confirmed’ Townies. He is possibly a Townie, yes, but I have never stated this, so please do not act as if I have.]

Originally posted by ocelot:

This makes no sense. We should deal with the Mafia who is active before we deal with the potential mafia who might be inactive.

So here’s my proposal:

Originally posted by myhome16:

I FoS VARA for FoSing without one relevant piece of info.
This FoS may or may not be to pressure vara.

His first move, if Vara, (according to my theory) is innocent then maybe myhome tried to sow the seeds of doubt, maybe this train of thought was the one that brought me, helltank and Vara to clashing point. Suggest your ideas and watch the town lynch amoung themselves?
Vara FoSed somebody (I am to lazy to check who) at the begining with no evidence, therefore I sumbit that I was FoSing Vara because she had FoSed on no basis.

Originally posted by myhome16:

I VOTE KINGZAK for accusing on a joke. I also withdraw my FoSs.

Quick to bandwaggon, about second. Very self preserving tactic, quickly bandwaggon anyone who seems to be stirring trouble. And since Kingzak was acting strange was it a plan between myhome and kingzak?NO. I do not sheep my allies. It is a horrible Idea. Kingzak is always acting strange, albiet not that strange most of the time, so either he was a scum idiot or a village idiot.

Another interesting point. If he withdraws FoS he is protecting himself from the suspected’s ire.
When you vote someone else, it is preety much a withdrawl of FoS’s. And it really wasn’t THAT much of an FoS in the first place.

Originally posted by myhome16:

To hell with it.
FoS VARA AND HELLTANK AND OCELOT

After he is sure we all have started to look more guilty, he springs an FoS on all three of us, this can be to help move along the arguement, but also to concentrate people on the fact that we were suspicious.
CAUSE YOU WERE SUSPICIOUS.

Originally posted by myhome16:

I have a solution.
Kill Helltank.
If he is mafia, kill Ocelot.
If he is town, Kill Vara.
END OF STORY.
Any disagreement?

Originally posted by myhome16:

Originally posted by myhome16:

I have a solution.
Kill Helltank.
If he is mafia, kill Ocelot.
If he is town, Kill Vara.
END OF STORY.
Any disagreement?

I vote Helltank
CAN ANY OF YOU SEE MY LOGIC?

Well, if myhome is mafia two townies with one stone, and he doesn’t even get the blame! It was Vara’s idea, and even if he did attempt to help the idea it would be Vara who eventually got the blame. Just as planned eh? Always coasting along the sidelines, prodding people with his FoSes and withdrawing.

Vara’s Idea for what, I can’t remember. Please show me how it was her Idea first. And I still stand by this logic, I still say that based off of all the evidence, Vara is the one to be lynched.

Originally posted by myhome16:

I present evidence refuting that I am mafia (because I am not).

If I were mafia, then I would not have set up that logic split because, at maximum, it could only kill 2 people. This would then give my buddy a humongusly terrible disadvantage over you because he would be outnumbered by 10 to 1. I submit to you that I am not at all that stupid and would NOT under any circumstances put an ally under that kind of duress.

Exactly as you planned. You basically copied my arguement for why Vara is town, but not only that, you decided to point out that you knew full well that it was a rediculously stupid move. Did you plan to say this afterwards? Even if you didn’t you were pretty safe from blame._I do admit that you were the originator of this arguement, but I chose to use it in my own case, pointing out that it WAS a horrible Idea, BECAUSE IT IS.

Originally posted by myhome16:

Originally posted by ocelot:

In mafia I like to apply guilty until proven innocent so here’s a little FoS list

myhome
SamsterSamster
gaminguru
Mysterymason
dreamsdragon
tofutaco
N1NjA
t6
Shandys
Bluji

Either for inactivity, or just because they haven’t done anything of note or just people I have already voted/FoS in the past.

EDIT: Forgot Bluji.

YAY!!!!! TOP OF THE LIST!!!!!!
Why am I on top of the list?

Like I said before, it just turned out that way. But wouldn’t a mafia player react like this? Paranoia is strong on the mafia side. I can empathise why you would say this, but it was a mistake. If a townie player was on top of the list would he ask why he was top? No. He would probably just assume it was order of signage or just how it turned out so he wouldn’t respond like that. Wouldn’t they though? I have strong reason to belive most people would, because they have said very little and made subtle points only. This and most people don’t like to die in a mafia.

Originally posted by myhome16:

The reason I asked you why I was at the top of the list was because of wonder. I was going to form a defense based on what you said. If you said I was least trusted, I would refute it, If you said I was at the top because random placement, you would get something like “well why did’t you order it most supisous first”.
The sum: It was a single question, asked out of wonder, not hastly defensiveness, about the placement of my name.

You carry on with that word “refute”. You never say “I’m a town player.” you say “I’m not mafia.” A classic mistake in mafia defence is to make this differentiation. Most town players will claim that they are definately town. A select few townies might say “I’m not mafia” or the all time favorite “What about this guy?” but usually they are mafia tells.

Town provide information. Mafia players convince. They will convince people they are right. Rather than presenting proof, or evidence, a mafia player will play on defence, or try and twist people, convince them. The mafia will not often be the person who actually started the bandwaggon, he is the one who comes afterwards and decides whether he likes it or not before it gets too far. Most of myhome’s “help” has been in the form of either bandwaggoning, influencing a bandwaggon that eventually lead to the death of a town player and generally playing evasive and defensive.

I vote Myhome.

Last bit of refuting (I AM THE SPITE OF YOU) statement is that my personality generally veers to the way of convincing, because I am slightly worse at picking out evidence than most people. I am also one of those “I must be right because brainfuckingyou” people in Real Life. I know that at least 10% of my grade that I have contact with (in class, lunch, halls, etc…) think I am an asshole for this and would preach to you that I am just following my normal behavioral pattern. AND WHAT THE HELL IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN “I am not mafia” and “I am Town”? If X then not Y. If not X then Y. THEY ARE THE SAME STATEMENT!
But, to satisfy you, I am a townie and not mafia.

Originally posted by gaminguru:

Im going to vote Myhome16 because Ocelot puts up a valid argument that he is a mafia and I already know he is town so he isn’t trying to lead us astray.

THEN WHY THE HELL VOTE ME?

Sorry, poor wording. I meant I know that OCELOT is town.

oh you cunning people

Originally posted by myhome16:

Originally posted by Knoob85687:

Introduction

There are no NKs.

How does the game progress in favor of mafia then?

This is an interesting point too. It kinda reinforces if myhome is mafia, if he isn’t then it really doesn’t say anything. Well I reckon lynching myhome is better than a random lynch because like I explained, he hurts town alive and just generally acts scummy.

Anyway, I am a very good player as scum, I know the little things that the gun makes you say. One of them is a change of frame of mind, a simple difference in the way people forumlate thier defence, the way they go about thier votes, how they carry themselves.

If you are town then you are alot like me, I only really seem innocent when I’m a mafia player, I’m good at it. That explains why I’ve run into so many roadblocks to my innocence in this mafia. I generally play scummy when I am town, looking back at my large post I can see it in my own words, the question marks, like I’m trying to convince people to vote.

Anyway, Now down to your defence.

Vara FoSed somebody (I am to lazy to check who) at the beginning with no evidence, therefore I submit that I was FoSing Vara because she had FoSed on no basis

A) She said as much herself, by “Just to get discussion started.” We have already discussed that Vara’s first post means nothing.
B) “(I am too lazy to check who)” Really? If you are too lazy to actually find evidence or attempt to find mafia then why should we not lynch you, even if you are town? If you just post based on what other people are voting or FoSing then you will never have an opinion, and therefore never make a valid contribution for town.

NO. I do not sheep my allies.

So you do admit he is your ally, possible scumslip here? Also, the term is not sheep, it’s bus.

When you vote someone else, it is pretty much a withdrawal of FoSs. (having trouble converting your grammar here.) And it wasn’t THAT much of an FoS in the first place.

This is purely assumption, I do not withdraw my FoSs when I vote.
If you say it was implied that you withdraw them automatically upon voting then why did you write it? You are contradicting your own defence.

CAUSE YOU WERE SUSPICIOUS.

Vara admitted as much herself that she was wrong. Just because vara is very persuasive doesn’t mean someone is guilty whenever she talks, she is human just like any of us, not some preacher of mafia justice. If I’m honest, your FoS at that point targetted EVERYONE, so why is that? Can you explain why you wanted to make everyone more suspicious? After all, we were argueing amongst ourselves. Why would you FoS everyone unless you knew they were town beforehand? A town player doesn’t just FoS everyone who speaks in the world.

Vara’s idea for what, I can’t remember. Please show me how it was her idea first. And I stand by this logic, I still say that based off of all the evidence, Vara is the one to be lynched._

Guess what? I proved that Vara was not stupid enough to make herself the SI, if she was mafia then she knew her actions would make her lynched, as town she would not have known this. Your logic is flawed.
Oh, and I will show you how it was her idea first: She knows that if we were town that she would be lynched, it is the implied consequences when someone writes two whole pages of arguement against someone and they turn out to be town. It’s common knowlege, it’s how every mafia goes. You may have well said “If somebody lynches a townie, they are mafia! If somebody is buddying with a mafia, they are mafia!” Which sums up your “idea”. Not that it was really yours anyway, people used this logic before you knew what a mafia even was.

BECAUSE IT IS. _

At least she had a reason for voting, you are too “Lazy” to even look back at the evidence.
You should try and read what my paragraph was saying before you comment, you basically said your arguement for innocence before “WAS a horrible idea.” Since that was what I was talking about.

Wouldn’t they though? I have strong reason to belive most people would, because they have said very little and made subtle points only. This and most people don’t like to die in a mafia.

By the way.
A) An FoS =/= a bandwaggon or a vote, defending yourself so early because “most people don’t like to die in a mafia” is probably a mafia thing to do.
B) Although nobody particularly enjoys dying in mafia, mafia hate it 4 times as much, since every member of the mafia team is worth 4 townies. If a mafia was lynched at that point it would cost you a win, but if you were town and you were lynched there would be 10 people left, you would still get your win, and since you never really made much of a contribution, why fear death? If you never do anything in the good of town you will never be useful, and therefore your death means nothing to the win. You were hardly even playing.

If my arguement is wrong, please somebody come in and convince me why I shouldn’t try to lynch myhome.

What I mean by somebody probably pertains to somebody I consider definately smarter than me, so Vara.

{ocelot}

His first move, if Vara, (according to my theory) is innocent then maybe myhome tried to sow the seeds of doubt, maybe this train of thought was the one that brought me, helltank and Vara to clashing point. Suggest your ideas and watch the town lynch amoung themselves?

To me, his FoS looks just as serious as mine: not serious at all. It’s just a joke.

[Argument invalid]

Quick to bandwaggon, about second. Very self preserving tactic, quickly bandwaggon anyone who seems to be stirring trouble. And since Kingzak was acting strange was it a plan between myhome and kingzak?

[Argument okay]

Another interesting point. If he withdraws FoS he is protecting himself from the suspected’s ire.

Maybe he had withdrawn it because the FoS was a joke?

[Argument invalid]

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{myhome16}

Vara FoSed somebody (I am to lazy to check who) at the beginning with no evidence, therefore I submit that I was FoSing Vara because she had FoSed on no basis

This has to be the worst defense ever. Your FoS looked like an entirly valid joke until you hereby claimed that it wasn’t a joke and you really suspected me (or, as mafia, thought it was a valid reason to lynch me).

Suddenly, ocelot’s argument isn’t invalid anymore.

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{ocelot}

After he is sure we all have started to look more guilty, he springs an FoS on all three of us, this can be to help move along the arguement, but also to concentrate people on the fact that we were suspicious.

Seems like a way for townies to express their confusion, but I also wonder why a townie would say that istead of waiting.

[Argument meh]

Well, if myhome is mafia two townies with one stone, and he doesn’t even get the blame! It was Vara’s idea, and even if he did attempt to help the idea it would be Vara who eventually got the blame. Just as planned eh? Always coasting along the sidelines, prodding people with his FoSes and withdrawing.

[Argument solid]

Exactly as you planned. You basically copied my arguement for why Vara is town, but not only that, you decided to point out that you knew full well that it was a rediculously stupid move. Did you plan to say this afterwards? Even if you didn’t you were pretty safe from blame.

He doesn’t acknowledge it was a ridiculously stupid move, he cknowledges it would be a ridiculously stupid move of he knew none of were mafia.

However, nobody was blaming him, so it’d be a little pointless to say this if he didn’t fear getting suspected.

[Argument good]

Like I said before, it just turned out that way. But wouldn’t a mafia player react like this? Paranoia is strong on the mafia side. I can empathise why you would say this, but it was a mistake. If a townie player was on top of the list would he ask why he was top? No. He would probably just assume it was order of signage or just how it turned out so he wouldn’t respond like that.

[Argument solid]

You carry on with that word “refute”. You never say “I’m a town player.” you say “I’m not mafia.” A classic mistake in mafia defence is to make this differentiation. Most town players will claim that they are definately town. A select few townies might say “I’m not mafia” or the all time favorite “What about this guy?” but usually they are mafia tells.

[Argument good]

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{Knoob}

Originally posted by Knoob85687:

Originally posted by gaminguru:

Im going to vote Myhome16 because Ocelot puts up a valid argument that he is a mafia and I already know he is town so he isn’t trying to lead us astray.

[Actually, you don’t know that he is Town. I have never stated this. Therefore, the possibility that he was Mafia and was feinting exists.]

[I’m not supposed to interfere, but you’re basing a claim off of misinformation. If I do not state the alignment of a person, then they are not ‘confirmed’ Townies. He is possibly a Townie, yes, but I have never stated this, so please do not act as if I have.]

Oh, you really didn’t?

[Racefan isn’t even one of the players, you nimrod.]

Obviously, ocelot whispered you that the first riddle meant that racefan is mafia. The fact that ocelot even bothers to guess who is mafia and tell that to you means that ocelot isn’t mafia because otherwise he wouldn’t have whispered you “I think racefan is mafia.”.

Additionally, ocelot suicided and it was only because of you he came back, not because he planned to come back. Why would ocelot lie in his supposed-to-be final roleclaim?

Conclusion: ocelot is most obviously town because Knoob told us he is.

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{myhome16}

Myhome16 overreacts to ocelot and brings his personal life ionto the discussion. That’s actually not something I’d expect a player to do, unless he feels like the argument against him is massively invalid.

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{ocelot}

This is an interesting point too. It kinda reinforces if myhome is mafia, if he isn’t then it really doesn’t say anything. Well I reckon lynching myhome is better than a random lynch because like I explained, he hurts town alive and just generally acts scummy.

Myhome16 stated this before the roles were distributed, so he couldn’t have possibly known he would be mafia when he stated that.

[Argument extraordinarily invalid]

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{Vara}

I do generally agree with ocelot, however, I will not vote yet because there’s still a busy discussion going on, and premature votes can be detrimental to a discussion.

(I am not near as good with qoutes as all of you, so now each time you qoute me, it will be assigned a number respective to what quote it is, ex. “Vara FoSed somebody (I am to lazy to check who) at the beginning with no evidence, therefore I submit that I was FoSing Vara because she had FoSed on no basis” is number 2 because it is the second qoute)
@ Ocelot:
1: I asked this Q before I even signed. How does that relate to mafianess?
2: Nononono. I am too lazy to check who Vara FoSed (cause it kinda doesn’t really matter at this point). I would gladly go back and pick up evidence on any subject. And I DO read all of the posts, It is just that, to me, votes and FoSes are valid evidence angainst or for people, just as you do with bandwagon votes.
3: No, this is not “a slip”. It is a general rule of thumb that I follow at all times. I never sacrifice my allies even if it puts me at a huge advantage. As I said, I don’t ever sacrifice them, even in other games. And we can call it whatever we want, k’?
4: Don’t you? I do. If I thought them still suspicious (correct grammer used) I would just say so again.
5: So then It was her idea, of an Idea, that was used before I was born? So, it is entirely common in the world, and I could almost definitly pull it out of thin air.
6: You yourself say that a mafia is worth 4 towns, so how is this bad logic anyways?
7: So what you’re saying is that:
A)“I don’t like to die” is mafia. Well, isn’t any retaliatory vote mafia? And don’t large amounts of people make retaliatory vote, even when they’re town?
B) I don’t fear death. But if I die and when it turns out that I am town, don’t you think that the mafia will gain a slight edge more than they have? And if you keep this attitude, there will be 2 mafia and 3 town left. Then you will think that all those “deaths meaning nothing” were reversed. Also, your logic here is somewhat flawed, a mafia is worth 3 towns because in a 1:4 ratio, they win on a 1:1, so 1:4 – 1:1=0:3 townies.
@ VARA: (these pertain only to points that pertain to me primarily)
1: Honestly, your FoS at the beginning did not seem like a joke to me. Read that as you may.
2: I overreact a lot.

Originally posted by myhome16:

1: I asked this Q before I even signed. How does that relate to mafianess?
2: Nononono. I am too lazy to check who Vara FoSed (cause it kinda doesn’t really matter at this point). I would gladly go back and pick up evidence on any subject. And I DO read all of the posts, It is just that, to me, votes and FoSes are valid evidence angainst or for people, just as you do with bandwagon votes.
3: No, this is not “a slip”. It is a general rule of thumb that I follow at all times. I never sacrifice my allies even if it puts me at a huge advantage. As I said, I don’t ever sacrifice them, even in other games. And we can call it whatever we want, k’?
4: Don’t you? I do. If I thought them still suspicious (correct grammer used) I would just say so again.
5: So then It was her idea, of an Idea, that was used before I was born? So, it is entirely common in the world, and I could almost definitly pull it out of thin air.
6: You yourself say that a mafia is worth 4 towns, so how is this bad logic anyways?
7: So what you’re saying is that:
A)“I don’t like to die” is mafia. Well, isn’t any retaliatory vote mafia? And don’t large amounts of people make retaliatory vote, even when they’re town?
B) I don’t fear death. But if I die and when it turns out that I am town, don’t you think that the mafia will gain a slight edge more than they have? And if you keep this attitude, there will be 2 mafia and 3 town left. Then you will think that all those “deaths meaning nothing” were reversed. Also, your logic here is somewhat flawed, a mafia is worth 3 towns because in a 1:4 ratio, they win on a 1:1, so 1:4 – 1:1=0:3 townies.
@ VARA: (these pertain only to points that pertain to me primarily)
1: Honestly, your FoS at the beginning did not seem like a joke to me. Read that as you may.
2: I overreact a lot.

2, It was obvious that the post was just to get discussion going, whereas a vote can be evidence depending on the circumstances.

3, All I said was the way you put it was like you accidentally called kingzak your ally.

4, I don’t think many people purely assume that one vote will remove all FoSes prior to it, they can carry on till later unless you mention that you are no longer suspicious.

5, I guess you have must have mistaken something. I was talking of two different things, one of them was Vara’s Theory and the other was Your Idea.

6, Because the difference is that purposefully lynching people who we think are innocent based on evidence is different to the comparison of the mafia player’s worth to thier team effort using probability and assuming that the spread of skill is equally distributed. Quite different concepts that you fail to have grasped, obviously, either that or you are just argueing for the sake of argueing because you are a mafia player.

7, B) That is the most ridiculous evaluation of the probability, 3 town and 2 mafia, assuming we will have lynched 7 people, none of which were mafia! I should think that is extremely unlikely. Also, why do you keep pretending to use maths? Your algebra before made no sense, and your attempt to manipulate probability in an invalid way is just digging the hole deeper.

One thing is certain, if myhome turns out to be mafia, I guess it will be a point in favor of Vara’s innocence, but trusting some evidence can be bad, especially if a mafia’s word was involved. Oh, and why do you think we should still lynch Vara? If you state your reasoning in full and vote for her, and it makes perfect sense, then we will definately consider it.

I pass by Vara, vote Myhome

BASE ON MY LOGIC.

I think you still remember. Mhm.

Based on what has been said, vote myhome. If he’s town, then I have no idea.

Unvote me. I am town!
Of course, at this point you really wont believe me.
BUT I AM STILL A TOWN!