[Mafia] Bloodmoon [Day 4] page 5

Ocelot, you just keep adding fire to the flames. You could have stopped giving evidence that indicated Knoob and attempted to settle your dispute without betraying personal conversations via Skype. Ergo, I vote for ocelot.

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Sabin, I don’t think Knoob saying that he hates BC on Skype puts evidence against him. Rather, it helps him. This fact didn’t “add fire to the flames” as you imply. If his intention was to stop the argument, showing that Knoob was voting on a VI tactic helped save him, not the other way around.

Anyways, somebody quiet say something already, it’s like a four man party as is.

I’m not saying much because I have no idea how to proceed with this :P. The argument, honestly, feels kind of redundant so far to me. It looks like a bunch of townies bickering over weird details. I have no idea what we’re trying to accomplish over here.

Devourer, eventually he settled that Knoob wasn’t scum, but if you look closely ocelot originally used the evidence to put the blame on knoob, in an attempt to lynch him.

He used the evidence to say that Knoob was being a VI, which was truthful. I know that ocelot can be deceitful sometimes (>.>), but I don’t think he had ill intentions on Knoob this time. If he did have bad intentions, it wasn’t to kill Knoob, but to save BC like Vara points out as a possibility.

Good point. Honestly, there isn’t any point as to voting at the moment. I vote no one is lynched for day one.

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Noooo, whatever you do, don’t do a no lynch. It’s effectively throwing away a perfectly useful day.

Hold on. Think about it. Maybe ocelot, BC and knoob are all scum, and the whole VI thing was an act. A risky gambit, but one that almost paid off. I’m still voting for ocelot.

Originally posted by devourer359:

Noooo, whatever you do, don’t do a no lynch. It’s effectively throwing away a perfectly useful day.

Agreed- it’s essentially procrastination. Although I enjoy it myself, I wouldn’t explicitly recommend it to anyone in particular. To partake in the activities, I nominate Knoob for the position beneath the guillotine to be beheaded following today’s processions. It’s quite foolish to vote without much “proof” of somebody, but whatever.

Are you voting? Because when I skim down these later I’m going to miss it if it’s not bolded and clear.

Originally posted by Sabin7:

Hold on. Think about it. Maybe ocelot, BC and knoob are all scum, and the whole VI thing was an act. A risky gambit, but one that almost paid off. I’m still voting for ocelot.

Maybe you should show some evidence before voting on this? You just presented a theory with no proof behind it. Maybe there is some, but you sure haven’t shown it. And I’m not going to search for my own proof to back up a theory that I don’t believe. As cunning as ocelot and knoob can be, I’m not too sure if they could pull something off like this. The only thing I can think of that backs this up is the Skype conversation. But they’ve done conversations like that in past mafias. I don’t want to risk a lynch on a hunch like that just yet.

To partake in the activities, I nominate Knoob for the position beneath the guillotine to be beheaded following today’s processions. It’s quite foolish to vote without much “proof” of somebody, but whatever.

Knoob was being a VI. He has since stopped though (I think). I think that it’s also foolish to just lynch him based on the fact that he let his emotions get in control of him. He tends to be smarter than this, and if he’s town, he would be a valuable asset. It’s not worth it to lynch him based on such a little hunch.

I’m not part of this discussion but

The only thing I can think of that backs this up is the Skype conversation

Kind of struck me as impressive cuz I never realized this was you know, allowed.

Kind of struck me as impressive cuz I never realized this was you know, allowed.

It seems similar to PM’s to me and the host hasn’t put out a list of rules, so…

It’s generally something I dislike though.

Well, I guess that’s sort of my fault, since I haven’t disallowed it in this game I guess it can continue, but in future games I’ll disallow it with the only exceptions being if the players are on the same team.

Devourer, remember the third party in question. While I doubt Ocelot or Knoob would try the tactic, BC is quite the experienced player, and if I’m correct, the third mafioso. By arguing and suchlike, the three make themselves appear to be townies. Exactly the tactic a cunning character like BC would try. Besides, we won’t have any better evidence to go off of on Day 1 in the first place. And if ocelot is mafia, this’ll confirm my theory and reveal the identity’s of half the scum.

Originally posted by ocelot:

Anyways, somebody quiet say something already, it’s like a four man party as is.

Hai.
I fit that description, so I’ll jump in. I guess.
I don’t think BC is that conniving. Well, he is, but not enough to get Knoob to go along with a plan he came up with.
Then again, getting a grand slam on the mafia is pretty tempting. (Except for the fact that there’d still be that other side to contend with.)

While I doubt Ocelot or Knoob would try the tactic

I wouldn’t be surprised if they would. It’s not something I see them pulling off successfully though. It’s just the kind of cunning that fits into their playstyle.

By arguing and suchlike, the three make themselves appear to be townies.

But BC hasn’t been talking too much. He just sparked the discussion. If you’re right, he would be either the main or a scum number 2, depending on how he thought this out.

Besides, we won’t have any better evidence to go off of on Day 1 in the first place.

But without a list of evidence to support your theory, I find myself hesitant to consider it. Go ahead if you want, but I don’t want to vote based on a slim chance like this. At most, I would FoS.

Double post because I hate edits.

Well, he is, but not enough to get Knoob to go along with a plan he came up with.

And considering Knoob legitimately dislikes him (to my knowledge)….

Hmm… I’m not buying that Sabin, if anything, I feel like you are trying to quickly lynch an experienced player such as Ocelot to make it easier for you, if you are in fact scum. FoS Sabin

Originally posted by simeng:

Originally posted by devourer359:

Noooo, whatever you do, don’t do a no lynch. It’s effectively throwing away a perfectly useful day.

Agreed- it’s essentially procrastination. Although I enjoy it myself, I wouldn’t explicitly recommend it to anyone in particular. To partake in the activities, I nominate Knoob for the position beneath the guillotine to be beheaded following today’s processions. It’s quite foolish to vote without much “proof” of somebody, but whatever.

[Tell me where the proof is. Actually, even better, show me where I voted.]

[Admittedly, there’s no point behind the latter point. The former point is invalidated because the point of lynching BC was that he’s going to annoy the Hell out of me all game, and he’s so goddamn useless because of it that he’s not going to help the Town side. How many times must I repeat this?]

Devourer, remember the third party in question. While I doubt Ocelot or Knoob would try the tactic, BC is quite the experienced player, and if I’m correct, the third mafioso. By arguing and suchlike, the three make themselves appear to be townies. Exactly the tactic a cunning character like BC would try. Besides, we won’t have any better evidence to go off of on Day 1 in the first place. And if ocelot is mafia, this’ll confirm my theory and reveal the identity’s of half the scum.

[HA HA HA]

[OH GOD YOU’RE FUNNY]

[He’s gotten me killed twice. The first time, we were on the same team. The second, I thought he was a Mafia player because he managed to screw up his role and wanted to extract roles to help the GRAND CULT. Of course, he was the only D1 DK role in the game, and Town-sided.]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they would. It’s not something I see them pulling off successfully though. It’s just the kind of cunning that fits into their playstyle.

[If it was ocelot, he’d push the lynch through. If it was me, well. I don’t like planning that far ahead. BC is a morononononononon. We’ve been arguing with Vara too, and you haven’t dragged her into this.]

[Simeng and Sabin are either inexperienced or have lost the plot. Or are Werewolves/Vampires.]

FoS Sabin and Simeng.

Knoob, this is why I worry. You seem to forget that I’m the second most experienced player outside of BC, which is why I see through this cunning ploy. If you, ocelot, and BC WEREN’T scum then you would have no reason to NOT push for ocelots death. And now, you are fingering me purely based on the fact that I’m accusing you of being scum, instead of grouping up on a common enemy. Not to mention that IF ocelot is innocent, you’ll be exonerated. Those all point to signs of scum, in my opinion.

Heh. So basically Sabin is trying to vote ocelot because he saved BC and Knoob from killing each other, maybe I seem like a threat to mafias since this means that I stopped actual townies from commiting suicide, I know it makes it hard for you to win if I stop people from lynching townies.

And to you claiming to be second most experienced, that makes no difference to either the way you act, or the percentage change of getting a mafia role, it has no relevance. Being experienced =/= Automatically innocent. Another thing, experience can only get you so far, every mafia is different. As I quote from AN: “Mafia games are awesome in that every game is a totally new experience, and previous knowledge of scumtells and such can only get you so far.” Previous knowlege can only get you so far, meaning experience =/= always right.

I vote Sabin7 for not only being presuptuous, but also for using the act of me protecting two townies against me as invalid evidence, perhaps trying to force a lynch for practically no good reason.

To be honest, if two of my mafia buddies would try to make some sort of innocence plan by argueing, I would be the first one to lynch my allies, in fact, I’m one of the most ruthless teamkilling players when I’m mafia.

[Hah, Knoob is fingering Sabin.]

…so you’re working together, to prove that you’re not working together. :^I

Originally posted by SilentSam:

…so you’re working together, to prove that you’re not working together. :^I

You don’t understand what happened. I stopped people killing each other, and people seem to be saying that’s a bad thing or that we are mafia working together, then mr. Sabin over there seems to think that I did some sort of scumtells that I don’t really see to be honest.

If anything I think this encounter incriminated Knoob more than me, him trying to lynch BC for shit reasons. Then when I tell Knoob to stop being a dickhead I get like “OMG UR WORKING TOGETHERR WITH KNOB”.

I don’t see the sense in any of that.

Another tactic a mafia normally uses includes trying to incriminate two people at once, if they both use real evidence to defend themself and one another it looks like they are buddying up, it’s a cunning tactic but anyone can see it’s a trap to get us to seem more mafia like when it comes to light, I’ve seen this first hand in Vanilla Mafia, Vara incriminated me and helltank at the same time, even though both of us were town we seemed to be buddying up because of the incrimination, we defended ourselves, and helltank felt he owed me something from seemingly protecting him (i.e. lynching an idiot) day one. That way it looked as if we were mafia buddies and when helltank was lynched Vara went very quiet indeed. Fortunately everything that happened before helltank was lynched led me to believe Vara was town, I was right and managed to stop further suspicion/lynching upon her by supporting her with evidence, again, that may look like buddying up, but what it really was included a smart person figuring out who was town.

The fact that you use this supposed “buddying up” as some sort of scumtell sickens me, you obviously don’t understand that people can work together without being mafia, or if you do, since you claim to be so experienced, why don’t you demonstrate it and back off with that rediculous vote of yours.

Oh. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. Mafia would try to get towns to kill themselves, no profit in keeping them around.
As per the reasons for you working with Knoob, you posted those Skype messages with Knoob, which shows you’re talking to him, which infers you’re working with him. I know that you and knoob do actually just talk, so it didn’t really phase me, but for others it could easily seem suspicious.
BC’s gone oddly quiet though.

BC is offline.

Sometimes people have what is called commonly in this society a “life”.

I don’t see the point in it, I mean, who wants to go out places rather than stay in and stare at the screen?