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Gaaaah, I missed your first modprod >.< So sorry for appearing so late.
I went over stuff in the thread, and feel like commenting on these stuff (I could comment on CF’s post about FoS’s in general, but I agree with everything devourer said in his interpretations of the post, so it would be redundant).
(Hyped)
And since I don’t like questions. Vote: Devourer359 FoS me if you want. Let’s see where that gets you.
Don’t like questions? How are you going to get anywhere without questions? Seems like an OMGUS vote to me.
(Adv0)
Well, I’m here. I just don’t know what to say, sorry.
Comment on Jask/CF’s post/Hyped’s vote?
(DAZ)
Silver lurks for the whole time and he comes out once to vote. That kind of shows he IS watching the thread, just not posting. Posting helps us scumhunt…unless he doesn’t want to do anything productive? Admit it, this vote has some merit when you think about it.
He voted?
I could be wrong, but I’ve mostly seen SE being pretty aggressive when he is town. There’s a point in that.
(devourer)
Wut. So you’re agreeing with me now?
What’s your problem with people agreeing with you anyway? :p
(Behemoth)
At last I finished reading everything that was going on. I’ll be also voting SilverEvil because, as DragonArcherZ and don’trememberwhoitwas (think that CowFriend, but too lazy to look back again), he never contributed anything useful and he was/is lurking all this time.
Seems a wee bit hypocritical when you yourself didn’t give out any of your own opinions when voting SE.
(Hyped)
It may provoke one of you to make a premature FoS which could lead to a bandwagon on me.
There is this thing called “defending yourself”. Defensive much?
Which is something I don’t want, since I want to win and all.
As town, you’d want to hunt for scum and worry less about your survival.
let’s say I was scum. why would I post something that seems so scummy. Why self-sabotage myself like that.
A scumslip. Everyone makes mistakes sometime or the other.
I thought i could just not state my position onto topic so scum doesn’t aim for me.
It’s your damn stance. Why will the scum specifically aim for you if you just state that you find one of them suspicious for this and this reason? Won’t that make it stupidly obvious who is scum?
So, I reveal stance. My stance is same as a scum.
Wut. You mean you have a 100% on who is scum and who is not?
So yes. I reveal stance, it helps the Scum Hunt for other people.
Other people being other townies… I am not sure you realize this, but unlike scum, townies are totally dependent on each other when it comes to taking any decisions due to how lynches are decided. If a townie doesn’t co-operate with other townies, he is either a bad townie AKA VI or scum. Neither of those should help you win if you are scum.
(devourer)
And creating WIFOM on purpose is scummy, as it is deliberately confusing town.
Isn’t it a form of defense too? You are basically showing how the point against you can be interpreted in two different ways.
And going further, there are those that NK completely randomly, which throws this logic further off.
Addendum: NKing randomly is extremely common nowadays.
(DAZ)
I honestly believe Hyped isn’t scum, he’s just a VI from the way he acts. He’s not helping our scumhunt, but it’s not like he’s trying to hamper it either.
Is he likelier to be a VI or a scum, considering Jask’s vote before his replacement? I mean, scum status can be inherited, but not VI status.
(Hyped)
So you say that I am scummy because Jask acted scummy.
Well, replacements can sometimes lend you some pretty useful info. Like, in Relationships (though the example might be moot because it was an all townie game), ocelot was so damn scummy that I was almost ready to wagon on him. Then he got replaced by Zzzip, who managed to prove his innocence eventually though he probably broke a rule back there
Point is, devourer isn’t calling you scummy because Jask was scummy. Jask being scummy reinforces the argument against you. Your behavior seriously ranges between a VI and scum, so Jask’s behavior just makes it seem like you are likelier to be scum.
But you say even if I wasn’t scummy you would lynch me.
Wut. Wer. devourer is leading a policy lynch against you?
So couldn’t you be just be avoiding your scumlike actions by questioning me?
I am pretty sure that’s scumhunting. Scum are bound to make scumslips eventually. Asking a lot of sensible questions that make you seem less scummy means that the other guy is lending you the avenues for the questions.
But since I defend myself against scum accusations, that should mean I’m not scum.
Scum would do that too….
Dev is trying to find some solid evidence to make everyone bandwagon me.
If it is ‘solid evidence’, what’s the problem in the bandwagon?
I could be made easy bait for the scum to come out. but I don’t know, only like 1/5 of people are posting.
Ahaha, second bait of the game. Though I was jok
Nvm.
(DAZ)
Did he even mention Jask? Forgive me if I missed it, but I’m pretty sure he never mentioned him.
He did.
(devourer said, earlier)
In addition, you happen to be the replacement for Jaskaran, who was acting like scum by avoiding questions, which reinforces my leaning towards SI.
(devourer)
Silver’s post history makes me reluctant to vote him based solely off of lurking.
I don’t suppose you could quote a coupla examples? I think I only ever played Prison Mafia (which went up in smoke) and Ytivitca (in which he was a Mime) with SE. Oh wait, I played Relationships with him too. But that was a scumless game, so it doesn’t give me a good idea of SE’s posting history.
All in all, you’re acting suspiciously defensive.
Maybe that’s how he normally acts? :p
Why bait in a way that does not even attempt to discriminate between scum and town?
Hear hear.
(Hyped)
I could reverse the position but that would be a waste of time for him and for me
Huh? You can reverse the position?
As it’s not even helping the fact that we’re not exactly getting anywhere. At least I’m think we’re not getting anywhere.
Okay, I am curious enough to ask you now. Do you think devourer is scum?
Since I’m assuming we’re both on the same team.
Why?
I post vaguely to see Dev’s reactions.
Didn’t you say:
I don’t want to get lynched.
How does acting vaguely help anyone?
(DAZ)
Also, who here is normally active in mafias and is not very active? That might provide some interesting discussion; I’m afraid I don’t have much info.
I am usually pretty active, but I thought this game had died and missed the first modprod.
(Behemoth)
A resume could work.
Wut.
He’s behaving pretty strangely but, as this is my first/second Mafia I play, I don’t know his playstyle.
You don’t need to know his playstyle. From a spectator’s PoV, do you think scum AKA informed minority would behave in the same way as Hyped?
What’s your stance on SE? Can you describe in your own words why you find him scummy?
(CF)
He’s answering pretty openly to attacks instead of just going inactive.
Wouldn’t going active seem scummy? Though you might have a point. When I was a newbie scum, getting attacked usually made me start lurking and hoping that the discussion swayed.
(Behemoth)
When does the day end? Is this the never goind down sun?
What with the sudden interest in ending the day? That never bodes well. PoS: Behemoth.
(DAZ)
Why on earth can’t you actively participate in posting?
Who is that directed at?
In conclusion, I have decided that my vote on Hyped stands. I do feel like he could be a VI, given how he has posted in the past, but I do feel like he is getting a bit too desperate with his arguments. While I find Behemoth suspicious myself for his (slightly) hypocritical vote and eagerness to end the day, the former isn’t reflected in Hyped’s vote (which is entirely about scumwagoning, and involves no questioning of Behemoth’s intentions with his vote), while the latter came after the vote.
Behemoth seems suspicious to me too. Beside the above, I find it weird how passive he has been after Hyped voted him and accused him of scumwagoning. It would make sense to at least try to elaborate on his vote so as to get Hyped to unvote him.
DAZ is a null. He seems kinda eager on his suggestion that Hyped is likelier VI than scum, with his comments on Hyped’s posts, though it doesn’t really feel like he is fellow scum.
Devourer seems town to me. He has been questioning stuff and most of his conclusions feel okay to me. He is pressuring Hyped a bit, but it is sensible since Hyped is being really vague.
CF’s vote on SE seems reasonable considering how inactive and noncontributive SE has been.
