Taronium's little doodle corner... page 2

Uh, Ah, I have to squeeze a post in, otherwise I’ll have too big a gap, hehe.

THANK YOU, all of you!
Thanks, Elminister, jumping in with good advice and intentions.
Ozzy, you’re always welcome and have no reason to worry. I just tried not to clutter the thread with my own replies.
GraphicDesignC, THANKS, hehe, yeah, can’t help it, it’s just me doing what I do. It took many years to embrace that once style should be honest and should be allowed to come out the way it wants to. I wasn’t always happy about it, but did learn to appreciate letting me go. :o}

New Batch:

“Broken Respect” is awesome :) No idea how you managed to make that look so good ahah

HAHAhaha, thanks, Ozzy, I have no idea either how I made it, but I’m glad you like it, too! :o}
Once upon a time, many years ago, I saw some H.R.Giger paintings and wondered what made them look so amazing. I noticed that he often shows no respect for his finest details, so careful crafted, by simply smashing dirt all over them at the end. It kind of elevated the confidence behind it all. You kind of create a disparity, a contrast between the good and the rotten, both elevating each other to a higher level.

Anyway, here’s the next batch:

Now, all these you make in sculptris and import over to a painting program like corel painter or Photoshop correct?

No, he’s using the avatar creation game, Kongregate Avatar Creator CONTEST on Kong.

Thanks for posting the link, Angel! Only the first two posts show the halloween doodles I did with Sculptris. All the little thumbnails here are also links to the Avatar Creator here in which I’ve made them, as you’ll be able to see when it starts playing back my sketching. Just click on one of the little images and you’ll see! ;o)

Reserved for next batch:

Did you put a face into your"bubbles" avatar on purpose or is it just a coincidence?

Haha, nah, that’s coincidence. My genius is limited… LOL. But I do love when people start to see things! :o}

Little bump with a new batch…

Its to bad you were not part of the avatar creator contest group when it was in its hay-day,
you would be much more well known and perhaps the same three avatars wouldnt be the most highly rated all the time.

Thanks, Elminster, that’s definitely enjoyable to hear. I’m just having fun with doodling, though, so it’s not about popularity or competition, for that matter. Imagine I would’ve been there and somehow one or two of mine would have gotten stuck up there. Would’ve been just as tiresome. It’s a shame it’s not generally frequented more and people don’t care to show much appreciation. BUT it matters not. Thank goodness. 8)
Glad you’ve found it and manage to boost my joy with it frequently! 8}

Hey Taron. I saw a lot of your things in avatar creator. Impressive work. :) I was wondering, do you take requests?

Thanks for your courtesy to ask before asking, hehe. I can’t really tell you, if I’ll jump on it, but if I like what you’d want me to do, I might just do it. :o)

I read through the thread before posting just to be sure you didn’t specify. And, I understand if you choose not to fill my request. Anyway, In the link to the image I’m posting is a picture of “Gannicus.” He’s the face in my current avatar. To me, this image has an interesting array of lighting, and I’m curious to how well you could re-create the lighting yourself. Though from what I’ve seen of your work, I don’t think you’d have much of a problem doing that.

Anyway.

:) Thanks for at least looking at it.

Nothing is really ever a problem. The question is only, is it fun or not. I generally never work with reference, really. Only once in a while I’m curious about something or somehow just horny, looking for an excuse to check out some nudies, hahahaha, kidding a bit, because it’s actually a bit more complicated than that. When you start looking for reference on the human body, you’ll be bombarded with sex, with or without filters. At the end I find myself to be only a man, weak to resist the over stimulation, but still trying to make the best of it.

So, eh…this sort of thing would be perfect for cube_man. He likes to translate pictures.

Thanks, though! Who knows, maybe I’ll goof around and do something, but I won’t make promises.

Avatar Creator failed completely for the first time to save this thing. I’ve tried it in every which way I could think of, but it just wouldn’t save the damn thing. So I took a snapshot. It’s just a dumb caricature of him, but it was fun and I was looking forward to watching my own paint job, hehe…damn. Real pity. But you can still grab it and scale it down, if you’d like it as avatar. Unless you feel insulted that I made a bit of fun…
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Lol he appears to be mentally retarded. The face is a little wide and the eyes a little too close, left eye (his right) looks a little oblong, and the nose looks funny. Also the lips are massive. That being said I think it looks great, considering the lack of tools that it has in comparison to softwares, definitely some raw talent there. Maybe on the next one you do, don’t use a reference? They are good for practice yeah but I’d like to see some of your own work.

C A R I C A T U R E. Do you know what that word means? It means: Exaggeration of facial features to make fun of a subject’s visual traits/features. In fact, our brain uses this device to memorize faces, actually storing exaggerations of what we’re looking at to make easier distinctions between otherwise very fine nuances. SO,that being said, I also think there’s a great hint of retardation in his looks and I merely tried to bring it out more, hahahaha.
I find it a waste of time to just “copy” a picture, while I have the skill to do that quite accurately as I only noticed about a year ago. I never ever really do that, but when drpetter and I started to write a painter together, I felt compelled to give it a go with a few Ziegfeld models. I at least took the challenge to reinterpret old, withered pictures. Great fun, but quite exhausting. Wonna see? Not sure, if I’m allowed to post artistic nudity here?

But then, why would I feel the need to proof anything to you anyway, hahaha… kinda funny. But well, challenge me and I answer, I guess. Hmmm…

Alright, pride aside, you’re very right, I still have a lot of growing to do and value your opinion. 8)

(holy cannoly, I’ve just dug up those Ziegfeld studies again…I’ve done them before I programmed a zoom function, nearly breaking my eye-sight for some of the details, especially the faces, which I decided to beautify according to my own taste, of course. But I guess I can’t help but be somewhat proud and stunned about those. It’s a bit surreal, that I was able to pull those off like that.)

I like what you did Taron. Looking at the picture I thought of steven tyler. So, I will call him Steven’s ancestor. :D

Thanks for the effort, and I really like what you did with the picture! :D

You’re very welcome and I’m happy you like it! 8)
Can’t believe that Avatar Creator crapped out on me with the saving. I wonder if it ended up being too many strokes?! Not a very comforting experience, but possible a valuable one no less.

Anyway…been some good fun. 8}

Originally posted by Taronium:

C A R I C A T U R E. Do you know what that word means? It means: Exaggeration of facial features to make fun of a subject’s visual traits/features. In fact, our brain uses this device to memorize faces, actually storing exaggerations of what we’re looking at to make easier distinctions between otherwise very fine nuances. SO,that being said, I also think there’s a great hint of retardation in his looks and I merely tried to bring it out more, hahahaha.
I find it a waste of time to just “copy” a picture, while I have the skill to do that quite accurately as I only noticed about a year ago. I never ever really do that, but when drpetter and I started to write a painter together, I felt compelled to give it a go with a few Ziegfeld models. I at least took the challenge to reinterpret old, withered pictures. Great fun, but quite exhausting. Wonna see? Not sure, if I’m allowed to post artistic nudity here?

But then, why would I feel the need to proof anything to you anyway, hahaha… kinda funny. But well, challenge me and I answer, I guess. Hmmm…

Alright, pride aside, you’re very right, I still have a lot of growing to do and value your opinion. 8)

(holy cannoly, I’ve just dug up those Ziegfeld studies again…I’ve done them before I programmed a zoom function, nearly breaking my eye-sight for some of the details, especially the faces, which I decided to beautify according to my own taste, of course. But I guess I can’t help but be somewhat proud and stunned about those. It’s a bit surreal, that I was able to pull those off like that.)

I wasn’t trying to imply you were bad or anything, and I didn’t mean to come off harsh in calling him retarded. I think it’s really good but it is just funny looking lol. I personally as an artist sometime get in the habit of using references, and I personally find it harder and sometimes more skill-improving to actually raw sketch something myself and then digitally paint that design. If you can figure out the lighting and shading properly for that sketch then it is much more rewarding to yourself rather than using a reference photo (If you understand where I’m coming from)

And actually I had no clue what caricature was, thanks for introducing me to the term. Learn something new every day! Also I have no clue what ziegfeld is either, I am assuming he’s an artist that wrote a help book, which would make most sense to me. Anyways I would like to see some of your other art. I wasn’t trying to issue any subtle nuances of a challenge so don’t take it that way, I was just trying to give a little advice is all. If you’re going to take it as a challenge I’d rather not see any of the other art, just because of the fact that I’d be forcing you to make something out of your comfort zone. I am just saying, sometimes you need to come out of your comfort zone to really really improve and learn your artwork, learn your artstyle (Which I think you have learned, very well) and learn a little bit about yourself.

Sometimes when I find myself experiencing the same art style repeatedly I get in a melancholy state and I get bored of doing the same thing over, and over, and over, then I need to take a break from that art style and do something different, because I already learned all I could from it. Then I try another art style and apply the previous to what I am now learning, which evolves your style and allows you to take a break from one art style while still learning new technique with another.

I should have looked at the forum before commenting on the snapshot, meh oh well.
You really dont notice the squished face when its a smaller picture though.

I have been to your website but there really isnt much there, do you have any other of your works anywhere else or is that all youve put on the web?

Elminster? What do you mean? I’m not sure I understand what this is about… :o. …but I do have a bunch of stuff in galleries all over the web, I think. CGHub.com, CGtalk.com, Ambient Design’s website… eh… lots of places most of which I actually forgot, because I stepped out of all of this a long time ago. Only rarely I update anything, also because I’m not in the mood to do new stuff, really. At least I haven’t been. Sculptris stuff was pretty much the latest big batch of things I did and released.

GraphicDesignC … Caricature means: IT IS MEANT TO LOOK FUNNY. Never ever seen a funny painting of somebody’s face? A celebrity? Mad Magazine? Fascinating.
“Ziegfeld”: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florenz_Ziegfeld,_Jr.

I’ve done a few of them as experiments with my own paint software. Now you have to understand, to make them I simply had the photo NEXT to my canvas in its own window (explorer), not ON it. If you were to put them on top of each other, you would quickly see that it’s not traced or the likes. Even more crazy is the fact that I had NO ZOOM, meaning that I often had to put my nose on the screen (quasi) and carefully get them pixels right, hehehe. But you’re not going to read all this, are you? Anyway, here it goes:

[ Forum mod note: Images are tasteful, yet still NSFW. Please make sure anything possibly NSFW is flagged as such. ]

ORIGINAL Ziegfeld Folly: http://summertime75.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/virginia-biddle.jpg
My exercise result: http://www.taron.de/canvarion/images/Ziegfeld_Girl02.jpg

ORIGINAL Ziegfeld: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l94t00oewT1qb8ugro1_500.jpg
My exercise: http://www.taron.de/canvarion/images/Ziegfeld_Girl01.jpg

I hope this makes it a bit more clear that I don’t accidentally made a funny looking face up there.

It’s good to shake things up regularly, that’s very right. You can’t imagine the extend to which I’m doing that for the last 25 years, hahaha. Not only do I switch styles, I switch fields, HAHA. I go from sketching to 3d stuff (modeling, animating, well…everything) to programming tools/games to making music to writing philosophy to sitting around and think whilst smoking and juggling cats and all the while I keep observing. And that’s really the major key in all of this. Keep observing! Not just with your eyes on the world around you, but with your mind, diving into things, grasping the nature and logic of things. Consider forms and structures. Try to think why things are the way they are from the ground up. When you begin to recognize the logic, then you begin to be able to create with powerful roots.
I never feel and felt like there was much to learn from “copying” photographs or even studying based on such. Even “copying” real life reference in front of me is not the way I learn, even if it is more challenging, too. I’ve done that a few times, too, with Artrage, back in the day….
Artrage Forum Gallery
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Anyway…it’s really ideal, if you develop an understanding for the logic behind everything, including the human perception.
But enough of all this right now… hehe, don’t want this thread to become too boring for most. ;o)

Fascinating. I can see why all of your work is so impressive, if you have been doing it for 25 years. I have only been doing this for 5 years now (Since freshman year of highschool) I gradually improve in my artwork, I normally do 1 piece a day, sometimes 1 a week, it depends on my mood really. I spent a lot of time on photoshop back in the day, that’s where most of my experience comes from. The most joy and time consuming art style, or method rather, is digital painting. It’s always exciting what you can come up with when you bring your deepest thoughts to fruition on paper, or on a screen. I definitely am an abstract thinker, I never have exactly enjoyed schooling, I am a smart guy but I just don’t enjoy learning anything of a solid nature, like mathematics, I enjoy things like history, and I have a fairly decent understanding of reading and writing, even though I don’t enjoy it.

That’s where I come to terms with my abstract thinking really, I enjoy the fine arts, and discussing art, and making art. I would like this to be a career someday, it is my dream; it’s just tough to make it a reality in this day and age with so many ‘aspiring’ artists. I’m nowhere near the best artist in the world, or even on this site, but for being around art long enough you begin to come to terms with it,and develop a more abstract and more intelligent understanding of it. Art becomes less humorous at times, but indeed more enjoyable with the experience developed over hours spent.

But you’re not going to read all this, are you? Anyway, here it goes:

I read all of it, minus the wikipedia article, that is for another day. I am working on a logo for a client at the moment. Anyways thanks for the fine convo, you definitely taught me a few things, I suppose I will take more time to just get a strong look at everything I am seeing, rather than just seeing past the colors and dullness of things I suppose I will try to see things more vibrantly so I can understand the lighting and shading of things.

Also, did you paint this?

If so, I had to do a double take to realize it was a painting, it’s very very nice. Especially the detailing on the mask. A very very beautiful piece.

What I ment before was that I went to your “art” pictures and commented on your saved picture of Gannicus and I just thaught you made it wierd perhaps by mistake because I didnt realise it was a Caricature.