The arts and sounds

I don’t know if a thread has been made for this point before.. tried looking and didn’t see anything, but there has got to be a way to stop people from just going on the arts and sounds section and just voting everything a 1 star. its beyond bothersome. It can stop other people from looking at it or listening to it because they see the rating and think its crap. Is there some way of making them comment to be able to vote? that way we know who may be the troll? or if they actually think it deserves 1 star and will be able to tell us why.

I rate things 1 star sometimes without saying why. Somtimes I’ll 1 star something that has like a 4.15, but I think it’s a 4/5 so I’ll rate it 1/5 to average it out to something I think it deserves. That’s how I go by on my personal rating system though. Like if something has a 3.5/5 I’ll give it a 5 to round it to 4/5 if I think it’s a 4/5. If something is just plain crappy, like honestly these kids that upload really crappy scanned doodles I just give them 1-3/5, usually 1. They just aren’t to par with what I consider to be good. Maybe that’s like a ‘mean’ thing to do, it’s not necessarily that I am trying to discourage new users to continue learning, but I do it because they need to improve, it’s that simple. Rather than taking a 1/5 as an insult; unless they say something like ‘f*ck you your art sucks’ don’t take it as an insult. Not everybody is going to say why or why not. Just accept it as such and leave it at that. If you’re getting 1/5’s take it as a sign that you need improvement. It was probably me that rated it 1/5 if you recently uploaded something, I was going through the collabs earlier. I don’t have the time to go through and comment on every thing and tell you why it’s bad, sometimes I just give it the rating I give it and leave it at that.

Listen if you’re going to go through my art and rate it all 1 just in spite of me actually rating yours with a 1 for good reason, then you probably shouldn’t be here. Taking something so literally is just going to stop you from getting anywhere and learning. Rather than getting pissed you could be nice about it and thank me for taking 25 minutes to critique the 2 pieces you posted up. I am just going to stop trying to help these new people, it’s ridiculous how arrogant and stupid they are.

Originally posted by GraphicDesignC:

Listen if you’re going to go through my art and rate it all 1 just in spite of me actually rating yours with a 1 for good reason, then you probably shouldn’t be here. Taking something so literally is just going to stop you from getting anywhere and learning. Rather than getting pissed you could be nice about it and thank me for taking 25 minutes to critique the 2 pieces you posted up. I am just going to stop trying to help these new people, it’s ridiculous how arrogant and stupid they are.

Some might be arrogant, but there are some people (Like me) who really want to be helped.

This post has been removed by an administrator or moderator

Okay, then how about you go to the collabs and read why I gave you 1/5’s. And you are arrogant, I suggest you learn to accept that before you can get over it. Maybe you should listen to someone that actually knows a lot about art before you go around down rating everything they make out of anger, absolutely absurd.

well their are people who compare hand drawn art to the 3D digital stuff and gives them 1 stars based on that.. when instead they should be rated on how it was done, the effort that looks to be put into it and the finale out look of it. yes the last two that had 1ns on them were you and i did in fact read your critique and agree with some of it. but i find that most people look at it and compare it to other art. which shouldn’t be done. unless the other art was made by the same person. Because everyone has their own style it can only be compared with that style. well ether way i find your rating system ok.

wait what?? im sorry but ive gone through your art many many times before. in not some pissed of prick. i actually agreed with some of your critique >.> the only thing i rated one on you was that brain.. and i switched that to a 3 cause i didnt mean to hit one. but you went and removed it.

speaking of the brain i kinda liked it without the bubbles.. :3
(though i doubt you are even goin to look at the thread again after that rant)

Sure everyone has their own style, but I base it on skill. Yes I am biased and base my opinions off of popular artists because they actually follow proper technique. Without technique you’re just another caveman drawing on walls. Sure we have our own styles but until you decide to continue to learn and really improve you will be getting 1/5’s from me, regardless of how you may downrate my stuff out of spite, I do it with actual reason. You may not like it, but honestly executing technique and using proper form and shading, depth, negative and positive space, lighting, positioning, color choice and everything else that you need to learn then dude, I’m not going to give you pity 5/5’s. And just because you want to act like a little jerk about it it isn’t going to stop me from thinking the same of your art and your style. You can rate 1’s all day long man, but it still doesn’t change the fact that you aren’t doing proper technique. You may have a style now, but wait until you actually develop. This was the first piece I ever made in Photoshop.

Now tell me, just because I may have my own style, and would have had my own technique back then, that this is a 3/5. It really isn’t. Without the skill and technique you don’t have genuinely decent art. Being an artist is also being one with yourself in a lot of ways. If you can’t be critical of yourself then improvement is unlikely! Even I can say my first pieces sucked dude, I mean seriously, it looks horrible lol. Why would I want somebody to be nice about it? Rather than wanting people to be nice, you should really be accepting the advice you are being given. I have been doing this for 5 years, Taronium and Pete have been doing it for over 20! I mean they are crazy good. Without the determination and sometimes the push to get there, then you won’t get there. A lot of people have been harsh and critical about my pieces however I have learned to move past that and actually accept what they have to say.

Although it appears I am insulting you and being critical about your art I’m not insulting you, I get it. You put a piece of yourself into your artwork and put all of your heart into it and some ‘asshole’ comes around and rates it 1 without reason. Well I did it with reason bud, and I even was kind enough to give you about 45 reasons why I gave it the rating I did. Yet you go through and rate my most recent piece a 1 without even telling me why. I am fine with having a rating of 1, but without a reason it’s just another troll. I understand sometimes people don’t have time to say why, however I know for a fact that it was you. Doing that in spite of my rating without reason, you did it out of anger which is ridiculous. I may be brutally honest, but you think that I am the only ‘asshole’ you’ll hear it from? Hell no, at least I am being nice about it. Or am trying my best to, however you’re just being a major jerkoff to someone who is trying to help you. I even re-uploaded it and you re-rated a 1, like wow dude. After this post I am never going to help you again, you’re a fool.

Also, here’s where 5 years (Just a generalization) has gotten me. It’s not the best, but it took 7 hours to make. It takes patience is what I am getting at. Having skill doesn’t just come to you in a dream.

I still have a long ass way to go if I want to get 5/5 ratings. Most of the stuff I make is like 3.5/5 and 4/5 rarely. You are just starting out. You want me to give you a pity 3/5? Do you? I can do that, but you won’t get anywhere, and I guarantee it. I can give you false hope if you want me to dude it’s no problem, but if you want to go anywhere you’re going to have to take some beatings, just like I did. Do you have any idea how hard I raged at kids insulting my starting artwork? I raged a lot man, but without those people today I would not be where I am. People have to be critical because that means they are being honest, I would rather have them be critical than lie to me and tell me something crappy I make is really good.

Hopefully now you’ll understand where I am coming from, I am critical because people did the exact same shit to me. It sucks, but it helped me grow.

err wait what new?? i have over 24 different art post and I have been a member since 2008.. You are newer then me. I check peoples profiles to be sure they know what they are talking about.. .. and AGAIN i agreed with your critique… bah.. my worst pipeave (or however you spell it). people getting mad for no reason…. D: i wish he new i agreed with him..

I have actually been here since 2009. And I’m not talking about time on Kongregate. I’m talking about time of practicing art styles and techniques and doing tutorials. Time on Kongregate is not =/= time or skill level of art.

im 18… ive been working on art for a long time now.. though i guess it does look like i was saying that. ive been drawing things since i was around 7. its mostly doodle yes but i actually am rapidly fixing things to improve my self

let me add alot of things… 1, i didnt down rate any of your stuff. 2. that cool aid man is ok. decent lines and matches the original cool aid man. looks like effort was made, id give it a 4/5. 3. some people ARE blessed with talent, i work with kids in a middle school whos hand drawn art can be compared to dali’s work im not joking. if you want proof, monday when im volunteering over there i take a few pictures of them with there art and send it to you. 4. style means more then technique, a few lines and a splash of color that took around 1 hour to make can be much better then a piece that took two days to make had perfect shading and followd all the technique guidlines, it is art. YOU SHOULD BE ADVENTURES. draw what you like not what others like and listen to what they have to say about it and take that info and use it how YOU want to. its your art, and show the world what you think of it. there is no real technique… just guide lines. 5. love that floating land mass piece. 6. i do understand where your coming from

and 7. I DID NOT DOWN RATE YOUR CRAP!! I LOVE MOST OF IT!!!!

but please since you insist on it. just please go through all my crap and down rate it if you truly think i did. go ahead, if that will make you feel better, i want you to

GDC, I wish you could be less inflamatory.
Buggerd, what he’s trying to say is yes your own art style, and medium, is unique; but ‘good’ is something which is :
a. At the discretion of the beholder and
b. medium irrelevant.
I do digital drawing, oil painting, chinagraph drawing, graphite drawing (among other things).
Now, chinagraph is a funny medium as there is NO WAY to erase it. Does that mean it’s ok for me to have a large flaw in a drawing done in that medium? No.
It should still stand up to the rest of my (and if I want good ratings, everyone else’s) gallery regardless of how hard the medium is to master.
It’d be nice if you could drop the notion that ‘digital drawing’ is easy while you’re at it (I used to think that. Then I bought a tablet. Wish I’d spent a few more years with sketchbook in hand before even bothering).

Then who the hell downrated it. I apologize then, but still. Don’t get upset at people being critical dude, it happens. I am more a technical guy, you must be more free form. Taronium is the same way, I don’t see it. Pete is a lot like me though, more about technique. I would actually love to see what the kids can do. I was a talented artist when I was younger as well, I started taking art classes in kindergarten so it was an early age for me. I slowed down for awhile but when I hit the age of 14 I found Photoshop, I remember the first night I got it, I made like 6 things and I was so happy. I went online and posted them up all proud and people just tore me to shreds. Sad really, but they did kind of suck. Also the kool aid man was copy-pasted LOL yes that’s how horrible I was. But I am by technical terms a semi-professional ‘graphic artist’. I have put enough hours into it at least. I understand the whole ‘find your style thing’, but I already did man. My adventuring is all done for me, I found my style and I like it. I experimented with abstract, grunge, 3D, etc. But vector/raster editing software (Photoshop and Illustrator) kind of stuck, and I have developed my own way of making and doing things. I do however incorporate 3D modeling into some of my photoshop pieces, I love doing that. But I think we all go about how we do things in different ways, perhaps I shouldn’t have been so pushy before about being so technical, however at the same time I cannot stress that at least knowing and practicing technique is important. Even the way you draw your lines, how heavy you lay the lead on the paper etc. is all crazy important. But that’s just me, I am a precise by the book person so yeah. Anyways I have been up for over 24 hours and I would like to apologize for my slight attitude in previous posts, I meant most of what I said (Minus the jerk parts, that comes with lack of rest), but I assure you I am more friendly when I am better rested.

Don’t get me wrong, I like your art, but as I said I rated it based off of what I could see of technique, not how it ‘appeared’. If you want me to take the stylistic approach you easily earn a 3/5 (Tops hehe) however that being said, I think that you should really practice some more. If you are serious about improving do online tutorials. That’s all I did for 3 years, and still do from time to time when I forget a technique or a certain way about doing something. There’s nothing wrong to have that help. Using a tutorial doesn’t mean you cheated. I incorporate real life textures sometimes into my pieces. For example I used a slight rock and wood texture in the floating islands piece above. +1 if you manage to point out the obvious textured areas.

All that aside. I am wondering who the hell rated it 1 then, confusing the shit out of me right now lol.

Digital drawing is easy?? Dear god no.. those top 10 peaces i couldn’t began to comprehend what they did to even get some of that stuff. i tried it before. and is why i stayed with sketch book… but ya im kinda against digital art. but i wont deny the fact that it is still good and hard to work with. and what you said about the chinagraph is very true. i will not deny that. and i think you for clarifying what he was trying to say. but what i am trying to say (i think its being blurred with my choice of words) is I AGREE WITH YOU GUYS, but i also think other things need to be viewed/understood. Being able to see some sort of effort. theri finished product compared to their other works. what they were going for. how it ended up. and what you see in it, compared to what you actually see in it.

Dear god no.. those top 10 peaces i couldn’t began to comprehend what they did to even get some of that stuff.

Exactly what I do. Sketch it out usually in graphite, or go straight to photoshop and sketch it. Then they just go over and color it in. Like I said above, that skyline piece took 7 hours. Those guys in the top ten are making 5/5’s in 3 hours. I have another 15 years ahead of me before I get there T_T and I just do graphic design as a hobby.

but i wont deny the fact that it is still good and hard to work with.

Try painting with a mouse like I do, it’s 10x harder. So tired, bed.

GDC, I wish you could be less inflamatory.

I know I know, I try to work on the temper. I just get so mad sometimes.

Oh my gosh that flower! I wish it were done in color though!
Alrighty, so after a quick flip through your art (so much easier to get a grasp on how people draw with their actual sketchbooks, but this’ll do) I’d say you range between a 2 and a 3.5 rating. To put that into perspective, that’s between 4 and 7 out of 10, Sounds better like that, eh?

So the style you use is alright, some very interesting pieces in there… the most common issues are slight anatomical errors in things, and small issues of perspective. So, this is easier for me to let slide on fantasy pieces, but they’re present in the study I saw too.

Someone once said to me (about drawing dragons) “No, it’s not real. But it has to look like it’s real! Look at that, it couldn’t stand up, how will that spark anyone’s imagination?” even when you’re drawing isn’t realistic, unless you’re going for something abstract it’s nice to make sure it’s real enough to be feasible. Perspective and anatomy are important regardless of style.

Nooow….. on to something less deep. I love the “Choices” piece. I think it’s the best one I saw. You say the paper tore? Did it warp too? Did you wet it and stretch it prior to painting? That helps.

GDC: thank you.. like i said. i agree with you.. how heavy a line is compared to were it is at is very important. and i laughed when you said the cool aid man was copied and pasted.. i would have never noticed..guess that’s why it looks so good compared to the original aha. and maybe its the same person who has voted all my work down. personaly i draw because i want to and i draw for me.. if other people like it yay if they dont. i like to know why so i can improve.. thats why i post my work.. im sorry if it looks like im pissed about what you say. im not. i appreciate the time you put in to say this.

God dang it that random troll rated it 1 again T_T whatever, screw it. I am going to bed, too tired. Night Oboe. Night Bug nice meeting you.

oboe: it dint warp but it was used on a card bored like object.. usually used as the peice that goes around an artwork.. i found a pile of extras laying around and used some. and agreed with the dragon state ment