A huge misunderstanding discussion on Kongregate

Oct 25, 2008 5:50pm

You probably all know Reaper Graphix is closed at the moment.
In a ,how I like to call it, Goodbye Thread for RG http://www.kongregate.com/forums/5/topics/24837
I said some things about Reaper Graphix and his Leader, which were kind of misunderstood, so I want to get some things clear:

1.my shout to aC:
I told him he should ignore the "get RG back" shouts.
Thats because I think as the leader of RG Hokage should take responsibility of what he or his team does, its not that I don´t like him but he has done something wrong and now he has to face the consequences, and I dont like it that instead of an apologise he sends the team to beg for mercy. (Ok thats a bit harsh said but my english vocabulary is sort of limited so no less harsh formulations came into my mind)

2. RG is Comatose
everybody says RG is dead but they want it back, dead means its gone and you can´t get it back but instead of being deleted(dead) its only locked (comatose) and can be waken up!

3. I´m a Jerk
in the second post there was nothing negative about RG or Hokage, I just said you were overreacting cuz you all say its DEAD but its NOT!
and suddenly I´m a Jerk and some people lost all respect of me, just because I said RG isn`t dead and neither are the members!

4. Hokage vs Muunian
Hokage attacked Muunian graphix, maybe he didn´t want to but he did, such small things like "we´re having more post than you and that in just an hour" are the things that made me leave RG, its just a smallcomment that can hurt or dismay people without you wanting it. and the "You´l never learn" was meant to be a comparing to the flaming of Etager and the small unseen attacks at other teams, I don´t say you wanted to attack someone but sometimes it just happens. (but "Reaper graphix was greater then muunian, and greater then your team will ever be. Consider this a FACT, not an opinion." that is wanted and unnessesary, noone of us can see what the future may have in mind for us, and sometimes these are things that causes friends to be enemies, admit it Hokage you don´t dislike MoonlaughtMaster, but do you want him as an enemy just because he isn´t in your team?)

5. I don´t hate any-one/-team here
I was called hater but let me assure you I don´t hate anyone on Kong, not even the spammers, I may not like spammers, thats true but i don´t hate them, neither do I hate any Graphic Team, I like them all.

I hope you all understand now I wasn´t trying to keep RG shut down, nor did i want anyone to be offended by anything I said, but sorry if I´m misunderstood to easily, but english is just my second language and I have to use the words I know, and sometimes words get mixed up and their meanings are confused, so sorry for the misunderstandings I caused.

sincerly
Zen32

Oct 25, 2008 5:53pm

GHXpert59 2567 posts

ok, I take back that you’re a jerk! happy? yay!

Oct 25, 2008 5:55pm

hokage4354 2089 posts

I did take responsibility, Before I noticed how much people cared about RG, i told him that I take full responsibility for my actions and that it was my fault. After, I asked him if he could open it because of all of the people who wanted RG back.

Oct 25, 2008 5:56pm

kankuro195 309 posts

Zen32, I understand what u are saying, and I agree in parts and disagree in others. But most of all, I think all the members of Reaper Graphix should work together to bring RG back from it’s comatose (I used your word) Because that was some members way of truly expressing their compassion for art.

Oct 25, 2008 5:59pm

Zen32 408 posts

sorry everything that I could see was that you were asking the members to request a reopening.

EdiT:
Sure everyone together but from my point of view I only saw the team without Hokage which was my mistake and I want to apologise for that.

Oct 25, 2008 5:59pm

Tyrogue123 947 posts

Dude, I lost no respect for you. :^D Peace man. Hokage, he is right about that you’re sending RG to get RG back.

Oct 25, 2008 6:00pm

kankuro195 309 posts

Yeah, what Tyrogue123 said. I just miss the good times we had on Reaper Graphix. It was fun while it lasted and I hope it can last again if it reopens.

Oct 25, 2008 6:05pm

hokage4354 2089 posts

I was sending the team (along with me) because A LOT of people wanting RG back could be convincing.

Oct 25, 2008 6:06pm

00_Juice_00 3327 posts

Alright, Zen, I’ll take that.

Oct 25, 2008 6:07pm

kankuro195 309 posts

Did u guys read what I wrote? It’s very touching, I know. If u look at aC’s shouts, mines the longest.

EDIT: 200 posts for me!

Oct 25, 2008 6:07pm

Tyrogue123 947 posts

I was sending the team (along with me) because A LOT of people wanting RG back could be convincing.

…and it could spam his shouts/whispers box too.

Oct 25, 2008 6:11pm

Firekingtom 386 posts

What Juice said…

Oct 25, 2008 6:17pm

listle6 1243 posts

Hokage has taken responsibility for his actions by getting his thread locked.

Oct 25, 2008 6:20pm

Darksimal 995 posts

im sorry too for being a jerk in the art thread too with billyfred and whatnot

Oct 25, 2008 6:22pm

kankuro195 309 posts

u know what, if aC looked at what we are writing here, maybe he would realize how much RG really meant to us. And who knows, maybe reopen it.

Oct 25, 2008 6:23pm

Firekingtom 386 posts

But, it’s not like aC didn’t get at least 5 shouts about RG.

Oct 25, 2008 6:24pm

arcaneCoder 5058 posts

I will read over them when I get time; but for reference: putting me down in anyway is not the way to convince me. This is not about me at all, it's about conforming to our behavior guidelines. I can't sit back and let folks insult others just because a thread is popular; it affects the rest of Kongregate. I've warned hokage several times about how he treats others in regards to RG, since it's pretty poor, but he's continued with it.

Also, coming up with excuses for behavior doesn't help. I also have not been able to read through all the threads yet, so I wonder if apologies were sent to the right place? (I'm not the person to apologize too, this doesn't involve me that much really). If there has been apologies made, please point me too them.

I'm sure you'll get RG back soon, but I want you to see what happens when our guidelines (and the feelings of others) are disregarded. Follow the guidelines and thinks go smoothly. The feeling of loss you are experiencing right now is not nearly as bad as the feelings you instill in some people when you act like you have in the RG thread. It's not fair to disregard their feelings then ask for your feelings to be considered.

I will look over them and get back to you tomorrow about the threads status. In the meantime, think about it more and try to make it right in the right way.

PS Thank you to those who understood the difference between a whisper and a shout.

u know what, if aC looked at what we are writing here, maybe he would realize how much RG really meant to us. And who knows, maybe reopen it.

I'm not sure some of you quite understand the problem.

Oct 25, 2008 6:25pm

00_Juice_00 3327 posts

The feeling of loss you are experiencing right now is not nearly as bad as the feelings you instill in some people when you act like you have in the RG thread.

Ah. That part got me. Well thanks for explaining that in depth, aC.

EDIT

I’m pretty sure he means just because we’re in a popular thread doesn’t mean we’re above the rules.

Oct 25, 2008 6:27pm

kankuro195 309 posts

I understand what u mean aC, some of us have been acting like total annoyances and others have been taking the heat of the annoyances. But maybe if we try and only give positive criticsm and not jump to conclusions…maybe that’s what arcaneCoder means…

EDIT: I think I’m confuzzling myself…

Oct 25, 2008 6:29pm

arcaneCoder 5058 posts

I also see the problem continuing:

http://www.kongregate.com/forums/5/topics/24837…

A person who continues their actions is not taking responsibility for them; regardless of what they say. Do you see it?

Oct 25, 2008 6:30pm

Tyrogue123 947 posts

aC, you should move to Atlanta. Seriously… X.X

Oct 25, 2008 6:30pm

arcaneCoder 5058 posts

Also: honestly, nearly all of you guys have been fine, which is the only reason RG was left open as long as it was. This problem mainly stems from one person taking it a little too far.

There’s room on Kong for lots of developers, so there should be room for lots of graphics teams IMO.

aC, you should move to Atlanta. Seriously… X.X

Don’t like the weather :)

Oct 25, 2008 6:31pm

kankuro195 309 posts

I see the one person who u were referring to… look for the one person who’s name shows up on both of the links that arcaneCoder is referring too.

Oct 25, 2008 6:32pm

arcaneCoder 5058 posts

And just FYI: I’m not trying to pick on anyone; just helping you understand the issue.

I just wish folks would be nice and use the report thread too.

For reference too: Behavior Guidelines

Oct 25, 2008 6:32pm

hokage4354 2089 posts

So let me get this strait….you’re using my disliking and competition with others against me?
(which isn’t even in the RG thread?)

Explain how this supports your case please. =/

I just wish folks would be nice and use the report thread too.

So this is about be being nice?

lmao….

EDIT: woah arcane, lots of edits much? xD

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Oct 25, 2008 5:50pm Zen32 408 posts	You probably all know Reaper Graphix is closed at the moment. In a ,how I like to call it, Goodbye Thread for RG http://www.kongregate.com/forums/5/topics/24837 I said some things about Reaper Graphix and his Leader, which were kind of misunderstood, so I want to get some things clear: 1.my shout to aC: I told him he should ignore the "get RG back" shouts. Thats because I think as the leader of RG Hokage should take responsibility of what he or his team does, its not that I don´t like him but he has done something wrong and now he has to face the consequences, and I dont like it that instead of an apologise he sends the team to beg for mercy. (Ok thats a bit harsh said but my english vocabulary is sort of limited so no less harsh formulations came into my mind) 2. RG is Comatose everybody says RG is dead but they want it back, dead means its gone and you can´t get it back but instead of being deleted(dead) its only locked (comatose) and can be waken up! 3. I´m a Jerk in the second post there was nothing negative about RG or Hokage, I just said you were overreacting cuz you all say its DEAD but its NOT! and suddenly I´m a Jerk and some people lost all respect of me, just because I said RG isn`t dead and neither are the members! 4. Hokage vs Muunian Hokage attacked Muunian graphix, maybe he didn´t want to but he did, such small things like "we´re having more post than you and that in just an hour" are the things that made me leave RG, its just a smallcomment that can hurt or dismay people without you wanting it. and the "You´l never learn" was meant to be a comparing to the flaming of Etager and the small unseen attacks at other teams, I don´t say you wanted to attack someone but sometimes it just happens. (but "Reaper graphix was greater then muunian, and greater then your team will ever be. Consider this a FACT, not an opinion." that is wanted and unnessesary, noone of us can see what the future may have in mind for us, and sometimes these are things that causes friends to be enemies, admit it Hokage you don´t dislike MoonlaughtMaster, but do you want him as an enemy just because he isn´t in your team?) 5. I don´t hate any-one/-team here I was called hater but let me assure you I don´t hate anyone on Kong, not even the spammers, I may not like spammers, thats true but i don´t hate them, neither do I hate any Graphic Team, I like them all. I hope you all understand now I wasn´t trying to keep RG shut down, nor did i want anyone to be offended by anything I said, but sorry if I´m misunderstood to easily, but english is just my second language and I have to use the words I know, and sometimes words get mixed up and their meanings are confused, so sorry for the misunderstandings I caused. sincerly Zen32

Oct 25, 2008 5:53pm GHXpert59 2567 posts	ok, I take back that you’re a jerk! happy? yay!

Oct 25, 2008 5:55pm hokage4354 2089 posts	I did take responsibility, Before I noticed how much people cared about RG, i told him that I take full responsibility for my actions and that it was my fault. After, I asked him if he could open it because of all of the people who wanted RG back.

Oct 25, 2008 5:56pm kankuro195 309 posts	Zen32, I understand what u are saying, and I agree in parts and disagree in others. But most of all, I think all the members of Reaper Graphix should work together to bring RG back from it’s comatose (I used your word) Because that was some members way of truly expressing their compassion for art.

Oct 25, 2008 5:59pm Zen32 408 posts	sorry everything that I could see was that you were asking the members to request a reopening. EdiT: Sure everyone together but from my point of view I only saw the team without Hokage which was my mistake and I want to apologise for that.

Oct 25, 2008 5:59pm Tyrogue123 947 posts	Dude, I lost no respect for you. :^D Peace man. Hokage, he is right about that you’re sending RG to get RG back.

Oct 25, 2008 6:00pm kankuro195 309 posts	Yeah, what Tyrogue123 said. I just miss the good times we had on Reaper Graphix. It was fun while it lasted and I hope it can last again if it reopens.

Oct 25, 2008 6:05pm hokage4354 2089 posts	I was sending the team (along with me) because A LOT of people wanting RG back could be convincing.

Oct 25, 2008 6:06pm 00_Juice_00 3327 posts	Alright, Zen, I’ll take that.

Oct 25, 2008 6:07pm kankuro195 309 posts	Did u guys read what I wrote? It’s very touching, I know. If u look at aC’s shouts, mines the longest. EDIT: 200 posts for me!

Oct 25, 2008 6:07pm Tyrogue123 947 posts	I was sending the team (along with me) because A LOT of people wanting RG back could be convincing. …and it could spam his shouts/whispers box too.

Oct 25, 2008 6:11pm Firekingtom 386 posts	What Juice said…

Oct 25, 2008 6:17pm listle6 1243 posts	Hokage has taken responsibility for his actions by getting his thread locked.

Oct 25, 2008 6:20pm Darksimal 995 posts	im sorry too for being a jerk in the art thread too with billyfred and whatnot

Oct 25, 2008 6:22pm kankuro195 309 posts	u know what, if aC looked at what we are writing here, maybe he would realize how much RG really meant to us. And who knows, maybe reopen it.

Oct 25, 2008 6:23pm Firekingtom 386 posts	But, it’s not like aC didn’t get at least 5 shouts about RG.

Oct 25, 2008 6:24pm arcaneCoder 5058 posts	I will read over them when I get time; but for reference: putting me down in anyway is not the way to convince me. This is not about me at all, it's about conforming to our behavior guidelines. I can't sit back and let folks insult others just because a thread is popular; it affects the rest of Kongregate. I've warned hokage several times about how he treats others in regards to RG, since it's pretty poor, but he's continued with it. Also, coming up with excuses for behavior doesn't help. I also have not been able to read through all the threads yet, so I wonder if apologies were sent to the right place? (I'm not the person to apologize too, this doesn't involve me that much really). If there has been apologies made, please point me too them. I'm sure you'll get RG back soon, but I want you to see what happens when our guidelines (and the feelings of others) are disregarded. Follow the guidelines and thinks go smoothly. The feeling of loss you are experiencing right now is not nearly as bad as the feelings you instill in some people when you act like you have in the RG thread. It's not fair to disregard their feelings then ask for your feelings to be considered. I will look over them and get back to you tomorrow about the threads status. In the meantime, think about it more and try to make it right in the right way. PS Thank you to those who understood the difference between a whisper and a shout. u know what, if aC looked at what we are writing here, maybe he would realize how much RG really meant to us. And who knows, maybe reopen it. I'm not sure some of you quite understand the problem.

Oct 25, 2008 6:25pm 00_Juice_00 3327 posts	The feeling of loss you are experiencing right now is not nearly as bad as the feelings you instill in some people when you act like you have in the RG thread. Ah. That part got me. Well thanks for explaining that in depth, aC. EDIT I’m pretty sure he means just because we’re in a popular thread doesn’t mean we’re above the rules.

Oct 25, 2008 6:27pm kankuro195 309 posts	I understand what u mean aC, some of us have been acting like total annoyances and others have been taking the heat of the annoyances. But maybe if we try and only give positive criticsm and not jump to conclusions…maybe that’s what arcaneCoder means… EDIT: I think I’m confuzzling myself…

Oct 25, 2008 6:29pm arcaneCoder 5058 posts	I also see the problem continuing: http://www.kongregate.com/forums/5/topics/24837… http://www.kongregate.com/forums/5/topics/24837… A person who continues their actions is not taking responsibility for them; regardless of what they say. Do you see it?

Oct 25, 2008 6:30pm Tyrogue123 947 posts	aC, you should move to Atlanta. Seriously… X.X

Oct 25, 2008 6:30pm arcaneCoder 5058 posts	Also: honestly, nearly all of you guys have been fine, which is the only reason RG was left open as long as it was. This problem mainly stems from one person taking it a little too far. There’s room on Kong for lots of developers, so there should be room for lots of graphics teams IMO. aC, you should move to Atlanta. Seriously… X.X Don’t like the weather :)

Oct 25, 2008 6:31pm kankuro195 309 posts	I see the one person who u were referring to… look for the one person who’s name shows up on both of the links that arcaneCoder is referring too.

Oct 25, 2008 6:32pm arcaneCoder 5058 posts	And just FYI: I’m not trying to pick on anyone; just helping you understand the issue. I just wish folks would be nice and use the report thread too. For reference too: Behavior Guidelines

Oct 25, 2008 6:32pm hokage4354 2089 posts	So let me get this strait….you’re using my disliking and competition with others against me? (which isn’t even in the RG thread?) Explain how this supports your case please. =/ I just wish folks would be nice and use the report thread too. So this is about be being nice? lmao…. EDIT: woah arcane, lots of edits much? xD