Doesnt anyone find this suspicious? page 6

Originally posted by nightshan:

i tryed reading all this but its just to much

ok never mind im done reading…i see nothing suspicious…i just see some dude trying to use big words and smart ass talk to try and confuse pescado… why did i waste my time reading this…but i see why your fighting

Pescada p.s. i love the term ‘’transparent sock puppet’’…im using that one at school

Originally posted by lungjiao:

i was at auction today and i came across miranasis’ maxed raptor. although i did not bid on the critter personally ( i dont want to help out any enemy player), i asked the person who got the critter for a screenshot of the raptor at coliseum. take a look at it.

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/4756/raptorfrommiranasi3.jpg

pescado, how is it possible to have a level 50 maxed raptor, at rank 775k? every fight that you make WILL increase your rank. i see that u won 1300 something times. it is not possible to be rank 775k at level 50 and a 1300 – 150 win/lose ratio.

i wanted that raptor so bad but i did not have the room for it at the time

Originally posted by lungjiao:

pescado, how would you explain the deranking of serp’s mantis? i dont see any proof where serp or any other person said it was his fault.

I have no explanation with it, because serp said his mantis didn’t match the one we killed, so it wasn’t us, so I have no idea.

Originally posted by lungjiao:

pescado, how is it possible to have a level 50 maxed raptor, at rank 775k? every fight that you make WILL increase your rank. i see that u won 1300 something times. it is not possible to be rank 775k at level 50 and a 1300 – 150 win/lose ratio.

It’s not my raptor, why are you asking me? But it’s quite easy: Lose 150 times to something that sucks a lot of ass ratingwise, and your ranking will nosedive regardless of what it was before. We often intentionally bleed a critter’s ranking like that, “giving” the Elo points away to raise that critter’s ranking.

I have to say, this was probably the funniest topic i have ever laid eyes on. After i read the initial topic post i was hoping there was some trollin going on over here but the farther i read down the more i had to focus on containing my bowels from exploding at the sheer awesomeness of some of the stupidity here.

I for one have his secret figured out and will now release my hot lifechanging information all over your faces. Its quite obvious once you think about it, pesc is clearly a bot being run by a human brain, think about it folks. Why else would edgebee recant its ban and make up some phony story about computer errors? Fyi he is actually married to his hardware caretaker that has taken a fancy to CF.

On a serious note, whats with all the e-vestigators huddling up at the hateraid machine exchanging stories about how “you got it all figured out” maybe if you stopped worrying about other players and figuring out the not so obvious details to critterforge you might get your crappy t1 2 app critter on the news.

I remember logging on critterforge seeing a bunch of players getting back to back news appearances like alexfrog bahizret fish goldrage pesc kimwon lordang etc etc etc, then id handle my business and get a few news shows occationally. If you guys stopped to think about it for a sec i think you will see the way news works: each lets say 2 1/2 hours they want to post 3-4 new critterfights so they take a random 4 fights out of lets say 5000 fights that happened in the last 2 1/2 hours. If lets say obnoxiousnoob logged on in that 2-3 hour stretch and quick fought 100 of those 5000 fights he has a 8% chance to be one of those featured fights, a 4% chance for 2, a 2% chance for 3/4 and a 1% chance to be on all four of the featured fights.

Not likely for the average joe who spends more time flaming people who get over featured then playing critterforge. Now lets say you have a very intricate system of leveling that makes stamina more efficiently spent in arena then safari mixing good elo placements and targeting the right critters and are dedicated to consistently making sure your staminas used, and maybe a few six packs you feel are viable to use you might get 500-750 of those 5000 fights that occurred, giving you a 40-60% chance to appear once a 20-30% chance to appear twice and so on. Now! lets say you consistently do that for 14 hours, its much more unlikely to NOT appear more then FIVE times in a day and once back to back then not, i dont see the problem here fellas.

actually, I believe when I was chain chugging 6 packs when power leveling my t4s at the time I could go from 1-145 in two days and make the news more then 6 times with those critters. But again im staying out of this.

I acknowledge the fact that playing as much as Pes does can result in 4 fights on the news per day. Problem is, his insults are affecting his credibility in my opinion. And Pes doesnt use tokens anyway (unless there’s something ELSE going on) so the energy drink reason is out.

BTW how ya doing freakos? Haven’t seen you in a long time. :)

As far as I know, Pesc uses tokens – just not in fishboner quantities.

PescadoJm might not hack, but his attitude is messed up. He is cocky, arrogant, and simply egotistical. Basically a Tinycock remake if you have ever played Transformice with him,

Pescado’s a robot??? creepy.. lol O.o

Originally posted by freakos:

I remember logging on critterforge seeing a bunch of players getting back to back news appearances like alexfrog bahizret fish goldrage pesc kimwon lordang etc etc etc, then id handle my business and get a few news shows occationally. If you guys stopped to think about it for a sec i think you will see the way news works: each lets say 2 1/2 hours they want to post 3-4 new critterfights so they take a random 4 fights out of lets say 5000 fights that happened in the last 2 1/2 hours. If lets say obnoxiousnoob logged on in that 2-3 hour stretch and quick fought 100 of those 5000 fights he has a 8% chance to be one of those featured fights, a 4% chance for 2, a 2% chance for 3/4 and a 1% chance to be on all four of the featured fights.

Not likely for the average joe who spends more time flaming people who get over featured then playing critterforge. Now lets say you have a very intricate system of leveling that makes stamina more efficiently spent in arena then safari mixing good elo placements and targeting the right critters and are dedicated to consistently making sure your staminas used, and maybe a few six packs you feel are viable to use you might get 500-750 of those 5000 fights that occurred, giving you a 40-60% chance to appear once a 20-30% chance to appear twice and so on. Now! lets say you consistently do that for 14 hours, its much more unlikely to NOT appear more then FIVE times in a day and once back to back then not, i dont see the problem here fellas.

ya know I think lung has kinda just ignored the whole news standpoint since everyone is agaisnt him.

Then again, I think he’s left this thread completely :3

Might be because he lied his ass off about a sample with 10 different foreign traits. Even if he had a leg to stand on its all bs now.

I actually want to stay out of this as well, but just putting my view into this… It is HARD to get on the news. I have been playing hardcore 18 hours a day for the past 7 months(with brief respites). Just putting extra info…
Don’t reply to this—> I don’t really care about the topic, but just felt like saying something.

Even when bahi, goldn, and alex were around they didn’t appear near that much. Tyler1800 started botting, and appearing in the news vastly more than anyone else. (Proven fact a few people even had a copy of his bot when I was still playing) He stopped botting and then stopped appearing in the news as often. (quit the game shortly after also) Pescado didn’t appear like that in the news until a later time. He and Miransi started appearing just as often as Tyler did. Then pesc claimed he stopped his botting too, but the news appearances never went down. The way you are talking about appearances in the news, Freakos, is based on assumptions and made up numbers.

The sleep system yomi was talking about doesn’t exist at least not in the form he stated. (The army tested sleeping in 20 minute periods once, but it couldn’t be sustained more than a couple days) (There are some sleep cycles that let someone sleep a few hours at once, but these also aren’t sustainable. People need REM sleep which comes during last few hours of a normal 8+ sleep cycle) I also don’t put much faith in yomi since he claimed he would have used bots and scripts too before edgebee released their first post condemning it. (Also interesting how pesc says people would need Yomi’s IT degree for something that doesn’t involve outside programs)

I’m fairly certain edgebee is aware of his actions to an extent. (They did suspend him before afterall) He has made a vast number of claims (some probably trolling to maintain his fake persona) His claims often change too. He goes from admitting to botting, to claiming that he plays in shifts with someone else, and then claiming other wild things. (They have also seen proof of some of his claims, and how his story changes)

If his claims are true then he should be banned for using bots and scripts, if they are false he should be banned for trolling and attempting to ruin other people’s gaming experience (This is in edgebee’s terms). His whole standpoint for a while was that someone else had to be miserable so that he could be happy. (He used some bs about thermodynamics in a situation where it didn’t apply to explain all that)

Edgebee’s system for detecting won’t stop anyone, but was a step in the right direction. Their system only stops people who are not using the client. (Can easily use macros on timers or something similar to get around this)

Here is a short list of the claims I remember him making:
A script to automatically heal and keep his pets happy.
A script to automatically bid +1 on auctions when he has been outbid. (Know he has used this one and he bragged about it for a while, but he will probably deny it now)
He claimed to be working on a script for syndicates that he would require his syndicate members to use. It would shift critters around when they are being attacked or attacking. (This one was only talked about in theory, but I know a few people who are almost positive it is being used now)
A goal to turn the whole game into “Progresscraft” A game that plays itself and he can just watch and see the results.
A promise that if I brought the stuff to edgebee’s attention it would just create a war between him and them that they couldn’t win.
A program that can view all the skills and other information about any critter seen in auction, news, or normal fights.
A program that points out “Fail” critters in the coliseum to fight. (He claimed it had a HUD that would point the arrow to the right critter to fight.

He will probably lie about a lot of this now. (you can look through the threads to catch him in a few lies already)\

The reason I quit was more from edgebee though. Their 2 day suspensions for people caught botting is just way too relaxed. They also favor certain players way too much. They have secret forum sections for each game where they respond to their select group of chosen ones. That is why they don’t respond to the general public often, without some huge outcry to get their attention. (I don’t even know what their CM does I never saw him post when I was around at least)

Don’t think I’ll be coming back even during the expansion. Best to move on to new games where the company gives a damn, and actually enforces their claims. Also Chimaera you are the hardest person to catch online. I still need to give you the rest of the money I had left.

Right… I’ve been reading this thread and quite frankly, I don’t give a flying f**k. :)

I’m probably one of the few people who play this game just for fun, and without any hurry towards top 10 in any category.
Also I have enough experience in life, to know that winning tastes so much sweeter when it’s done without cheating. Yes, I could cheat if I wanted, but I won’t. And I know that there are people who will cheat whenever there is even the slightest possibility, but I don’t care. It’s impossible to catch everyone who’s cheating, so why waste your time trying to do so…
If you happen to find some solid evidence, that can’t be disproved in any way (which is quite hard because almost anything can be forged nowadays), do bring it out in the public. In that case, I would too.
Hopefully that particular cheater will be caught, and be punished according to rules applied.

And then this Pescado-case. I don’t remember why this accusation thread was started, and don’t care enought to check… so I’ll just post some of my thoughts.
- because Pescado (and Miranasi) appear in the news more often than others?
So, does he gain something from that? Is there a prize for the person who appears in the news the most?

- because Pescado has most money in the game?
So? I make about 50k / week with 12 crappy ass critters, that barely win 50% of the fights. And I only smash their stamina 2-3 times / day.
If I had 12 good critters, that make 400$ / fight won, win 75% fights, and I’d use all their stamina 38 times / day (which is possible if I’m awake 16 hours per day), I could make almost 5M / week. So I’d be richer than Pescado in 8 weeks…

- because Pescado has high ranking critter(s)?
Fishboner has more, is he cheating too?

-because Pescado is acting like an ass towards others?
So? He’s probably acting like that because he can. He knows about stuff, and likes to use that knowledge to fuck with other people. If it bothers you, ignore him. You can skip his posts and mute him at the chat if you don’t like what he’s saying. Or, you can pick the useful information he’s giving you… it’s there, hidden between the lines where he calls you a retard. :)

So, these are just my thoughts… I’m not accusing or defending anyone here. I know that some (probably most of you) people have the urge to have a top ranked critter in this game, and might be frustrated if someone’s cheating his/her way to the top in front your noses.
But you’ll just have to accept the fact that it happens sometimes… that’s life, shit happens. Don’t take it so seriously. And if you do, then I truly feel sorry for you. This is after all just a game.

P.S. I apologize for the possible errors in the text, but hopefully you all understand my point of not caring? :)

Originally posted by holycorpse:
A program that points out “Fail” critters in the coliseum to fight. (He claimed it had a HUD that would point the arrow to the right critter to fight.

I think that this must be the case. I know that if you hit “quick fight” a few times, sometimes the target doesn’t find a match. If you then hit “fight”, the system chooses a critter seemingly based on level rather than rank. So Jabberwocky for example recently fought Roar, which I think is ranked towards 100. But of my 9 stamina, I am lucky if that happens once. Pescado, Miransi, Lorika and others appear in the news 5 times per day fighting ‘not so super hydra’ and other fail critters. Those can’t be chosen by chance, no way.

Also Chimaera you are the hardest person to catch online. I still need to give you the rest of the money I had left.

Haha well, I now live in Australia, which means my hours compared to the rest of the world are screwy. Plus I only play 30 mins in the morning and perhaps an hour in the evening. I just put up a sample in the auction, a toad for $9999. Hopefully you can catch it =0)

On the last point, about me not being online … it’s getting to the point of boring that no other top 10 critter is ever visible to fight. Fish, Pesc, Miransi, Lorika and ltlittle all keep their critters hidden using what I assume is an auto-refresh system. Tell a lie, mewmewmew is now part of the top 10 and appears to play like I do – ie plays when he plays and doesn’t when he doesn’t. But still, it’s ridiculous. Why wouldn’t you let your critters be fought? On the few occasions I get to fight Fish’s dragons, I lose. What harm is there in that?

Originally posted by holycorpse:

Even when bahi, goldn, and alex were around they didn’t appear near that much.

Not all people who are around are equally around. The people you cited were, in fact, frequently absent and cannot really be cited as examples of dedicated play.

Originally posted by holycorpse:

(Proven fact a few people even had a copy of his bot when I was still playing)

Proven by whom? Your very own screenshots-to-Edgebee cite this as completely unproven conjecture.

Originally posted by holycorpse:

He stopped botting and then stopped appearing in the news as often. (quit the game shortly after also) Pescado didn’t appear like that in the news until a later time. He and Miransi started appearing just as often as Tyler did. Then pesc claimed he stopped his botting too, but the news appearances never went down.

Yes, an amazing discovery: PEOPLE WHO QUIT THE GAME STOP APPEARING IN THE NEWS. As for “I didn’t appear in the news until a later time”, this is entirely comprehensible: Chances of appearing in the news are based on colosseum fights and the levels of the combatants involved. When you are a new player, you have 1 stall and spend much of the time on safari trying to get new samples to expand your breeding stock. It is only when most of your breeding stock comes from within that the colling starts. Big surprise there. Do you truly understand nothing about the game? No wonder you’ve always been a scrub.

Originally posted by holycorpse:

I also don’t put much faith in yomi since he claimed he would have used bots and scripts too before edgebee released their first post condemning it.

Surprise, people are willing to do things that haven’t been outlawed. How is this proof of anything? If it’s not outlawed, you do it. No questions. We were perfectly willing to share such discoveries because there was, quite frankly, nothing questionable about them: Such things are commonplace in many other games like KoL, TW2002, and others.

Originally posted by holycorpse:

(Also interesting how pesc says people would need Yomi’s IT degree for something that doesn’t involve outside programs)

Who said anything about “need”? Although it certainly doesn’t help that most people drool like idiots when you talk about secure memory spaces and virtualization.

Originally posted by holycorpse:

I’m fairly certain edgebee is aware of his actions to an extent. (They did suspend him before afterall)

And apparently, so were many other persistent players, as the system had been written in ways that generated false positives, which is why they were all reversed and a new method, which apparently hasn’t generated any such issues, put into place.

Originally posted by holycorpse:

His claims often change too. He goes from admitting to botting, to claiming that he plays in shifts with someone else, and then claiming other wild things. (They have also seen proof of some of his claims, and how his story changes)

Claims change because A: You repeatedly misinterpret hypothetical proposals as actual implementations, and B: Methods change as better methods are discovered and older methods get outlawed.

Originally posted by holycorpse:

His whole standpoint for a while was that someone else had to be miserable so that he could be happy. (He used some bs about thermodynamics in a situation where it didn’t apply to explain all that)

How is this not true? Energy and matter are not free and exist only in finite quantities. Energy and matter are required for life and happiness. For you to have these things, others must be deprived of them. Ergo, for you to be happy, others must be must miserable. All this is written in the laws of thermodynamics.

Originally posted by holycorpse:

Here is a short list of the claims I remember him making:

As usual, you confuse a great number of theoretical proposals with actual facts.

Originally posted by chimaera:

think that this must be the case. I know that if you hit “quick fight” a few times, sometimes the target doesn’t find a match. If you then hit “fight”, the system chooses a critter seemingly based on level rather than rank. So Jabberwocky for example recently fought Roar, which I think is ranked towards 100. But of my 9 stamina, I am lucky if that happens once.

This is precisely so. But, a lucky event that happens once is to you, an anomaly. To us, it is a mystery of science to be turned inside out, subjected to theoretical models, and repeatedly experimented upon. It is just like how to you, producing a critter with foreign traits is a random fluke, to us, it is a thing to be repeatedly poked, prodded, experimented upon, and reproduced.

Originally posted by chimaera:

Pescado, Miransi, Lorika and others appear in the news 5 times per day fighting ‘not so super hydra’ and other fail critters. Those can’t be chosen by chance, no way.

You’re right. It’s not due to chance. The first encounter, yes. But we’ve discovered a method to probe “darkspace” in an organized fashion, then tabulate and disseminate these results to teammembers, from which a campaign of coordinated darkspace “fishing” can be mounted to drive targets into the light, whereupon they can then be attacked repeatedly through plocking. The key is to understand that once an action can be performed once, it can be repeated simply by pushing the button again.

Originally posted by chimaera:

On the last point, about me not being online … it’s getting to the point of boring that no other top 10 critter is ever visible to fight. Fish, Pesc, Miransi, Lorika and ltlittle all keep their critters hidden using what I assume is an auto-refresh system.

Ltlittle has an entire fambly playing, so I’m not surprised if they do happen to be on all the time. The rest of us have organized a system. It’s complicated and it would hurt your brain to understand it.

Originally posted by chimaera:

Tell a lie, mewmewmew is now part of the top 10 and appears to play like I do – ie plays when he plays and doesn’t when he doesn’t.

Ltlittle has an entire fambly playing, so it’s no surprise if they have someone attending at all times. As for mew being part of the top 10, if you knew WHERE that critter came from, this would not be a surprise: Mew’s only actual top 10 critter is not a mew design or creation at all, it’s a Fishbonerian that escaped the dragnet when FINO imploded and several of their members retired and pawned off Fishbonerian clones. Mew is in the top 10 and “plays like you do” not because this is a recipe for success, but simply because he bought the critter after it was already successful.

Originally posted by chimaera:

But still, it’s ridiculous. Why wouldn’t you let your critters be fought? On the few occasions I get to fight Fish’s dragons, I lose. What harm is there in that?

Why not? Well, there are many reasons: First, because it would require leaving. If you leave, you can’t burn stamina. If you don’t burn stamina, you fall behind and waste fuel. All of these things are not acceptable. Second, because it’s an uncontrolled variable. I detest uncontrolled variables. It completely ruins experiments. This is why you don’t allow a horde of monkeys loose in a lab. Thirdly, because I happen to know exactly what the problems this would cause are. We still haven’t entirely cleaned up the mess from when someone got lax and allowed that to happen. In fact, YOU are part of that mess. Suffice it to say we have classified that as a disaster. Like a particularly pernicious toxic waste spill, cleaning that up is likely going to cost a fortune.

Yawn. Responding with insults, and upkeeping your normal false persona still. I guess you tried to recruit me for MATY because you thought I was a scrub also. Fishboner asked me to work with him on finding foreign indicators, because of my failures I suppose. Never understood the elitist attitudes of you and Lith.

Holy that was because two heads are better then one. And not many people had put in the effort to do the research…or even were willing to.

Holy crap I am lost, I guess my inferior intellect has hampered my understanding of this topic. Are we quite finished? I think that we’ve read (not me because my brain fried though pneumonia didn’t help) the same things with modified content here and there. If he’s guilty, it seems your not going to catch him. So if you do, make it short and dumb it down or else you leave margin for error and cause the general population to lose interest.

Originally posted by Corapterex:

Holy crap I am lost, I guess my inferior intellect has hampered my understanding of this topic. Are we quite finished? I think that we’ve read (not me because my brain fried though pneumonia didn’t help) the same things with modified content here and there. If he’s guilty, it seems your not going to catch him. So if you do, make it short and dumb it down or else you leave margin for error and cause the general population to lose interest.

Most of the public isn’t interested. Only the people who have played long enough to know Pes better are.

If Pes were to give explanations without insulting people, then I would be more likely to consider them. As of now, everything he says stands as BS.

Originally posted by PescadoJM:

Originally posted by holycorpse:

I also don’t put much faith in yomi since he claimed he would have used bots and scripts too before edgebee released their first post condemning it.

Surprise, people are willing to do things that haven’t been outlawed. How is this proof of anything? If it’s not outlawed, you do it. No questions. We were perfectly willing to share such discoveries because there was, quite frankly, nothing questionable about them: Such things are commonplace in many other games like KoL, TW2002, and others.

Guess we’d better start outlawing it huh?

Originally posted by PescadoJM:

Originally posted by holycorpse:

His claims often change too. He goes from admitting to botting, to claiming that he plays in shifts with someone else, and then claiming other wild things. (They have also seen proof of some of his claims, and how his story changes)

Claims change because A: You repeatedly misinterpret hypothetical proposals as actual implementations, and B: Methods change as better methods are discovered and older methods get outlawed.

That’s called denial.

Originally posted by PescadoJM:

Originally posted by holycorpse:

Here is a short list of the claims I remember him making:

As usual, you confuse a great number of theoretical proposals with actual facts.

Again, denial.

Originally posted by PescadoJM:

Originally posted by chimaera:

On the last point, about me not being online … it’s getting to the point of boring that no other top 10 critter is ever visible to fight. Fish, Pesc, Miransi, Lorika and ltlittle all keep their critters hidden using what I assume is an auto-refresh system.

Ltlittle has an entire fambly playing, so I’m not surprised if they do happen to be on all the time. The rest of us have organized a system. It’s complicated and it would hurt your brain to understand it.

Hmm. System? Do explain. Is that a synonym for script?

All of the Scripts pescado used that Holy mentioned, I do recall him bragging about them in chat. Or just talking about them. The ladder one was annoying, I kept seeing the same critters fight us in different ladders. And they were always the best ones, like fish’s critters for example :/

They’d almost always have enough wins to beat us.

Oh and chim, Lt’s critters are visible. I’ve fought his mantis before, I hardly win but I at least fight it lol. I think lt just hasn’t been very active lately.

Originally posted by PescadoJM:
The rest of us have organized a system. It’s complicated and it would hurt your brain to understand it.

Haha you flatter yourself, as usual. You seem to mistake my lack of interest in such things for a lack of intellect.

In fact, YOU are part of that mess. Suffice it to say we have classified that as a disaster. Like a particularly pernicious toxic waste spill, cleaning that up is likely going to cost a fortune.

And I love the fact that I screw up your plans without even trying.

Reported Pesc for botting, using scripts, and generally just being an ass. :D

Originally posted by hilotaka:

All of the Scripts pescado used that Holy mentioned, I do recall him bragging about them in chat. Or just talking about them. The ladder one was annoying, I kept seeing the same critters fight us in different ladders

Of course they’re the best ones. What else would we be fielding? What else do we even HAVE? We don’t exactly keep inferior junk lying around to clog up stables for no reason, you know. You do realize that it takes 4 hours for anything to attack in this game, more than enough time for even the fattest laggard to notice? You guys have, what, 10+ members? Are you seriously telling me that you can’t find SOMEONE who can be on to warn the others of an impending attack, especially when you are the one DOING THE ATTACKING, and therefore, the schedule should already be posted in where-ever it is you guys coordinate your activities? Maybe your problem is that you have too MANY members, seeing as you seem to grab them off the open market without any attempt to organize.

Originally posted by BirdSpirit:

If Pes were to give explanations without insulting people, then I would be more likely to consider them. As of now, everything he says stands as BS.

I’ve already explained this stuff repeatedly. Each time I am met with blank stares of incomprehension and the regurgitation of the same nonsense. Clearly you are a subscriber to the belief that something repeated often enough is true, or else you wouldn’t keep doing it. Tell you what: I’ll answer any question you want to know as long as you don’t bundle it with another tiresome repeat accusation. One question at a time, clearly stated, so it doesn’t get lost and you can’t complain that I ignored it because it got buried in the wall of text somewhere. You ask ONE clear question, I will give you an answer. No name-calling. Even though you deserve it.

Originally posted by billybobjoebob9:

Reported Pesc for botting, using scripts, and generally just being an ass. :D

Who the hell are you anyway? I can only imagine this is some kind of random one-line throwaway joke, judging from the rest of your posts.