Doesnt anyone find this suspicious? page 8

Originally posted by BirdSpirit:

Originally posted by Eki79:

I just have to post an outsider-view on BirdSpirit’s screenshots:

Since I don’t know what you were actually talking about, based on those comments I presume Pescado is talking about his Synd, not his account?
In those screenshots it doesn’t show anywhere, that Pescado is talking about multiple people playing on his account.
So the multiple people are all operating one account, but each one their own?

P.S. I actually don’t know why I stick my fingers into this once again… and why those two paragraphs look almost :)

We actually do mention account quite a few times in there. Pes said that “Instead of one person operating multiple alts, we have multiple people operating one.” He admitted to account sharing basically. :P

Well, I don’t know what Pesc means with that “Instead of one person operating multiple alts, we have multiple people operating one.”, sounds like many people operate one account… each one their own one?
If not so, I blame my english. ;)

I’ll get back to enjoying the game now… so you can get back to arguing. :)

Originally posted by PescadoJM:

Untrue. I’m only rude to the stupid, the annoying, and those damn kids. Ask yourself if people who have been repeatedly subjected to my rudeness are not one of these 3.

Originally posted by GamerDude2000:

I do, however, have to contest his fourth point from a logic standpoint.

While there is a distinction between operating and sharing, in the case of sharing being “illegal”, the distinction would be far from important enough to use as a defense.

Ah, you see, but it is a very important distinction, because the two operate in entirely dissimilar ways. The two produce similar outcomes, but the difference is rather like the distinction between a small nuke, and a really big bomb. Both produce a really nice explosion, but one of them gets you international condemnation. Of course, in this case, neither has been declared illegal, but “operating” can’t be really be declared illegal because it is based on fundamental processes that exist at a level below the game and accounts, any more than one can declare breathing too loudly illegal. That is why the distinction is relevant, even through “sharing” isn’t illegal, either. Since the witch hunts started in the first place, we’ve taken an attitude of “Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow they might make it illegal”, and have been devising futureproofed plans.

What you’re doing may not be illegal, but you are defenitely using loopholes.

Which, by definition, are legal. You want to win something, you find every rule you can use to your advantage and use ‘em for all they’re worth.

Look people, you are never going to convince Pescado to suddenly hold his hands up and say “yep, I am doing something wrong” or words to that effect. He’s clearly not that kind of person and instead gets a kick out of wordsmithing.

If I were to summarise, it is clear that Pescado and others in his ‘clan’ do not do anything that Edgebee explicitly states is not allowed. At the same time, they clearly do not play the game in the manner it was intended to be played, nor in a manner that is fair to others playing the game who do not partake of the loopholes and glitches. Even if the expansion fixes the loopholes, Pescado et al have gained a significant advantage in the meantime that will put them at the forefront of the new game.

So get on with it, or quit.

Originally posted by billybobjoebob9:

Originally posted by PescadoJM:

Untrue. I’m only rude to the stupid, the annoying, and those damn kids. Ask yourself if people who have been repeatedly subjected to my rudeness are not one of these 3.

Originally posted by GamerDude2000:

I do, however, have to contest his fourth point from a logic standpoint.

While there is a distinction between operating and sharing, in the case of sharing being “illegal”, the distinction would be far from important enough to use as a defense.

Ah, you see, but it is a very important distinction, because the two operate in entirely dissimilar ways. The two produce similar outcomes, but the difference is rather like the distinction between a small nuke, and a really big bomb. Both produce a really nice explosion, but one of them gets you international condemnation. Of course, in this case, neither has been declared illegal, but “operating” can’t be really be declared illegal because it is based on fundamental processes that exist at a level below the game and accounts, any more than one can declare breathing too loudly illegal. That is why the distinction is relevant, even through “sharing” isn’t illegal, either. Since the witch hunts started in the first place, we’ve taken an attitude of “Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow they might make it illegal”, and have been devising futureproofed plans.

What you’re doing may not be illegal, but you are defenitely using loopholes.

So Pesc is just a dam good lawyer then lol?

Originally posted by chimaera:

Look people, you are never going to convince Pescado to suddenly hold his hands up and say “yep, I am doing something wrong” or words to that effect. He’s clearly not that kind of person and instead gets a kick out of wordsmithing.

You mean, like, say, a gamer?

Originally posted by chimaera:

If I were to summarise, it is clear that Pescado and others in his ‘clan’ do not do anything that Edgebee explicitly states is not allowed. At the same time, they clearly do not play the game in the manner it was intended to be played, nor in a manner that is fair to others playing the game who do not partake of the loopholes and glitches.

Ah, but what exactly is “intended”? It’s not like this game comes with a walkthrough of exactly how you’re supposed to play it. Indeed, such a game would be utterly boring: You would follow the walkthrough, beat the game, get the badge, and move on. The very nature of the game is that you’re dumped into it with absolutely no guidelines as to what the basic underlying mechanics even are, and are expected to find them out for yourself. It is, in essence, a game about finding out what the rules even ARE and then exploiting them for your own advantage. How, then, is doing exactly this “not playing the game as intended”? Isn’t the entire point of a game to exploit the ruleset for maximum benefit? Hell, isn’t that the entire point of REAL LIFE? This game presents to you 4 objectives: Be the richest player, be the best player, own the best critters, and be in the best syndicate. Some of these goals appear to be mutually exclusive to some degree, particularly the “best player”. Nonetheless, we have set out to accomplish these goals, and to some extent, we have. How is this not playing the game as intended?

It is clear that we do not play these games for the same reasons: I play them to win. You, appear to play them for “fun”. But I’m Pescado, and I hate fun.

Originally posted by PescadoJM:

Which, by definition, are legal. You want to win something, you find every rule you can use to your advantage and use ‘em for all they’re worth.

They may be legal, but you are still really cheating. :P

Originally posted by billybobjoebob9:

Originally posted by PescadoJM:

Which, by definition, are legal. You want to win something, you find every rule you can use to your advantage and use ‘em for all they’re worth.

They may be legal, but you are still really cheating. :P

If it’s legal it’s not cheating.
Okay for example, in many sports they don’t allow the use of drugs. It’s illegal, and it’s getting an UNFAIR advantage over others. If it’s legal then anything is fair game.

That’s just the definition. I don’t exactly approve of some methods people use nowadays. But again, using a loop hole isn’t cheating. This thread was trying to prove pescado is/was involved in illegal activity. The goal is kinda gone now, and since I said and learned all I wanted to I’m done with this argument as well. At least, until something worthwhile surfaces.

Originally posted by hilotaka:

Okay for example, in many sports they don’t allow the use of drugs. It’s illegal, and it’s getting an UNFAIR advantage over others. If it’s legal then anything is fair game.

And does this at all stop athletes from trying to find new tricks for gaining an advantage over their enemies? Of course not. They just find something that hasn’t been banned and exploit that. A new training method, or a new treatment that isn’t actually a banned drug, a new type of shoe, a new move, anything goes if it’s not banned. It’s all about playing the game: If you play the enemy’s game, you have already lost. Playing to what the enemy believes the rules SHOULD be instead of what they actually ARE is playing a game where you have already lost.

It’s like the time someone won a chess match through the sneaky trick of promoting a pawn to an ENEMY piece, thus blocking the escape of the enemy king. They changed the rules after that, but it was still LEGAL at the time.

Now I wait three days before checking the progress and it is ALWAYS the same. It seems that your beating that dead horse pretty hard or nobody’s getting any progress.

In Soviet Russia, dead horse beats YOU!

Originally posted by PescadoJM:

In Soviet Russia, dead horse beats YOU!

My my, communism does dabble in everything including necromancy doesn’t it? XD

Originally posted by BirdSpirit:

Originally posted by PescadoJM:

In Soviet Russia, dead horse beats YOU!

My my, communism does dabble in everything including necromancy doesn’t it? XD

Well having a dead horse beat you is better then a modified version of the saying, “In Soviet Russia, horse ride you!”

I visit CF and come back to this. I read up to page 5 and felt like skipping to the end, and so I did. Anyways, I just wanted to point out, since I don’t think Pescado replied to this, that lung kept on saying that Serp’s mantis went down in ranks due to Pescado’s mass attacks, though Pescado denied being the one to do so. From what I can grasp, Pescado DIDN’T cause that because it WASN’T Serp’s mantis in the first place.

Okay, if this argument continues to progress, and the need to use me arises, feel free to mutilate anything I say, since I probably won’t be coming back to this thread. :p

Ok first of all i vote with the other players that support pes being a freaking bot hacker dude guy thingy
secondly, lets look at this mathematically
lets assume there are excactly 100 players on cf which include pes
so thats 99 other players
now lets assume that all the players have full stores of t1s aka noobs
(except for Birdspirit of course)
Thats 12 × 5 = 60
and 60 × 99 = 5940
and if you dont sleep at all( from what i have read)
your obviously 1.a Emo
2.a half crazed old man who forces creatures to breed genetically
3.a person who uses a bot
so if you manage to challenge all 5940 crits in lessay 24 hours,
and you have a bunch of lvl 100 t1s
it would be 12×5=60 again
and if you divide that thats 99
also i havent played crit forge for a long time ( bet my mammoths are starving to death_
but your so called ‘luck’ is dumb assed
and obviously you need to die 100 year old
soz for the bad words anyway

That didn’t make a single jot of sense at all. Did you just multiply numbers together randomly to produce a meaningless number that does not in any way relate to any conclusion?

Originally posted by jovanang:

Ok first of all i vote with the other players that support pes being a freaking bot hacker dude guy thingy
secondly, lets look at this mathematically
lets assume there are excactly 100 players on cf which include pes
so thats 99 other players
now lets assume that all the players have full stores of t1s aka noobs
(except for Birdspirit of course)
Thats 12 × 5 = 60
and 60 × 99 = 5940
and if you dont sleep at all( from what i have read)
your obviously 1.a Emo
2.a half crazed old man who forces creatures to breed genetically
3.a person who uses a bot
so if you manage to challenge all 5940 crits in lessay 24 hours,
and you have a bunch of lvl 100 t1s
it would be 12×5=60 again
and if you divide that thats 99
also i havent played crit forge for a long time ( bet my mammoths are starving to death_
but your so called ‘luck’ is dumb assed
and obviously you need to die 100 year old
soz for the bad words anyway

…um…you’re variables…are kinda..bad. really bad.

I mean, everyone besides bird and pesc are noobs? And since when do noobs have 12 stalls? Most don’t even make the effort to get 7 stalls. And if you don’t remember, any stalls after 7 cost tokens. Which even some dedicated players(such as Thinkdeep) don’t get the token stalls. Noobs are simply scared off as soon as they hear it costs money. Which it doesn’t have to.

And as I’ve made an effort to attempt this before. Most people don’t visit more then once or twice a day. So if they have maybe 70 fights a day.

While pesc with 60 fights every 25 minutes. And In one day you can fight about..28.8 fights so 28 runs. (hooray for calculators 60 times 12 divided by 25) And then~ Pescado alone get’s 1680 fights a day.

While the average player gets a mere 70.

Now what you didn’t include in your numbers. Is that out of 100 players. Not all of them are actually playing. Or are not in the Coliseum. You need to be in the coliseum to get into the news.

As I’ve said before, some people actually just come to chat, some who just start out give up very quickly, some just start and only have maybe one or two critters. Some people mostly go to the safari, or simply focus on the quests. Some just left their window open and are afk.

If you think about it this way, and consider a lot of hidden variables. Then pescado is really only agaisnt maybe 30-80 people at time. And with the rate he plays, and the “luck” of it. It doesn’t seem that unbelievable that he will get into the news.

I for one, am not really on pescado’s side. But instead of having him flare up and argue with you pointlessly. I’ll just tell you straight out. You’re information lacks a valid argument.

A few other things, you can’t have a lv 100 t1. What does being emo have anything to do with staying up all night? Luck is also most of this game so, don’t knock it till ya got proof to do so :D

I love this thread.

Originally posted by echiuran:

I love this thread.

I think it’s safe to say we can end this. Looks like edge wont be doing anything publicly anyway. The edgebee forums has a better, more reasonable argument. This one is just getting silly.

Then I’d like to say LAST POST OF THREAD!!! called dibs

Hey guys, have you noticed Pescado in the news a lot recently?

Originally posted by PescadoJM:

Originally posted by chimaera:

Look people, you are never going to convince Pescado to suddenly hold his hands up and say “yep, I am doing something wrong” or words to that effect. He’s clearly not that kind of person and instead gets a kick out of wordsmithing.

You mean, like, say, a gamer?

Originally posted by chimaera:

If I were to summarise, it is clear that Pescado and others in his ‘clan’ do not do anything that Edgebee explicitly states is not allowed. At the same time, they clearly do not play the game in the manner it was intended to be played, nor in a manner that is fair to others playing the game who do not partake of the loopholes and glitches.

Ah, but what exactly is “intended”? It’s not like this game comes with a walkthrough of exactly how you’re supposed to play it. Indeed, such a game would be utterly boring: You would follow the walkthrough, beat the game, get the badge, and move on. The very nature of the game is that you’re dumped into it with absolutely no guidelines as to what the basic underlying mechanics even are, and are expected to find them out for yourself. It is, in essence, a game about finding out what the rules even ARE and then exploiting them for your own advantage. How, then, is doing exactly this “not playing the game as intended”? Isn’t the entire point of a game to exploit the ruleset for maximum benefit? Hell, isn’t that the entire point of REAL LIFE? This game presents to you 4 objectives: Be the richest player, be the best player, own the best critters, and be in the best syndicate. Some of these goals appear to be mutually exclusive to some degree, particularly the “best player”. Nonetheless, we have set out to accomplish these goals, and to some extent, we have. How is this not playing the game as intended?

It is clear that we do not play these games for the same reasons: I play them to win. You, appear to play them for “fun”. But I’m Pescado, and I hate fun.

Just chill out a bit. And you sayed you hate fun right? Well if you hate fun then you are not a gamer. Hell you are not even a normal person if you hate fun.

3 days ago was the 2 year anniversary of this thread’s official death (at least in my time zone). They don’t even play anymore and haven’t for a long time.
On posts, above your UN there is a date. That is when the post was posted, don’t bump dead threads unless you have some relevant question or something.

yeah its just silly and annoying – thread died agessss ago.

xind you are next…. botter