Weapons DPS and Time

22-12-2012
i wont update this from now on since i completely lost interest in this game because of:
hacks which are still not patched
most of the people being overpowered because of artis
and because some medals are impossible / unnecessary to get (500 flags in one room)

hopefully some of you still enjoy the game, this thread may be useful to you gl&hf all

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people who added/helped throughout this thread:

lod89
los3r33
cllazyman
tangocyan
HeManhandled
kennyc123
TDP4fool

and all of the bumpers :P

if you think your name should be here post which page you contributed please

things to do list: (7-24-2012) ill work on the updates from time to time but its going really slow...
- add the new weapons
| this might happen eventually when i added all the other weapons but dont expect it soon
V - add uzi, skorpion, mp5, calico, 9a-91 with double clip to all the lists
- add winchester, benelli, jackhammer with double clip to all the lists
- add/change quiz questions (suggestions are welcome via pm/wisper) NOTE: according to DragonArcherZ and Ruzerek 10 luck -> 16% chance to crit, 17 luck -> 27,2%

I wish you all good luck with this wall of text and numbers
Coming up:
- Dmg in the first 5 sec (max and min dmg)
- Time needed to kill a 10/10 player (max and min dmg)
- Time needed to kill a 17/17 player (max and min dmg)
- Weapon list in order of the fastest 17/17 kill (max and min dmg)
- hp/def path

Second, if you find any mistake or find yourself having a question just post it :D

My wish is that this thread will be stickied and be helpful to a lot of ppl. QUIZZ TIME :D

With what can you kill a player with 950 hp and 17 def fastest (headshots only 0 luck) :
A: LGM
B: LGH
C: Plasma Shocker

With what can you kill a player with 950 hp and 17 def fastest (headshots only 0 luck) :
A:Dragunov
B: M249 SAW
C: M202A2

With what can you kill a player with 600 hp and 10 def fastest (headshots only 0 luck) :
A: M249 SAW
B: LGM
C: LGH

The answers are below the wall.

NOTE: THIS IS MAX DMG:------------------------------NOTE: THIS IS MIN DMG:

Glock 18:30 dmg---------------------------------------Glock 18:20 dmg
1 sec 120 dmg-----------------------------------------1 sec 80 dmg
2 sec 90 dmg------------------------------------------2 sec 60 dmg
3 sec 90 dmg------------------------------------------3 sec 60 dmg
4 sec 120 dmg-----------------------------------------4 sec 80 dmg
5 sec 90 dmg + 0.2 sec reload-------------------------5 sec 60 dmg + 0.2 sec reload
510 dmg +2.8 sec reload left---------------------------340 dmg +2.8 sec reload left

Colt King Cobra:50 dmg--------------------------------Colt King Cobra:40 dmg
1 sec 200 dmg-----------------------------------------1 sec 160 dmg
2 sec 100 dmg + 0.5 sec reload------------------------2 sec 80 dmg + 0.5 sec reload
3 sec 0.2 sec reload + 150 dmg------------------------3 sec 0.2 sec reload + 120 dmg
4 sec 150 dmg + 0.3 sec reload------------------------4 sec 120 dmg + 0.3 sec reload
5 sec 0.4 sec reload + 100 dmg------------------------5 sec 0.4 sec reload + 80 dmg
700 dmg and 4 bullets left (0.0 sec)--------------------560 dmg and 4 bullets left (0.0 sec)

Gold Eagle:90 dmg-------------------------------------Gold Eagle:70 dmg
1 sec 360 dmg-----------------------------------------1 sec 280 dmg
2 sec 270 dmg + 0.2 sec reload------------------------2 sec 210 dmg + 0.2 sec reload
3 sec 1 sec reload--------------------------------------3 sec 1 sec reload
4 sec 0.3 sec reload + 270 dmg------------------------4 sec 0.3 sec reload + 210 dmg
5 sec 270 dmg-----------------------------------------5 sec 210 dmg
1170 dmg and 1 bullet left (0.1 sec)-------------------910 dmg and 1 bullet left (0.1 sec)

10mm SOP:250 dmg-----------------------------------10mm SOP:200 dmg
1 sec 1000 dmg----------------------------------------1 sec 800 dmg
2 sec 750 dmg-----------------------------------------2 sec 600 dmg
3 sec 750 dmg + 0.3 sec reload------------------------3 sec 600 dmg + 0.3 sec reload
4 sec 0.7 sec reload +250 dmg-------------------------4 sec 0.7 sec reload + 200 dmg
5 sec 1000 dmg----------------------------------------5 sec 800 dmg
3750 dmg +5 bullets left (0.3 sec)----------------------3000 dmg +5 bullets left (0.3 sec)

Mini-Uzi:30 dmg----------------------------------------Mini-Uzi:25 dmg
1 sec 210 dmg-----------------------------------------1 sec 175 dmg
2 sec 210 dmg-----------------------------------------2 sec 175 dmg
3 sec 180 dmg +0.15 sec reload-----------------------3 sec 150 dmg +0.15 sec reload
4 sec 1 reload------------------------------------------4 sec 1 reload
5 sec 1 reload------------------------------------------5 sec 1 reload
600 dmg +0.85 sec reload left-------------------------500 dmg +0.85 sec reload left

Skorpion vz. 61:60 dmg-------------------------------Skorpion vz. 61:50 dmg
1 sec 420 dmg-----------------------------------------1 sec 350 dmg
2 sec 420 dmg-----------------------------------------2 sec 350 dmg
3 sec 360 dmg-----------------------------------------3 sec 300 dmg
4 sec 420 dmg-----------------------------------------4 sec 350 dmg
5 sec 180 +0.6 sec reload------------------------------5 sec 150 +0.65 sec reload
1800 dmg + 1.9 sec reload left-------------------------1500 dmg + 1.85 sec reload left

MP5:90 dmg--------------------------------------------MP5:70 dmg
1 sec 630 dmg-----------------------------------------1 sec 490 dmg
2 sec 630 dmg-----------------------------------------2 sec 490 dmg
3 sec 540 dmg-----------------------------------------3 sec 420 dmg
4 sec 630 dmg-----------------------------------------4 sec 490 dmg
5 sec 270 dmg + 0.6 sec reload------------------------5 sec 210 dmg + 0.7 sec reload
2700 dmg + 2.4 sec reload left-------------------------2100 dmg + 2.35 sec reload left

Calico M960:50 dmg-----------------------------------Calico M960:40 dmg
1 sec 350 dmg-----------------------------------------1 sec 280 dmg
2 sec 350 dmg-----------------------------------------2 sec 280 dmg
3 sec 300 dmg-----------------------------------------3 sec 240 dmg
4 sec 350 dmg-----------------------------------------4 sec 280 dmg
5 sec 350 dmg-----------------------------------------5 sec 280 dmg
1700 dmg + 16 bullets left------------------------------1360 dmg + 16 bullets left

9A-91:100 dmg----------------------------------------9A-91:80 dmg
1 sec 600 dmg-----------------------------------------1 sec 480 dmg
2 sec 600 dmg-----------------------------------------2 sec 480 dmg
3 sec 500 dmg-----------------------------------------3 sec 400 dmg
4 sec 1.0 sec reload------------------------------------4 sec 1.0 sec reload
5 sec 1.0sec reload-------------------------------------5 sec 1.0 sec reload
1700 dmg + 0.5 sec reload left-------------------------1360 dmg + 0.5 sec reload left

Winchester:120 dmg-----------------------------------Winchester:100 dmg
1 sec 480 dmg-----------------------------------------1 sec 400 dmg
2 sec 360 dmg-----------------------------------------2 sec 300 dmg
3 sec 120 dmg + 0.9 sec reload------------------------3 sec 100 dmg + 0.9 sec reload
4 sec 1 sec reload--------------------------------------4 sec 1 sec reload
5 sec 0.1 sec reload + 360 dmg------------------------5 sec 0.1 sec reload + 300 dmg
1320 dmg + 5 bullets left (0.0 sec)---------------------1100 dmg + 5 bullets left (0.0 sec)

Beneli M4:110 dmg-------------------------------------Beneli M4:90 dmg
1 sec 550 dmg-----------------------------------------1 sec 450 dmg
2 sec 220 dmg + 0.8 sec reload------------------------2 sec 180 dmg + 0.8 sec reload
3 sec 0.7 sec reload + 220 dmg------------------------3 sec 0.7 sec reload + 180 dmg
4 sec 550 dmg +.1 reload------------------------------4 sec 450 dmg + 0.1 sec reload
5 sec 1 sec reload--------------------------------------5 sec 1 sec reload
1540 dmg + 0.4 sec reload left-------------------------1260 dmg + 0.4 sec reload left

Pop Gun:350 dmg--------------------------------------Pop Gun:250 dmg
1 sec 350 dmg + 1 sec reload--------------------------1 sec 250 dmg + 1 sec reload
2 sec 350 dmg + 1 sec reload--------------------------2 sec 250 dmg + 1 sec reload
3 sec 350 dmg + 1 sec reload--------------------------3 sec 250 dmg + 1 sec reload
4 sec 350 dmg + 1 sec reload--------------------------4 sec 250 dmg + 1 sec reload
5 sec 350 dmg + 1 sec reload--------------------------5 sec 250 dmg + 1 sec reload

Jackhammer:150 dmg--------------------------------- Jackhammer:130 dmg
1 sec 900 dmg-----------------------------------------1 sec 700 dmg
2 sec 900 dmg + 0.13 sec reload-----------------------2 sec 700 dmg + 0.13 sec reload
3 sec 1 sec reload -------------------------------------3 sec 1 sec reload
4 sec 0.87 sec reload + 150 dmg-----------------------4 sec 0.87 sec reload + 130 dmg
5 sec 900 dmg-----------------------------------------5 sec 700 dmg
2850 dmg + 5 bullets left (0.06 sec) -------------------2470 dmg + 5 bullets left (0.06 sec)
1750 dmg + 1 bullet left (0.0 sec)----------------------1250 dmg + 1 bullet left (0.0 sec)

Ak-47:120 dmg----------------------------------------Ak-47:90 dmg
1 sec 840 dmg-----------------------------------------1 sec 630 dmg
2 sec 840 dmg-----------------------------------------2 sec 630 dmg
3 sec 720 dmg-----------------------------------------3 sec 540 dmg
4 sec 840 dmg-----------------------------------------4 sec 630 dmg
5 sec 360 dmg + 0.65 sec reload-----------------------5 sec 2700 dmg + 0.65 sec reload
3600 dmg + 3.35 sec reload left------------------------2700 dmg + 3.35 sec reload left

M16:150 dmg------------------------------------------M16:120 dmg
1 sec 1050 dmg----------------------------------------1 sec 840 dmg
2 sec 1050 dmg----------------------------------------2 sec 840 dmg
3 sec 900 dmg-----------------------------------------3 sec 720 dmg
4 sec 1050 dmg---------------------------------------4 sec 840 dmg
5 sec 450 dmg +0.65 sec reload-----------------------5 sec 360 dmg +0.65 sec reload
4500 dmg + 3.35 sec left------------------------------3600 dmg + 3.35 sec left

Steyr Aug:170 dmg-----------------------------------Steyr Aug:140 dmg
1 sec 1190 dmg---------------------------------------1 sec 980 dmg
2 sec 1190 dmg---------------------------------------2 sec 980 dmg
3 sec 1020 dmg---------------------------------------3 sec 840 dmg
4 sec 1190 dmg---------------------------------------4 sec 980 dmg
5 sec 1190 dmg---------------------------------------5 sec 980 dmg
5780 dmg + 1 bullet (0.1) left-------------------------4760 dmg + 1 bullet (0.1 sec) left

Assassin:250 dmg------------------------------------Assassin:220 dmg
1 sec 1750 dmg---------------------------------------1 sec 1540 dmg
2 sec 1750 dmg---------------------------------------2 sec 1540 dmg
3 sec 1500 dmg---------------------------------------3 sec 1320 dmg
4 sec 1750 dmg---------------------------------------4 sec 1540 dmg
5 sec 1750 dmg + 0.05 sec reload---------------------5 sec 1540 dmg + 0.05 sec reload
8500 dmg + 2.45 sec reload left-----------------------7480 dmg + 2.45 sec reload left

OICW XM8:300 dmg----------------------------------OICW XM8:260 dmg
1 sec 2100 dmg---------------------------------------1 sec 1820 dmg
2 sec 2100 dmg---------------------------------------2 sec 1820 dmg
3 sec 1800 dmg---------------------------------------3 sec 1560 dmg
4 sec 2100 dmg---------------------------------------4 sec 1820 dmg
5 sec 900 dmg + 0.65 sec reload----------------------5 sec 780 dmg + 0.65 sec reload
9000 dmg + 2.35 sec reload left-----------------------7800 dmg + 2.35 sec reload left

Originally posted by TDP4fool:

Ok guys, I’m Going to add the weapon damage(min/max to a 17/17 and a 10/10) of the guass rifle, PG mark1 and the PSG1.

Guass rifle
normally a guass rifle does:370-420
Against a 10/10:185-210(this will take 3-4 shots to kill, and takes ~0.3-0.45 seconds to kill)
Against a 17/17:56-63(this will take 16-17 shots to kill, and takes ~2.25-2.4 seconds to kill)

PSG1
Normally a PSG1 does 200-280
Against a 10/10:100-140(this will take 5-6 shots to kill, and takes ~0.8-1.0 seconds to kill)
Against a 17/17:30-42(this will take 32 shots(5 clips, 2 bullets) to 23 shots(3 clips and 5 bullets) to kill and takes ~8.3-12.7 seconds to kill)

Please add this to the DPS time thing. If this is incorrect in anyway, it’ll be cos i haven’t got the weapons myself. I have been TOLD what the min/max damage of what these guns do, but still, this data is kinda unreliable.

WA 2000:550 dmg------------------------------------WA 2000:450 dmg
1 sec 2750 dmg---------------------------------------1 sec 2250 dmg
2 sec 550 dmg + 1 sec reload-------------------------2 sec 450 dmg + 1 sec reload
3 sec 0.5 sec reload + 1650 dmg----------------------3 sec 0.5 sec reload + 1650 dmg
4 sec 1650 dmg + 0.5 sec reload----------------------4 sec 1350 dmg + 0.5 sec reload
5 sec 1 sec reload-------------------------------------5 sec 1 sec reload
6600 dmg + 6 bullets left (0.0 sec)--------------------5400 dmg + 6 bullets left (0.0 sec)

Dragunov:600 dmg-----------------------------------Dragunov:500 dmg
1 sec 2400 dmg--------------------------------------1 sec 2000 dmg
2 sec 1800 dmg--------------------------------------2 sec 1500 dmg
3 sec 1800 dmg + 0.3 sec reload---------------------3 sec 1500 dmg + 0.3 sec reload
4 sec 1 sec reload------------------------------------4 sec 1 sec reload
5 sec 0.2 sec reload + 1800 dmg---------------------5 sec 0.2 sec reload + 1500 dmg
7800 dmg + 7 bullets left (0.1 sec)-------------------6500 dmg + 7 bullets left (0.2 sec)

Barrett:1500-----------------------------------------Barrett:1200 dmg
1 sec 3000 dmg--------------------------------------1 sec 2400 dmg
2 sec 3000 dmg--------------------------------------2 sec 2400 dmg
3 sec 1500 dmg + 1 sec reload-----------------------3 sec 1200 dmg + 1 sec reload
4 sec 1 sec reload------------------------------------4 sec 1 sec reload
5 sec 0.5 sec reload + 1500 dmg---------------------5 sec 0.5 sec reload + 1200 dmg
9000 dmg + 4 bullets left (0.0 sec)-------------------7200 dmg + 4 bullets left (0.0 sec)

PG Mark l:650----------------------------------------PG Mark l:550
1 sec 4550 dmg--------------------------------------1 sec 3850 dmg
2 sec 4550 dmg--------------------------------------2 sec 3850 dmg
3 sec 1300 dmg + 0.75 sec reload--------------------3 sec 1100 dmg + 0.75 sec reload
4 sec 1.0 sec reload-----------------------------------4 sec 1.0 sec reload
5 sec 0.75 sec reload + 1300 dmg--------------------5 sec 0.75 sec reload + 1100 dmg
11700 dmg + 14 bullets left (0.05 sec)---------------9900 dmg + 14 bullets left (0.0 sec)

RPD:200---------------------------------------------RPD:180 dmg
1 sec 1200 dmg--------------------------------------1 sec 1080 dmg
2 sec 1200 dmg--------------------------------------2 sec 1080 dmg
3 sec 1200 dmg--------------------------------------3 sec 1080 dmg
4 sec 1200 dmg--------------------------------------4 sec 1080 dmg
5 sec 1200 dmg--------------------------------------5 sec 1080 dmg
6000 dmg + 46 bullets left (0.1 sec)------------------5400 dmg + 45 bullets left (0.1 sec)

M60E4:180-------------------------------------------M60E4:160 dmg
1 sec 1080 dmg--------------------------------------1 sec 960 dmg
2 sec 1080 dmg--------------------------------------2 sec 960 dmg
3 sec 1080 dmg--------------------------------------3 sec 960 dmg
4 sec 1080 dmg--------------------------------------4 sec 960 dmg
5 sec 1080 dmg--------------------------------------5 sec 960 dmg
5400 dmg + 71 bullets (0.1 sec) left-----------------4800 dmg + 70 bullets left (0.1 sec)

M249 SAW:260--------------------------------------M249 SAW:220 dmg
1 sec 1560 dmg--------------------------------------1 sec 1320 dmg
2 sec 1560 dmg--------------------------------------2 sec 1320 dmg
3 sec 1560 dmg--------------------------------------3 sec 1320 dmg
4 sec 1560 dmg--------------------------------------4 sec 1320 dmg
5 sec 1560 dmg--------------------------------------5 sec 1320 dmg
7800 dmg + 55 bullets (0.1 sec) left-----------------6600 dmg + 55 bullets left (0.1 sec) left

Gatling Gun: 290 dmg--------------------------------Gatling Gun: 250 dmg
1 sec 2320 dmg--------------------------------------1 sec 2000 dmg
2 sec 2320 dmg--------------------------------------2 sec 2000 dmg
3 sec 2320 dmg--------------------------------------3 sec 2000 dmg
4 sec 2030 dmg--------------------------------------4 sec 1750 dmg
5 sec 2320 dmg--------------------------------------5 sec 2000 dmg
11310 dmg + 211 bullets (0.07 sec) left--------------9750 dmg + 211 bullets (0.07 sec) left

Laser LGM:350 dmg----------------------------------Laser LGM:300 dmg
1 sec 1750 dmg--------------------------------------1 sec 1500 dmg
2 sec 1750 dmg--------------------------------------2 sec 1500 dmg
3 sec 1750 dmg--------------------------------------3 sec 1500 dmg
4 sec 1750 dmg + 0.2 sec reload---------------------4 sec 1500 dmg + 0.2 sec reload
5 sec 1 sec reload------------------------------------5 sec 1 sec reload
7000 dmg + 1.3 sec reload left left-------------------6000 dmg + 1.3 sec reload left left

Laser LGH:300 dmg----------------------------------Laser LGH:250 dmg
1 sec 1800 dmg--------------------------------------1 sec 1500 dmg
2 sec 1800 dmg--------------------------------------2 sec 1500 dmg
3 sec 1800 dmg--------------------------------------3 sec 1500 dmg
4 sec 600 dmg + 0.77 sec reload---------------------4 sec 500 dmg + 0.77 sec reload
5 sec 1 sec reload------------------------------------5 sec 1 sec reload
6000 dmg + 0.73 sec reload left---------------------5000 dmg + 0.73 sec reload left

Plasma Shocker:400 dmg-----------------------------Plasma Shocker: 350 dmg
1 sec 2800 dmg--------------------------------------1 sec 2450 dmg
2 sec 1200 dmg + 0.65 sec reload--------------------2 sec 1050 dmg + 0.65 sec reload
3 sec 1 sec reload------------------------------------3 sec 1 sec reload
4 sec 0.85 sec reload + 400 dmg---------------------4 sec 0.85 sec reload + 350 dmg
5 sec 2800 dmg--------------------------------------5 sec 2450 dmg
7200 dmg + 2 bullets (0.05 sec) left------------------6300 dmg + 2 bullets (0.05 sec) left

H.Z:800 dmg------------------------------------------H.Z:600 dmg
1 sec 800 dmg +1 sec reload--------------------------1 sec 600 dmg +1 sec reload
2 sec 800 dmg +1 sec reload--------------------------2 sec 600 dmg +1 sec reload
3 sec 800 dmg +1 sec reload--------------------------3 sec 600 dmg +1 sec reload
4 sec 800 dmg +1 sec reload--------------------------4 sec 600 dmg +1 sec reload
5 sec 800 dmg +1 sec reload--------------------------5 sec 600 dmg +1 sec reload
4000 dmg + 1 bullet (0.0 sec) left---------------------3000 dmg + 1 bullet (0.0 sec) left

6G30:1000 dmg---------------------------------------6G30: 800 dmg
1 sec 1000 dmg---------------------------------------1 sec 800 dmg
2 sec 1000 dmg---------------------------------------2 sec 800 dmg
3 sec 1000 dmg---------------------------------------3 sec 800 dmg
4 sec 1000 dmg---------------------------------------4 sec 800 dmg
5 sec 1000 dmg---------------------------------------5 sec 800 dmg
5000 dmg + 1 bullet (0.0 sec) left---------------------4000 dmg + 1 bullet (0.0 sec) left

SMAW:1400 dmg--------------------------------------SMAW:1200 dmg
1 sec 1400 dmg +1 sec reload-------------------------1 sec 1200 dmg +1 sec reload
2 sec 1400 dmg +1 sec reload-------------------------2 sec 1200 dmg +1 sec reload
3 sec 1400 dmg +1 sec reload-------------------------3 sec 1200 dmg +1 sec reload
4 sec 1400 dmg +1 sec reload-------------------------4 sec 1200 dmg +1 sec reload
5 sec 1400 dmg +1 sec reload-------------------------5 sec 1200 dmg +1 sec reload
7000 dmg + 1 bullet (0.0 sec) left---------------------6000 dmg + 1 bullet (0.0 sec) left

M202A2:1200 dmg-------------------------------------M202A2:1000 dmg
1 sec 4800 dmg +0.55 sec reload----------------------1 sec 4000 dmg +0.55 sec reload
2 sec 1 sec reload--------------------------------------2 sec 1 sec reload
3 sec 0.95 sec reload + 1200 dmg----------------------3 sec 0.95 sec reload + 1000 dmg
4 sec 3600 dmg + 0.6 sec reload-----------------------4 sec 3000 dmg + 0.6 sec reload
5 sec 1 sec reload--------------------------------------5 sec 1 sec reload
9600 dmg + 0.9 sec reload left-------------------------8000 dmg + 0.9 sec reload left

Thunderbringer:1000-----------------------------------Thunderbringer:850
1 sec 4000 dmg-----------------------------------------1 sec 3400 dmg
2 sec 3000 dmg + 0.2 sec reload------------------------2 sec 2550 dmg + 0.2 sec reload
3 sec 1 sec reload---------------------------------------3 sec 1.0 sec reload
4 sec 0.8 sec reload + 1000 dmg------------------------4 sec 0.8 sec reload + 850 dmg
5 sec 3000 dmg-----------------------------------------5 sec 2550 dmg
11000 dmg + 4 bullets left (0.0 sec)---------------------9350 dmg + 4 bullets left (0.0 sec)

And now a more interesting part: Killing a 10/10 guy (600 hp and 10 def)
NOTE: A clip means all the bullets in a clip + the reload time !!
IMPORTANT: For a full clip a reload is not necessary

STILL MAX DMG--------------------------------------STILL MIN DMG!
Glock 18:30 dmg-------------------------------------Glock 18: 20 dmg
2 clips and 6 bullets----------------------------------3 clips and 9 bullets
17.1 sec---------------------------------------------25.8 sec

Colt King Cobra:50 dmg------------------------------Colt King Cobra: 40 dmg
3 clips and 6 bullets----------------------------------4 clips and 6 bullets
8.1 sec-----------------------------------------------10.3 sec

Gold Eagle:90 dmg-----------------------------------Gold Eagle: 70 dmg
1 clip + 7 bullets--------------------------------------2 clips + 4 bullets
5.1 sec-----------------------------------------------7.5 sec

10mm SOP:250 dmg----------------------------------10mm SOP:200 dmg
0 clips and 5 bullets---------------------------------- 0 clips and 6 bullets
1.2 sec-----------------------------------------------1.5 sec

Mini-Uzi:30 dmg-------------------------------------Mini-Uzi:25 dmg
1 clip + 20 bullets-----------------------------------2 clips + 8 bullets
8.7 sec----------------------------------------------12.75 sec

Skorpion vz. 61:60 dmg-----------------------------Skorpion vz. 61: 50 dmg
0 clips + 20 bullets----------------------------------0 clips + 24 bullets
2.85 sec--------------------------------------------3.45 sec

MP5:90 dmg----------------------------------------MP5: 70 dmg
0 clips + 14 bullets----------------------------------0 clips + 18 bullets
2.1 sec----------------------------------------------2.55 sec

Calico M960 :50 dmg--------------------------------Calico M960: 40 dmg
0 clips + 24 bullets----------------------------------0 clips + 30 bullets
3.45 sec--------------------------------------------4.35 sec

9A-91:100 dmg ------------------------------------9A-91:80 dmg
0 clips + 12 bullets----------------------------------0 clips + 15 bullets
1.65 sec--------------------------------------------2.1 sec

Winchester:120 dmg--------------------------------Winchester: 100 dmg
0 clips + 10 bullets----------------------------------1 clip + 4 bullets
2.7 sec----------------------------------------------5.0 sec

Beneli M4:110 dmg----------------------------------Beneli M4: 90 dmg
1 clip + 4 bullets-------------------------------------1 clip + 7 bullets
3.3 sec----------------------------------------------3.9 sec

Pop Gun:350 dmg----------------------------------- Pop Gun:250 dmg
3 clips + 1 bullet------------------------------------4 clips + 1 bullet
3.0 sec----------------------------------------------4 sec

Jackhammer:150 dmg--------------------------------Jackhammer:130 dmg
0 clips and 8 bullets----------------------------------0 clips and 10 bullets
1.19 sec---------------------------------------------1.53 sec

Ak-47:120 dmg-------------------------------------Ak-47:90 dmg
0 clips + 10 bullets----------------------------------0 clips + 14 bullets
1.35 sec--------------------------------------------1.95 sec

M16:150 dmg--------------------------------------M16:120 dmg
0 clips + 8 bullets----------------------------------0 clips + 10 bullets
1.05 sec-------------------------------------------1.35 sec

Steyr Aug:170 dmg--------------------------------Steyr Aug:140 dmg
0 clips + 8 bullets----------------------------------0 clips + 8 bullets
1.05 sec--------------------------------------------1.05 sec

Assassin:250 dmg----------------------------------Assassin:220 dmg
0 clips + 5 bullets-----------------------------------0 clips + 6 bullets
0.6 sec---------------------------------------------0.75 sec

OICW XM8:300 dmg--------------------------------OICW XM8: 260 dmg
0 clips + 4 bullets-----------------------------------0 clips + 5 bullets
0.45 sec--------------------------------------------0.6 sec

WA 2000:550 dmg---------------------------------WA 2000: 450 dmg
0 clips + 3 bullets----------------------------------0 clips + 3 bullets
0.4 sec---------------------------------------------0.4 sec

Dragunov:600 dmg---------------------------------Dragunov:500 dmg
0 clips+ 2 bullets------------------------------------0 clips+ 3 bullets
0.3 sec----------------------------------------------0.6 sec

Barrett:1500 dmg----------------------------------Barrett: 1200 dmg
0 clips 1 bullet--------------------------------------0 clips 1 bullet
0.0 sec---------------------------------------------0.0 sec

PG Mark l:650 dmg--------------------------------- PG Mark l:550 dmg
0 clips + 2 bullets-----------------------------------0 clips + 3 bullets
0.15 sec--------------------------------------------0.3 sec

RPD:200 dmg--------------------------------------RPD:180 dmg
0 clips+ 6 bullets-----------------------------------0 clips+ 7 bullets
0.85 sec--------------------------------------------1.02 sec

M60E4:180 dmg -----------------------------------M60E4:160 dmg
0 clips + 7 bullets-----------------------------------0 clips + 8 bullets
1.02 sec--------------------------------------------1.36 sec

M249 SAW:260 dmg-------------------------------M249 SAW: 220 dmg
0 clips + 5 bullets----------------------------------0 clips + 6 bullets
0.85 sec--------------------------------------------0.85 sec

Gatling Gun: 290 dmg------------------------------Gatling Gun: 250 dmg
0 clips + 5 bullets-----------------------------------0 clips + 5 bullets
0.52 sec--------------------------------------------0.52 sec

Laser LGM:350 dmg--------------------------------Laser LGM:300
0 clips + 4 bullets-----------------------------------0 clips + 4 bullets
0.8 sec----------------------------------------------0.6 sec

Laser LGH:300 dmg---------------------------------Laser LGH:250
0 clips + 4 bullets-----------------------------------0 clips + 5 bullets
0.51 sec---------------------------------------------0.68 sec

Plasma Shocker:400 dmg---------------------------Plasma Shocker: 350 dmg
0 clips + 3 bullets-----------------------------------0 clips + 3 bullets
0.30 sec--------------------------------------------0.3 sec

H.Z:800 dmg---------------------------------------H.Z:600 dmg
1 clip + 1 bullet-------------------------------------1 clip + 1 bullet
1.0 sec---------------------------------------------1.0 sec

6G30:1000 dmg------------------------------------6G30:800 dmg
0 clips + 2 bullets-----------------------------------0 clips + 2 bullets
1.0 sec---------------------------------------------1.0 sec

SMAW:1400 dmg----------------------------------SMAW:1200 dmg
0 clips + 1 bullet------------------------------------0 clips + 1 bullet
0.0 sec---------------------------------------------0.0 sec

M202A2:1200 dmg---------------------------------M202A2:1000 dmg
0 clips + 1 bullet-----------------------------------0 clips + 2 bullets
0.0 sec---------------------------------------------0.15 sec

And now an even more interesting part: Killing a 17/17 guy (950 hp and 17 def)
NOTE: A clip means all the bullets in a clip + the reload time !!
For all bullets in a clip a reload is not necessary, important with the rockets (e.g. H.Z.)

STILL MAX DMG !---------------------------------STILL MIN DMG !

Glock 18:30 dmg----------------------------------Glock 18: 20 dmg
12 clips and 8 bullets------------------------------18 clips and 11 bullets
95.7 sec-------------------------------------------143.4 sec

Colt King Cobra:50 dmg---------------------------Colt King Cobra: 40 dmg
21 clips and 1 bullet-------------------------------26 clips and 3 bullets
46.2 sec-------------------------------------------57.8 sec

Gold Eagle:90 dmg--------------------------------Gold Eagle: 70 dmg
10 clips + 1 bullet---------------------------------12 clips + 7 bullets
33 sec---------------------------------------------41.4 sec

10mm SOP:250 dmg-------------------------------10mm SOP:200 dmg
2 clips and 6 bullets--------------------------------3 clips and 2 bullets
8.9 sec---------------------------------------------11.4 sec

Mini-Uzi:30 dmg-----------------------------------Mini-Uzi:25 dmg
10 clips + 12 bullets-------------------------------12 clips + 14 bullets
60.15 sec------------------------------------------72.15 sec

Skorpion vz. 61:60 dmg---------------------------Skorpion vz. 61: 50 dmg
3 clips + 16 bullets---------------------------------4 clips + 7 bullets
22.95 sec------------------------------------------28.3 sec

MP5:90 dmg---------------------------------------MP5: 70 dmg
2 clips + 11 bullets---------------------------------3 clips + 1 bullet
16.3 sec-------------------------------------------22.05 sec

Calico M960 :50 dmg------------------------------Calico M960 :40 dmg
2 clips + 27 bullets--------------------------------3 clips + 9 bullets
18.6 sec-------------------------------------------23.25 sec

9A-91:100 dmg -----------------------------------9A-91:80 dmg
3 clips + 4 bullets---------------------------------- 3 clips + 20 bullets
16,95 sec------------------------------------------19,35 sec

Winchester:120 dmg-------------------------------Winchester: 100 dmg
6 clips + 5 bullets-----------------------------------7 clips + 8 bullets
25.8 sec--------------------------------------------30.8 sec

Beneli M4:110 dmg---------------------------------Beneli M4: 90 dmg
8 clips + 2 bullets-----------------------------------10 clips + 1 bullets
21.8 sec--------------------------------------------27 sec

Pop Gun:350 dmg-----------------------------------Pop Gun:250 dmg
18 clips + 1 bullet-----------------------------------25 clips + 1 bullet
18.0 sec---------------------------------------------25.0 sec

Jackhammer:150 dmg--------------------------------Jackhammer:130 dmg
3 clips and 7 bullets----------------------------------4 clips and 1 bullet
12.63 sec--------------------------------------------15.48 sec

Ak-47:120 dmg-------------------------------------Ak-47:90 dmg
1 clip + 23 bullets-----------------------------------2 clips + 11 bullets
11.65 sec-------------------------------------------18.2 sec

M16:150 dmg--------------------------------------M16:120 dmg
1 clip + 13 bullets-----------------------------------1 clip + 23 bullets
10.15 sec-------------------------------------------11.65 sec

Steyr Aug:170 dmg--------------------------------Steyr Aug:140 dmg
1 clip + 3 bullets-----------------------------------1 clip + 11 bullets
9.4 sec--------------------------------------------10.6 sec

Assassin:250 dmg---------------------------------Assassin:220 dmg
0 clips + 26 bullets---------------------------------0 clips + 29 bullets
3.75 sec--------------------------------------------4.2 sec

OICW XM8:300 dmg--------------------------------OICW XM8: 260 dmg
0 clips + 22 bullets----------------------------------0 clips and 25 bullets
3.15 sec---------------------------------------------3.6 sec

WA 2000: 550 dmg--------------------------------WA 2000: 450 dmg
1 clip + 6 bullets------------------------------------2 clips + 3 bullets
3.5 sec---------------------------------------------5.4 sec

Dragunov:600 dmg--------------------------------Dragunov:500 dmg
1 clip+ 1 bullet-------------------------------------1 clip + 3 bullets
4.2 sec---------------------------------------------4.8 sec

Barrett:1500 dmg----------------------------------Barrett: 1200 dmg
0 clips + 5 bullets-----------------------------------1 clips + 1 bullet
2.0 sec---------------------------------------------4.5 sec

PG Mark l:650 dmg--------------------------------- PG Mark l:550 dmg
0 clips + 10 bullets---------------------------------0 clips + 12 bullets
1.35 sec--------------------------------------------1.65 sec

RPD:200 dmg--------------------------------------RPD:180 dmg
0 clips + 32 bullets----------------------------------0 clips+ 36 bullets
5.44 sec--------------------------------------------5.95 sec

M60E4:180 dmg------------------------------------M60E4:160 dmg
0 clips + 36 bullets----------------------------------0 clips + 40 bullets
5.95 sec--------------------------------------------6.63 sec

M249 SAW:260 dmg--------------------------------M249 SAW: 220 dmg
0 clips + 25 bullets---------------------------------0 clips + 29 bullets
4.08 sec--------------------------------------------4.76 sec

Gatling Gun:290------------------------------------Gatling Gun: 250 dmg
0 clips + 22 bullets----------------------------------0 clips + 26 bullets
2.73 sec---------------------------------------------3.25 sec

Laser LGM:350 dmg---------------------------------Laser LGM:300
0 clips + 19 bullets----------------------------------1 clip + 2 bullets
3.6 sec----------------------------------------------6.5sec

Laser LGH:300 dmg---------------------------------Laser LGH:250
1 clip + 2 bullets------------------------------------1 clip + 6 bullets
5.9 sec----------------------------------------------6.58 sec

Plasma Shocker: 400 dmg---------------------------Plasma Shocker:350 dmg
1 clip + 6 bullets-------------------------------------1 clip + 9 bullets
4.6 sec----------------------------------------------5.05 sec

H.Z:800 dmg----------------------------------------H.Z:600 dmg
7 clips + 1 bullet-------------------------------------10 clip + 1 bullet
7.0 sec----------------------------------------------10 sec

6G30:1000 dmg------------------------------------6G30:800 dmg
1 clip + 1 bullet-------------------------------------1 clip + 2 bullets
8.5 sec---------------------------------------------9.5 sec

SMAW:1400 dmg----------------------------------SMAW:1200 dmg
4 clips + 1 bullet-----------------------------------5 clips + 1 bullet
4 sec-----------------------------------------------5.0 sec

M202A2: 1200 dmg---------------------------------M202A2:1000 dmg
1 clip + 2 bullets------------------------------------1 clip + 3 bullets
3.1 sec---------------------------------------------3.25 sec

same list as above (time to kill 17/17) longest time on top shortest at the bottom

Min dmg------------------------------------------max dmg

Glock 18:30 dmg----------------------------------Glock 18: 20 dmg
95.7 sec-------------------------------------------143.4 sec

Mini-Uzi:30 dmg-----------------------------------Mini-Uzi:25 dmg
60.15 sec------------------------------------------72.15 sec

Colt King Cobra:50 dmg---------------------------Colt King Cobra: 40 dmg
46.2 sec-------------------------------------------57.8 sec

Gold Eagle:90 dmg--------------------------------Gold Eagle: 70 dmg
33 sec---------------------------------------------41.4 sec

Winchester:120 dmg-------------------------------Winchester: 100 dmg
25.8 sec--------------------------------------------30.8 sec

Skorpion vz. 61:60 dmg---------------------------Skorpion vz. 61: 50 dmg
22.95 sec------------------------------------------28.3 sec

Beneli m4:110 dmg---------------------------------Beneli m4: 90 dmg
21.8 sec--------------------------------------------27 sec

Calico M960 :50 dmg------------------------------- Pop Gun:250 dmg
18.6 sec -------------------------------------------25.0 sec

Pop Gun:350 dmg ---------------------------------Calico M960 : 40 dmg
18.0 sec -------------------------------------------23.25 sec

MP5:90 dmg -------------------------------------- MP5: 70 dmg
16.3 sec---------------------------------------------22.05 sec

Ak-47:120 dmg-------------------------------------Ak-47:90 dmg
11.65 sec-------------------------------------------18.2 sec

M16:150 dmg--------------------------------------M16:120 dmg
10.15 sec-------------------------------------------11.65 sec

Steyr Aug:170 dmg--------------------------------10mm SOP:200 dmg
9.4 sec--------------------------------------------11.4 sec

10mm SOP:250 dmg-------------------------------Steyr Aug:140 dmg
8.9 sec---------------------------------------------10.6 sec

6G30:1000 dmg------------------------------------ H.Z:600 dmg
8.5 sec---------------------------------------------10 sec

H.Z:800 dmg----------------------------------------6G30:900 dmg
7.0 sec----------------------------------------------9.5 sec

M60E4:180 dmg------------------------------------M60E4:160 dmg
5.95 sec--------------------------------------------6.63 sec

Laser LGH:300 dmg---------------------------------Laser LGH:250
5.9 sec----------------------------------------------6.58 sec

RPD:200 dmg-------------------------------------- Laser LGM:300
5.44 sec--------------------------------------------6.5sec

Plasma Shocker: 400 dmg--------------------------- RPD:180 dmg
4.6 sec----------------------------------------------5.95 sec

Dragunov:600 dmg-------------------------------- WA 2000: 450 dmg
4.2 sec---------------------------------------------5.4 sec

M249 SAW:260 dmg-------------------------------- Plasma Shocker:350 dmg
4.08 sec-------------------------------------------5.05 sec

SMAW:1400 dmg---------------------------------- SMAW:1200 dmg
4 sec-----------------------------------------------5.0 sec

Assassin:250 dmg--------------------------------- Dragunov:500 dmg
3.75 sec--------------------------------------------4.8 sec

Laser LGM:350 dmg--------------------------------- M249 SAW: 220 dmg
3.6 sec----------------------------------------------4.76 sec

WA 2000: 550 dmg-------------------------------- Barrett: 1200 dmg
3.5 sec---------------------------------------------4.5 sec

M202A2: 1200 dmg--------------------------------- Assassin:220 dmg
3.1 sec---------------------------------------------4.2 sec

Barrett:1500 dmg---------------------------------- M202A2:1000 dmg
2.0 sec---------------------------------------------3.25 sec

PG Mark l:650 dmg--------------------------------- PG Mark l:550 dmg
1.35 sec--------------------------------------------1.65 sec

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My wish is that this thread will be stickied and be helpful to a lot of ppl.
It includes all the weapons dps and time needed to kill a 10/10 and 17/17

The answers of THE QUIZZ :
With what can you kill a player with 950 hp and 17 def fastest (headshots only 0 luck) :
A: LGM 3.6
B: LGH 5.9
C: Plasma Shocker 4.6

With what can you kill a player with 950 hp and 17 def fastest (headshots only 0 luck) :
A:Dragunov 4.2
B: M249 SAW 4.08
C: M202A2 3.1

With what can you kill a player with 600 hp and 10 def fastest (headshots only 0 luck) :
A: M249 SAW 0.8
B: LGM 0.8
C: LGH 0.51

This whole thread took me about 3 hours to create (the original post that is).
^ lololo change that to a total of about 8 hours? (including the recalculations and the usual layout problems)
^ XD much more if you count the time ive been working on it in total
I really hope it will not be forgotten.

very nice thread but may i ask why dose the assassin have to reload? when killing a 17/17 player.

because when i calculate it…

250 damage per shot – 85% = 37.5 damage per shot and now if you only multiply that by 26 (thats how many bullets you would fire.) you get 975 damage. and that is more than enough damage. and the assassin has 34 ammo so you would still have 8 bullets left.

above the green line hp has more effect, below the green line def has more effect

Originally posted by bongoz:

very nice thread but may i ask why dose the assassin have to reload? when killing a 17/17 player.

because when i calculate it…

250 damage per shot – 85% = 37.5 damage per shot and now if you only multiply that by 26 (thats how many bullets you would fire.) you get 975 damage. and that is more than enough damage. and the assassin has 34 ammo so you would still have 8 bullets left.

i got no idea why i typed that assassin should reload → FIX’D → 0 clips + 26 bullets = 3.75 sec
thanks for pointing that out ;)

also the SAW is a bit slower than the assassin in DPS because in 1 second of the saw firing you get 229 damage and in 1 second of the assassin firing you get 249.

so im not sure if one of the calculations either with saw or assassin must be a tad bit off because it shows they take the same time to take out a fully upped 17/17 and also a 10/10 guy.

hope im not being a nit pick and a pain in the ass ;) i just thought since im really interested in this stuff that i could maybe help you out by trying to fined any problems. and once its all good then this calls for a sticky!!!! :D

assassin deals 250 dmg → 0.15 * 25=3.75
saw does 260 → 0.15 dmg * 24 = 3.6 thats a mistake
first bullet does not take any time to fire (keep that in mind)
how i calculate time:

bullet dmg * 0.15 (17 def)= A (dmg per bullet)
950(hp)/A=B (amount of bullets needed, always round up)
B-1 * shot interval + clips emptied * time per clip (reload included) = time needed

and that is why you shouldnt work on threads like this from 10 pm to 0:50 am ;)

2:30 am right now

so many words and numbers……………………….

how is reloading not important to H.Z? it takes 1 second to reload

Originally posted by tim0tim0:

assassin deals 250 dmg → 0.15 * 25=3.75
saw does 260 → 0.15 dmg * 24 = 3.6
first bullet does not take any time to fire (keep that in mind)
how i calculate time:

bullet dmg * 0.15 (17 def)= A (dmg per bullet)
950(hp)/A=B (amount of bullets needed, always round up)
B-1 * shot interval + clips emptied * time per clip (reload included) = time needed

and that is why you shouldnt work on threads like this from 10 pm to 0:50 am ;)

2:30 am right now

Dont forget the accuracy of the guns, Saw might miss half of the bullets and assasin hits the target completely

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RageBreakerGuy that was not needed.

Originally posted by SolemnGod:

Originally posted by tim0tim0:

assassin deals 250 dmg → 0.15 * 25=3.75
saw does 260 → 0.15 dmg * 24 = 3.6
first bullet does not take any time to fire (keep that in mind)
how i calculate time:

bullet dmg * 0.15 (17 def)= A (dmg per bullet)
950(hp)/A=B (amount of bullets needed, always round up)
B-1 * shot interval + clips emptied * time per clip (reload included) = time needed

and that is why you shouldnt work on threads like this from 10 pm to 0:50 am ;)

2:30 am right now

Dont forget the accuracy of the guns, Saw might miss half of the bullets and assasin hits the target completely

Yes but if your doing a combo i bet the saw will do it faster :D

for comboing i would take the barret (2.5 sec reload) you got 5 sec to kill the next one without losing your combo and most ppl get 1 shotted

Originally posted by A_Tdp4_Fan:

Originally posted by SolemnGod:

Dont forget the accuracy of the guns, Saw might miss half of the bullets and assasin hits the target completely

Yes but if your doing a combo i bet the saw will do it faster :D

i didnt forget the accuracy but that is impossible (for me) to calculate and besides that
some ppl acctually aim before shooting,
others just fire away,
and also the last category the ones that aim for the head,

it happened to me several times (im 10/10 that i got 1 shotted by a dragunov -> headshot + crit )

Originally posted by Hacker_1000:

how is reloading not important to H.Z? it takes 1 second to reload

what are you talking about ?

wont be on for the day (gone fishing) with a friend and my grandfathers boat :D
(read: fooling around all day)

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i did use caps on the weapon names D': i feel so dirty now
those who throw dirt are sure to lose ground

nicely made and usefull stuff,it should be stickyed .
i want the barrett^^easy to kill a 10/10 player and useful against 1 17/17 guyXD

wait i have asked this so many times and have goten no reply. do head shots do extra damage??? i thought they did not but who knows.

Originally posted by Hacker_1000:

how is reloading not important to H.Z? it takes 1 second to reload

Originally posted by bongoz:

wait i have asked this so many times and have goten no reply. do head shots do extra damage??? i thought they did not but who knows.

as i said in the other thread :
http://www.kongregate.com/forums/59-tdp4-team-battle/topics/161092-dragonuv-vs-m202a2?page=2#posts-3954656
head shots do max dmg (600 with drag) and i assume feet shots do min dmg (500 with drag)

oh thanks :)

no problem ;)
(also bump, stickey pls?)

i actually wanted to do this thread with average or min dmg of the weapons but since i dont own all of them i dont know the min dmg.
(min dmg to compensate somewhat for the misses)

well first of all bump (we can’t forget about this)

and yes this really needs a sticky. i can ask one of my friend mods to see what they can do.

This is a really great put together topic that should be sticky for the hard work done on it.

Originally posted by tim0tim0:

assassin deals 250 dmg → 0.15 * 25=3.75
saw does 260 → 0.15 dmg * 24 = 3.6
first bullet does not take any time to fire (keep that in mind)
how i calculate time:

bullet dmg * 0.15 (17 def)= A (dmg per bullet)
950(hp)/A=B (amount of bullets needed, always round up)
B-1 * shot interval + clips emptied * time per clip (reload included) = time needed

and that is why you shouldnt work on threads like this from 10 pm to 0:50 am ;)

2:30 am right now

actually assassins max dmg is 250 the minimum is 220