So, for those of you that weren’t online last night, here’s a thread where we can discuss and provide feedback to Tukkun for the new achievement system. To start, the current (VERY TENTATIVE) list can be found here: [http://pastebin.com/qc2Gy1au](http://pastebin.com/qc2Gy1au) Note that these are the 7th level (out of 7) for the achievements, so these aren’t supposed to be incredibly easy. That said, he still wants them to be semi-reasonable and obtainable. For now we can provide feedback on which ones are too easy, which ones are too hard, and which ones need to be added (the final list will be 7 levels of 191 achieves for 1337 total).

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Initial feelings without digging too deep into people’s current numbers: “Complete 7,500 Random Quests” – maybe cut this one down to 5k? S-rank is only 2500 now and is still a ton for most people “Spray a total of 50,000,000 Ants” – this seems a little low for once people can perma the doom sprayer…maybe up it to 100m? “Harvest from trees 5,000,000 times” – since you’re forcing people to use worse trees and anti-idle more, maybe drop it to 2.5m? “Gain 1,000,000 seeds from breeding in Another Garden” – this is WAY WAY WAY too high…50k was a pain point for almost everyone as far as I know. I don’t know what a reasonable number is, but even if it was 250k I could see myself NEVER getting it “Kill 50,000,000 monsters in the Battle Arena” – 25m seems more reasonable based on at least my numbers (I’d be about 40% of the way there after almost one year), unless these are going to count in ULTRA kills “Kill 25,000,000 monsters in the Battle Arena. Only red-named monsters and bosses count” – 15m feels more reasonable at least based on my numbers and the other achieves (I’d be like 40% of the way there after one year) “Defeat 200 different ULTRA-2 monster(s) in the Battle Arena” – maybe 210 just to make it ~50% of them? “Defeat 30 different ULTRA-3 monster(s) in the Battle Arena” – a little easier now with the increased chip rate, maybe 105 so it’s ~25% “Complete Defend Mission 250 times” – with the robro changes I would rather drown myself than get anywhere near this number…this is a long, non-idleable raid with junk rewards “Reach a high score of 600,000 in Defend Mission” – isn’t this currently way impossible? “Reach a high score of 690,000 in Prehistoric Mission” – isn’t this almost perfect? “Reach a high score of 40,000,000,000 in Tower of DOOOOOOM” – feels a little high…maybe 35b? “Defeat 500,000 Secret Crystals” – 250k is still a huge pain point, but a top level achievement “Defeat 500,000 monsters in Censor Ship” – why not 250k like the other normal zones…? “Reach a high score of 3,500,000 in Pong: Survival Battle” – really…to many people already got 3m for you? :P “Reach a high score of 2,000,000 in Math Master” – this one also seems a bit unreasonable “Reach a high score of 6,000,000 in Balance 3” – someone better than me at b3 have a feeling? “Win 500 bets in Stadium” – come on, this feature takes forever and is just rolling the dice… “Get a win streak of 30 against level 8 opponents in TukkunFCG” – I feel like 20 was already absurdly hard with the current AI…any plans on making this reasonable? “Gain a total of 100,000,000,000 Profit in LolMarket” – this is already higher than the CAP which is nutso high “Collect 5,000 Red Coins from Awesome Adventures” – unless these start doing something it just rewards players that have been playing longer/doing inefficient things for no benefit “Unlock a total of 100 Inventory Module Slots” – this doesn’t feel like an “achievement” to me…I could maybe accomplish this, but I don’t NEED the slots and it is just pumping things into a currency sink. At least opening the x number of crates ones give you something back, even if you don’t want or need the crates. “Gain 15,000 Ascension Points” – you only get 8750 if you finish pyramid 3, which only 3 people have done SINCE THE GAME STARTED

I’d say 3k Bestiary level is insane too. Nobody has it yet. Random Quest one was already too long when it was 5k for S-Rank, why increase it to 7.5k? 1m seeds from Breeding is a lot, too exaggerated. I got problems getting to 50k fairly fast, 1m can’t imagine…20x work for such achievement. Total Kills achieves can be good, maybe too long. Loots too. Defend Mission/Prehistoric Mission amount of times completed achieves are….stupid, especially DM. Roba was able to stun enemies in DM, now that’s even worse… Inventory Module Slots…? I can understand Boxes and REST too because they give back rewards, but why something that gives me technically nothing but more space for more modules(I have 35 slots, and I’m fine)? Secret Crystal achieve is totally junk. Why we must mine for an achieve? I’ve got the Pong one, but an absurd amount of people got 3m via Cyborg or extreme luck. Button’s 2.5m PERFECT clicks is asburd. It’s like idling for eternity or having years of hospital for your arm, or something like that. 20 Grandpas make 0.2 Perfects per second, which makes it so they need 12.5M seconds, which is equal to 144 days non-stop of idle Button. A little excessive I think. The Total Score of Arcade seem a lot ripoff, in compared to the Highscore ones. You can get those within a few weeks of playtime with Cyborg(or not even a day if your Cyborg is well-prepared). I’m surprised Pet’s achieve is only 100, and not 200. It doesn’t feel like a thing you have completed, as Pet caps at 200, not 100. More to come

Sorry this is formatted all shitty, I'm not good at however these forums work. Play Anti-Idle: The Game 100 times -- possibly the easiest thing here, it takes any noob 20 minutes to do this. This doesn't need to be insane number, but 3x, or something like that, seems more fitting. (people will still get it early by refreshing but I'm sure you realize this) Complete 7,500 Random Quests -- I sort of expected this to be put back at 5000 like it was, even higher is crazy. Harvest from trees 5,000,000 times // Gain 100,000,000,000,000 Coins from trees -- I'm 60% of the way to the first one and almost 200% of the second one. This should be more balanced, I suggest at least doubling the second (200t coins). Gain 1,000,000 seeds from breeding in Another Garden -- This could be 5x or 10x less and still kill us. please ;-; All the "Kill xxx,xxx monsters... " -- I've always thought my scores for these were low on the high scoreboards so maybe I don't have as valid an opinion here, but these would take me another 5+ years of playing AITG at this rate. Not sure what else to say but maybe they should be a bit lower overall (-25%?, -50%?). Kill 5,000,000 rare monsters // Kill 1,000,000 boss monsters -- First of all, boss needs to be raised quite a lot, as I just said, I'm no where close to most of the kill x monsters, but I'm already 2.5x this. Second of all, my numbers for both of these (boss and rare) are almost the same, so I don't see why they're 5x apart. I suggest 5m rare and 4m/5m boss. (note: I think I have more boss than is typical because I idle mostly TR) Spend 500,000,000,000 Crafting Material in the Battle Arena -- I can't think of a good reason this shouldn't be cap, even at that it would be one of the easiest objectives on the list. Have a level 3,000 Bestiary in the Battle Arena -- This is just high, even with chips it's quite of ridiculous, a few hundred less is still a nice challenge, and very few people would have it already. Deal 1,000,000,000,000 damage in one hit -- I don't have much merit for end game BA stuff, but without ever grinding or trying to get a good score, I've reached 60x this, so I propose it should be raised. Complete Prehistoric Mission 250 times -- This is dumb. Useless tedious grinding in my opinion, getting 25 was annoying enough. A still hard, but more reasonable goal would be 100. I'm going to ignore a lot of the BA high score things because I'm pretty out of the loop on lots of that stuff. Press the Button Machine 25,000,000 times // Get 2,500,000 PERFECT clicks -- I idled all of 200 career and 20 grandpas without a button mod or anything, and I'm less than half and a fourth done with these (respectively). A bit lower numbers would make sense, but they're not terrible at this for very long term goals. Break the Button Machine 10,000 times -- I don't know where everybody else is with this (no high score) but I only have 1000 breaks and that took a while. Maybe 2000 or 3000 would be better, need more opinions. Arcade high scores -- I had the typical MM and Pong struggles, so I'm totally upset about those getting raised, but oh well. I'll comment on Minesweeper, it should be raised to 3m or 4m. It's the game I'm best at so I'm biased, but if you're going to keep one game's lvl7 achieve the same as S rank, Minesweeper would be my last choice. Arcade total scores -- These could be raised. Instead of just using the same number for each of them (I have a feeling they're placeholders anyway), I suggest polling mid-late game players for their cyborg values and having the lvl7 achieve be 50 or 100 hours of that cyborg running that game. If that made any sense/sounds like a good idea I could type out some suggested numbers. Win Death Match 100 times -- This might as well be 300 or 500. At 100 it's 20k WC worth of CP and a day of cyborg, a bit easier than it should be if you ask me. Win 500 bets in Stadium -- This is way too high for something that is comprised of just sitting and clicking every few seconds. A better number would be 100 or 200. Have 25,000,000 unspent Stadium Tokens -- This is low, may as well go for 40m or 50m based on high scoreboards. TFCG stuff -- lvl200 is high but I'll take it. "Get x wins for lvl0,1,2" are low given how quick these are with cyborg. Those few might as well be 10x higher. Collect 5,000 Red Coins -- Retracting what I said earlier, unsure about this. Get a PERFECT streak of 50 -- I mean... some of them have to be impossible to 99.9% of the player base, right? ;-; Feed the Dragon of Wisdom 500,000 times -- That's 1000 days played for the typical player, some others (Day streak, times played, LM killed, etc) seem based around 100 days played, so I'd say this should be halved at least. Gain 15,000 Ascension Points -- If doyler is correct (8750 AP for +1000), then yes, this is too high. Again sorry this post turned out long as hell, I hope something I said will be taken into consideration :)

Bosses kills shouldn’t be higher than 10m cause only Phantomwolf13 is past this number. 3k bestiary is actually possible, but very long. I think the Mastering of all AG seeds take longer. About Red Coins, Omesh does not have 5k Red Coins, as I have at least 6-7k of those. Other than those, I agree.

First of I want to say that I believe that there should be achievements which will only be obtainable by 1%. Thats what makes them achievements. ofcourse there should be achievements for 100% of the playerbase aswell. 7500 RQs. – I think this is fine tbh. Will take time ofcourse, but if you time your cyborg to be finished when you get back from work/sleep you can get 40-50 without much effort a day. 50M Ants – as doyler said, perhaps more? you get a shitton with auto ant sprayer. Im thinking like 500m 1m Seeds – Bit overkill. breeding is just a tedious process where you go back and forth between progs/garden, or spend garden points. and you dont have the need for breeding long before you hit 50k. U2/U3 – should be higher. I suppose some U3s is simply not possible to kill atm, so that cant be @ cap. but imho the t7 Achievements should be reaching the cap. finish Def/PHM 250 – I think this is fine aswell. probably gonna have to finish it atleast 250 times to get B6 anyhows, which is another achievement. Dark Pyramid 5 000 000 000 000 – is this attainable? not anyone close in highscores EDIT : Jewk got it with insane optimizing, so obtainable but barely. 4t/4,5t maybe more likely Battery Charges – could probably be higher. Legendary Monsters – bit low imho. could probably be like 200/300. Pet level – 200 perhaps? Stadium wins – Bit overkill with Impossible + normal. both are most likely gonna be finished with borg anyhows. Could switch them around so that 500 stadium wins would turn into an achievement for lower lvl players to hunt. Idd like to see RQs in one day achievement (maybe between 100-150 for t7) and STZ

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“Break the Button Machine 10,000 times” Can we just throw this one out, please? For one, the requirement is absurdly high, and for another, it encourages players not to use the Invincibility Stars Card and to deliberately click the edges of the button to break it faster to get the achievement over with sooner.

Each time you encounter the AA Button guy, you also get 1 Button break count. It’s 100% junk, right, as the fastest way to do it is the same as Total Clicks one.

Wow… most of these are just INSANE! …Not looking forward to 25k Button Combo… ;\_; …But, I probably will force myself to collect them all. I kinda hope each will have cool “name” or “title” to them.

> *Originally posted by **[doyler](/forums/60/topics/554834?page=1#posts-9803758):*** > > “Reach a high score of 600,000 in Defend Mission” – isn’t this currently way impossible? Just tried Defend mission and got easily over 600k score. Idk where you found that it is impossible.

27 Gain a total of 50,000,000% Boost 43 Gain a total of 10,000,000% Boost 69 Kill 5,000,000 boss monsters in the Battle Arena 73 Kill 1,000,000 boss monsters in the Battle Arena I think the first one was reported, but I’m not sure about the second one. I think the second “boss” was supposed to be “epic”.

[list of 191 achievement by me](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rRcfU4tTKwE0q9Zxg4QLbYt51gLBnr5-li0_TSdNzNk/edit?usp=sharing)

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> *Originally posted by **[NerevarineLoL](/forums/60/topics/554834?page=1#posts-9819909):*** > > Also, it was covered that speedrun achievements are gay and not fun. I was unaware that achievements could have sexual orientation.

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[http://pastebin.com/h4XmydBJ](http://pastebin.com/h4XmydBJ) those are my ideas for values to t1-6 for the arcade high scores, they’re the t7 value multiplied by (n-1)/n with n being 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, and 96 respectively. I was considering making the last one 80-84 though…

1m AG Breeds…. no, just no. 50k is already too much imo. not sure about 4.2k SD score. Maybe set it to 4.3k or even higher Damage in the single hit should be damage cap imo. Mindsweeper should be higher, other arcade seem ok Win 500 bets sounds so pointless. Oh gawd, 50 fishing streak. Sounds awful, but I think this is good.

1 million AG seeds bred would probably take WEEKS of grinding. The current requirement already takes a lot of hours and is already dumb. It doesn’t need to be made 20 times dumber. No, thank you.

Bump with the new tentative list of achieves. http://pastebin.com/eE2KZsFY (Sorry if I re-made the post, but for some reason I forgot to put the link. I'm soooo sorry.)

I think Rank Ω's should be the absolute max in their categories if such exists. For example, in that list linked above, there's reach level 9k2, 4,500 collection points, etc. There are 3 on that list though that do not have the max possible for Rank Ω requirements: * ULTRA-2 monsters (list says 400, could be 419) * ULTRA-3 monsters (list says 250, could be 419) * Endless Dungeon floor (list says 200, could be 250) Not sure if 419 U3's are currently possible, though.

Tukkun didn't want the absolute maxes for those, the 400U2 and 250U3 were suggested in chat largely, why it's still floor 200 ED I have no idea.

There are also the YC/GC/BC hard caps but I don't think those are fun to aim for. Also most people say F250 is more boring than hard. I'll change it to 250 if people decide it should be 250 though.

With the v1783 update, I can now suggest to make the Rank Ω of max Cyborg bars to 21, because even the Arcade ones are now slowly maxable even without a very high personal highscore(it was still possible before, but it took waaay more time).