Originally posted by Shadowhopeful:

Well, the merger has finished, and I’ll be taking my leave in a few minutes.
I’ve spent over a year playing this game, and while it wasn’t always brilliant, in the end I think it was worth the time and effort. Not only that, but I’ve met plenty of people in one of the best communities on the internet :P
Tyrant is a fun game at its core, but recently, I’ve begun to doubt whether this game has any potential left.
The lack of decent PR from the devs sometimes made me think that there wasn’t any hope left for this game, and until recently, I always maintained there was a chance.
But not anymore.
At this rate, this game is doomed to failure, and when the devs finally realise this, it’ll be too late to save it.

And because I think this post isn’t long enough, I’d like to give my thanks to –
The players of the first Lords of Avalon, The Dirty Dozen, FBB, and Team AFK
The players who lodge in Room 18
The players who lodge in Room 11
Ravendad32 for taking over AFK for me, and I hope for the best towards the faction.
Merkavah, Moonfrost, and lol0lo for being good friends
0hio for being fucking epic
Ladolcevita for make the forums that little spicier
The_Lone_Pisces, for absolutely no reason
Moraku, Hunterhogan and TheRealPip for being extremely helpful
NETRAT for making the sim
yamks85 for constantly reminding me of the person I should never become
Every other forumite for making this one of the most vibrant and tightly-knitted communities I’ve seen and participated in.
And finally,
synapticoin, without whom none of this would have happened (in both interpretations)

PS.
If you ever bother to reassemble the consortium, I’d like to nominate the following –
Moraku
Hunterhogan
Shadevarr
0hio
sss1
lol0lo
kkk1234kkk

PPS.
This should be the last post I make, as I will be leaving Kong in its entirety.
I will (quite obviously) blame either withdrawal symptoms or curiosity if I come back.

See below posts for the original OP.

Originally posted by Shadowhopeful:

Do not lie to us.

Originally posted by synapticon:

Originally posted by ultraprogamer:

I dearly hope this is not a wb only 90 card set O.o

It is not WB-only.

This is HW all over again.
Except worse.
According to what I’ve got, the chance of an Awakening Shard from Daily Chance is just over 50%. You get 1 shard per day, assuming you can do quests.
Each pack costs 10 Shards. Now, that qualifies as about 1 pack per week.

Originally posted by Moraku:

Awakening Packs (35 Rares, 10 Legendaries)

Simulations Run: 1000

Average Packs purchased: 240
Average Awakening Shards spent: 2,400
Average WB spent: 6,000
Fewest Packs purchased: 102
Most Packs purchased: 660
Most Copies of a single rare/legendary: 14
Average Packs purchased to collect all Legendaries: 222

The fewest number of packs is 102, and that’s close to 2 years.
The greatest is 660, 12 years, 8 months.

I’ve sat and watched this game for over a year, ranting a lot, cheering a bit.
I though you guys had finally managed to do the right thing.
But no. My hopes had to be crushed. In the most galling of ways possible.

It’s not been fun, I tell you. It’s been a hard slog, but a rewarding one.
I’ve accepted (in the end), that you guys have to put food on the table, etc.
But I will not stand for lies.

If does not qualify as WB-only, I don’t know what will.

If you go ahead with this, I quit.
I’m going to stick around while I find somebody to lead Team AFK. If nobody steps up, I will simply hand it over to one of the players in the faction, then take my leave.
And I’m sure I won’t be the only one.

Originally posted by XRRRX7331:

I don’t care about how good it is.
I care about the availability of it, and also why they lied to us.

Originally posted by Shadowhopeful:

Originally posted by XRRRX7331:

I don’t care about how good it is.
I care about the availability of it, and also why they lied to us.

synapse always lies.

yeah.. 4 years average to collect all the cards… its too much.

Originally posted by maxkan:

yeah.. 4 years average to collect all the cards… its too much.

tyrant’ll be dead by then

It’s not lying if you can see through it. ;D

I thought it was 2 shards per quest? Was the info I got wrong?

Originally posted by scarmagista:

I thought it was 2 shards per quest? Was the info I got wrong?

It’s a pool, where there are 2 options.
1 Shard
1 Shard
You only get 1 of those options.

LOL
Give me what I want or I quit QQ
Bai

Originally posted by Sighaknight:

LOL
Give me what I want or I quit QQ
Bai

Screw you.

Originally posted by XRRRX7331:

Originally posted by Sighaknight:

LOL
Give me what I want or I quit QQ
Bai

Screw you.

:(

i don’t see any lying…a simple sentence is not a promise, it’s merely a statement expressing erstwhile plans

I don’t get it. They make packs where you can occasionally get one for free…or buy them with WBs like normal and you think that’s worse somehow? They didn’t say you’d get the whole set for free. They made a giant set and said you can get free packs from it. I guess more content is bad.

@Shadowhopeful I’ve near always agreed with your posts, but you cannot call them out for lying. It is decidedly not warbond only. There was no lie.

Not once in your post did you claim how long is an acceptable time for every-single-card to be in your hot hand, but you certainly seem to claim that 4 years is too much. Don’t go rage-quit on me, shadow, you were always my favorite :/

This is a case of our expectation vs. theirs. As the designers of a CCG, they don’t want to just hand out every card for free; why not just give everyone that plays D&D a vorpal blade? Why not start people off at the highest level with access all guns in CoD?

I imagine they envisioned a game where everyone’s deck was separate but equal. (CCG segregation?) The fact that the entirety of the hardcore playerbase basically has every card is probably troubling to them. With changes like crafting and these shards, they are trying to enforce variety in new ways. (In my mind it’s almost too many new ways. The game is fragmenting; the laser-beam of Tyrant is decohering. But anyways…)

If we could do a poll, I would suggest one that says:

I’d probably say, 6 months to a year? I’m pretty nooby, though.

This whole expansion and the HW expansion seems like a big message from the devs: “WB OR EXTREMELY HIGH PRICES!!!!”.

Originally posted by purei:

@Shadowhopeful I’ve near always agreed with your posts, but you cannot call them out for lying. It is decidedly not warbond only. There was no lie.

Not once in your post did you claim how long is an acceptable time for every-single-card to be in your hot hand, but you certainly seem to claim that 4 years is too much. Don’t go rage-quit on me, shadow, you were always my favorite :/

This is a case of our expectation vs. theirs. As the designers of a CCG, they don’t want to just hand out every card for free; why not just give everyone that plays D&D a vorpal blade? Why not start people off at the highest level with access all guns in CoD?

I imagine they envisioned a game where everyone’s deck was separate but equal. (CCG segregation?) The fact that the entirety of the hardcore playerbase basically has every card is probably troubling to them. With changes like crafting and these shards, they are trying to enforce variety in new ways. (In my mind it’s almost too many new ways. The game is fragmenting; the laser-beam of Tyrant is decohering. But anyways…)

If we could do a poll, I would suggest one that says:

How long do you expect to wait to get every card in a 90 card pack?

I’d probably say, 6 months to a year? I’m pretty nooby, though.

The point of the shards was not to allow other players to complete this new set, but to give them a chance for some of the cards. If the devs said you could complete this pack it would be a flat out lie though I don’t think that’s what they intend to do.

Originally posted by purei:

If we could do a poll, I would suggest one that says:

How long do you expect to wait to get every card in a 90 card pack?

I’d probably say, 6 months to a year? I’m pretty nooby, though.

Somebody in the other thread (cslaci? Moraku?) calculated that it would take 240 packs (averaging ~5 packs per week) to complete the Awakening set in one year. That would probably make everybody happy, but I don’t see the devs going for that.

In fact, I think that they’ve probably done the same calculations and are satisfied with the amount of time (min. 2 years; max. 12 years (!!!)) it would take for a so-called “casual” player to complete the set (or, at least, collect the best legendaries and rares). If I was cynical, I’d say that their goal is force people to lose their patience and buy the packs with WB.

The hardcore players won’t have a problem with that because many of them are already shelling out money for WBs. But, according to their own announcement, the devs are specifically targeting the casual player who normally wouldn’t buy WBs. If they can get some of those casual players to break down and spend money to buy packs, then it’s a big win (for the devs).

You can get packs without WB’s. So it is not WB-only. I don’t see where the lying is at all.

Originally posted by p4n1q:

You can get packs without WB’s. So it is not WB-only. I don’t see where the lying is at all.

Try to understand essentially. It takes an overcopious amount of time at maximum grinding to get all the rares/legends in 2 years MINIMUM and 12 YEARS MAXIMUM. People are basically forced into buying specific cards rather than taking a gamble on it.

to spice it a bit id like to say that i bought around 100hw packs and dont have engulfing chasm -the only card i realy wanted from there ;p

Originally posted by XRRRX7331:

Originally posted by p4n1q:

You can get packs without WB’s. So it is not WB-only. I don’t see where the lying is at all.

Try to understand essentially. It takes an overcopious amount of time at maximum grinding to get all the rares/legends in 2 years MINIMUM and 12 YEARS MAXIMUM. People are basically forced into buying specific cards rather than taking a gamble on it.

That has nothing to do with whether or not the set is WB-only. You can get packs without WB’s. Therefore it is not WB-only. I don’t understand what is so controversial about that.

Originally posted by Shadowhopeful:

Do not lie to us.

Originally posted by synapticon:

Originally posted by ultraprogamer:

I dearly hope this is not a wb only 90 card set O.o

It is not WB-only.

This is HW all over again.
Except worse.
According to what I’ve got, the chance of an Awakening Shard from Daily Chance is just over 50%. You get 1 shard per day, assuming you can do quests.
Each pack costs 10 Shards. Now, that qualifies as about 1 pack per week.

Originally posted by Moraku:

Awakening Packs (35 Rares, 10 Legendaries)

Simulations Run: 1000

Average Packs purchased: 240
Average Awakening Shards spent: 2,400
Average WB spent: 6,000
Fewest Packs purchased: 102
Most Packs purchased: 660
Most Copies of a single rare/legendary: 14
Average Packs purchased to collect all Legendaries: 222

The fewest number of packs is 102, and that’s close to 2 years.
The greatest is 660, 12 years, 8 months.

I’ve sat and watched this game for over a year, ranting a lot, cheering a bit.
I though you guys had finally managed to do the right thing.
But no. My hopes had to be crushed. In the most galling of ways possible.

It’s not been fun, I tell you. It’s been a hard slog, but a rewarding one.
I’ve accepted (in the end), that you guys have to put food on the table, etc.
But I will not stand for lies.

If does not qualify as WB-only, I don’t know what will.

If you go ahead with this, I quit.
I’m going to stick around while I find somebody to lead Team AFK. If nobody steps up, I will simply hand it over to one of the players in the faction, then take my leave.
And I’m sure I won’t be the only one.

I’ll second the opinion of Purei here; I’m nearly always a fan of you but I cannot agree with you on this matter.

Theres a few things I want to say:
1 – and most important of all – do NOT put your faith on devs. Homeworld, crafting, quests – long proven fact.
2 – Dont think this set as gold pack, not even homeworld. Think it like Nexus, one which petitions’ been raised for years to make it obtainable without WB.
3 – Now compare this one with HW. At best (not counting wbs, bugs, bots ofc) you could buy ONE hw pack every week, if your activity’s high enough (like, gold-grind a full bar for 4+ times a day). This one, at best again you could buy ONE per week, if your activity’s high – quest every day – but arguably not as high as one HW week. Better yet: you grind HW & AP at the same time.
4 – The simulation’s…simulation. At worst it could take forever to “complete a pack”. I bought countless HW packs and have half a dozen beacons for example, yet my hw counter stayed at 56/60. (ed: @molokot, i got a handful of chasms as well along w/ all purples, but no mobile base through hw pack…:p)
5 – That is not to say the number of rare/legendary in this set’s not outright outrageous. But it really has nothing to do with wb-only or not; its a pain in everyone’s ass – even wbers. Just think about how many wb THEY need to spend on it…again, refer to #1.

Originally posted by Shadowhopeful:

Do not lie to us.

Originally posted by synapticon:

Originally posted by ultraprogamer:

I dearly hope this is not a wb only 90 card set O.o

It is not WB-only.

This is HW all over again.
Except worse.
According to what I’ve got, the chance of an Awakening Shard from Daily Chance is just over 50%. You get 1 shard per day, assuming you can do quests.
Each pack costs 10 Shards. Now, that qualifies as about 1 pack per week.

Originally posted by Moraku:

Awakening Packs (35 Rares, 10 Legendaries)

Simulations Run: 1000

Average Packs purchased: 240
Average Awakening Shards spent: 2,400
Average WB spent: 6,000
Fewest Packs purchased: 102
Most Packs purchased: 660
Most Copies of a single rare/legendary: 14
Average Packs purchased to collect all Legendaries: 222

The fewest number of packs is 102, and that’s close to 2 years.
The greatest is 660, 12 years, 8 months.

Wait a sec. Let’s be fair.

WB only is packs like Nexus, Blight, Purity, Phebos, and Aftermath that have the only option to buy packs/cards (other than those as mission rewards) as WBs. WB ONLY.

Awakening is going to be available for both WB and Awakening Shards, and as you say a player that spends zero WB should get about 1 pack per week on average. Getting 1 pack free per week doesn’t sound like it is WB only. Now I grant you that a free player will be unlikly, given the current setup, to be able to collect all the cards for free. But the devs never said they woudl be able to. They said it would not be a WB only pack, and it isn’t.

Personally, I didn’t buy any Phebos or Awakening (I did WB Svet from the vault though). The last pack I bought was from Blight. So, I am honestly happy that I am going to be able to get 1 free pack per week. I won’t have to spend gold to do this. I won’t have to grind things I have already done like raids or play tournies. Just log on (crates) and do the quest (which I do anyway for the gold and because it is easy).

Do WB player still have an advantage? Sure, but this set doesn’t change that. And given I surge pretty well in the top 10 without being a significant WBer I am going to go out on a limb and say that you don’t really need to spend WB to do well in this game (it makes it easier for sure, but not required).

Also, I don’t think it would take 6000 WBs to collect the whole set. Let’s stop that number right now. Likly collectors will WB enough packs to get the uncommons and commons and then WB the rest from the vault (which is how I assume they opperate today anyway). The only real barrier is the legondaries (given the set is large and there are a bunch of them to get). I do conceed that this will be a rage barrier for the collectors, which is why I have asked the devs if (at least for this set) make Legondaries available in the vault like rare and uncommons are. We will see what they say.

They devs have not shared with me why they are releasing the set this way (vs say breaking it up into two sets like they did with Phoebos/Aftermath). However if I had to guess, the devs are trying to find a way to make the cards available to both free players AND make enough money to continue with the game. Homeworld was another experiment at this (again, the devs haven’t shared any specifics with me, but given they did not release another set purchasable with gold, I am going to assume they didn’t make as much money on HW as they did on WB only sets).

I said it before, having 1 free pack per week is better than no free packs per week. I you want ALL the cards, yes you will have to WB, but that has always been the case (those who don’t WB won’t have ALL the cards from Nexus, Blight, Purity, Phoebos, Aftermath, and promos).

Pip