**My Thoughts Leading Up To The Event** Regarding the rewards for the Winter Clash event... I'm not looking forward to having a useless amount of two new never-to-be-used mythic stone types taking up space in my inventory, especially not if it'll be sorted at the top, continuing to push frequently-used items further down the inventory list. I'm glad the players' inventories were restructured to have consumables at the top, and I understand that putting mythic stones at the top is partly about marketing, but it would be so much better if things that were actually usable would be up there. Anyway, as for mythic fragments... I have no expectation of reaching the top 100 ranking to earn mythic fragments, but at least those who do will get the full card and won't have to sit and wait for a chance pack. This reward structure makes me think that mythic object chance packs will not be a thing, which is a relief as that might have interrupted the rotation of the existing chance packs. So, roughly the only thing I'll be playing the challenge for is challenge coins. If an event like this will come every BGE, or maybe every quarter, then I suppose those super mythic stones and mythic object stones might eventually see use. I can't say I'd like seeing all the new mythics that would require. At least the idea of highlighting thematic and rarely-used combos was a good one. The bonus to these cards' stats is quite unique and might give players with those combos or PCs a fun sense of power. If the difficulty curve is not too severe, this could be an enjoyable challenge. ... **Starting The Challenge** So there's a brief bit of dialogue from Robot Santa before the challenge starts. Nothing particularly amusing about it, unfortunately, but it adds a bit of flavor to the challenge. Robot Santa ends his talk taunting that the player is "not gonna get my mythic card" or the like. The flavor of this would have been perfect if only the mythic was a mythical "toys" card, then it would feel even more like we're beating up Robot Santa to steal a toy. Just a little odd that the mythic we're trying to "take" from Robot Santa is a person. ... **My Thoughts Playing It** As others have reported, previewing a combo by holding a character over top of an object in play is displaying a massive boost to attack and health. At first I thought it was applying the 100% boost to attack, health, and skills that would be reserved for the challenge-specific combos. On closer examination, the skill amounts shown in the preview are normal, and it's just the attack and health values that are incorrectly shown as boosted. When I make the combo, I get the usual, lower stats, not the buffed stats, which is appropriate. It just means planning and math are more difficult since I have to divide all previewed attack and health stats in half. Playing the app on Android. As an example... Quad Iraq Lobster has 18 attack and 33 health. Fused Philip J. Fry has 15 attack and 29 health. Previewing the Umbriel combo shows 48 attack and 100 health. Making the Umbriel combo results in 23 attack and 50 health. The normal amount. Started the challenge at level 7; winning there earned 9 challenge coins and 370 trophies. I should have tried increasing my arena rank before this challenge dropped to be able to start it at a higher challenge level. Beating level 8 gave me 10 challenge coins and 450 trophies. Surrendered a losing match at level 9 and earned 3 challenge coins and 450 trophies. It seems surrendering dropped me down to level 8 again as winning my next match put me up to level 9 again. Wasn't paying enough attention, there. Won at level 9. Won at level 10, earning 12 challenge coins and 640 trophies. Surrendered a losing match at level 11, earning 4 challenge coins and 640 trophies. That did drop me to level 10 again. Won at level 10, and that's it for today. Haven't seen any of the special combos. I'm assuming the opposing AI is pulling from SFC decks, so it's not surprising that I'm playing against Educated and Animal cards. Haven't gotten up to level 25 yet, where the difficulty should spike from the enemy AI getting 10% boosts to attack, health, and skills. Opponents that make a punch combo right away are definitely overpowered; that's a lot of damage targetting my first, un-comboed, card. Challenge coin rewards seem a little low compared to those awarded when at a similar level of difficulty within the no-refill challenge. That's a bit disappointing. Lower challenge coin rewards than I remember earning in Burgerboss and in Swole, too, but I could be misremembering these details. Oh, I see that challenge energy will refill at 18:00 UTC tomorrow. That's great! I really like how this challenge, like Burgerboss before it, is giving players a full 24 hours to use their energy. It's a big quality-of-life upgrade over the structure of the regular challenges with their 7-hour windows for play on their last days. Ah, as I suspected, the two new mythic stone types are stuck at the top of my inventory. Boo. My preferred sorting method would be to have first usable stones (amounts greater than 1000) in order of descending rarity, then usable refills, then all the unusable stuff (starting with stones in amounts less than 1000 and sorted by rarity). ... **Regarding Alexis J M's Criticism** > *Originally posted by **[Alexis_J_M](/forums/727066/topics/1780786?page=4#12961002)**:* > At first glance this looked really interesting, with 12 different characters represented, but looking up the actual combos I see that most of the characters only have a few ways to make their combo, and most of the others use the same small pool of object cards over and over again. If you didn't happen to invest in the BGE that this event heavily draws from you are pretty much SOL. > > I've spent hundreds of dollars on this game -- not a whale, but far from F2P, and this event simply misses all the strengths of my deck. Let's just say I'm not inspired to dig into my hoarded gems to participate. I'm not going to work hard to build a deck to take advantage of the 13 good combos with my Teddy card when I need to fill the deck with 8 or 9 other characters where I don't have much to combine them with. > > ... > > To be blunt, I'm not going to waste any more gems, Giggitywatts, or research speedups on creating a good deck for an event that is so badly composed. > > I've got the makings for three quad Bobby, but it combos with one Leg I don't have and one Epic that I certainly don't have, since like most SFC players I had to pitch most or all of my Epic cards before the last expansion. > > I've got three quad Peters I use heavily, but Peter only combos with one legendary card, and I've only got a fuse, not a quad. > > I've got **nine** Mythic character cards, but only two of them combine with any of my Leg items. > > It gets even worse when I look at the object cards by BGE. Two of them have no BGE at all, 10 Armed cards combine with 3 of the characters, 13 Fighter cards combine with a single Mythic, 4 Drunk cards combine only with Roger, and no other BGEs are represented at all. > > **I was really looking forward to building a deck around a small group of buffed combos, but there are no viable synergies or chains to build off of.** I'm better off just dropping an extra Roger into my Drunk deck and hoping that I get lucky to draw him in critical battles before my opponent gets a lucky draw in theirs -- and that's not a fun meaningful battle experience. (Other people with a strong Armed deck can use that and hope for the best.) > > > > > > > Nice try, I appreciate seeing new content in the game, but I'm not going to invest heavily in a short term event that uses such a weird slice of the card diversity in the game. Let me know when SWOLE is back. I agree; while I liked the idea of promoting specific flavorful combos in the event, there are too many factors standing in the way of trying to acquire cards or research combos just for this event. It's good that they've tried something different, and I hope to see more fun ideas like this, in the future, but it's unfortunate that I seemingly won't be able to fully enjoy the bonuses this event offers. Absolutely looking forward to the return of Swole Club. I had worried this challenge might mean we would not get a holiday Swole Club event but, the fact that this one could not be played by players outside of SFC gives me hope that Swole could still be expected as a holiday gift for a greater amount of players.

Here's the list of combo recipes, since I'm at the top of a page: | Combo & Link | Trait | Legends | Epics | | --- | --- | --- | --- | | [Gun Safety Peter](https://cartoon-battle.cards/recipes?Gun-Safety-Peter) | Armed | Pantry Guns | Flare Gun, Ray Gun, Rifle | | [Santa Killer Hayley](https://cartoon-battle.cards/recipes?Santa-Killer-Hayley) | Armed | Antichrist, Candy Cane Gun, Cat Guards, Cat with Gun, Deers with Guns, Gingerbread Guns, Katana Trisha Takanawa | A Gun For Christmas, Dale's Artillery, Robot Santa | | [Santa Killer Steve](https://cartoon-battle.cards/recipes?Santa-Killer-Steve) | Armed | Antichrist, Big Ass Gun, Candy Cane Gun, Cat with Gun, Deers with Guns, Gingerbread Guns | A Gun For Christmas, Dale's Artillery, Robot Santa | | [Penguin Conservator](https://cartoon-battle.cards/recipes?Penguin-Conservator) | Armed | Pantry Guns | Flare Gun, Ray Gun, Rifle, Robot Santa | | [Ready for Santa](https://cartoon-battle.cards/recipes?Ready-for-Santa) | Armed | Candy Cane Gun, Cat Guards, Cat with Gun, Gingerbread Guns, Katana Trisha Takanawa, Long Stick With Sharp Rock | A Gun For Christmas, Robot Santa | | [Eggnog Roger](https://cartoon-battle.cards/recipes?Eggnog-Roger) | Drunk | Jelly Bean Schnapps, Spring Break Shots, Thunder Cocktails, Vodka Beer | | | [Fowl Fighter Teddy](https://cartoon-battle.cards/recipes?Fowl-Fighter-Teddy) | Fighter | Arcturan Kung Fu, Arlen YMCA, Brian The Home Invader Lewis, Capoeira, Capoeira Reginald, Diamond Crusher, Fashion Wrestling, Himalayan Observatory Monks, No Mercy Dojo, Quahog Martial Arts Academy, Snot Rocket, Stop Hittin' Yourself, That's My Parfait | Dojo Biden, Samurai Toshi, Women's Self Defense | | [Heavenly Hank](https://cartoon-battle.cards/recipes?Heavenly-Hank) | Toys | Wireless Audio Transmitter | Rupert | | [Santa Bill](https://cartoon-battle.cards/recipes?Santa-Bill) | Toys | Wireless Audio Transmitter | Rupert | | [Santa Bender](https://cartoon-battle.cards/recipes?Santa-Bender) | Toys | Wireless Audio Transmitter | Rupert | | [Spin Out Louise](https://cartoon-battle.cards/recipes?Spin-Out-Louise) | Vehicle | Golf Ball Escape | | | [Road Kill](https://cartoon-battle.cards/recipes?Road-Kill) | Vehicle | Golf Ball Escape | | I assume the only real option for most SFC players will be to try an armed deck with legendary Peter, epic Leela, legendary Pantry Guns, and the assortment of epics available for those two. This is assuming you've kept our farmable epics, including Leelas. If you have the premium character Steve or the special mythic Hayley, that might help, but none of the armed items cross over to be used by Peter and Leela. I doubt anyone kept their rares, which might actually be playable in this event, so I'll assume combos requiring characters that are available as mythic or rare will only be played in their mythic form... and one character does not make a deck. Players with a ton of copies of Roger could try a drunk deck, but I think all the cards needed to make the combo are premium cards, so you'd have to have not only gotten lucky to get enough Rogers but would also have needed to go in on drunk boxes or turd packs. It's doubtful anyone would have the few toy and vehicle items needed, especially considering the quantities wanted to make a deck.

I already said it earlier in the thread, but I like this little event. I can only make three of the combos (eggnog roger, gun safety peter, and penguin conservator), so I built a drunk, armed, and fighter deck that complements those combos and it seemed to work ok. I didn't win every battle, but I don't mind. I kinda like the added challenge of the AI getting a head start... it makes the wins all the more sweet and satisfying. And when you lose, you don't lose THAT many points compared to a win (imo). Making Gun Safety Peter and seeing his massive Punch was a lot of fun, and Eggnog Roger's double gas came in very handy to me to help me win a battle. The four milestones should be achieavable, and IF there are events like this that are much more frequent (every few weeks at least) where players can build up the mythic resources and cash them in regularly, I don't see these stones in my inventory as useless junk. Also, I have a hunch these mythic item stones and super mythic stones will be part of the SWOLE rewards (so we might be very happy to have these partial bits in a few weeks). Edit: SWOLE my Swole into SWOLE because SWOLE :D

MAKE THE RED NOTIFICATION FOR THIS GOD DAMN EVENT **STOP!** DO NOT CARE ABOUT THIS OTHERWISE

> _Originally posted by **[BumGravey](/forums/726779/topics/1780786?page=1#12957237):**_ > Let the games begin! I love christmas!

> *Originally posted by **[1Platdiamond1](/forums/727066/topics/1780786?page=6#12961407)**:* > By the looks of this challenge it is definitely catering to the whales. Competition for them. Non whales and free players are really getting absolutely nothing out of this. Couple stones here and there. And in reality I can surrender each challenge match and get the same amount of points like as if I were to win the match. Kinda corny if you lost the match you would receive those points aswell. surrendering does nothing in this challenge that benefits you. and i would argue that u get nothing from this either because if they do this every bge, you could have a choice of 3. mythics and a choice of mythic object cards likely before you ever fill up your original mythic stones as a ftp player. also if you dont want your stones, i will gladly take them cuz i surely dont mind getting stufffor free

> _Originally posted by **[1Platdiamond1](/forums/726779/topics/1780786?page=4#12961071):**_ > > _Originally posted by **[GrzegorzK126](/forums/726779/topics/1780786?page=4#12961053):**_ > > I wonder how people got 21000 points on start? I manage to score 4000 > > The higher in arena you are the more pts you get per win in the challenge. **But for our sake I think the devs should at least check the scoring just to make sure. All new challenges tend to have the wrong points** So I can't match with higher ranked players with gaining points. Thats f unfair.

> *Originally posted by **[GrzegorzK126](/forums/727066/topics/1780786?page=6#12961426)**:* > > _Originally posted by **[1Platdiamond1](/forums/726779/topics/1780786?page=4#12961071):**_ > > > _Originally posted by **[GrzegorzK126](/forums/726779/topics/1780786?page=4#12961053):**_ > > > I wonder how people got 21000 points on start? I manage to score 4000 > > > > The higher in arena you are the more pts you get per win in the challenge. **But for our sake I think the devs should at least check the scoring just to make sure. All new challenges tend to have the wrong points** > > So I can't match with higher ranked players with gaining points. Thats f unfair. # the higher u rank in sfc the higher the lvl u start at for example i started at lvl 17 and it gives more points but i also ended at 15 so theres that

This *was* a great idea... but without the sleep timer I gotta take some of these blue cards out of my deck. The preview does not show doubled skills for the combos, don't think I saw that mentioned beside the larger bug of showing doubled stats for all. Everything played correctly with Peter, Hank, Leela, and Bender. It was fun to have an excuse to play Stressed Out Leela again. :)

> *Originally posted by **[Sykojoe](/forums/727066/topics/1780786?page=3#12960365)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[WolfisGod](/forums/727066/topics/1780786?page=3#12960352)**:* > > So is this replacing Swole this year? If so that's heavily disappointing. > > with all the love kong is getting do you really see them getting rid of swole right now? come on now... Considering their love is from their own actions... I kind of do... haven't really seen any information about it yet and it should be around now when it would be out?

So far, I am enjoying the new event. I like that I can start earning super mythic stones and mythic object stones, though I will need a lot more of both before they become useful.

> *Originally posted by **[WolfisGod](/forums/727066/topics/1780786?page=6#12961692)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[Sykojoe](/forums/727066/topics/1780786?page=3#12960365)**:* > > > *Originally posted by **[WolfisGod](/forums/727066/topics/1780786?page=3#12960352)**:* > > > So is this replacing Swole this year? If so that's heavily disappointing. > > > > with all the love kong is getting do you really see them getting rid of swole right now? come on now... > > Considering their love is from their own actions... I kind of do... haven't really seen any information about it yet and it should be around now when it would be out? i would imagine hearing about it officially friday. and starting wednesday. just an educated guess but im sure they are squaring away the details now. probably finding a way to implement the new super mythic stones and mythic object stones. with all the hate kong has taken, i think this will be a make or break event so its gotta be good. this is all just speculative but could you see the outrage if they scrapped it? its a fan favorite because its long strategic and has rewards like no other event. be patient. we will hear about it soon. and like i just mentioned in another thread, i imagine bender mythic might have something to do with it aswell...

> _Originally posted by **[Sykojoe](/forums/726779/topics/1780786?page=6#12961464):**_ > > *Originally posted by **[GrzegorzK126](/forums/727066/topics/1780786?page=6#12961426)**:* > > > _Originally posted by **[1Platdiamond1](/forums/726779/topics/1780786?page=4#12961071):**_ > > > > _Originally posted by **[GrzegorzK126](/forums/726779/topics/1780786?page=4#12961053):**_ > > > > I wonder how people got 21000 points on start? I manage to score 4000 > > > > > > The higher in arena you are the more pts you get per win in the challenge. **But for our sake I think the devs should at least check the scoring just to make sure. All new challenges tend to have the wrong points** > > > > So I can't match with higher ranked players with gaining points. Thats f unfair. > > # the higher u rank in sfc the higher the lvl u start at for example i started at lvl 17 and it gives more points but i also ended at 15 so theres that So top50 players for sure will get reward card. Second 150 will fight for the rest and little people will get scrap mythic elements. And i'm not trying to cry on forum but start of event should give at least chance for all sfc members not only the choosen ones.

Wow! What a let down. I thought this event was going to be an actual PVP event where we actually played against other players. But instead, it's the same old crap money grab and playing against the server, again. When are you guys going to do something right? When are you going to make this game good again? You keep throwing new crap out at us and still not fixing the shut that doesn't work. Are we supposed to be distracted and forget that their aspects of this game that don't work and that overall game play is boring and succks when you get to the SFC? I understand that you are in business to make money. Profit is good but so is a good product. I know that you will make money whether or not you have a good product but take some pride in your job as a game developer and make a game that is worth playing as sell as makingngou money. As the saying goes, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Think about it.

> *Originally posted by **[Haze01](/forums/727066/topics/1780786?page=6#12961333)**:* > I assume the only real option for most SFC players will be to try an armed deck with legendary Peter, epic Leela, legendary Pantry Guns, and the assortment of epics available for those two. This is assuming you've kept our farmable epics, including Leelas. If you have the premium character Steve or the special mythic Hayley, that might help, but none of the armed items cross over to be used by Peter and Leela. You can't use any epic cards in this challenge once you get a little higher up. You do not have any chance of avoiding being one shot since the opponent does not sleep for one turn.

F2p here. Started Rank 11, now Rank 15 with 7500 trophies. 100% the enemy will combo on the 2nd turn. But I'm still winning, and you still progress if you lose. They should implement the scoring system here with Swole and Burger Boss.

> _Originally posted by **[GrzegorzK126](/forums/726779/topics/1780786?page=6#12962106):**_ > > _Originally posted by **[Sykojoe](/forums/726779/topics/1780786?page=6#12961464):**_ > > > *Originally posted by **[GrzegorzK126](/forums/727066/topics/1780786?page=6#12961426)**:* > > > > _Originally posted by **[1Platdiamond1](/forums/726779/topics/1780786?page=4#12961071):**_ > > > > > _Originally posted by **[GrzegorzK126](/forums/726779/topics/1780786?page=4#12961053):**_ > > > > > I wonder how people got 21000 points on start? I manage to score 4000 > > > > > > > > The higher in arena you are the more pts you get per win in the challenge. **But for our sake I think the devs should at least check the scoring just to make sure. All new challenges tend to have the wrong points** > > > > > > So I can't match with higher ranked players with gaining points. Thats f unfair. > > > > # the higher u rank in sfc the higher the lvl u start at for example i started at lvl 17 and it gives more points but i also ended at 15 so theres that > > So top50 players for sure will get reward card. Second 150 will fight for the rest and little people will get scrap mythic elements. And i'm not trying to cry on forum but start of event should give at least chance for all sfc members not only the choosen ones. The way the rewards are geared this time... the irony is that the ones who get a free mythic are the whales and top 100. Exactly the ones who would have bought this new mythic anyway.

> *Originally posted by **[Whynot29](/forums/727066/topics/1780786?page=6#12962315)**:* > > _Originally posted by **[GrzegorzK126](/forums/726779/topics/1780786?page=6#12962106):**_ > > > _Originally posted by **[Sykojoe](/forums/726779/topics/1780786?page=6#12961464):**_ > > > > *Originally posted by **[GrzegorzK126](/forums/727066/topics/1780786?page=6#12961426)**:* > > > > > _Originally posted by **[1Platdiamond1](/forums/726779/topics/1780786?page=4#12961071):**_ > > > > > > _Originally posted by **[GrzegorzK126](/forums/726779/topics/1780786?page=4#12961053):**_ > > > > > > I wonder how people got 21000 points on start? I manage to score 4000 > > > > > > > > > > The higher in arena you are the more pts you get per win in the challenge. **But for our sake I think the devs should at least check the scoring just to make sure. All new challenges tend to have the wrong points** > > > > > > > > So I can't match with higher ranked players with gaining points. Thats f unfair. > > > > > > # the higher u rank in sfc the higher the lvl u start at for example i started at lvl 17 and it gives more points but i also ended at 15 so theres that > > > > So top50 players for sure will get reward card. Second 150 will fight for the rest and little people will get scrap mythic elements. And i'm not trying to cry on forum but start of event should give at least chance for all sfc members not only the choosen ones. > > The way the rewards are geared this time... the irony is that the ones who get a free mythic are the whales and top 100. Exactly the ones who would have bought this new mythic anyway. Well, the top 100 aren't going to stop at lvl 1 Neil, they will push him to quad fused fairly quickly

For the second day in a row, my cards’ health & strength are showing as one thing and MUCH less when the cards actually combo. While I should be able to at least compete, my decks are getting annihilated. This isn’t a visual bug & it will affect rankings and who receives the “grand prize”. How is this going to be fixed?

> *Originally posted by **[LisaM435](/forums/727066/topics/1780786?page=6#12962521)**:* > For the second day in a row, my cards’ health & strength are showing as one thing and MUCH less when the cards actually combo. While I should be able to at least compete, my decks are getting annihilated. This isn’t a visual bug & it will affect rankings and who receives the “grand prize”. How is this going to be fixed? Hey Lisa, Only the combos that were announced as buffed by the Winter BGE will get that huge boost. Unfortunately, there was a bug that made all combos *preview* with buffed stats. When they were played, they didn't receive the buff, as intended. The displaying bug is now fixed. If anyone ran into significant progress delays, used items, or performed actions in their account they might want reversed, please [contact support](https://animationthrowdown.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new). At this time, I'm not sure how much of a request they can honor, but the way your individual situation was impacted will be thoroughly considered before you are given an answer. Thanks!

> _Originally posted by **[ModchiKopi](/forums/726779/topics/1780786?page=6#12962527):**_ > > *Originally posted by **[LisaM435](/forums/727066/topics/1780786?page=6#12962521)**:* > > For the second day in a row, my cards’ health & strength are showing as one thing and MUCH less when the cards actually combo. While I should be able to at least compete, my decks are getting annihilated. This isn’t a visual bug & it will affect rankings and who receives the “grand prize”. How is this going to be fixed? > > Hey Lisa, > > Only the combos that were announced as buffed by the Winter BGE will get that huge boost. Unfortunately, there was a bug that made all combos *preview* with buffed stats. When they were played, they didn't receive the buff, as intended. The displaying bug is now fixed. > > If anyone ran into significant progress delays, used items, or performed actions in their account they might want reversed, please [contact support](https://animationthrowdown.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new). At this time, I'm not sure how much of a request they can honor, but the way your individual situation was impacted will be thoroughly considered before you are given an answer. > > Thanks! Thank you Modchi, I will definitely contact support. I don’t believe that my CM’s are getting boosted. As always, you were helpful & knew what was going on. Thanks for all your help!

I have to say, I personally hate this new challenge. I get that it's new, and hopefully there will be changes made to future incarnations of it, but right now, unless you start with an OP combo, you're gonna get wrecked. And when you lose you get lower rewards unless you win consecutive battles. At this rate, I'll be lucky to hit the second milestone, with virtually no chance of hitting the third. With such low rewards, especially regarding Wonder Wharf tokens, it's almost a pointless waste of time.