> _Originally posted by **[drkarat](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=23#13063644):**_ > > *Originally posted by **[cromie3324](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=23#13061763)**:* > > > _Originally posted by **[yax51](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=23#13061159):**_ > > > > _Originally posted by **[cromie3324](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=22#13060943):**_ > > > > > _Originally posted by **[yax51](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=22#13060287):**_ > > > > > > _Originally posted by **[cromie3324](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=22#13060153):**_ > > > > > > > _Originally posted by **[yax51](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=22#13059599):**_ > > > > > > > **R125+** > > > > > > > **Range:**e65+ > > > > > > > **Faction:** Angel/Dwarf > > > > > > > **Bloodline:** Dragon > > > > > > > **Artifact set:** Angel > > > > > > > S10,S3200, > > > > > > > C25,C340,C405,C520, > > > > > > > D1,D175,D245,D435,D590, > > > > > > > E400,E410, > > > > > > > A50,A120,A495, > > > > > > > W225,W560,W1375 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Found this one works better for getting past e70 than the fairyline faceless build. It's the same dragonlne angels from the R116 - R124 builds. > > > > > > > Able to unlock Archon Quest. > > > > > > > > > > > > How fast is it though? Fairyline faceless, with MS hitting farms with the FC based boost, takes only a few hours to get to e70. I highly doubt dragonline angels can get to e70 faster, since even dragonline fairies can get to e70 with masks. And dragonline fairies are better than dragonline angels. > > > > > > > > > > I'm at ~22 hours and went from 1e71 to 2e72. > > > > > It may not be faster, I'll concede that. But it certainly helps with Uniformity and able to get the Archon Quest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uni buffs aren't needed from R126-R137ish. Elites are just that good. > > > > > > > > > Perhaps, but every little bit helps > > > > Not really, since elfline faceless and fairyline faceless just shoot up through the R faster than a decent uni buff would take > > I've found there to be a gap from roughly e55-e65 where faceless struggles and other factions are better. I use druid for the early part of that, but the e60-e70 part is a bit lackluster no matter what I try. I got stuck at e58 on R127. Dragonline angels jumped from e58 to e71 in about a day. The only buffing I did was S400.

> *Originally posted by **[yax51](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=24#13070484)**:* > > _Originally posted by **[drkarat](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=23#13063644):**_ > > > *Originally posted by **[cromie3324](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=23#13061763)**:* > > > > _Originally posted by **[yax51](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=23#13061159):**_ > > > > > _Originally posted by **[cromie3324](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=22#13060943):**_ > > > > > > _Originally posted by **[yax51](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=22#13060287):**_ > > > > > > > _Originally posted by **[cromie3324](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=22#13060153):**_ > > > > > > > > _Originally posted by **[yax51](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=22#13059599):**_ > > > > > > > > **R125+** > > > > > > > > **Range:**e65+ > > > > > > > > **Faction:** Angel/Dwarf > > > > > > > > **Bloodline:** Dragon > > > > > > > > **Artifact set:** Angel > > > > > > > > S10,S3200, > > > > > > > > C25,C340,C405,C520, > > > > > > > > D1,D175,D245,D435,D590, > > > > > > > > E400,E410, > > > > > > > > A50,A120,A495, > > > > > > > > W225,W560,W1375 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Found this one works better for getting past e70 than the fairyline faceless build. It's the same dragonlne angels from the R116 - R124 builds. > > > > > > > > Able to unlock Archon Quest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How fast is it though? Fairyline faceless, with MS hitting farms with the FC based boost, takes only a few hours to get to e70. I highly doubt dragonline angels can get to e70 faster, since even dragonline fairies can get to e70 with masks. And dragonline fairies are better than dragonline angels. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm at ~22 hours and went from 1e71 to 2e72. > > > > > > It may not be faster, I'll concede that. But it certainly helps with Uniformity and able to get the Archon Quest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uni buffs aren't needed from R126-R137ish. Elites are just that good. > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps, but every little bit helps > > > > > > Not really, since elfline faceless and fairyline faceless just shoot up through the R faster than a decent uni buff would take > > > > I've found there to be a gap from roughly e55-e65 where faceless struggles and other factions are better. I use druid for the early part of that, but the e60-e70 part is a bit lackluster no matter what I try. > > I got stuck at e58 on R127. > Dragonline angels jumped from e58 to e71 in about a day. The only buffing I did was S400. I'm currently around e60 and also pretty much stuck. Running the faceless elfline build I x5-x10 my gems in about a day, so not fast at all. What was the build you used for Dragonline Angels? Going to try that myself, see if it works better for me

R 128 now. I start with Elfline faceless or any similar till 1e53 gems. (few minutes W275 and FC 12 buffs) After Faceless Titans (basically GB11 ~2h) Titan/Faceless Facelessline druid set S400,C340,D245,E1425,A120,W1375 Now i make 2h uniformity (like 400%). And start with Dwarfline(33) druids dragon set S1450,S3200,C300,C340,C1300,D245,D275,D1125,E260,E1225,E1425,A250,A251,A375,A1200,A1500,W180,W350,W1400 1e53 - 1e66(1e68) Abdicate every ~ x10(30) gems 1h-3h runs. YOU NEED TO EXCAVATE TO SET UP. After 1e60 i excavate to max , and free reset before abdication. 3-5 resets are enough. After few minutes setup can just leave it and check every 30min-2h. You can use Fairyline Maker-Druids (1e66 - 1e68) if SF:FC or to w8 more till you got Makers. Can be faster than upper build if SF:FC Druid/Dragon/Makers Fairyline(36) Fairyset S3200,C340,D245,E1425,A3400,W1375 When i go to sleep i shut down my PC and leave Fairy and next night undead to make more uniformity. 2 nights each 10h will result in ~1100%. buff. At 1e68 , SS400 buff with dragonline goblin dwarf set. S400, D245,C340,E135,A120,W205. 3-5h buff (~200-230k). W275 buff and FC12 buff. And now standart fairyline faceless fairy set till R gems. Take 6-12 h. till R Total take 3-5 days. Depen on how much afk you are. Got only 450% C400, no gifts. Faceless 36, elf 36, dwarf 33, other lineages at 30. Is not best but a most of time just need to set up and let it go.

> _Originally posted by **[dudeim](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=24#13070515):**_ > > *Originally posted by **[yax51](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=24#13070484)**:* > > > _Originally posted by **[drkarat](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=23#13063644):**_ > > > > *Originally posted by **[cromie3324](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=23#13061763)**:* > > > > > _Originally posted by **[yax51](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=23#13061159):**_ > > > > > > _Originally posted by **[cromie3324](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=22#13060943):**_ > > > > > > > _Originally posted by **[yax51](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=22#13060287):**_ > > > > > > > > _Originally posted by **[cromie3324](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=22#13060153):**_ > > > > > > > > > _Originally posted by **[yax51](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=22#13059599):**_ > > > > > > > > > **R125+** > > > > > > > > > **Range:**e65+ > > > > > > > > > **Faction:** Angel/Dwarf > > > > > > > > > **Bloodline:** Dragon > > > > > > > > > **Artifact set:** Angel > > > > > > > > > S10,S3200, > > > > > > > > > C25,C340,C405,C520, > > > > > > > > > D1,D175,D245,D435,D590, > > > > > > > > > E400,E410, > > > > > > > > > A50,A120,A495, > > > > > > > > > W225,W560,W1375 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Found this one works better for getting past e70 than the fairyline faceless build. It's the same dragonlne angels from the R116 - R124 builds. > > > > > > > > > Able to unlock Archon Quest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How fast is it though? Fairyline faceless, with MS hitting farms with the FC based boost, takes only a few hours to get to e70. I highly doubt dragonline angels can get to e70 faster, since even dragonline fairies can get to e70 with masks. And dragonline fairies are better than dragonline angels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm at ~22 hours and went from 1e71 to 2e72. > > > > > > > It may not be faster, I'll concede that. But it certainly helps with Uniformity and able to get the Archon Quest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uni buffs aren't needed from R126-R137ish. Elites are just that good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps, but every little bit helps > > > > > > > > Not really, since elfline faceless and fairyline faceless just shoot up through the R faster than a decent uni buff would take > > > > > > I've found there to be a gap from roughly e55-e65 where faceless struggles and other factions are better. I use druid for the early part of that, but the e60-e70 part is a bit lackluster no matter what I try. > > > > I got stuck at e58 on R127. > > Dragonline angels jumped from e58 to e71 in about a day. The only buffing I did was S400. > > I'm currently around e60 and also pretty much stuck. Running the faceless elfline build I x5-x10 my gems in about a day, so not fast at all. > What was the build you used for Dragonline Angels? Going to try that myself, see if it works better for me The one on the R116-R125 builds. Goofs got it on his site

> *Originally posted by **[ManDude33](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=23#13066524)**:* > > Notes should probably be changed a bit to take Fairy AH into account. If you have Fairy AH then you should use A250+E135. Fairy AH alone will be almost 10x more assistants. > > Also, dragon L30 is definitely not "required." I'd say only fairy 30 is. Lineage level 30 implies that you have the AH. With that said, you can understand why dragon lineage 30 is also required.

Fairyline Undead (Lineage pusher build) Author: multiple Range: ~e95+ Faction: Undead/Drow/Archon Bloodline: Fairy Artifact: Undead S225,S435,**S3200**, **C400**, D25,**D330**,D560, E10,**E135**,E495, A1,**A120**,A175,A410,A590, W50,**W205**,W405,W520 Notes: AR5 and AR8 buffing required. (1-2 days AR5 recommended). Scales better online but offline is still benifical. -------------------------- Test L50 Fairyline completed in 19 (+10) days, Gobline(D200) took 24 days. I had 95%+ online time. 1.04e101, A5 1441%(2d), A8 3667%(4d2h50m), No Gifts, Ruby +25% Max Mana +6% Assistants 5d 13h - 1.055e17 Ass, 1.661e9 A120, 2.616e8 Un11, ~~4102% A400~~, 2.802e11 Max Mana, 2.829e20 Mana Regen, 1.768e13 W275, 1.38e7 Undead Set, 173% Precog, 8.695e196 prod, 3.307e62 FC L49 - 12d 11h - 3.453e17 Ass, 4.799e9 A120, 7.973e8 Un11, ~~6667% A400~~, 8.855e11 Max Mana, 1.862e21 Mana Regen, 4.304e13 W275, 1.552e7 Undead Set, 188% Precog, ~3e200 prod, 2.093e64 FC L50 - 19d 11h - 6.938e17 Ass, 8.935e9 A120, 1.487e9 Un11, ~~8709% A400~~, 1.688e12 Max Mana, 5.499e21 Mana Regen, 7.263e13 W275, 1.657e7 Undead Set, 197% Precog, 1.462e202(1.321e97) prod, 2.463e65 FC --------------------- Setup -2 days per faction = 18 days (optimising Arc 8 takes a little planning) -6 days = 12 days - free Faceless(production), Undead(L50), Goblin(I went for a S400) -2 days = 10days - Uniformity + an overnight Titan FC12 run - other stuff I've included the goblin S400 in this, as "Spell Grinder" is a natural thing to go for, and you might as well get it before L50. Also the Demon builds (main competition) would be getting a large S400 also.

> *Originally posted by **[KonKeysersoze](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=24#13070749)**:* > L50 Fairyline completed in 19 (+10) days, Gobline(D200) took 24 days. I had 95%+ online time. What do you mean by 19 (+10) days? Because if the build needs 10 days of buffing to be 5 days shorter than fairyline then it wouldnt be better.

> *Originally posted by **[necrodoom](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=24#13070812)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[KonKeysersoze](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=24#13070749)**:* > > L50 Fairyline completed in 19 (+10) days, Gobline(D200) took 24 days. I had 95%+ online time. > > What do you mean by 19 (+10) days? Because if the build needs 10 days of buffing to be 5 days shorter than fairyline then it wouldnt be better. > > He made a similar [post](https://www.kongregate.com/forums/8945-realm-grinder/topics/1779343-lineages-l50-spell-grinder-and-mana-falls?page=12#posts-13064645) about his GBline run and included the buildup there too, for a total of 24(+10) days.

> *Originally posted by **[necrodoom](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=24#13070812)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[KonKeysersoze](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=24#13070749)**:* > > L50 Fairyline completed in 19 (+10) days, Gobline(D200) took 24 days. I had 95%+ online time. > > What do you mean by 19 (+10) days? Because if the build needs 10 days of buffing to be 5 days shorter than fairyline then it wouldnt be better. > > Both builds are based on the same buildup. The run took 19 days. But requires a decent AR5 and AR8 buff. I picked a 2 day AR5 setup which cost about +10 days net. A 1 day AR5 setup would be about 5 days net. Angel, Fairy, Elf, Titan, Druid, Demon require 2 days = 12 days net Faceless (production), Undead (L50), and Goblin(S400 (I think most would go for this)), +0 days = 12 days net -2 days for standard buffs to get to ~e100, like uniformity, FC12 etc., -2 days = 10 days net

> *Originally posted by **[Marcell1992](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=24#13070693)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[ManDude33](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=23#13066524)**:* > > > > Notes should probably be changed a bit to take Fairy AH into account. If you have Fairy AH then you should use A250+E135. Fairy AH alone will be almost 10x more assistants. > > > > Also, dragon L30 is definitely not "required." I'd say only fairy 30 is. > > Lineage level 30 implies that you have the AH. With that said, you can understand why dragon lineage 30 is also required. From a glance, it looks as though it's technically not required to use the build if you're willing to babysit DB for 2xBlue but losing 80% or so of your mana regen (3xBlue & S3200) is going to be a major blow to production. I would say it seems like the requirement exists in order to outperform Dragonline Angels at that gem range.

> *Originally posted by **[KonKeysersoze](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=24#13070848)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[necrodoom](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=24#13070812)**:* > > > *Originally posted by **[KonKeysersoze](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=24#13070749)**:* > > > L50 Fairyline completed in 19 (+10) days, Gobline(D200) took 24 days. I had 95%+ online time. > > > > What do you mean by 19 (+10) days? Because if the build needs 10 days of buffing to be 5 days shorter than fairyline then it wouldnt be better. > > > > > > Both builds are based on the same buildup. The run took 19 days. But requires a decent AR5 and AR8 buff. > I picked a 2 day AR5 setup which cost about +10 days net. A 1 day AR5 setup would be about 5 days net. > > Angel, Fairy, Elf, Titan, Druid, Demon require 2 days = 12 days net > Faceless (production), Undead (L50), and Goblin(S400 (I think most would go for this)), +0 days = 12 days net > -2 days for standard buffs to get to ~e100, like uniformity, FC12 etc., -2 days = 10 days net Will check and update during weekend, thanks!

reporting on how i lvl R128+. might help with the gap between e55-65 [e0-52]**Elfline Faceless** * *build from frontpage* * ~1-2h [e52, GB11]**Titan faceline druidfact** * *S400, C400, D245, E1325, A120, W1375* * ~1-2h [e52-60]**Druid fairyline fairyfact** * *S3200, C340, D245, E1425, A250, W180* * ~12h; 3-5 runs * requires 10k excavation per run (reset before every run) * dragon breath: Blue, Green [e60-65]**Fairy dragline fairyfact** * *S3200, C340, D245, E135, A250, W1375* * ~1-2d; 2-4 runs * beneficial: AotC max, FA11 max, Sunforce:fc, fairychant max [e65+]**Fairyline Faceless** * *build from frontpage*

After the rework of Titan Set Artifact requirements the existing build (ref. G00F) does no longer work as intended. Has anyone been able to tinker out something that would work? I've made a couple of tries but nothing that seems to have significant effect. This also hampers my growth as I need the helmet for 1e46 Dragonline Titan build.

What is the math again for the benefits of a250 for titan? Searching "a250 titan" is such a pain. I'm trying to figure out if 580k assistants with 425k assistants already is better than a250.

> *Originally posted by **[Ripthru](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=24#13072828)**:* > After the rework of Titan Set Artifact requirements the existing build (ref. G00F) does no longer work as intended. Has anyone been able to tinker out something that would work? I've made a couple of tries but nothing that seems to have significant effect. This also hampers my growth as I need the helmet for 1e46 Dragonline Titan build. Druid set was significantly buffed, so run that. Set up time will be longer unfortunately.

> *Originally posted by **[Marcell1992](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=24#13072994)**:* > What is the math again for the benefits of a250 for titan? Searching "a250 titan" is such a pain. I'm trying to figure out if 580k assistants with 425k assistants already is better than a250. reasonably sure the base gem bonus is 5%, reincarnation power adds 50% at R125 (with Prismatic Breath) so the production multiplier of A250 would be (1.55+A250/100)/1.55, which is around x4.4. I don't think titan has any other sources off additive gem bonus (I doub't you have a significant amount from rubies, for example). I'd be comparing it to the multipllier (assistants/(assistants-A120)) in a A120 run, even if that's slightly inaccurate (there are way more sources of additive assistants, so comparing a single source is too much hassle for me). Of course losing assistants also loses you FC gain, so your setup becomes longer, so straight up comparing production multipliers isn't the final answer

> *Originally posted by **[Ripthru](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=24#13072828)**:* > After the rework of Titan Set Artifact requirements the existing build (ref. G00F) does no longer work as intended. Has anyone been able to tinker out something that would work? I've made a couple of tries but nothing that seems to have significant effect. This also hampers my growth as I need the helmet for 1e46 Dragonline Titan build. The build was already redone for the rework, and the artifact is still easier than demon or fairy artifacts.

Yeah, I was going at it all wrong. Got it at R113 2e46, after getting SS7, with av variation on the Dragonline Titan build running Druid set and e1325, with a SV of 0.000056.

> *Originally posted by **[Torisen](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=24#13078435)**:* > Hi folks, > > I apologize, but I cannot quite interpret the intended meaning on the second stone fragment builds (on the front page & the NAW). Can someone please clarify? Second Stone Fragment (the Druid one) Clue: Stone to stone, buildings to buildings. Find Chance scales linearly with the number of buildings you own that abdication. See your "this game" building count stat. The megathread lists a Fairyline Druid build and a Goblinline Druid build. Fairyline has stronger production and Goblinline has cheaper buildings. So if you need more buildings, then use Goblinline. If you don't need more buildings, then use Fairyline. > My situation: I am looking for whatever will be most efficient to get a high spell count. Since I'm at 1e70 gems and just did a free reset I'm pretty sure I can get the excavations I need, but which one will generate 1e12 tax collections faster? Third Stone Fragment (the Goblin one) Clue: Might be collected with taxes. Find Chance scales as (log(spellcasts))^3. See your "this game" spellcasts stat. Dragonline Goblin is the standard Goblin build for spellcasts. Remember to use E290 if you need to afford expensive excavations.

Sorry, I deleted my post because I realized I was looking at the druids instead of the goblins. I still didn't know how to interpret the notes, but that question was not relevant for my situation... then you replied in the meantime.

No problem. Hopefully I answered both of your questions.

> *Originally posted by **[OldYouth](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=24#13078441)**:* > No problem. Hopefully I answered both of your questions. Very helpful as always, thank you. Hey, would you think 3200 or 400 with djinn mask? 1e130 coins might be a little ambitious for this build. edit: yes, apparently it can reach 1e130 coins, and still can mana waste with S400 & the mask.

> *Originally posted by **[yax51](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=24#13070484)**:* > > _Originally posted by **[drkarat](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=23#13063644):**_ > > > *Originally posted by **[cromie3324](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=23#13061763)**:* > > > > _Originally posted by **[yax51](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=23#13061159):**_ > > > > > _Originally posted by **[cromie3324](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=22#13060943):**_ > > > > > > _Originally posted by **[yax51](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=22#13060287):**_ > > > > > > > _Originally posted by **[cromie3324](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=22#13060153):**_ > > > > > > > > _Originally posted by **[yax51](/forums/8945/topics/1787989?page=22#13059599):**_ > > > > > > > > **R125+** > > > > > > > > **Range:**e65+ > > > > > > > > **Faction:** Angel/Dwarf > > > > > > > > **Bloodline:** Dragon > > > > > > > > **Artifact set:** Angel > > > > > > > > S10,S3200, > > > > > > > > C25,C340,C405,C520, > > > > > > > > D1,D175,D245,D435,D590, > > > > > > > > E400,E410, > > > > > > > > A50,A120,A495, > > > > > > > > W225,W560,W1375 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Found this one works better for getting past e70 than the fairyline faceless build. It's the same dragonlne angels from the R116 - R124 builds. > > > > > > > > Able to unlock Archon Quest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How fast is it though? Fairyline faceless, with MS hitting farms with the FC based boost, takes only a few hours to get to e70. I highly doubt dragonline angels can get to e70 faster, since even dragonline fairies can get to e70 with masks. And dragonline fairies are better than dragonline angels. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm at ~22 hours and went from 1e71 to 2e72. > > > > > > It may not be faster, I'll concede that. But it certainly helps with Uniformity and able to get the Archon Quest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uni buffs aren't needed from R126-R137ish. Elites are just that good. > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps, but every little bit helps > > > > > > Not really, since elfline faceless and fairyline faceless just shoot up through the R faster than a decent uni buff would take > > > > I've found there to be a gap from roughly e55-e65 where faceless struggles and other factions are better. I use druid for the early part of that, but the e60-e70 part is a bit lackluster no matter what I try. > > I got stuck at e58 on R127. > Dragonline angels jumped from e58 to e71 in about a day. The only buffing I did was S400. Is there some step I'm missing? I'm trying this at R126 with 5e57 gems, S400 at 117k, and it's gotten nowhere in 12 hours. I can't even afford Temporal Flux 2 - I'm down at 4e21 faction coins and 1e119 emerald coins. Haven't even reached gem breakeven point (abdicate is at 1e56). The build I'm using is the one from G00F's R116Plus page.