> *Originally posted by **[slammer303](/forums/8945/topics/517416?page=1#posts-9490932):*** > > How many resets have u done with them and how long was your goblin run to set up for this production? 574 resets, 2118% heritage and a 40d run before them. (of which 25 days were a timeskips.) And it wasn’t a goblin run, the building bonus is for baraly 15k total buildings.

Dang just imagine if your building multiplier would have been insane as well. How much did you multiply your gems by?

uhm, i used the insta add gems by kong coins 3x and it got me a 100x multiplier in 3 days. (at VERY high gem amounts.)

> *Originally posted by **[vampirofdead](/forums/8945/topics/517416?page=1#posts-9490845):*** > > and yet set up faceless beat them all. > > Deep memory: 6882% > Gold Synthesis: 1250% > Overgrowth: 1762% > Hive Mind: 19218% > > thats a 68.2×12.5×17.62×192.18= 2.886.745,39 without any spells > > avaraging 360% from Brainwave, 50x flat multiplier from gem grinder and a 2913% from CTA > > that makes: > > 2.886.745,39×3.6×50×29.13= 15.136.360.772,68 multiplier. > > If you factor in the heritages it gets boosted even further. > > Do you still think that faceless aren’t worth it? 40 days of a prior run, 575 times allied with faceless, 15088 max buildings, 1000 alchemist labs. Definitely late game.

That is hands down the best way to make gems if you are willing to spend a few dollars and that heritage bonus is pretty awesome, my heritage bonus is only 600% and I thought mine was good until now. I would still say that on a gems per day basis with no money spent titans are better even after hearing of your awesome success story though.

> *Originally posted by **[slammer303](/forums/8945/topics/517416?page=1#posts-9490688):*** > > Unless anyone has better math then they better not bother arguing that skipping buildings is worth it. But 1806 is a 21% increase of 1492, not a 19% increase. Please note that you’re dealing with additions, not multiplications, so you need to add 100% to each. So +1806% is x19.06, 1492% is x15.92.

> *Originally posted by **[vampirofdead](/forums/8945/topics/517416?page=1#posts-9490845):*** > > and yet set up faceless beat them all. > > Deep memory: 6882% > Gold Synthesis: 1250% > Overgrowth: 1762% > Hive Mind: 19218% > > thats a 68.2×12.5×17.62×192.18= 2.886.745,39 without any spells > > avaraging 360% from Brainwave, 50x flat multiplier from gem grinder and a 2913% from CTA > > that makes: > > 2.886.745,39×3.6×50×29.13= 15.136.360.772,68 multiplier. > > If you factor in the heritages it gets boosted even further. > > Do you still think that faceless aren’t worth it? Hm. I dunno, let’s compare. Colossal Forge x9.43 Charged Clicks x3.7 Titan Drill (x2501/18462) x1.135 (The division is the penalty for not being Ancient Pyramids, it’s admittedly pretty rough) Cyclopean Strength x37.045 Heavy Coins ~x2.6 (Consistent at 27 clicks/second AFK) Titan Obelisk x15.6 x59502.720690582 Colossal Forge x9.43 Charged Clicks x3.7 Titan Sized Walls (x251/600) x1.418333… Cyclopean Strength x37.045 Heavy Coins ~x2.6 Titan Obelisk x15.6 x74356.556986321999999999999999998 Or very, very roughly, x133,858 total production. Oversized Legends x9.01 (Assistants only) Charged Structures x2 Lightning Strike 3755 × 9.1% – x341.36… Call to Arms x22.73 x2,077,260,770 average spell multiplier. Or, because all’s fair in love and theorycraft, if you do away with fair, and remove any non-Monastery strike result with absurdly dedicated Exporting, we can pretend that Monasteries are Titans only production. So: 3755 × 74356 × 2 x 22.73 = x12,692,740,218.8 Note that this is with my building counts, and I’m pretty sure you crush me in those. So given your thousand Alchemist Labs, I’d expect around two hundred more of each building, but let’s assume 900 Pyramids, 1,000 Halls of Legend, 950 Strongholds, and 1,050 Blacksmiths. That’s: x11.5, x3.7, x45, x19, x1.41, x2.6 = x133,369.9965 purely monastic total production. And with spells, x~26 CtA and x4750 LS, x2 Or, very roughly, x32,942,143,000 production while using import/export to target exclusively Monasteries, or around 20% of that while purely AFK autocasting. I shan’t say whether either faceless or dedicated Titan save scumming is worth it, but considering this could be achieved on a per game basis, while Faceless would require a forty day set up each game, the mechanically optimal choice would be Titans, assuming you’re hands on about it.