stealthsilent
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A few days ago, I came up on an unusual conversation that turned into something very weird...
Argothin: Long ass story, I'll give you the very short version.
stealthsilent: Well my version is pretty long too.
stealthsilent: I have the time.
Argothin: I'm not the first one to use it, the name is 817 years old.
stealthsilent: Hmm, that differs from my name. I am the only one in the world who uses this name.
stealthsilent: I'm probably sure of.
stealthsilent: So, tell me of how you used this name.
masmer1: how many thinks airsoft is cool ?
Argothin: I!
stealthsilent: I use paintball.
masmer1: paintball is cool to
Argothin: I use this name as a screen name almost everywhere, the first to use this name gave me permission.
stealthsilent: Hmm, that is a shorter version lol.
markfive05: are you guys really arguing over screen names?
stealthsilent: Chatting, not arguing.
Argothin: Not arguing, just explaining.
stealthsilent: Yes.
stealthsilent: Would you like to hear my story?
stealthsilent: Because it is very long.
Argothin: Sure, why not.
stealthsilent: Ok.
stealthsilent: It all began before I could even remember.
stealthsilent: I thought up of the name stealth.
stealthsilent: Which was a pretty common name.
stealthsilent: Through all my games, I started changing the name up as the name "stealth" was taken.
stealthsilent: The oldest change I remember was when I played runescape.
stealthsilent: I used the name "burnstealth."
stealthsilent: It suited me well for awhile... after I got bored of runescape, I moved on to counter strike source.
stealthsilent: There I changed my name back to Stealth, since usernames can be used multiple times.
stealthsilent: On my travels, I happend upon a man named "silent," Silent was part of my clan, or team, as you would like to call it.
stealthsilent: I played with him for a couple of years or so.
stealthsilent: A while after Silent left the clan, I was still using the username "Stealth."
stealthsilent: One day for some reason, I was playing a game that required more than 7 letters for a username.
stealthsilent: So I thought and thought until I remembered Silent... then the rest is history.
stealthsilent: I did my best to narrarate the story.
stealthsilent: Sooo there we go.
stealthsilent: Any questions?
Argothin: Nope, you explained pretty well.
Argothin: Mines a bit.... odd, so I'll keep the details to myself.
stealthsilent: By odd, you mean?
Argothin: I mean most don't believe me, and I can't expect them to with what we are taught these days.
stealthsilent: Well it won't hurt to tell me the story, will it?
stealthsilent: Anyone else willing to tell a story, it doesn't have to be about usernames or anything, just a happening in your lives or anything you feel like telling.
Argothin: I'll tell you part of it. I don't feel like recalling the whole thing tonight.
stealthsilent: Sure, that's alright.
Argothin: Argothin means "The Betrayer", the first person to use this name bestowed upon himself when he was 19 years old.
Argothin: His mind had split into two peices due to trauma, the one that chose to hide had no name until he named himself.
Argothin: The other, who chose to be their outer image was named Maune Crows.
Argothin: the boy that became Argothin and Maune Crows was born October 23rd, 1193.
Argothin: Not sure I want to explain anymore.
stealthsilent: No I am loving this story.
Argothin: But I'll answer some questions.
stealthsilent: It sings to me, please go on.
Argothin: Let's just say they adon't appreciate me telling the whole story most of the time.
stealthsilent: Well I'll appreciate it, I love it already.
markfive05: who's "they"? Maune Crows and Argothin?
stealthsilent: It is way better than my story.
Argothin: Yes, mark.
stealthsilent: Why are they here?
markfive05: seriously?
Argothin: this is the part people disbelieve.
stealthsilent: They are ghosts.
stealthsilent: Spectors.
Argothin: They were.
Argothin: Now they take the form of my two other minds.
stealthsilent: How do you know they dislike you telling the story?
Argothin: Multiple personalities, it's called now.
stealthsilent: True it is called that.
markfive05: So you've been diagnosed with Multiple personality disorder then?
Argothin: No, they don't actually believe me either haha.
stealthsilent: They, meaning?
stealthsilent: The doctors.
markfive05: lmao, now that is actually funny
Argothin: Doctors and the like.
Argothin: Ironic humor I suppose.
stealthsilent: Well, I'm getting to love this story.
stealthsilent: What do the doctors say about this?
stealthsilent: Why don't they believe you?
Argothin: They said I should not have so many imaginary friends.
stealthsilent: Wait up, your ruining the story
stealthsilent: Did they test you?
Argothin: That would be me, I use his name sometimes, it sounds more human.
Argothin: They didn't bother, I was 5
stealthsilent: I see
stealthsilent: In what language does argothin mean the betrayer?
Argothin: He made it mean 'the betrayer' by his actions.
stealthsilent: Aaa
Argothin: First it was just a name.
markfive05: does he betray you?
Argothin: No, I give him no reason to.
Argothin: Also, he needs me for a few things.
stealthsilent: Please continue this story. I would really appreciate it, well only if you want to.
Argothin: I'll tell you what I can.
markfive05: are you the only one that can communicate with these other two personalities?
Argothin: But I prefer to answer questions.
stealthsilent: Mark, lets continue questioning after the story.
markfive05: he just said he prefers questions
stealthsilent: I prefer a storyline, it appeals to me more.
Argothin: They can talk to others when they wish; I'll explain later, he wants the story heheh.
stealthsilent: Thank you.
Argothin: Where to start? hmm....
Argothin: The boy's name was lost when his mind split, he was left as the only survivor as a bandit raid.
Argothin: He traveled north to one of the few safe cities he knew, he had to find someplace to stay until he figured out who led the raid.
Argothin: When he was asked for a name by the gate guards, he said "I have no name.". The guards laughed and told him that they had to be able to call him something.
Argothin: He came up with the name Maune Crows, it was his father's middle name and mother's maiden name.
Argothin: He worked for a group of mercenaries to pay for his lodging and food, he ran simple errands and carried equipment.
Argothin: He soon learned how to use a sword and round shield by watching the mercenaries spar with each other.
Argothin: After a few years, they gave him his own equipment, and said they would be happy to have them fight alongside them.
Argothin: Like all members of the group, he took his own crest and honorific.
Argothin: He wore a deep blue crest with a black and silver dragon, he called himself Argothin.
Argothin: Though Maune would still deal with the social aspects of life, Argothin, the one who was once nameless, would be the one fighting.
Argothin: When the group had taken a contract to assault a trade caravan, neither Maune nor Argothin would stand for it.
Argothin: Argothin had mortally wounded 3 and killed 2 of the group before he had to flee himself.
Argothin: When the others who were waiting for the now dying soldiers to ambush the caravan found them lying on the ground, they asked what they could before the wounded died.
Argothin: When asked who did this, they simply replied "The betrayer, Argothin." before finally passing on.
Argothin: Soon, the name spread among mercenary groups and then to their employers.
Argothin: Despite what he had seen, he took up what work he could find, normally mercenary work and protection duty for nobles.
Argothin: He died when he was hired to protect a princess, Melody he calls her.
Argothin: He had been meeting with Melody quite often despite her family's wishes.
Argothin: Her father and sister came up with a plan to get them both killed.
Argothin: Melody was being sent as a diplomat to another king, but her father also tipped off some bandits to the route of the caravan carrying his daughter.
Argothin: When they passed through some of the thicker woods, they were ambushed and killed, despite Argothin's best efforts.
Argothin: That day was August 24th, 1215.
Argothin: That's their story.
markfive05: earlier did you say he was born in 1193?
stealthsilent: So that makes him 23
Argothin: yes.
markfive05: you think you are going to die when you turn 22/23?
Argothin: No mark, I do not.
stealthsilent: May I ask you how you know this?
Argothin: They told me their story when I was 12, they help me remember parts of it when I forget.
stealthsilent: And where does that put you Argothin, where does that put you now?
Argothin: What do you mean exactly?
stealthsilent: So they allowed you to use that name.
Argothin: Yes.
markfive05: do they use your body?
stealthsilent: And that was the name's origin
markfive05: as in take over your body
Argothin: When they need to.
stealthsilent: Need to?
markfive05: what do they need to do?
markfive05: they are over 800 years old
Argothin: Only if I let them, and they're usually quite well at hiding it.
stealthsilent: Need to what.
stealthsilent: hiding what? Sorry if I'm a little slow.
Argothin: They are looking for Melody, she became something like them, spirits travelling this plane.
Argothin: Hiding the fact that it's not me walking around.
stealthsilent: This story is just too good to be true...
markfive05: usually people with multiple personality disorder don't have control of when their alters take control of their body and they act completely different, going as far as even dressing and talking differently than the main personality
stealthsilent: Correct.
Argothin: They do that sometimes, but they try not to.
Argothin: If it makes me look unstable it would get in the way of what they are trying to do.
markfive05: why you?
stealthsilent: Yes... why you?
stealthsilent: Then again... why all of us?
Argothin: I was the only one they found that let them in.
Tripiticus: let them in?
markfive05: Trip, you missed out on a lot
stealthsilent: Yes, that's pretty straightforward.
Tripiticus: i saw the story...thought it was a fabrication
stealthsilent: Well that's what we are trying to find out now.
Tripiticus: just that now i think it is a rouse
Argothin: They were wandering spirits; they needed a physical body so they could better search for Melody.
Argothin: Most people do Trip.
stealthsilent: True.
stealthsilent: Ask most people about ghosts, tell me what you get.
Argothin: Which is why I'm usually opposed to telling.
Tripiticus: history shows that hosts (fact or fiction regardless) state that they did not invite the offending spirit in
Argothin: They asked, they aren't malicious spirits.
Tripiticus: not to try and invalidate your statement Argo...just a trend
Argothin: Not all spirits are malicious, just like not all people are malicious.
stealthsilent: True.
Argothin: Most people do not want to believe that there are good spirits, or they simply don't want to help them.
Tripiticus: my problem is in the subtly of belief, that there is a spirit that endures
markfive05: so Agro, you said that Maune Crows was the other half of the boys mind, the "outer image"
Argothin: Yes.
Tripiticus: argo i disagree though, most people want to believe
Argothin: He did the talking, to put it simply.
Argothin: I wish it proved to be that way Trip.
Argothin: Most seem to just want people to THINK they are open minded about it.
markfive05: the way I interpreted the story was that Agrothin was dominant in the boy's mind and there really was no Maune Crows
Tripiticus: so all the christians (case in point, not a religious side step) that believe in the holy ghost...
Tripiticus: or supposedly believe
Argothin: Argothin was more powerful, but he was no good with people.
Argothin: He let Maune be their face because he was not willing to.
markfive05: right, but I felt as if that story was all about Argothin, and not about Maune at all
Argothin: Maune handled the day-to-day life and talking with nobles and employers.
markfive05: It doesn't sound like maune is a killer, while Argo was
Argothin: that's correct.
Tripiticus: where were they geographically located?
Argothin: England is all they'll tell me.
markfive05: so why would Maune go along with Argo's plan to be a killing a machine, a mercenary?
Tripiticus: interesting...what did they call it during their time?
Argothin: It was the only thing they knew, and it allowed them to save people, they couldn't save the ones they knew.
Argothin: They saw their 'job' as a way to get revenge and to prevent the destruction they witnessed.
Argothin: As far as I know they called it England. Their memory is a bit faded on some subjects.
markfive05: mercenaries didn't save people, they killed people. They did the job that normal people don't want to do. Granted that would alleviate their need to kill people
Tripiticus: were they normans?
Argothin: I don't know Trip.
Argothin: They preferred protection and escort.
markfive05: and that brings me to something else that struck me as odd
Tripiticus: sorry don’t mean to be too nosy...just curious
Argothin: It's ok.
markfive05: why would nobles want someone to protect them that was nicknamed, "The Betrayer"?
Argothin: Because of who he betrayed.
markfive05: he betrayed his fellow companions
Argothin: He betrayed those who were going to ambush and destroy a trade caravan, remember?
markfive05: if he was a true mercenary then he didn't care where the money came from
Argothin: He was a sword-for-hire, but he did care.
markfive05: opposing trade caravans could hire mercs to kill off the other business
markfive05: so why kill all his companions? he could of just walked away
Argothin: He saw it as saving those who did not deserve to die.
markfive05: they might of deserved to die, they could of been a slave trade
Argothin: It wasn't, it was mostly food and trade goods, he was close enough to see that.
markfive05: they still could of been evil men, stealing from poor farmers and selling at high prices
Tripiticus: argothin at least knows about the magna carta, right?
Argothin: They could have been, but why send mercs to kill them?
markfive05: because they were armed?
Argothin: They would have been sent to rob them if that were the case.
markfive05: rob them and not kill them?
markfive05: rob them and let them go on about their way to do the same thing?
Argothin: They weren't even told to retrieve the goods, just kill the men.
markfive05: some town that was hit by these traders probably scoured up enough money to take these traders out
markfive05: and then they were going to get their goods back
Argothin: The contract came from a noble.
Argothin: Someone who didn't even buy from this caravan.
markfive05: maybe the noble didn’t have a powerful enough army to defeat them
markfive05: or maybe one of the traders slept with the noble's wife
Argothin: They were traders! They had four guards in chain mail, two traders, and a driver.
Argothin: He did not know the details, all he knew was that this seemed wrong.
Tripiticus: putting our ethical and moral values on someone from the 12th century...
Tripiticus: if this is all for fun, great
markfive05: so because something seemed wrong he killed all his companions, the only people he could trust (in battle you have to have a good trust with your comrades)
Tripiticus: but if anyone is buying this crap...
Argothin: Bite me Trip, people like you are the reason I hate telling teir story,
Tripiticus: he doesn't even know where in england...the spirits call the land "england"
Argothin: He trusted them in battle, not as people.
Tripiticus: argo...it would be believable with a little detail
Tripiticus: but this is just pure bulls***
Tripiticus: you don’t have to prove it to me though
Argothin: I know I couldn't if I tried Trip.
Tripiticus: you could...detail does wonders
Argothin: I stopped trying to a long time ago.
markfive05: stealth, you still around?
Argothin: All I do now is tell what I know and let people believe what they want.
Tripiticus: why tell at all?
markfive05: stealth was asking about it earlier
markfive05: I think he fell asleep
Argothin: Because I'd like someone to listen for once in a god damn change ok
Argothin: ?
Tripiticus: yes, but why?
Tripiticus: why do you want people to know?
Tripiticus: seems that such unusual events would best be relegated to your own mind
Argothin: I've lived with two other people in my head for almost 13 years, I'd like someone to just accept that it CAN be true.
markfive05: well Argothin, it's a nice story. With a little work here and there you could probably write a short story/novel. But I believe your doctors and family, you probably don't have multiple personality disorder. And since I'm saying this over the…
markfive05: internet it must be true
Argothin: **** you, that's all I have to say now ok?
Argothin: I wish it were just a story some days.
markfive05: no serious, if you wrote it all out, fixed a couple plot holes, I would read it
Tripiticus: argo, my biggest hurdle to the believability of your story is that experience has taught me that nothing endures in permanent form...so your spirits are tough as a valid argument for my current world view
stealthsilent: I'm here.
Argothin: They aren't whole, a lot of their memory has been lost.
Argothin: If that's not what you mean by permanent then do explain.
Tripiticus: no...i cant even begin to explain how your ideas cant play into reality as i view it
markfive05: you need a better reason for why the King wanted to kill his daughter, I can see why the King would want to kill Argo, but not his daughter
Argothin: Explain what you mean by permanent.
Tripiticus: as an example (too long-winded to explain)
Tripiticus: suppose your spirits are reincarnated
Tripiticus: well then they are not themselves...they are something else
Tripiticus: and if they are something else...well then they are not them
Argothin: They did not come back, they never left.
Tripiticus: they never were
Argothin: Yep, you'll never believe me.
Tripiticus: your hand...not the same skin, blood, nails, nothing
Argothin: You're right, your reality does not have room for mine.
Tripiticus: in a second it all is exchanged...changed
Tripiticus: it is all flux
stealthsilent: I think it is possible...
Tripiticus: so to pretend that something ethereal is enduring is ridiculous
Tripiticus: so it is not an attack on you argo, no matter how it is construed
Tripiticus: or your ghosts for that matter
stealthsilent: Spirits.
Argothin: It is only ridiculous to those who have never seen it Trip, you obviously never have.
stealthsilent: Valid point.
Tripiticus: argo, you misunderstand..and i am sorry that i have offended you
Tripiticus: the idea of permanence is ridiculous
Tripiticus: to me...and perhaps only me
Argothin: I understand that you mean no offence.
Argothin: It just pisses me off that people are so blind and stubborn.
stealthsilent: In everything...
Tripiticus: Even if I saw it, it would be irrelevant.
Argothin: Ohhh! So you really are biggoted!
Tripiticus: ?
markfive05: biggoted?
Argothin: Or however you spell that word...
markfive05: how is he being racist?
Tripiticus: don't believe so
Argothin: Close minded to anything that doesn't fit in with your reality.
Tripiticus: no
Argothin: then for god's sake boy, prove me wrong.
Tripiticus: accepting to the idea that it does not alter immediate reality
Tripiticus: to believe and not believe are terms of like and dislike...
Argothin: They are not permanent by the way, they just fade slowly.
Tripiticus: ideas of pushing and pulling at reality
markfive05: well Argo there are tests to find out if you have multiple personality disorder
Tripiticus: DSM IV
Argothin: Pieces of them have been lost, memories, parts of their psyche, etc.
Tripiticus: and a qualified psychiatrist
markfive05: but as you said, those doctors said you didn't have it
Tripiticus: once again all conceptions of thought argo...helpful but still just concepts
Argothin: Mental Personality disorder is caused by the brain.
Argothin: lol, my bad.
Argothin: Multiple*
Argothin: I'm getting too tired.
markfive05: and you don't believe that that they are in your brain?
Argothin: Multiple Personality Disorder is only the closest thing I can think of to what I have.
Tripiticus: its actually DID
Argothin: They were not made by a mental defect.
Tripiticus: i don't think they use MPD anymore
markfive05: Dissociated Identity Disorder?
Tripiticus: but how do you know Argo?
markfive05: is that what that stands for?
Tripiticus: think so mark
Tripiticus: yeah
Argothin: Hey.
markfive05: Argo said that when he was 5 he was tested for MPD and it was negative...
Argothin: They didn't bother to test. They considered them to be "Imaginary Friends", or have you been paying attention?
markfive05: well you were probably too young to realize that you were being tested. I'm sure there are certain tales in how you describe them and how you react to certain things
Tripiticus: well i think the diagnosis is somewhat subjective
Tripiticus: argo...my question is how do you know they are real, a voice in your head is surely not axiomatic, so how do you know it is not all fabricated by yourself?
Tripiticus: how do you discern reality from fiction?
Argothin: Because they are constant, they are always the same, and they have become dominant before.
Tripiticus: yes...but there are cases of this in others
Tripiticus: and generally antipsychotics suppress the voices
Argothin: Hah, you don't get it do you?
markfive05: he's undiagnosed so he can't get them
Tripiticus: i am merely posing a question, you don’t need to be condescending
Argothin: Without them I'm only a fraction of myself, get it?
Tripiticus: yes but what litmus test do you have for these abstract statements
Tripiticus: i am only curious as to what you are measuring such ideas against
Argothin: Science and reality do not always match.
Tripiticus: and?
Argothin: The fact that they've been with me for 12 years is enough for me.
Tripiticus: so the great spaghetti monster
Argothin: Like I've said before, you're the kind that will refuse to believe simply because it cannot be proven.
Tripiticus: if you met a man that swore he existed and was pervasive in all aspects of his life for the last 20 years...would you believe?
markfive05: gravity cannot be proven but I believe in it
Tripiticus: no argo...that is a cop out
Argothin: My point is proven....
Tripiticus: i am only offering another perspective, not trying to dissuade you or persuade others
mingunmeatel: I g2g
Tripiticus: but if you are close minded...
Argothin: Some people are truly insane, their minds may truly be broken.
Argothin: I am not one of them.
Tripiticus: ok, fair enough
Tripiticus: but my hypothetical man above...would you believe him?
Argothin: You're trying to tell me that what I am cannot exist, you expect me to accept that?
markfive05: really it sounds to me as if you don't want to get rid of these voices
Tripiticus: no, i am not telling you that at all
markfive05: that you like having them around
Tripiticus: i am apatheti****o that point argo
Argothin: Bulls*** Trip, it is, you are saying that these spirits cannot exist.
Tripiticus: so argo..the open minded guru is telling me what i am saying?
Tripiticus: doesnt sound very open minded
Argothin: I never said I was open minded.
Argothin: I'm telling you what I've read.
Tripiticus: clear as day argo i am saying; they are irrelevant to existence as we understand it
Argothin: And no mark, I don't, it would be like removing my left arm.
Tripiticus: yet for some reason you can’t have a conversation
Argothin: What?
Tripiticus: i ask a simple question, and you cant reply...yet you expect understanding from others
markfive05: earlier you told us that you have been living in something like a nightmare for the last 12 years and that you wish that you could escape it, or something to that extent
Argothin: Ask again then, and I'll tell you why or answer.
Argothin: I said sometimes I wish it were just a story, since it makes life hard at times.
Argothin: Ever wish your mother would just die or go away some days? It's alot like that.
Tripiticus: as an attempt to offer perspective from the other side argo, i said would you believe a man that swore to the existence of the great spaghetti monster?
Tripiticus: you wish that about your mother?
Argothin: I would ask how he knew.
Argothin: You don't? lucky you.
markfive05: lol no it's not like that at all, because my mother provides me with tangible things other than a neat story to tell other people
Tripiticus: and if he said direct communication
Tripiticus: argo...i think we hid the real problem
Argothin: Then it exists to him.
Tripiticus: not that it is our business, but abuse is a precursor to DID
Tripiticus: yes, exists to him
Argothin: I don't hate my mother lol.
Tripiticus: but it is all subjective and rather inconsequential, don’t you think?
Argothin: Sure, why not.
Tripiticus: yes MCM
markfive05: the more the merrier!
Argothin: I'm tired Trip, use more common words please...
Tripiticus: perspective based and not important?
Argothin: What is existence other than what you perceive?
MCMo: to me it sounds like your hearing the voices cause something during child hood caused your subconsus to start making u hear them
Argothin: It's a long story...
MCMo: do u have an idea what might have caused it?
Tripiticus: well we can change our perception at any moment, existence is the underlying flux
Argothin: I met them when I was five and they have been with me ever since.
MCMo: good
MCMo: were onto something
Argothin: There was no trauma, they simply found me.
MCMo: something when u were 5 must have caused it
MCMo: they wouldn’t just pop up
Argothin: Not to you anyway.
Argothin: Apparnetly my beliefs are different from what is common?
markfive05: they chose him, after 800 years he was the only one that they could enter
Argothin: Not quite 800.
Tripiticus: argo...i might have missed some of the story, what is their purpose?
Argothin: 795.
Argothin: They simply want to find Melody so they can be at peace.
MCMo: yea that might help find out
MCMo: melody?
Tripiticus: so is melody in another host?
Argothin: They feel they failed her in letting her die.
Argothin: We don't know.
markfive05: MCM, you missed out on a lot of the story lol
Tripiticus: what if she is gone?
MCMo: yea.
MCMo: yes if melody is gone
MCMo: ur stuck with them
Argothin: We believe she would wait for us and look for us like we are, if she is gone then we have no reason to move on.
MCMo: my suggestion is find a site where u can post stuff
Tripiticus: no reason to move on if she is gone...seems contradictory
MCMo: and ask if theres any1 else like u
Argothin: Finding someone is nearly impossible after you have passed.
Tripiticus: so do they/you believe that all spirits are eternal?
markfive05: I guess that I'm still stuck on why they chose you, after roughly 800 years a lot of people have come and gone and why only you let them in
Argothin: None are eternal, some just hold on longer than others.
MCMo: maybe u shouldn’t try getting them out
Argothin: I don't know.
MCMo: maybe u should just try and adapt
Argothin: We give him no reason to get rid of us, we are very careful about that.
MCMo: see
MCMo: they dont try bugging u
Tripiticus: so are you actively searching for melody?
markfive05: why are you shifting perspective? talking in 3rd now rather than 1st?
Tripiticus: and clearly we have ruffled enough feathers that they are speaking directly now
Argothin: We try to be quiet about it when we are.
Argothin: Ah good, you caught on.
Argothin: Let me introduce myself, I am Maune Crows.
MCMo: plesur to meet u
Tripiticus: Maune...isnt that a surname?
MCMo: *pleasure
Tripiticus: i found the Maune family crest
Argothin: It was my father's middle name, do remember what he has already told you.
Tripiticus: though no record of it being a given name
Argothin: Oh did you? How interesting.
Tripiticus: i cant, if you recall Maune that i told you it is all very inconsequential
MCMo: manue may i ask something
Argothin: Do you think they would put someone like me in the history books?
Argothin: You may not get the answer you want, but go ahead.
MCMo: do u have the slightest lead where melody might be?
Tripiticus: I wanna know if Maune knew about the Magna Carta?
Argothin: Only that she will be English speaking and somewhat frail.
Tripiticus: or the Normans?
markfive05: May I have the next question after MCM?
markfive05: or after Trip now, lol
Tripiticus: or King Richard?
MCMo: normans? magna carta?
Tripiticus: some historical detail
Argothin: My memory is faded quite badly, I only remember a few things about who I was.
markfive05: to MCM, original person said they lived in England
Argothin: I only cared about myself and melody.
Tripiticus: and your dad's middle name
Argothin: I needed a name, do you not remember?
MCMo: maune, do u remember any of your relatives?
Argothin: No, I do not even know how many I had.
Tripiticus: of course not
MCMo: how were u and melody related?
Argothin: Romantically.
markfive05: Why did you let Argo kill all your companions? You grew up with them from when you were a little boy and they were the only people you knew. Instead of trying to reason with them, since you are the more reasonable of the two, you gave in and…
Argothin: And Trip, I know the lack of detail annoys you, but I can't tell what I do not know.
markfive05: in and slaughtered them.
Tripiticus: melody was of noble ancestry?
Argothin: I did try reasoning with them actually.
MCMo: woah argo killed his friendS?
markfive05: yeah, you missed his entire back story
Argothin: They gave us reason.
Tripiticus: hmm...argo, best post the story somewhere for others to dread
Argothin: As much as I can remember Trip.
MCMo: do mind telling me?
MCMo: the reason
markfive05: and that reason was because the traders didn't deserve to die?
Argothin: Not every noble name makes it into history.
Tripiticus: argo, whether or not you are a troll...this has been fun, please come back to the Hive
Tripiticus: i gotta get some sleep though
Argothin: Good, perhaps I can get a statement out without being heckled.
markfive05: that doesn't seem to be very diplomatic, doesn't seem very maune-like
markfive05: are we speaking with the other Argothin now?
Argothin: Why reason with one who refuses to listen?
Tripiticus: argo..i guess you confess genuine interest with heckling, sorry and goodnight
Argothin: No, he does not enjoy talking.
Argothin: Farewell.
markfive05: so still speaking with muane right?
Argothin: Correct.
Argothin: I may be diplomatic, but I see no reason to be so here, here I can simply talk.
markfive05: I'm amazed at your comprehension of using a computer and being able to type, someone from the year 1200 or so probably couldn't even dream of what you are using right now
Argothin: Why be civil to someone who does not believe I even exist?
Argothin: When you lose your memories you gain the ability to learn.
MCMo: true
markfive05: I don't think that is true at all
markfive05: people go have amnesia
Argothin: We share knowledge amongst each other, the boy knows how to use this, so do we.
markfive05: they don't gain the ability to learn new things that way
MCMo: true
Argothin: We forgot slowly, not all at once.
Argothin: We simply removed what we did not need for things we needed.
Argothin: Science cannot help something when it is working perfectly.
markfive05: so I'm assuming that you even know what I am typing because the boy knows our language and colloquialism
Argothin: Yes? Sadly, we do not know the meaning of colloquialism...
markfive05: basically slang
Argothin: Remember, you are talking to one of 'them'.
MCMo: i remember
Argothin: Oh yes, he has taught us most of the slang words he knows.
markfive05: surely you must remember your old language and grammar though?
markfive05: *grammar
MCMo: by the way, how many are there other the u maune?
markfive05: there's the boy, Agrothin, and Muane
markfive05: in one body
MCMo: *than
Argothin: No, we did not need it as no one could understand it as well as what is now "normal" English.
MCMo: So whose the boy
markfive05: but your love Melody surely knows it
markfive05: the boy is who we were talking to earlier
Argothin: She may, but I will be impressed if she has held onto it.
markfive05: Agrothin gave him permission to use his name
Argothin: Correct.
markfive05: So how come you and Agrothin chose this boy as a host?
Argothin: He has already told you.
MCMo: oh
Argothin: He was the only one who accepted us as who and what we were.
markfive05: can you tell me of past stories of trying to be accepted to other hosts?
Argothin: I'd prefer not to.
markfive05: surely you tried during your 800 years
Argothin: I find them unimportant.
Argothin: It was almost always the same thing for a long time.
Argothin: People though us to be demons or some other foul, evil thing.
markfive05: it's not about you though, this is about the boy and his credibility
Argothin: I realise that, and it annoys me that he needs to prove anything to you people.
markfive05: well he doesn't have to prove anything to us because we aren't Melody
Argothin: How would we know the difference? He is the only one that ever let us in.
Argothin: He helps us when he can, and also accepts our advice.
markfive05: but yet he reaches out to us and tells us your story because he needs to feel special and accepted
Argothin: Not special, he'd just like someone to believe him.
markfive05: If I had these great spirits in me talking to me I would think would be pretty special
Argothin: They can hate him for all he cares, he just wants people to believe him.
Argothin: Hahaha. We are far from great, we are merely lost souls looking for someone they let down to try and make it up to her.
Argothin: He would help a living person with the same problem just as readily.
Argothin: In fact, he often does help others, I guess he though what we did in our life was worthwhile.
markfive05: what did you do in your life? All he told us was how you were a mercenary that killed people and then went into a protection line of work
Argothin: Just because it wasn't told does not mean it did not happen.
markfive05: ...and I'm asking what did happen
Argothin: I helped people when I could, they could not always pay me with money so I would merely ask for a bit of food and lodging.
Argothin: This happened often in between jobs.
MCMo: so sometime u took trade instead of pay
Argothin: Correct.
markfive05: that was normal back in those days
Argothin: All too common at times.
markfive05: so how is that special?
Argothin: Many of my jobs were uneventful.
Argothin: It is not? I did not know you wanted it to be.
MCMo: so u helped people that didn’t need help?
Argothin: I mean nothing went wrong.
Argothin: I guarded caravans quite often, they did not always get attacked.
markfive05: so what did the boy think was worthwhile in your life if most of it was uneventful?
Argothin: Helping people when possible.
Argothin: They payed me and I needed the money.
markfive05: so doing trade with people is what the boy thought was worthwhile?
Argothin: He thought that helping others was worth doing. That is what I meant.
Argothin: He simply enjoys making others happy when he can.
Argothin: Though sometimes he can be bitter and angry. No one can be cheerful and helpful all the time it seems.
markfive05: how many people did you kill?
Argothin: It seems I have a nice guy and a staunch disbeliever in this conversation, nothing new there.
MCMo: mark is that important?
Argothin: Some people are decent enough to lend an ear, even though they may disbelieve as much as the other.
markfive05: hey I don't have to believe what you want me to believe, you shouldn't be so judgmental
Argothin: Oh sorry, I did not see the question earlier.
markfive05: I've been here the longest, haven't I lent my ear the most?
Argothin: I did not count the lives we took, I saw it as something that should not be remembered.
markfive05: I bet Argo remembers, he seems to be the type that loves that stuff
Argothin: You've only lent an ear to poke holes in our story it seems.
markfive05: without me there would be no story
Argothin: He didn't count, but he remembers the feeling of battle.
markfive05: without me you wouldn't have anyone to talk to
Argothin: He did enjoy it a little too much, but it was all he lived for.
Argothin: Sometimes I wonder if that would be so bad, it is often between good and bad when I talk to people.
markfive05: he must hate being stuck in a body in which he can't kill people then, never feeling the rush of battle anymore
Argothin: It is good to talk, but their words often make me regret talking.
Argothin: He travels from time to time, he can leave for about a fortnight at a time.
markfive05: so he has taken other hosts then?
markfive05: he can split from you?
Argothin: Not other hosts, he travels as a spirit, often seeking malicious spirits as targets.
Argothin: Yes, we can leave for a time if we want.
markfive05: but you two are from the same brain, you are the same person
markfive05: how can you be in two different places at once?
Argothin: We were, when a mind splits, so does the spirit.
Argothin: Argothin and I are no longer the same person, think of us as twins.
MCMo: so u take part of his soul?
markfive05: no, when the mind splits it is still one, just fragmented
markfive05: Has your mind ever split in two?
Argothin: not to my knowledge, but how can I know?
markfive05: Have you spoken to another who's mind has?
Argothin: maybe my other personality has?
Argothin: if I had one, then I don't know what it does
Argothin: as I'm not aware of it
markfive05: Do not pretend to know what you do not.
markfive05: Simply, do not say what a mind does if you have not felt it.
MCMo: gotta go
Argothin: Farewell.
markfive05: alright kid, let's cut the bs no one else is on anymore and I should get some sleep tonight
markfive05: it was fun talking with you, you do have an interesting story
Argothin: It saddens me you think that it is all just a trick.
markfive05: I know you made this story to tell people
markfive05: you probably tell people both online and in real life
Argothin: What do you want me to say? That I'm an attention hungry little brat?
markfive05: not attention hungry
markfive05: but that you would like someone to pay some attention to you
markfive05: and defiantly not a brat
markfive05: you just want someone to look up to you
Argothin: If he wanted that, he knows easier ways.
markfive05: someone to think that you’re important and fun
markfive05: it's what everyone wants
Argothin: Up to me? I hope people never have to be like us.
Argothin: He has friends who love him, a family that would trust him with their life.
markfive05: you obviously have a knack for writing and I would run with that in life
Argothin: We just want someone to believe us for once.
Argothin: I do hate that comment.
markfive05: if you haven't already get a notebook and just start writing
markfive05: I really do think that you could be a writer when you grow up
Argothin: The only thing more persistent then death is disbelief it seems.
markfive05: that and taxes geez
Argothin: Humans just don't want to believe they are wrong about anything anymore.
markfive05: so now you are something more than human?
markfive05: and you are always right?
Argothin: something less.
Argothin: Not always right, but I do exist.
markfive05: ah yes, the pity inducing line
Argothin: You refuse to believe that.
markfive05: look kid, you aren't going to make me believe that you are possessed in any shape or form
Argothin: You see me as pathetic then?
markfive05: no, but you are throwing lines out there trying to make me feel pity for you
markfive05: there's a big difference between pathetic and pity
Argothin: And you will not convince me that he is not.
markfive05: and you are pretty quick to anger
Argothin: I do not want pity.
markfive05: what did you switch back to human form?
markfive05: and why is it 'he' and not 'we' or 'they'
Argothin: You disgust me, and no I did not "switch".
Argothin: He is 'possesed', we are not.
markfive05: that is why I don't believe you, because there are so many inconsistencies
Argothin: How can a spirit possess himself?
markfive05: I never said that a spirit possesses himself
Argothin: Then what is inconsistent?
markfive05: In this line: Argothin: And you will not convince me that he is not.
markfive05: who is 'me' and who is 'he'
Argothin: I am Maune, 'he' is the boy.
markfive05: so you said, "And you will not convince me (Maune) that he (the boy) is not" and what are you referring to there?
Argothin: You are telling me that I do not exist, as you do not believe the boy is 'possessed'.
Argothin: I refuse to believe that the boy is not 'possessed' because that would mean that I do not exist.
markfive05: because I was talking about the kid as looking for pity and you said, "Argothin: You see me as pathetic then?" and so I thought you switched there as well
TheWhiteAngel: Hmm. Interesting... it's usually dead at this time.
Argothin: I have not switched and I was not looking for pity, the boy has not spoken or typed in some time.
TheWhiteAngel: What's the conversation about?
Argothin: I'm not sure you would understand.
markfive05: Argothin is a boy that is being possessed by two spirits from the 1200's
markfive05: the two spirits killed a bunch of people and are looking for their long lost love Melody
Argothin: And he has convinced himself that I am not real.
TheWhiteAngel: Lol.
Argothin: But that is all too common among people these days.
markfive05: right now he is speaking as Maune, the softer speaker of the two personalities that are in the boy
Argothin: I am Maune by the way, a pleasure to meet you.
TheWhiteAngel: I've convinced myself this chat has officially gone nuts.
Argothin: Actually Argothin is the softer speaker, for he barely speaks at all.
markfive05: welcome aboard!
markfive05: i did not mean softer as in more quiet but as in not as harsh
Argothin: You do not know a jest when you see one?
Argothin: Never you mind, it is not the place for it.
markfive05: I just figured something that has been around for 800 years would have better jokes
markfive05: I love how your dictation has changed now that we have another commentator
TheWhiteAngel: Where?
Argothin: Another listens, why not talk to them too?
Argothin: Besides, you do not listen as it is.
markfive05: I can tell your story better than you can! Lol I do not listen my ass
Argothin: I just find it comforting to let some of this... boredom?
markfive05: and by dictation I mean the way you talk, the way you but your words together
TheWhiteAngel: I think the way he talks is contagious, looking at you.
Argothin: Let me rephrase that statement. You do not listen for the sake of the words themselves, but for the sake of turning them against the speaker.
markfive05: what else am I suppose to do late at night on The Hive?
TheWhiteAngel: Oh, it's night where you are?
Argothin: Something usefull perhaps? Or just play a game?
Argothin: That is what this site is for after all.
TheWhiteAngel: I've just woken up, you're all confusing the Hell out of me.
markfive05: Look kid, if you don't want to have someone argue with you over your story that has a million plot holes in it then don't bring it to the internet
TheWhiteAngel: He think he did, and he's clearly not a kid.
markfive05: he's 17
TheWhiteAngel: 17's not a kid.
markfive05: yes, yes it is
Argothin: And you are a 24 year old who is trying to tell someone they don't exist.
markfive05: I'm not saying that I'm old, I still have a lot to experience, but 17 is still a kid
markfive05: not someone
markfive05: something
markfive05: you said yourself that you are less than human
Argothin: If you see me that way.
markfive05: there, another plot hole
TheWhiteAngel: D:
markfive05: it's your words, not mine
Argothin: Animals are "someone", anything that thinks and learns is someone.
markfive05: animals are NOT someone
markfive05: they are things
markfive05: they are possessions
Argothin: I am sorry you feel that way.
Argothin: Humans are merely animals that refused to physically evolve. Instead they make things to make up for their flaws.
Argothin: I hate myself for ever being like that.
TheWhiteAngel: Ehh... that's quite a selfish way of thinking, you think that anything that isn't Human is just a tool for us?
Argothin: Another fool has joined us?
markfive05: Humans have evolved
Argothin: Thank you, Angel.
markfive05: to search for Melody?
Argothin: I do not know where she is. I have told you this.
Argothin: I only know that she will speak english and be somewhat frail.
Argothin: For all I know she is in Britain.
markfive05: yeah, but if for instance you read a short story about a spirit named Melody being trapped inside a girl in Britain's body, wouldn't you try to contact that girl?
Argothin: If the story fit with what I knew of her.
Argothin: I never got a chance to tell her of my life, I tried to avoid it.
markfive05: hmm, it doesn't seem as if you are really desperately searching for this long lost love. It just seems as if you are waiting for her to fall into your lap
Argothin: I'm looking for leads, and for someone as old as I, patience is second nature.
TheWhiteAngel: Did that make sense?
TheWhiteAngel: o.O
stealthsilent: Yes it did.
markfive05: but you can't wait much longer Maune right? in 80 years your time on earth is up right?
Argothin: I am tired, my grammar and spelling suffers when I am tired.
TheWhiteAngel: Wait, Maune?
markfive05: yeah that's who we are talking to right now, Maune
Argothin: 80 years in a human body is a long time.
TheWhiteAngel: Maune Crows, same person he has quotes from on his profile.
Argothin: Good, you pay attention.
markfive05: Maune also has a Pandora
Argothin: That is only the boy using my name.
TheWhiteAngel: Y'know, if I were you, I would go on 4Chan and do this all over again.
TheWhiteAngel: Lmao.
markfive05: nah I'm not that evil
TheWhiteAngel: I'm talking to Argo, though.
TheWhiteAngel: Or Maune.
markfive05: ah gotcha
Argothin: I would not, this is not some ruse, even though very few believe so otherwise.
markfive05: Gustop {(--edited by stealtsilent---- Gustop is not his real name-----)}
TheWhiteAngel: Gustop?
Argothin: Determined to find the boy's name?
TheWhiteAngel: Lol.
markfive05: so you admit that it's his name then?
Argothin: If you didn't guess that I feel sorry for you.
stealthsilent: Is this still on topic?
Argothin: Partially.
markfive05: yeah, I found the kid's real last name
frappeman: whos name
TheWhiteAngel: Frappe, let me bring you up to date, Argothin says that he is a 800 year old spirit possessing a 17 year old boy.
markfive05: two 800 year old spirits
stealthsilent: Who is speaking now, Maune?
TheWhiteAngel: Two, in fact. Lol.
markfive05: yeah still Maune
TheWhiteAngel: Wait, who's the second spirit?
Argothin: You will not meet Argothin.
markfive05: I kinda wish that i didn't post his last name though. I do feel bad for that
Argothin: Good.
Argothin: There may be hope for you yet.
frappeman: how did you die (just asking because i wana know
markfive05: well here we are all faceless an anonymous and we can say whatever we want without fear of being persecuted for it
Argothin: You are not the first to call me that.
stealthsilent: He was killed protecting his love.
Argothin: Occupational hazard, to put it lightly.
markfive05: his love was a princess that he was hired to protect, but the King didn't like it so he had both of them killed
markfive05: not sure why the King would kill his own daughter but, oh well
stealthsilent: Well, there are people like that in the world...
Argothin: It would have looked bad for him to have his daughter in love with a mercenary.
Argothin: He was rather selfish, a lot like mark it seems.
markfive05: I'm mark
frappeman: oh
markfive05: Argo thinks I'm selfish because I like to poke holes into his story
Argothin: No, the selfish part was more for your thoughts on animals.
markfive05: what that they don't go to heaven when they die?
Argothin: That they are possessions, nothing more.
markfive05: pretty much, I can buy a dog, I can sell a dog
markfive05: they are possessions
Argothin: Some places you can buy and sell humans.
stealthsilent: Sadly.
Argothin: Does that make them nothing more than possessions?
frappeman: no it doesnt
Argothin: I'm asking mark.
stealthsilent: Mark would be trying to imply of a "lower" life form.
frappeman: i know
frappeman: im correcting him
stealthsilent: Such as a dog, who cannot think like we do, implicating the lower life form part.
Argothin: There is no such thing as far as I know.
markfive05: they have different morals than me and my societal norm
Argothin: It can, it simply does not need to, therefore it does not.
markfive05: lmao, A dog cannot think like we do
Argothin: Answer me with a simple answer mark.
markfive05: their brains lack a frontal lobe
stealthsilent: Ooo yes indeed.
Argothin: Are people sold as slaves or whores nothing more than possessions?
stealthsilent: Incorrect.
Argothin: I want to know if mark thinks so.
markfive05: you cannot equate a dog being bought to a woman having no morals and whoring herself out.
markfive05: they are completely different things
stealthsilent: We do not consider ourselves as possessions, so when put in a situation when we are treated like possessions, we fall back on the idea that we aren't possessions.
Argothin: Bulls*** mark.
TheWhiteAngel: Lol.
markfive05: what language for an 800 year old spirit
Argothin: You understand it don't you?
stealthsilent: Let's rationalize it.
frappeman: i do
stealthsilent: From this point, I do not.
Argothin: I do have to simplify it for you?
stealthsilent: … Mark?
markfive05: Here are MY believes, I did not want to put it on the internet because I know there are a lot of people that feel differently and I didn't want to get into a flame war
markfive05: But God made Man in his likeness
stealthsilent: Alright.
stealthsilent: I see mark's point.
stealthsilent: Same as mine.
Argothin: Ah, so you believe that humans are better than everything else.
stealthsilent: To put it bluntly, yes.
Argothin: Correct?
markfive05: and then populated the Earth with animals and trees and water and so forth
frappeman: i dont
Argothin: Hmm, how pitiable.
markfive05: yes, because God breathed his life into us
Argothin: So you believe the world revolves around you or your kind?
stealthsilent: Not necessarily.
Argothin: I know you do not stealth.
Argothin: It is mark that concerns me.
stealthsilent: Hmmm
markfive05: I'm not going into my beliefs any deeper than that because I'm not trying to change your perspective on how I look on the world
frappeman: well i have a religious side and a non religious side
stealthsilent: Well I am on Mark's side of the arguement.
markfive05: while you are trying to change mine
Argothin: I merely want to know, I know better than to think I can get through your thick skull with anything less than an axe.
stealthsilent: Nice.
markfive05: well I stated my beliefs, God made Man in his likeness and gave us the Earth and everything on it to live in his likeness
Argothin: What? Even I lose my patience.
markfive05: ?
Argothin: Ok, so you do believe everything on earth is just to benefit humans?
markfive05: yeah
frappeman: ha your underestimating every one thats smart
stealthsilent: Shoot, mark, I don't know what to say, even when I'm on your side.
Argothin: I pity you then.
markfive05: lol, well you just do what you do best and be stealthsilent
Argothin: Goodnight, I am tired and need sleep.
markfive05: Well I don't care kid, I'm not asking for your pity
TheWhiteAngel: Then Frappe, don't grow up to be like these two, that's all I can say.
Argothin: I know you are not asking for it, you earn it.
markfive05: while for the past four hours your entire story is one big cry for help
Argothin: Yes, please do not become someone like me.
markfive05: please don't kill yourself kid
markfive05: a life is a horrible thing to waste
Argothin: Not to you, not unless it's human.
Argothin: Besides, I'd kill you long before myself.
markfive05: now that's a dumb thing, why threaten my life over a conversations on beliefs?
stealthsilent: I took it differently.
markfive05: and is this Maune talking? Because I didn't think Maune was a killer.
Argothin: Not a threat, just a statement. I will kill someone else long before myself.
Argothin: Argothin was good in the frontlines, who do you think was better at the more subtle aspects of it?
Argothin: Now goodnight, I hope someone shows you how to be happy.
markfive05: I am happy
markfive05: you are the one that's online looking for someone to share your made up story with
stealthsilent: Mark
stealthsilent: You got that?
markfive05: that's me
stealthsilent: Send it to me.
stealthsilent: The whole thing
hunkadunkus: Hey guys :D
TheWhiteAngel: Hi Hunka! You just missed the most amazing argument I've ever seen.
stealthsilent: Man! that was one hell of a argument.
legion105: Twa copy and past it as ur, about me beneath what u put and then we can read it
stealthsilent: White, I would really like your output on this animal argument issue :).
TheWhiteAngel: It's too long, Legion. But I can summarise it.
legion105: ooh yeh plz
stealthsilent: A 800 year old ghost is in a kid crying for help when he gets in a huge argument with mark.
stealthsilent: That is the summary.
stealthsilent: To put it very bluntly...
legion105: wtf?
markfive05: I'm having trouble finding where I left off, give me a minute or two to find it
TheWhiteAngel: Argothin, brought up a debate when he told us all that he was one of two old hundred spirits trapped in an 17 year old's body, he argued with Markfive05 about humans and animals being possesions.
TheWhiteAngel: That is basically it.
hunkadunkus: Hah, also who are these new people? :3
stealthsilent: I'm not new.
stealthsilent: I've been here longer than you lol.
TheWhiteAngel: I believe I've seen Mark before, and stealth says he's not.
stealthsilent: Says i'm not what.
TheWhiteAngel: Not new.
stealthsilent: Heck no I'm not new.
TheWhiteAngel: Jees, I thought my memory was bad.
stealthsilent: I just never chat
Argothin: Here's something I find quite funny.
hunkadunkus: Oh, well i've rarely seen you in the chat... have you been chatting in the hive before or do you go to another room?
stealthsilent: Because its all stupid.
TheWhiteAngel: Oh hello, Argo.
stealthsilent: Saaay your back.
Argothin: Mark was so convinced I was the one talking, and that I wanted attention.
markfive05: I'm still here Argo
TheWhiteAngel: :L
Argothin: If that was my intention I succeeded greatly no?
stealthsilent: But it was him, is that your point?
TheWhiteAngel: Does the argument continue now?
stealthsilent: Yes!
Argothin: No, it ended.
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