firearms owners page 2

Originally posted by 1132:

Originally posted by Captain_Catface:

^Trololo.
I have a pistol of some sort…
It’s… somewhere in my workroom.
I’d pay just about anything for a GyroJet though…

Those are things are both impractical and now expensive. Still bad ass though.

Originally posted by anelaid:

But to say that guns contribute to violent crimes with their availability is false.

How does that work? If guns are more available, doesn’t that mean that they would be easier for people to get a hold of and commit such crimes?

No, I mentioned it earlier, most guns don’t come from legal sources because

1.) If you buy a gun or steal one that is legally bought, its an easy matter to find out where its from.

2.) Its cheaper and easier to buy a black market gun.

3.) Like I said earlier, 95 percent of guns used in the commission of a gun were illegal to begin with and were not gained through legal means or through legal sources.

According to various officers I talked to, they found that areas that they worked where it was known a lot of the people had guns for self-defense had lower crime than areas in which people did not have guns. I don’t see why they would lie and the various law enforcement agencies look at this stuff closely.

1.) If you buy a gun or steal one that is legally bought, its an easy matter to find out where its from.

Because you can’t file off serial numbers…

2.) Its cheaper and easier to buy a black market gun.

Because your average crook has access to the international black market.

3.) Like I said earlier, 95 percent of guns used in the commission of a gun were illegal to begin with and were not gained through legal means or through legal sources.

A. Source
B. So, guns with serial numbers filed off, or stolen from stores, or purchased from questionable shops are all illegal in the USA- these all came from gun shops inside the country. Also, for what country/region or might it be the world does this statistic apply to?

According to various officers I talked to, they found that areas that they worked where it was known a lot of the people had guns for self-defense had lower crime than areas in which people did not have guns. I don’t see why they would lie and the various law enforcement agencies look at this stuff closely.

Anecdotal evidence. Might want to look it up.

Originally posted by 1132:

1.) If you buy a gun or steal one that is legally bought, its an easy matter to find out where its from.

Because you can’t file off serial numbers…

2.) Its cheaper and easier to buy a black market gun.

Because your average crook has access to the international black market.

3.) Like I said earlier, 95 percent of guns used in the commission of a gun were illegal to begin with and were not gained through legal means or through legal sources.

A. Source
B. So, guns with serial numbers filed off, or stolen from stores, or purchased from questionable shops are all illegal in the USA- these all came from gun shops inside the country. Also, for what country/region or might it be the world does this statistic apply to?

According to various officers I talked to, they found that areas that they worked where it was known a lot of the people had guns for self-defense had lower crime than areas in which people did not have guns. I don’t see why they would lie and the various law enforcement agencies look at this stuff closely.

Anecdotal evidence. Might want to look it up.

1.) That is related to the other 5 percent.

2.) Most do, its not like the black market is that complex. You have gun dealers in a lot of places, especially with the Mexican gangs.

3.) A.) FBI crime statistic, the latest or the one before that.

B.) To break it down

95 percent: Gun dealers, black market, was never legally in the market.

5 percent: At some point, weapon was in the market. Includes weapons illegally modified, with serial keys filed off, stolen from a person who bought it legally or, basically, was legal at some point in its existence.

At least that show I read it, if I’m wrong, you can check the FBI crime statistics which I’m sure is on their website.

5.) This was a statistic they shared with me, not just an anecdtoe. Should have been more clear, sorry.

1.) That is related to the other 5 percent.

Of what? The 95% statistic?

2.) Most do, its not like the black market is that complex. You have gun dealers in a lot of places, especially with the Mexican gangs.

You aware that is supplied by US gun smugglers, correct?

Gun Smuggling

3.) A.) FBI crime statistic, the latest or the one before that.

Could you post it?

95 percent: Gun dealers, black market, was never legally in the market.

In the US? We’re gun smugglers. See the above.

At least that show I read it, if I’m wrong, you can check the FBI crime statistics which I’m sure is on their website.

Please post. Burden of proof is on you.

5.) This was a statistic they shared with me, not just an anecdtoe. Should have been more clear, sorry.

Could you maybe post some sort of statistic from a reliable source?

Originally posted by softest_voice:

So darkninja, what purpose do all of those serve?
No, really. I’m curious why you feel the need to have so many firearms, including a couple that seem redundant.

well i am a military brat and growing up i saw mostly military style weapons so thats what i identify with most, but i have a few redundant weapons so that my wife and i can shoot the same kind of ammo as it makes buying in bulk more cost efficient. other guns are bought strictly for hunting purposes which is the main source of animal protein that i consume. i collect all sorts of weapons though including airsoft knives and martial arts while by no means at expert level with any single weapon im fairly proficient with any of them i think my favorite training aids are my softstx http://www8.ivenue.com/sofstxconcepts/productCat557.ctlg?orderId=&custId= but these things need to be used with a full faceguard helmet thats padded they are very hard for “softstx” however another set i have the actionflex http://www.actionflex.com/ are actually soft enough that the need for padded sparring gear is not needed but are a bit flimsy to accurately perform most moves but they are alot more fun for learning the basics i just enjoy violent sports as when younger i had serious anger issues stemming from depression but im 25 now and anger and depression have been a nonissue for me for 7yrs or so. i find weapons training is a great way for stress relief and actually makes me a much more polite person as i am never looking for a random violent encounter. i do enjoy mediated amateur martial arts tournaments though while i lose as many as i win i just enjoy the experience of a so called lost tradition.

i see nothing but beauty in the form and function of weapons there dangerous affinity also adds a bit of mystic as well. i do not have any kids and until i do im quite satisfied for how my weapons are stored.

im looking to get into 3 gun competitions and IPSC possibly cowboy action shooting. my wife is the one that likes the single action revolvers shes got a .22 with an 8rd cylinder but revolvers are not really my cup of tea while they are more comfortable to shoot i just find the aesthetics not for me however rossi makes a carbine thats basically a taurus judge which i think would be an excellent trail gun.
i generally use my guns for single use purpose and near all my more traditional style firearms have been inherited and i use them for hunting where as most of the firearms i have bought are for sporting or self defensive purpose

Originally posted by 1132:

1.) That is related to the other 5 percent.

Of what? The 95% statistic?

2.) Most do, its not like the black market is that complex. You have gun dealers in a lot of places, especially with the Mexican gangs.

You aware that is supplied by US gun smugglers, correct?

Gun Smuggling

3.) A.) FBI crime statistic, the latest or the one before that.

Could you post it?

95 percent: Gun dealers, black market, was never legally in the market.

In the US? We’re gun smugglers. See the above.

At least that show I read it, if I’m wrong, you can check the FBI crime statistics which I’m sure is on their website.

Please post. Burden of proof is on you.

5.) This was a statistic they shared with me, not just an anecdtoe. Should have been more clear, sorry.

Could you maybe post some sort of statistic from a reliable source?

Most of that is illegal smuggling and it says as much, smuggling weapons is illegal.

As for the last point here is one element of proof: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/75359

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics: deals with firearms, goes in depth about everything related to it.

1132,

The world black market is different from the local black markets. If you are in Denver, you can go down to 17th and Colfax and pick up what you want (not just guns) any night of the week.

Guns are not the evil things people portray them as. They have no life of their own and it is the person who wields them that is the brains. I have noticed that this forum automatically thinks if a person owns a gun, they are criminal leaning and that is far from the truth. I would say 99.9% of concealed handgun carriers (and open carriers) have never, nor will ever cause any type of crime. They are people just like you. They have just decided they would not be a victim. The gun is but a tool in this endeavor.

Use some logic…if you are a criminal, lets say a burglar. You have two houses in front of you. One has an armed occupant and one has a sign out front saying they don’t believe in violence…which one would you chose to burglarize? The unarmed occupant…right? What if you didn’t know which house had the armed occupant. You now have a 50/50 chance of getting shot. Are you going to go on to the next block or take your chances?

All of the anti-gun posts on this forum make out like guns are bad, but they are not. Weapons come in various forms and guns are but one form. You still have knives, baseball bats, a piece of 4/0 copper wire, etc. You must take the person and not the weapon into the equation.

What if you didn’t know which house had the armed occupant. You now have a 50/50 chance of getting shot. Are you going to go on to the next block or take your chances?

No, you’re going to wait until they’re out and rob both houses.

Originally posted by softest_voice:

So darkninja, what purpose do all of those serve?
No, really. I’m curious why you feel the need to have so many firearms, including a couple that seem redundant.

It is fun to try out the different weapons. To most gun collectors, a firearm is more than just a gun, they are art. The fitting of all of the small parts to make a machine that works like a firearm does is beautiful. Most collectors shoot their collections at the range for the pure enjoyment. Others pack them away in a safe and just take them out to look at sometimes.

Many firearms are decorated using engraving, gold, silver, etc. To hold one of these pieces of artwork in your hands is indescribable. They are true works of art and sell for many bucks. Some of the older ones from the 18th century fetch many hundreds of dollars

Originally posted by vikaTae:

What if you didn’t know which house had the armed occupant. You now have a 50/50 chance of getting shot. Are you going to go on to the next block or take your chances?

No, you’re going to wait until they’re out and rob both houses.

Lol, now that is logic!

Originally posted by darkninja210:

Originally posted by vikaTae:

What if you didn’t know which house had the armed occupant. You now have a 50/50 chance of getting shot. Are you going to go on to the next block or take your chances?

No, you’re going to wait until they’re out and rob both houses.

im just curious is that what rapists do?
on topic good luck robbing the 1200 lb safe

http://www.libertysafe.com/videos.php?pid=1698

couldnt even open it up with explosives

Only on Saturday nights. They work all week and have church on Sunday……:-)

Originally posted by jhco50:

1132,

All of the anti-gun posts on this forum make out like guns are bad, but they are not. Weapons come in various forms and guns are but one form. You still have knives, baseball bats, a piece of 4/0 copper wire, etc. You must take the person and not the weapon into the equation.

All of the anti-nuke campaings make it look like nukes are bad. weapons come in various forms and nukes are but one of form. There are still knives, baseball bats, copper wire, sticks, stones, etc. You have to take the person wielding the weapon in the equation.
youseewatididthere?

A crazed gunman in a place where everybody has a gun can still cause more damage then a crazed pointy-stickman in a place where everybody has pointy sticks.

Originally posted by kirdaiht:

Originally posted by jhco50:

1132,

All of the anti-gun posts on this forum make out like guns are bad, but they are not. Weapons come in various forms and guns are but one form. You still have knives, baseball bats, a piece of 4/0 copper wire, etc. You must take the person and not the weapon into the equation.

All of the anti-nuke campaings make it look like nukes are bad. weapons come in various forms and nukes are but one of form. There are still knives, baseball bats, copper wire, sticks, stones, etc. You have to take the person wielding the weapon in the equation.
youseewatididthere?

A crazed gunman in a place where everybody has a gun can still cause more damage then a crazed pointy-stickman in a place where everybody has pointy sticks.

A crazed guman will do more damage if everyone has pointy sticks than if everyone had guns.

Not necessarily true. The more lethal weapons that are in the equation, the greater the chance of incidental casualties.

Crazed gunmans are rare in places where guns require special permits.

Originally posted by jhco50:

1132,

The world black market is different from the local black markets. If you are in Denver, you can go down to 17th and Colfax and pick up what you want (not just guns) any night of the week.

Wait a second, you know a place where anyone can buy Guns from the black market? I am guessing if you know about this place the Police knows about it too, so why does this place still exist?

Originally posted by JohnnyBeGood:

Originally posted by jhco50:

1132,

The world black market is different from the local black markets. If you are in Denver, you can go down to 17th and Colfax and pick up what you want (not just guns) any night of the week.

Wait a second, you know a place where anyone can buy Guns from the black market? I am guessing if you know about this place the Police knows about it too, so why does this place still exist?

stop snitchin

Originally posted by JohnnyBeGood:

Originally posted by jhco50:

1132,

The world black market is different from the local black markets. If you are in Denver, you can go down to 17th and Colfax and pick up what you want (not just guns) any night of the week.

Wait a second, you know a place where anyone can buy Guns from the black market? I am guessing if you know about this place the Police knows about it too, so why does this place still exist?

I doubt the police do. What Jhco is saying I think, is that he’s been there and purchased guns there.

Well they know about it now. Anonymous tips are the best.

Originally posted by Spaghedeity:

Well they know about it now. Anonymous tips are the best.

sigh again americans especially the criminally involved and a fair amount of the younger generation have a stigma against reporting crime to police ie the stop snitchin campaign……helping to keep murderers and drug dealers in your neighborhood

Dark, what you just said is that young criminals have a stigma against reporting crimes to the police.

No, really? Gosh, imagine that…

All of the young criminals I know are very upstanding members of society. They not only commit the crimes; they then go and report them, turning in any illegally gotten goods. They are then congratulated by having access to work in community service events, and sometimes even free housing in the Juvenile Detention Centers. :3…

sigh again americans especially the criminally involved and a fair amount of the younger generation have a stigma against reporting crime to police ie the stop snitchin campaign……helping to keep murderers and drug dealers in your neighborhood

I thought you were joking the first time around, so I didn’t reply. Why is this? Why would you want to keep crime in your neighbourhood?

Originally posted by vikaTae:

Dark, what you just said is that young criminals have a stigma against reporting crimes to the police.

No, really? Gosh, imagine that…

no actual i said criminals AND a fair amount of youngsters with many of them not being criminals but are suffocated by this stigma b/c its “cool”

Originally posted by Darkruler2005:

sigh again americans especially the criminally involved and a fair amount of the younger generation have a stigma against reporting crime to police ie the stop snitchin campaign……helping to keep murderers and drug dealers in your neighborhood

I thought you were joking the first time around, so I didn’t reply. Why is this? Why would you want to keep crime in your neighbourhood?

i wouldnt i dont understand it i just know it happens http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Snitchin%27 might be a good start but stop snitchin affects low income areas with very low reported crime rates that and many people of all ages dont like talking to police for whatever reason but it culminates in way under reported crimes and criminals gangs ect having free reign in certain areas