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Originally posted by SinisterSnake:

All we can do is hope that they are in a better place.

Dead and under the ground being eaten by worms or in ashes in a filthy river or left in building to be eaten by vultures.
Yeah better place, right.

 
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Originally posted by AirmanAlex:

I Think Suicide is bad, unless your actually going through Severe Physical Pain, not emotional.

But I don’t believe that its wrong, i was raised Catholic, and was always taught, you commit suicide you go to hell.
Well, why? A lot of people who commit suicide, arnt thinking straight, and make a bad choice. So a all forgiving god would punish you for that? (Im not a catholic anymore, nor do i believe in heaven/hell)

what if you know that everyone in the world is a bad person and the only thing stopping most from murder and theft is the enslavement of people through “laws”.
your not in physical pain, but you are enlightened.
is it okay then?

 
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Originally posted by thepunisher52:
Originally posted by SinisterSnake:

All we can do is hope that they are in a better place.

Dead and under the ground being eaten by worms or in ashes in a filthy river or left in building to be eaten by vultures.
Yeah better place, right.

Their body is eaten by worms. Their remains are in a filthy river. Their corpse is left in a building. There’s no way of knowing that your assumption—that A, they experience the pain and dishonour dealt to their body after death, and B, the person who was killed would even care—is as true as my assumption that whatever life the person once had has since departed their body. There are people who report a presence leaving the air as people die. Whether that’s true or just a feeling a person experiences when confronted by a harsh reality remains to be confirmed.

Until more light is shed upon the subject, I’d rather think of those who’ve past on as being happy in what happens after death. I don’t think people should commit suicide. If a person really feels suicide is necessary, then fine. That’s their choice. But when my friends pass away, I want to remember all the sweet times we had together. Even if they suck a bullet, I’d rather they find some solace in death as opposed to suffering. You might believe that death sucks and just results in more suffering than we must endure in life. Perhaps that is true; we have no real way of confirming it either way. But people ending up in a more desirable place is a better outcome in my mind. Therefore I’d rather believe in that until I know for sure the opposite is true.

 
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Yeah they should be allowed to. There are too many people on this planet anyways and alot of jerks.

 
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If you are in extreme mental or physical pain and there is no way to cure it i think suicide should be allowed if that is what the person wants.

Besides we already put down animals because they are in severe pain so whats the difference if we let humans to do it?

 
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Suicide should not be allowed. Just because one believes they are worthless, or dumb, or unattractive, or whatever reason they conjured up to believe them to the reason to kill themselves, does not mean it is true.

No one is a “jerk” or an “asshole”. We are all just people with the capacity to be a jerk or asshole. I wouldn’t take everything to heart.

 
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Originally posted by noso1928:

Suicide should not be allowed. Just because one believes they are worthless, or dumb, or unattractive, or whatever reason they conjured up to believe them to the reason to kill themselves, does not mean it is true.

No one is a “jerk” or an “asshole”. We are all just people with the capacity to be a jerk or asshole. I wouldn’t take everything to heart.

What if the reason that has been ‘conjured up’ is that someone is in chronic and incurable pain, or faces a decline into a dehabilitating humiliating state.

Teenagers that get bullied are not the only people who consider suicide. The reasons you suggested are, as you say, temporary and not very good reasons for taking ones life, however they are not the only reasons and some reasons are much more understandable and reasonable

 
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Originally posted by noso1928:

Suicide should not be allowed.

People put animals down when they’re in severe pain, so why isn’t that option available to humans? If a person is in terrible physical or emotional pain, an option for suicide should become available after therapy. After all, nobody has the right to tell you how to live your life, so why should they have the right to tell you not to end it?

 
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Originally posted by JunkAngel:

People put animals down when they’re in severe pain, so why isn’t that option available to humans?

It is. Assisted suicide is an option in one US state, and a handful of other countries.

The problem is, from a religious perspective assisting a suicide is an unacceptable, sinful thing. So we have to overcome the old way of looking at things in order to allow it to more individuals.

Assisted suicide is only used when the pain is incurable, and the disease progressive. Or when there is no pain, but the disease will take the person’s mind and leave an empty shell. It is used when at least two specialist consultants and the patient all agree it is in the patient’s best interests.

 
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Originally posted by dd790:
Originally posted by noso1928:

Suicide should not be allowed. Just because one believes they are worthless, or dumb, or unattractive, or whatever reason they conjured up to believe them to the reason to kill themselves, does not mean it is true.

No one is a “jerk” or an “asshole”. We are all just people with the capacity to be a jerk or asshole. I wouldn’t take everything to heart.

What if the reason that has been ‘conjured up’ is that someone is in chronic and incurable pain, or faces a decline into a rehabilitating humiliating state.

Teenagers that get bullied are not the only people who consider suicide. The reasons you suggested are, as you say, temporary and not very good reasons for taking ones life, however they are not the only reasons and some reasons are much more understandable and reasonable

Very true, there are many reasons to take your own life. All of which are stupid. I just gave an example. Wanting to commit suicide is a mental disorder, and there is counseling for mental disorders.

 
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Originally posted by noso1928:

Very true, there are many reasons to take your own life. All of which are stupid. I just gave an example. Wanting to commit suicide is a mental disorder, and there is counseling for mental disorders.

You didn’t even read dd790’s post, did you?

 
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Originally posted by vikaTae:
Originally posted by JunkAngel:

People put animals down when they’re in severe pain, so why isn’t that option available to humans?

It is. Assisted suicide is an option in one US state, and a handful of other countries.

It’s illegal in the other countries though, people don’t just consider suicide in the US.

 
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No they do. The whole Death with Dignity act centers round giving the terminally ill, a chance to end their lives with dignity in the face of incurable degenerative disease.

The whole point of the law was to provide immunisation from prosecution for them and for the persons who aid them.

Other countries are slowly coming round to the idea that dying with some dignity is a valid choice when the alternative is dying as an incontinent vegetable with your mind completely stripped bare. It’s not a solution for every circumstance, but it is a solution when the condition you are saddled with is one which will strip your identity, and what would essentially be your soul if you believe in such (otherwise your spirit, your mind, your memories), piece by piece until there is nothing left – then allow you to die some time after that’s all gone and your body is an empty husk.

Death with Dignity is an option only in these extreme circumstances. It is one of the few occasions when contemplating suicide is not evidence of a mental illness, but rather a sane and rational choice when faced with the mockery your condition will otherwise make of your ending days. Part of the process is in fact, a psychological evaluation of the patient, and confirmation they are in their right mind. Another part of it is confirmation by multiple specialists that in fact the condition is irreversable and debilitating, and will reduce the individual’s standard of living to zero, long before it lets them die.