Occupy Wallstreet is still going on

How come they are still marching ? Awesome, but where to?

I’ve suggested this: “Stop political parties from receiving private donations” I think this way all of these costs could be spared.

Edit: Ok, just read a thread from RighteousAm pointing out that I’ve been BREAKING MAJOR RULES! I say, thank you because I don’t like it when I’m breaking rules, its harder to do it by the rules than not. So, I’m sorry.

I think the Occupy Movement could’ve done better if they focus on the agenda of making state funded political parties. The reason, well because public policies have been influenced by people who seemed to not in terms of bettering the lives of humanity. If there were no game of who’s more popular, parties could focus more on who’s more competent. If all parties were given equal amount of time to appear on tv, equal amounts of time to appear on billboards, and on radios, they would just focus on the content.
Also it’d be easier for the people to make decisions based on their pure judgement because the mass media would less likely be there to spread political propagandas among viewers.
The existence of Internet and other free media makes it really unnecessary for all that spending on public campaigns. People could get all of their informations from the net, all you have to do is to create an official site.
But then there’s also a problem if the big riches were not part of politics, they might look for other ways to influence the energy of the people, because that’s just what you do if you’ve lost touch with humanity… you’d be looking for more and more power for your own.

I don’t know why they are still marching. The average person on the street doesn’t really know what it was all about the first time.

You can’t stop private donations to the parties. That would leave only the money people and their organizations to sway the elections with large sums of money.

Originally posted by jhco50:

I don’t know why they are still marching. The average person on the street doesn’t really know what it was all about the first time.

Since when have protesters ever known shit? They see something is wrong and they protest in reaction. Like the Tea Party movement named themselves after a tax revolt and yet only 2% of them were able to correctly identify what had happened to the taxes. Or the Kony 2012 movement where people demanded we go and kill some guy that may in fact be dead already and that is no longer active as far as we know. What a good way to stop deaths right? Pattern seems to show that protesters don’t really know much and have no real solutions to offer, but the fact that there are so many groups protest does in fact show that there is a problem doesn’t it? And I have to be honest, while I don’t think all of the Occupy movement has a grasp on what is happening, I have been more impressed with it than most of these protest movements.

Originally posted by jhco50:

I don’t know why they are still marching. The average person on the street doesn’t really know what it was all about the first time.

You can’t stop private donations to the parties. That would leave only the money people and their organizations to sway the elections with large sums of money.

That really makes sense, but its also illegal. And I could just take the money from both parties, and choose whatever I think is good.
Without private donations, the public could truly become the boss of the government.

Originally posted by Sleepallnight:
Without private donations, the public could truly become the boss of the government.

Wow, wouldn’t that be nice. If I’m not mistaken, Occupy (fill in the blank) is protesting big business, because honestly they are turning into corrupt shits. Last year they had Occupy Pueblo, and this isn’t even a very big town; they were protesting in front of Wells Fargo, and encouraging people to close their accounts. When big business feels it has a captive audience (Wells Fargo, Chase, B of A, etc) they take the liberty to screw even the most loyal of their customers.

Without private donations, the public could truly become the boss of the government.

Yeah, when the public is banned from donating money to the candidates they support they can finally have full say in government. That statement makes a lot of sense. I am totally for capping private donations so that people with mass amounts of money don’t have significantly more voice, but private donations does not only include big “evil” corporations. It includes the entire public.

Originally posted by Stiltonchees:

Without private donations, the public could truly become the boss of the government.

Yeah, when the public is banned from donating money to the candidates they support they can finally have full say in government. That statement makes a lot of sense. I am totally for capping private donations so that people with mass amounts of money don’t have significantly more voice, but private donations does not only include big “evil” corporations. It includes the entire public.

Yes, you’re right. So the rule should be tailored more or less like this:
1. Organizations could apply to become political parties and would have to meet some requirements
2. After they’ve become political parties, the government would allocate budgets to finance their campaigns. And the number was equal for all political parties.
3. Public Network stations would allocate equal amounts of time for each to campaign.
4. They post their use of the budgets in an audited financial statement to the public.

For independents they must participate in the political parties first before they could run for office. In this matter I haven’t been able to think of any better ways of doing it.

Originally posted by Twilight_Ninja:

Originally posted by Sleepallnight:
Without private donations, the public could truly become the boss of the government.

Wow, wouldn’t that be nice. If I’m not mistaken, Occupy (fill in the blank) is protesting big business, because honestly they are turning into corrupt shits. Last year they had Occupy Pueblo, and this isn’t even a very big town; they were protesting in front of Wells Fargo, and encouraging people to close their accounts. When big business feels it has a captive audience (Wells Fargo, Chase, B of A, etc) they take the liberty to screw even the most loyal of their customers.

Yah, when they are too big they started to mess around with fundamentals of the society. I don’t have proof but that’s how they’re perceived.

2. After they’ve become political parties, the government would allocate budgets to finance their campaigns. And the number was equal for all political parties.
3. Public Network stations would allocate equal amounts of time for each to campaign.

Your rules are so flawed.

Some opinions are innately better than others and should be given more attention.

Occupy update: New Heaven,

http://my.firedoglake.com/bsonenstein/2012/03/27/occupy-new-haven-needs-your-help-again-tomorrow/

Originally posted by Someguyinworld:

2. After they’ve become political parties, the government would allocate budgets to finance their campaigns. And the number was equal for all political parties.
3. Public Network stations would allocate equal amounts of time for each to campaign.

Your rules are so flawed.

Some opinions are innately better than others and should be given more attention.

Alright.

Originally posted by Stiltonchees:

Without private donations, the public could truly become the boss of the government.

Yeah, when the public is banned from donating money to the candidates they support they can finally have full say in government. That statement makes a lot of sense. I am totally for capping private donations so that people with mass amounts of money don’t have significantly more voice, but private donations does not only include big “evil” corporations. It includes the entire public.

I’m replying to stiltonchees: “It includes the entire public”. Therefore the sole source of funding for political parties should only came from the government. Taxpayers’ money.

NO! Taxpayers should not fund elections. Taxpayers are not an infinite bottomless hole filled with money. I wish people could realize this. We are taxed to our limits now and can’t take much more of this insensate drain.

Originally posted by jhco50:

NO! Taxpayers should not fund elections.

Actually for one of those rare occasions I actually agree with you. Unfortunately tax payers already sort of do because of the fact that people re-running in congress can use taxpayer money for their campaigns while the challengers cannot. It’s really dumb.

@jhco50 and Stiltonchees
Here’s a link to a british conservative talking about the issue;
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/platform/2011/11/priti-patel-mp-state-funding-of-political-parties-cannot-be-morally-justified-to-the-public-and-to-p.html

If you read on the comments, there’s an idea to let voters tick on the decision whether to give 3pounds of their tax money to a political party or not.
I think this is not a bad idea. Its better than just letting big companies control government decisions.

The root cause of this election and money problem is that the networks, which were granted leases of publicly owned airwaves, are no longer held to certain ideas that came along with those leases.
Providing a set amount of time to candidates during an election cycle for clean, fact-based advertising, in addition to airing debates, would clear up a lot of the cost that is associated with a modern political campaign.

But doing so would affect profit margins for the networks. Boo hoo.

Take the big money out of elections, and let the taxpayers fund the substantially lower costs that result. We’re not talking massive lavish dinners here; we’re talking about funding logistics such as transportation and security. Stop allowing venues to charge rental fees. Basically, cut all the greed and avarice out of the campaign cycle.
Do it all in the name of democracy and its free practice.

Originally posted by softest_voice:

Take the big money out of elections, and let the taxpayers fund the substantially lower costs that result. We’re not talking massive lavish dinners here; we’re talking about funding logistics such as transportation and security. Stop allowing venues to charge rental fees. Basically, cut all the greed and avarice out of the campaign cycle.
Do it all in the name of democracy and its free practice.

I agree.

Originally posted by Sleepallnight:

Yah, when they are too big they started to mess around with fundamentals of the society. I don’t have proof but that’s how they’re perceived.

It’s not going to be long before we pull out of Wells Fargo ourselves; I’ll say that our days with them are numbered. I think I’ve been with them since 1996 or something, we’ve been great customers, but they just keep passing new policies to put the screws to everyone. They used to give loans for a state budget crisis in California, and in 2010 they stopped doing that. We had an overdraft line of credit that was 22,000, and in 2011 they abruptly dropped it to 2,200 with heavy interest and overdraft penalties. Honestly, the only thing keeping me with them now is force of habit and the fact that changing over would require me to undo and redo a lot of bill autodrafts I have set up. But if they start charging for (free) checking, I’m out.

@Twilight_Ninja
Wow, thank you, you don’t have to share all that, when I say proove I mean scientific proof or journalism. But really thanks anyway, and just reminding you be careful since you’re on the internet.

Originally posted by Sleepallnight:

But really thanks anyway, and just reminding you be careful since you’re on the internet.

….um, you’re welcome, but I didn’t put anything serious out there like my social sec # or bank account number :-) I dunno, I thought all the rest was just common knowledge stuff.

Sounds like it’s time for a certain group of people (cough OWS cough) to get a fucking job. I’m sick of hearing about ’em. God I hate hippies.

Originally posted by scoopolard:

Sounds like it’s time for a certain group of people (cough OWS cough) to get a fucking job. I’m sick of hearing about ’em. God I hate hippies.

It would probably be a whoooooole lot easier to get one of those “job thingies” if there wasn’t so many of them SHIPPED TO OTHER COUNTRIES…..eh?

Why be “sick” of them? They are only the messengers….do YOU have even a inkling of what their protest is all about? Well, obviously YOU don’t…..that is unless YOU are one of the 1%. And, a little birdie told me that YOU weren’t.

Most of us propably have a great dislike of that which we have an extremely limited knowledge of….even those things which could be veeerrrry beneficial to us. Gawd how easily the ignorant are manipulated by that 1%…..actually going over the cliff at the behest of their “pied pipers” of fucking lying radio hosts & Faux News.

Hippies..eh? Yeah, those who participated in protests against a war that served ONLY those who were military suppliers…..sound familiar?….wanna know how much our recent//current wars are costing us?….wanna know why “hippies” are against senseless//needless killing of kids in those wars?

It looks like someone couldn’t find a clue w/ both hands and a good flashlight. I’ve often found that ppl who so adamantly “hate” something are typically those who have a very poor understanding of the entire issue.

Originally posted by karmakoolkid:

Originally posted by scoopolard:

Sounds like it’s time for a certain group of people (cough OWS cough) to get a fucking job. I’m sick of hearing about ’em. God I hate hippies.

It would probably be a whoooooole lot easier to get one of those “job thingies” if there wasn’t so many of them SHIPPED TO OTHER COUNTRIES…..eh?

Why be “sick” of them? They are only the messengers….do YOU have even a inkling of what their protest is all about? Well, obviously YOU don’t…..that is unless YOU are one of the 1%. And, a little birdie told me that YOU weren’t.

Most of us propably have a great dislike of that which we have an extremely limited knowledge of….even those things which could be veeerrrry beneficial to us. Gawd how easily the ignorant are manipulated by that 1%…..actually going over the cliff at the behest of their “pied pipers” of fucking lying radio hosts & Faux News.

Hippies..eh? Yeah, those who participated in protests against a war that served ONLY those who were military suppliers…..sound familiar?….wanna know how much our recent//current wars are costing us?….wanna know why “hippies” are against senseless//needless killing of kids in those wars?

It looks like someone couldn’t find a clue w/ both hands and a good flashlight. I’ve often found that ppl who so adamantly “hate” something are typically those who have a very poor understanding of the entire issue.

Look man, if I can get a job without a cell phone and without listing myself as a high school graduate, I’m sure they can find SOMETHING. Jesus…all’s I’m asking is that they try. Standing out in a public space for over half a bloody year is not trying.

I would like to know what they’re protesting…but I don’t think that even they know what they’re protesting about…much less you.

You do realize that you libtards have control of the media, right? You can literally manipulate all the ignorant people you want. And it worked. The result is a mass gathering of over-emotional, teenage-angst filled, morons conglomerating in a public space without the slightest clue as to why they’re there (if you don’t believe me, I’ve got dozens of YouTube videos for you…they literally have no fucking idea why they’re there).

Yes. Hippies.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/vUnzT.jpg[/IMG]
And these hippies don’t even have the peace-loving stigma that the 60’s hippies had. These hippies are just there protesting shit they either A) Don’t understand or B) Don’t care to understand.

Hmmm…with that logic, your hatred of conservatism comes from a simple lack of understanding and ignorance.

Eeewwwww….ever so “touchy” about this….eh?

First: You & jhco just have to stop this crap of: If I can do it,,,ANYONE can. YOUR PERSONAL little slice of the HUUUUUUUGGGGGgggggggeeeeeee American Apple Pie might or might NOT “represent” near as much as YOU want//believe it does. THAT is “ignorance” # One.

Second: Yes, I can well imagine that YOU ""would like to know what they’re protesting". It’s been poignantly obvious from what I’ve seen of your postings on issues here on this forum….that YOU most certainly do have this proclivity to have a rather “limited” grasp of the WHOLE of the issue. So, I’d pretty much say this is ignorance # two.

Third: I highly doubt that YOU actually know very much about the 60’s “hippies”,,,,nor to YOU—OBVIOUSLY—have a grasp of the issues of today that are being protested. AND, you & jhco just just to stop w/ this manic hyperbolization of EVERYTHING (did ya see my example there?). As in any protest, etc.,,,,there are leaders (who very likely DO KNOW what is being protested) and then ripples spreading from them as in a stone cast into a pond. Those at the outer ripples usually don’t know shit…..they just like to party,,,,lol. AND, they will stay long after the “hosts” have moved on.

YOU know,,,just like what so many radical conservatives do. When put on the spot, they really can’t tell ya much at all about their philosophical, political, ideological core beliefs. YOU are showing us some of this on the very issue in this tread. Ignorance # three.

Four: Even though it is just another hyperbole….I DO NOT ""hate conservatism"". In fact, there are numerous areas that I would be considered to have conservative thoughts. At least along the lines of “Barry Goldwater”: http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/about/Goldwater.html And, this thinking If ya want more of what makes me think like a TRUE “conservative” on many issues…..google him and ya might “learn” something. Perhaps even lessening ignorance # four.

with private funding, there’s way more money (and thus labour) spent on something that does not benifit society, so it’s a far greater cost than budget limits.

Originally posted by karmakoolkid:

Eeewwwww….ever so “touchy” about this….eh?

First: You & jhco just have to stop this crap of: If I can do it,,,ANYONE can. YOUR PERSONAL little slice of the HUUUUUUUGGGGGgggggggeeeeeee American Apple Pie might or might NOT “represent” near as much as YOU want//believe it does. THAT is “ignorance” # One.

Second: Yes, I can well imagine that YOU ""would like to know what they’re protesting". It’s been poignantly obvious from what I’ve seen of your postings on issues here on this forum….that YOU most certainly do have this proclivity to have a rather “limited” grasp of the WHOLE of the issue. So, I’d pretty much say this is ignorance # two.

Third: I highly doubt that YOU actually know very much about the 60’s “hippies”,,,,nor to YOU—OBVIOUSLY—have a grasp of the issues of today that are being protested. AND, you & jhco just just to stop w/ this manic hyperbolization of EVERYTHING (did ya see my example there?). As in any protest, etc.,,,,there are leaders (who very likely DO KNOW what is being protested) and then ripples spreading from them as in a stone cast into a pond. Those at the outer ripples usually don’t know shit…..they just like to party,,,,lol. AND, they will stay long after the “hosts” have moved on.

YOU know,,,just like what so many radical conservatives do. When put on the spot, they really can’t tell ya much at all about their philosophical, political, ideological core beliefs. YOU are showing us some of this on the very issue in this tread. Ignorance # three.

Four: Even though it is just another hyperbole….I DO NOT ""hate conservatism"". In fact, there are numerous areas that I would be considered to have conservative thoughts. At least along the lines of “Barry Goldwater”: http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/about/Goldwater.html And, this thinking If ya want more of what makes me think like a TRUE “conservative” on many issues…..google him and ya might “learn” something. Perhaps even lessening ignorance # four.

Touchy? Nah. I’m good. I’m not the one using caps lock and excessive punctuation.

Irrelevant rant #1: Sorry if I feel that personal responsibility is a trait that Americans need to have more of. Yes, some circumstances that some ppl experience blow ass, but I don’t think that excuses millions of people who have been sitting in a public area for half a bloody year now. It ain’t that hard to get a job…trust me.

Irrelevant rant #2: No. I’m serious. Nobody there has a fucking clue as to why they’re occupying Wall Street. Watch these. All of them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaZF4FJ2eUA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SwKxUz7osM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KurgemG4H5c&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD5luu_UTzc&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGL-Ex1CD1c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2edXIiGoVo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Oh_-x3-Wc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0qkbQfszp0&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWfGKt0aZLI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZjWFHjO4Y&feature=related

Don’t worry. I’ve got soooooo many more than just these. And hang on…I’m going to find you a crime report really quick:
http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2011/11/occupy-wall-street-document-record-of.html
That’s an old list too. And those are just the violent crimes.

Irrelevant rant #3: Ummmmmm…what? How does this even REMOTELY correlate to ANYTHING? I could give a fuck less about the 60’s hippies. I was just making a point that at least they MAY have had SOMETHING respectable about them (although that may be a tad stretch of logic), and that the OWS hippies had NOTHING respectable about them.

facepalm Karma, you and I both know damn well I can articulate my positions in a fairly logical fashion…and I don’t really know where you got that fact about conservatives from either…however, I don’t really see where this is coming into play in this argument at all. This argument does not call for my political positions or anything like that. I just don’t like whiny, leftist, hippies camping out on a public area with no real purpose.

Irrelevant rant #4: I believe you have, on more than one occasion, stated that you have a strong disdain for those of us to the right of the political spectrum.

Originally posted by karmakoolkid:

Eeewwwww….ever so “touchy” about this….eh?

First: You & jhco just have to stop this crap of: If I can do it,,,ANYONE can. YOUR PERSONAL little slice of the HUUUUUUUGGGGGgggggggeeeeeee American Apple Pie might or might NOT “represent” near as much as YOU want//believe it does. THAT is “ignorance” # One.

Second: Yes, I can well imagine that YOU ""would like to know what they’re protesting". It’s been poignantly obvious from what I’ve seen of your postings on issues here on this forum….that YOU most certainly do have this proclivity to have a rather “limited” grasp of the WHOLE of the issue. So, I’d pretty much say this is ignorance # two.

Third: I highly doubt that YOU actually know very much about the 60’s “hippies”,,,,nor to YOU—OBVIOUSLY—have a grasp of the issues of today that are being protested. AND, you & jhco just just to stop w/ this manic hyperbolization of EVERYTHING (did ya see my example there?). As in any protest, etc.,,,,there are leaders (who very likely DO KNOW what is being protested) and then ripples spreading from them as in a stone cast into a pond. Those at the outer ripples usually don’t know shit…..they just like to party,,,,lol. AND, they will stay long after the “hosts” have moved on.

YOU know,,,just like what so many radical conservatives do. When put on the spot, they really can’t tell ya much at all about their philosophical, political, ideological core beliefs. YOU are showing us some of this on the very issue in this tread. Ignorance # three.

Four: Even though it is just another hyperbole….I DO NOT ""hate conservatism"". In fact, there are numerous areas that I would be considered to have conservative thoughts. At least along the lines of “Barry Goldwater”: http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/about/Goldwater.html And, this thinking If ya want more of what makes me think like a TRUE “conservative” on many issues…..google him and ya might “learn” something. Perhaps even lessening ignorance # four.

Funny how we conservatives are so touchy about the stupidity we see in our everyday lives. OWS is nothing but a bunch of dickheads if they are anything like the ones that were here. They were dirty, morally lacking, liked to attack old ladies walking out of buildings. Real upstanding people. Of course that is not to mention all of the drugs. The police notified all of the indigents that they could get a free meal in the park. I had to laugh at that situation.

Let me ask you if you really know what they are protesting? Is it the make believe 1%? Are they claiming to represent the rest of us…the 99%? Or could it be they are a bunch of young radicals looking for a free ride in life…a typical Liberal trait.

I do know about the 60 hippies. They were morally corrupt dope heads who lived in communes and begged for their food from passerby. Peace loving Liberals. Again, it all falls into that same political type, give me the fruits of your labor so I can sit in my makeshift tent and do dope. I don’t think I ever met one who remembered to bath either. Oh yes, I remember them well.

Radical conservatives? LOL! We are the radicals? Why, because we don’t want to work and give all of our money to the liberals? What is it you want from us radicals Karma? Pay for your home? Buy your condoms? Maybe we should just work and hand all of our money over to you liberals. then we can live in tents and watch our children go hungry and unbathed. That’s it, we can become the hippies you like so much.

As far as expressing our core beliefs, I think we have made those clear. It isn’t ignorance, we are the good guys. The responsible ones who work, raise our families, and contribute to society instead of trying to tear it apart and remake it in the image of Obama.

I’m pretty sure after 60+ years I know the differences between conservatives and liberals.