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Originally posted by jhco50:

Good coffee and good conversation. Yep.>

Wow Karma, You are sure stretching to get a rant, but it just isn’t getting there old guy.

Well, maybe NOT “getting there” to YOU. But, then…YOU are responding…eh?

If I am deciphering your first paragraph correctly, you calling me egotistic…LOL.

NO, I am NOT calling YOU anything. I am describing a particular GROUP who maintains a particular ideology. If the shoe fits….

Then you go on to insult the public for not listening to you and your socialistic demands on them.
YOU show ME where I’ve “insulted” the public for “not listening”. I luv how YOU are so adept at reading much more into somthing than was actually said. BUT, we all have our fortes.

And you think I’m egotistic? Don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back there.

YOU pretty much don’t know what I “think” of ya….other than if ya actually do think the “shoe fits”. Instead of these off-handed insults,,,,why don’t YOU try—FOR ONCE—to actually address the issue instead of diverting attention away from it by using petty “tricks”.

And you managed to get in a dig on conservatives.

ABSOLUTELY FUCKING YES. This is a SERIOUS DISCUSSION FORUM. People are safe…their ideas aren’t. <<<THAT is in the forum rules…read them. I will very passionately INSULT any ideology that causes REAL harm to my fellow Americans. I give a shit what conservative or liberal THINKS….it is WHAT THEY DO w/ said thinking that concerns me. Currently, just as has pointed out by XXXXX (I forget who it was) on this forum, “conservatives” tend to be more for govt. intervention in ppl’s lives than do liberals.

It is amazing how your little mind works.

See….a fine example of how YOU “wedge” insults into your posts in a lame attempt to devalue the merit of another poster. THAT is the kind of shit that gets YOUR posts removed.

We don’t get it, now that is funny.

NO…it isn’t funny. It is very sad to see other ppl being harmed by the stooopidity of a particularly “blind” segment of society. Much like a drunken driver….if they harmed ONLY themselves,,,I’d say “stooopid-cleansing” at its finest. BUT, typically, drunks will kill//injure many others than them selves. If the “blind” conservatives ONLY HURT THEM SELVES….I’d enable this as much as I could.

We do get it and that is why our government is swinging over to a more conservative agenda.

YOU can “believe” what ya need to in order to “stay happy”. YOU will have to show me this “swinging over” thing ya speak of. Sara Palin not ruinning, Michele Bachman & other GOP Presidential hopefuls (ya know, the uber conservative ones) being left far behind the pack…..which pretty much is now down to a NUT JOB of extreeeeem conservatism. He is so faaaarrrrr right that ppl are left w/ only a MORON MORMON {ooops, my bad}…lol

Your guy was a failure, just accept it.

Sorry…no can do. Mostly because,,,by most sensible ratings,,,he has been a huge success. Of course, conservatives are duty bound to see him as a failure….DUH. Plus, he has managed to do this even though the GOP flat out stated that whatever Obama wanted….they would dig in and reject it.

I’m guessing your definition of intelligent is other socialists like you?

Then,,,as w/ soooo many other things ya present on this forum,,,YOU guess WRONGWRONGWRONG. Besides, when are YOU ever going to remember my link that shows there are MANY DIFFERENT KINDS of socialists//socialism? America is very “socialist”…deal w/ it. Don’t ya know what it is to be “sociable”? I know a lot of intelligent ppl….and, I give a shit what their political ideology is. What is of interest, is how such intellect brings them to a particular philosophy. I find that real intelligent ppl pretty much are “apolitical”.

Can you not hold a decent conversation without coming across as a grumpy old man?

Wow…two “insults”. Now ya’re cookin’. Serious discussion isn’t some tea social. I don’t have time to play pattie-cakes w/ similar-minded ppl. I do luv, however, to shed light on idology that is harmful to our society. YOU, on the other hand, do your level best to just throw a turd into the crowd and then run off so ya don’t have to defend//explain//discuss it. This tactic of yours is well known here.
 
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Ron Paul.

Checkmate.

 
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I kind of like Ron Paul’s thinking of most things, but not all. I am surprised he has not done better than he has. I’m not wild about Mitt Romney, but I believe he will be our candidate.

 
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If Mitt Romney wins. Obama wins the election.
If either Newt Gingrich or Ron Paul get the nomination, then there is a strong chance to divide the vote.
A lot of independents would go for Ron Paul, I think. He is something new and different to the same old tired rhetoric that comes form democrats and republicans.
Although, Mitt Romney looks like he might win, but then trusting the media… —who knows :/
(Santorum supposedly lost now?)
Wasn’t Mitt Romney a Democrat for a brief period of time? What are republicans thinking ;)
(A trojan horse Fan’s the flames of the conspiracy)

 
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I think Obama will lose no matter which candidate gets the nomination. His popularity is extremely low and the unemployment hasn’t gone down like he expected.

I don’t know about the rest, but it is interesting to think about.

 
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To respond to some earlier posts,

Johnny – It’s my opinion that government taking money from people by force and spending it on things that aren’t absolutely necessary is wrong. Saying that it’s inefficient is virtually a tautology. The reasons for government inefficiency cannot be solved merely through reforms or management techniques. They are far more fundamental than that.

First, people allocate their money in accordance with their priorities. They buy the things they want most, in accordance with their value scale. When the money is taken from them and spend by someone else, it’s all but certain the things they get are not their top priorities. Government spending is inefficient at delivering to people what they most want right off the bat.

Also, since government gets its revenue by force, it does not have to concern itself whether this really meets demand in the best possible way; or whether the service is worth the price. In fact, it’s impossible to calculate. Governments try things like surveys of “are you happy with X?”, but respondents don’t really have any basis for comparison.

For some real fun we can get into public choice theory, but that’s enough for now. Reforms and management techniques can make marginal improvements, as would having more honest and thrifty politicians. However, real efficiency just isn’t in government’s DNA. There’s a reason government-run industries characteristically hemorrhage money.

 
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Originally posted by Draconavin:

If Mitt Romney wins. Obama wins the election.
If either Newt Gingrich or Ron Paul get the nomination, then there is a strong chance to divide the vote.
A lot of independents would go for Ron Paul, I think. He is something new and different to the same old tired rhetoric that comes form democrats and republicans.
Although, Mitt Romney looks like he might win, but then trusting the media… —who knows :/
(Santorum supposedly lost now?)
Wasn’t Mitt Romney a Democrat for a brief period of time? What are republicans thinking ;)
(A trojan horse Fan’s the flames of the conspiracy)

Yup,,,,like it or not…THAT is pretty much how it is. The GOP convention is going to be reeeal interesting. lol Very likely,,,totally by default,,,Mitt will be the GOP candidate. But, his being a Mormon is already a strike against him. All the flip-flopping he has done will very much haunt him. It will be totally exposed in Presidential debates….of which Obama is extreeeemly adept,,,he is a great orator.

 
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You keep dreaming Karma.

 
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Originally posted by karmakoolkid:

Yup,,,,like it or not…THAT is pretty much how it is. The GOP convention is going to be reeeal interesting. lol Very likely,,,totally by default,,,Mitt will be the GOP candidate. But, his being a Mormon is already a strike against him. All the flip-flopping he has done will very much haunt him. It will be totally exposed in Presidential debates….of which Obama is extreeeemly adept,,,he is a great orator.

Don’t forget the official period of time that was named after him, “The Romney.”

 
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Originally posted by jhco50:

You keep dreaming Karma.

lol,,,, so sorry, but it is going to be YOUR worst nightmare.
It’s be a cake-walk for Obama.
Have ya seen the movie “Game Change”?
Is THAT the kind of ppl we want at the helm of a really big, powerful “ship”?
Currently, the GOP is totally fucked….the wackos have taken over,,,
the fringe is wagging the dog.
The dog (moderates) will go w/ a known “evil” before they will take a chance on a MORMON flip-flopper. Hell, let’s have Sarah P. as his running male……what else could be more perfect?
Ha ha ha ha ha hahhah hahh ah ahah hha hahaha ha.

 
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At least I know I won’t contribute to the hell that will unfold after this election, whether it be by the warmongers or the bankrupters.

 
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I guess you are lucky slasher. The liberals and the conservatives have already chosen sides. Obama’s problem is he has lost the independents, the republicans that switched sides, and many of the democrats from his own party. If you look at the congress you will notice the democrats are trying to seperate themselves from Obama. They were instrumental in getting a lot of Obama’s legislation through the congress, but after seeing the last elections and the extreme turnover of members of the house. The reason for this was to slow down the deficit spending. This was the midterm elections and the Senate, who also lost some members are worried that they may be thrown out. I’m thinking there is a good chance of it. The funny thing is many republicans were ousted as well.

Obama’s popularity is at 41%, which is quite low. 78% of the public think our country is on the wrong road. This includes all political leanings. It is also history that a president has never been reelected with unemployment over 8%. In the last few weeks, he has made demands and insinuations to our Supreme Court, admonished the citizens, and tried to stir up several issues to make the republicans look bad. All of this is against Obama. If, and that is a really big if, he gets reelected it will be either a miracle or a dirty election.

 
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I actually think Obama will beat Romney, though in the process he may set records for lowest approval rating of any president to win reelection. When the GOP picks a wishy-washy moderate who doesn’t generate real excitement, they lose; look at Bob Dole and John McCain. The only real choice, different from the bipartisan warmongering and corporatism, was Ron Paul. The establishment did everything it could to make sure Ron Paul didn’t get the nomination, including fraud in the caucuses. Now, no matter who wins the election, it will barely matter. To answer slasher, they are both warmongers and bankrupters.

 
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they also shot down Rick Perry and Hermann Cain who were both popular. I have to give the democrats credit for digging up enough dirt to ruin a candidate. I’m sure the democrats are only thinking of the welfare of our country and not how much power they can get.

 
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Originally posted by jhco50:

they also shot down Rick Perry and Hermann Cain who were both popular. I have to give the democrats credit for digging up enough dirt to ruin a candidate. I’m sure the democrats are only thinking of the welfare of our country and not how much power they can get.

Near ALL OF the GOP “hopefuls” brought to the table some very obvious issues…..ones that weren’t “buried” all that deep. NO “digging” by anyone was really necessary….maybe a weebit of “dusting off” the crap so it could be seen.

Most of those candidates simply shot them selves in their own foot……just as Sarah Palin did.

 
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Originally posted by karmakoolkid:
Originally posted by jhco50:

they also shot down Rick Perry and Hermann Cain who were both popular. I have to give the democrats credit for digging up enough dirt to ruin a candidate. I’m sure the democrats are only thinking of the welfare of our country and not how much power they can get.

Near ALL OF the GOP “hopefuls” brought to the table some very obvious issues…..ones that weren’t “buried” all that deep. NO “digging” by anyone was really necessary….maybe a weebit of “dusting off” the crap so it could be seen.

Most of those candidates simply shot them selves in their own foot……just as Sarah Palin did.

I don’t think Herman Cain shot himself. I think ridiculous attacks by the liberal media, combined with attacks from “tolerant” Democrats (I think the most popular insult was “uncle Tom”) really undermined him…

 
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I think that the inherent problems with most presidents lies with the role of the presidency itself. The Executive branch was intentionally made the weakest branch by the founding fathers to prevent the rise of a dictator, but back then the only time you ever saw the President was if he was in the papers for some reason or you actually went to go see him. Obviously a lot has changed since then, and the President’s role as head of state, the public figurehead, has grown in importance ever since the first televised presidential debate between Nixon and Kennedy. Now take a look at Congress, and you’ll see that they hold the real power to control the country but the problem is that the entire country doesn’t hold each Senator or Representative accountable for all their actions (with the exception of the rare scandal), usually it’s just one individual state or district that cares about what they do when in fact the entire country should care.

Taking a step back we can see that the system is flawed. The one person that the entire country “agrees” (I use that term loosely) on as a leader is the one that has the least power to really do anything. On the other end we have a bunch of politicians in charge of running the entire country but each one is largely concerned with the welfare of their own states and keeping the voters back there happy.

In conclusion, I think we should put more energy into criticizing the system than we do the people (not that we should stop criticizing the people entirely though). If you ask me I think we need to take a serious look at the Constitution and figure out what’s outdated and what needs to be added to it in order for it to work better in our modern world.

 
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Inatun, the system is not flawed. It is exactly done as planned as far as the distribution of power. At least it is according to our founding documents. Our forefathers put everything in place for a reason. The president is not supposed to be all powerful and do whatever he wants. We have three equal branches of government which equates to checks and balances. One branch doesn’t have power over the others.

With that said, people are wary of who we elect to office. for awhile we let just about anyone who run for office be elected and it has cost us. This election cycle the people have woken up and you will see major changes. It started with the mid-term elections. Obama has had a hay-day and spent like a drunken sailor. The people seeing where this was going elected a republican house. You see, all bills pertaining to revenue originate in the house. The voter effectively slowed down the spending.

The next election seems clear to me. We may take control of the senate and I’m pretty sure we will change presidents. This is how we legally change the direction of our country.

 
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Originally posted by jhco50:

Inatun, the system is not flawed. It is exactly done as planned as far as the distribution of power. At least it is according to our founding documents. Our forefathers put everything in place for a reason. The president is not supposed to be all powerful and do whatever he wants. We have three equal branches of government which equates to checks and balances. One branch doesn’t have power over the others.

So, just what part of what ya're saying above don't ya understand? The President CANNOT be all powerful if these "checks & BALANCES aren't "flawed". The legislative brance (Congress) can impeach the President. The Supreme Court can rule s/he is acting in a manner not Constitutional.
With that said, people are wary of who we elect to office.
NO, only SOME ppl are wary. Most ppl either don't care about voting,,,or they haven't a clue about politics,,,or, they--like YOU--have an inordinagely skewed view of it (at least on the issues YOU speak of in this forum).
for awhile we let just about anyone who run for office be elected and it has cost us.
Yes, Bush & company--the wealthy's lackies--killed regulations & oversights, gave them tax breaks, stuffed the pockets of the wealthy who profited by a very, VERY expensive war. THAT is what has cost us dearly.
This election cycle the people have woken up and you will see major changes. It started with the mid-term elections.
Yes, those nuts (Tea Party) will be tossed out. The "do-nothing" Republicans will be tossed. A lot of light has been shown on the 1% and how the Republicans are their lackies. Debates between Romney & Obama will clearly expose & define this "haves & have-nots". THAT is why I say too many ppl (cough..Republican "conservatives"..cough) vote against their own "have-very littile" interests. How can the rich be getting richer? They certainly aren't getting the bulk of it from the poor. So, gues where it comes from.....yeah, the pockets of the middle class. Duh.
Obama has had a hay-day and spent like a drunken sailor. The people seeing where this was going elected a republican house. You see, all bills pertaining to revenue originate in the house. The voter effectively slowed down the spending.
Obama this...Obama that. Such a bias against the wrong branch of the govt....good grief. He didn't do ANYTHING the Congress didn't originate, pass, etc. Nothing was done that didn't need be done in order to save America from a deep, DEEP depression.....one caused by the drunken actions of Bush.
The next election seems clear to me.
LOL...I well imagine it does. Ppl tend to take desire & see it as fact.
We may take control of the senate and I’m pretty sure we will change presidents. This is how we legally change the direction of our country.

Democrats will retake the House. And, remember (not meaning you, jhco)...the House has elections for every "seat" every 2 years,,,,the Senate is elected for 6 year terms. BUT, their elections are stagered...only one-third of them go up for election every two years. That is why YOU are saying that Republicans MIGHT gain control of the Senate.

BUT, the mid-term (the name given to the election between Presidential elections--every 4 yrs.)--which gave the House a Republican majority--had citizens realing from the mess Bush left. The (mostly?) ignorant population "knee-jerked" and it amounted to a kick-in-the-pants for who (Obama) ever was in the position (President Bush) that caused the problem. Things has "smoothed out" enough at this time for Obama to be much, MUCH more palatable to the ppl than Romney can ever hope to be....other than for the stanch Republican base. The many moderates (and the Black vote) will keep Obama in office.

If nothing else....it boils down to: It is far better to stick w/ a known "evil" than to aquire a new, unknown one.

 
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Karma, I tried to format one of your posts the other day and it was a nightmare. Suffice it to say, I don’t care to spend an hour posting a reply in the form you would like.

I understand what works and what doesn’t work and the Constitution being the document that defined our government works, or has basically worked. The president can have more power than he is supposed to have, since congress has given him some of their powers. The president cannot declare war, that is congresses job, but they have let the president declare war without their approval…Bush’s term. Now Obama has used this power in Libya, except Obama went one step farther and let Nato declare war for us and command our forces. Highly irregular and not constitutional.

We don’t have 100% voter turnout, so we have a certain level of voters who do make the decisions. I will be honest and say this is a sad thing, but it is what we work with.

I have noticed how liberals can never take responsibility for anything. They always have to blame someone or something else for all of their woes, you included. Obama has made this an art form. Always claiming I inherited this, Bush did this or that, the oil companies are to blame, it’s the 1%‘s fault, big business is our unemployment woes…why he has even blamed the workers for being out of work. What is it that, you can’t admit when you or your policies just failed? Admit it and step back and try something else. But you guys don’t work that way, do you. Even though Obama’s policies have caused the deepest recession since the Great Depression, he, nor you, can admit that our country is in deep trouble. Your liberal retoric is so tiring and I hate to see you push for things “against your own interests”.

The name calling is tiresome as well. Think about the rhetoric you are always espousing innuendos and little digs against all who disagree with you people, you included. I think what really amazes me is the hypocracy shown by the left. While claiming to be for the little guy and constantly degrading them while making yourselves seem important. In reality, we on the other side look upon the democrats with disbelief of their conceit.

Karma, I and others are laying the blame squarely where it belongs, on a socialistic leaning president who is unable to to right by our country. Obama has failed on so many levels I really couldn’t list them all. Now, I must ask you this, if Obama has been doing such a good job, why did the house go to the conservatives in the first place? Are you going to tell me this was an accident? That people accidentally pulled the wrong lever? Maybe it’s like that hanging chad incident perpetrated by the Democrats a few years ago.

Democrats have tried for years to create the perfect storm in which to push their agenda. They wanted both houses and the presidency so they could advance their radical ideals. They got it and worked feverishly to implement all they could in the short time they wielded this power. For two long (long for those of us who were helpless to stop the madness) years they pulled every dirty trick in the book to set the government up as a totalitarian system… and them as the kings and queens in charge. I must admit, they have come very close. However, the people caught them and this radical left will be dealt with, one way or another.

 
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Originally posted by jhco50:

Karma, I tried to format one of your posts the other day and it was a nightmare. Suffice it to say, I don’t care to spend an hour posting a reply in the form you would like.

I"ve said it before…it’s really easy,,,just have one of those loving kids of yours show ya how…eh?

I understand what works and what doesn’t work and the Constitution being the document that defined our government works, or has basically worked.

Daaayyumm….then I suggest ya run to the nearest university and become a Constitutional professor. I guess we can call this: The Constitutional Gospet according to jhco.

The president can have more power than he is supposed to have, since congress has given him some of their powers. The president cannot declare war, that is congresses job, but they have let the president declare war without their approval…Bush’s term.

Is this “supposed to have” merely something YOU declare? Should we maybe notify the Supreme Court about this? OR,,,could it be that as our society//the world evolved and became…..well, shit, jhco…I’ve already covered this w/ YOU before. Keep up w/ us…YOU doing a whirling Dirvish of same-0, same-0 rhetoric is now beyond insane. YOU appear to be little more than a parot for Fox Snooze & the “conservative” talk-radio show hosts. YOU almost are verbatum of the lame-ass crap they spew.

Now Obama has used this power in Libya, except Obama went one step farther and let Nato declare war for us and command our forces. Highly irregular and not constitutional.

I haven’t a clue if this is “irregular” or not. Howzzabout YOU present something to back up some of YOUR offerings some time….eh?

We don’t have 100% voter turnout, so we have a certain level of voters who do make the decisions. I will be honest and say this is a sad thing, but it is what we work with.

Nah, it would scare the shit outta me if the average person voted. Some twenty years ago, the religious zealots realized they could garner huge influence by becoming politically active and voting in their ilk of candidates. This, along w/ the NRA & the idiotic belief that “we need the rich”, is much of what the GOP’s base now is.

I have noticed how liberals can never take responsibility for anything. They always have to blame someone or something else for all of their woes, you included.

Ya know, I’m done talking w/ YOU. I’ve pointed out just how insane using the hyperbole is….how it renders any sensible point to be little more than childish prattle. Yet, YOU can’t speak of any serious issue w/out massive “emblishment” and total exageration. How am I supposed to have any respect for your opinions when YOU can’t be realistic w/ them?

Obama has made this an art form. Always claiming I inherited this, Bush did this or that, the oil companies are to blame, it’s the 1%‘s fault, big business is our unemployment woes…why he has even blamed the workers for being out of work. What is it that, you can’t admit when you or your policies just failed? Admit it and step back and try something else. But you guys don’t work that way, do you. Even though Obama’s policies have caused the deepest recession since the Great Depression, he, nor you, can admit that our country is in deep trouble. Your liberal retoric is so tiring and I hate to see you push for things “against your own interests”.

YUP…all of that pretty much sounds EXACTLY like what the “conservative” pundits spew….half-truths,, twisted & spun facts,,unfair comparatives,,etc.
BUT, it is interesting that many INDEPENDENT sources highly disagree with you here.

The name calling is tiresome as well. Think about the rhetoric you are always espousing innuendos and little digs against all who disagree with you people, you included. I think what really amazes me is the hypocracy shown by the left. While claiming to be for the little guy and constantly degrading them while making yourselves seem important. In reality, we on the other side look upon the democrats with disbelief of their conceit.

Wow…how in the hell do YOU manage to live w/ such pathetic ppl? So, {ALL?} the democrats are conceited? Gud Gawd Gerttie, YOU should get a gig on Fox Snooze.

Karma, I and others are laying the blame squarely where it belongs, on a socialistic leaning president who is unable to to right by our country.

Of course the “far right” is doing this….it is what defines them…DUH. AND,,,,NEWSFLASH…America is much more “socialistic” than YOU (obviously) know,,understand,,want to believe.

Obama has failed on so many levels I really couldn’t list them all.

Well, if ya’re gonna sing it…then bring it. Instead of these absurd claims….give us some reputable sources that support your claims.

Now, I must ask you this, if Obama has been doing such a good job, why did the house go to the conservatives in the first place? Are you going to tell me this was an accident? That people accidentally pulled the wrong lever? Maybe it’s like that hanging chad incident perpetrated by the Democrats a few years ago.

NO…it was ppl merely being ppl. Due to the shit Obama INHERITED, the first two years were a nightmare. Ppl are always gonna blame the person “at the top”. AND, it is helped a whooooole lot when ya have LIARS from the right spewing out ridiculous crap LIES & distortions in order to get their guys//gals in. Yeah, Americans so luv Michelle Bauchmanb & her Tea Party ideology that she is currently hot on the trail leading to the White House. OOOooooppps, just maybe Americans are begining to see the shit they bought back in 2010 and are now understanding what the truth is…eh?

Democrats have tried for years to create the perfect storm in which to push their agenda. They wanted both houses and the presidency so they could advance their radical ideals. They got it and worked feverishly to implement all they could in the short time they wielded this power. For two long (long for those of us who were helpless to stop the madness) years they pulled every dirty trick in the book to set the government up as a totalitarian system… and them as the kings and queens in charge. I must admit, they have come very close. However, the people caught them and this radical left will be dealt with, one way or another.

What the fuck? Doood, YOU are sounding a little weird…no, A LOT WEIRD now. I’ve already told ya why Obama wasn’t able to get much going the first two years. AND, let’s not forget how the Republicans shut down EVERYTHING. <<< NOT a hyperbole.

BUT, “kings & queens”….seriously…from the Democrats? It is the wealthy (as in kings & queens) 1% who the Republicans support that live that way. Do YOU even know what a putocracy= is? Using that as a benchmark…most ANYTHING will appear “socialistic” <<< remember, I’ve given YOU a link that shows there are many, MANY more kinds of socialism than YOU like to rant about.

OH,,, please, do tell what ya mean by: …and radical left will be dealt with, one way or another. This could be “interesting”.

 
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I believe I can rest my case Karma. You pretty much did everything I mentioned in my post. Blamed others, called names, ignored any ideas that didn’t agree to yours, etc. You have done the conservative movement well with that post old guy.

 
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Originally posted by jhco50:

I believe I can rest my case Karma. You pretty much did everything I mentioned in my post. Blamed others, called names, ignored any ideas that didn’t agree to yours, etc. You have done the conservative movement well with that post old guy.

I keep trying to tell him that posts like the ones above are the reasons why nobody takes him seriously.

 
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I don’t know why he doesn’t calm down a bit. I think we could actually have some real and good discussions.