The Korean War: Not over yet.

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I know that the Korean War occurred in the Cold War. I know that there was a cease fire between North and South Korea. Thus we are technically still at war with North korea. How do you think that it will end or will the war ever be officially over? Please tell me your opinion or any other information you may have about the war that I have not talked about.

 
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Except perhaps if they go insane, I dont see why would the North Korea actually want to directly attack the USA. Of course, the possibility of they developing nuclear weapons is something to consider, but even then, they will cause lots of destroction, but fall.

Here is a note: While I know very little of North Korea politics, it is painfully obvious that they DO hate us. I just dont think they would be dumb enought to enter in a war that they WILL lose.

 
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North Korea is not threat to the USA. Even if the fire a nuke at us, we will see it coming, shoot it out of the sky, and wipe North Korea off the map.

I doubt North Korea would be dumb enough to do that though.

 
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North Korea, both in our current states, are no match against America. America has almost double everything that NK has. They’ve seen what we have done to Japan, like fma1 said, if we threw a nuke to them, that would wipe all of North Korea, and possibly the upper-half of South Korea off the map.

 
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It’s impossible for the DPRK to survive. Small land, hard to make food, running out of oil, gas… they only have trade with the Chinese. They are disconnected from the free market. If they did make a war…well, I can see that one-million army of theirs, will become none…
Besides, IF they wanted a war, before they can say “Declare War”, Pyongyang will come flying from the face of the Earth!

 
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You just can’t fight with the U.S.A
No one can beat them, no matter what you try.
Vengeance is a large part of American culture.
If you try to nuke them they will blow up your missile with rail guns, which actually work now :)
They have military bases in every country, and hence spy networks, which will know what you are up to before you even make that decision to attempt an attack on them.
They have allies in numerous amounts.

You can see that after 9/11 their vengeance does not end. Even after destroying the Taliban they continue to demoralize the people in that region and Al Qaeda will just be wiped out in time. They can use their unstable methods and make little nicks in American society, but they can’t really do much. And the more that they keep poking the dragon that is the U.S.A, the sooner that dragon will just wake up and quickly burn them with it’s fire(stronger bombs) instead of just swatting at them to stop (military occupancy in the middle east).

History has already shown that from pearl harbor being bombed and only killing a few people what they did to the Japanese in retaliation and then joining in WW2 to fight the Nazi’s and their allies. Even though, they couldn’t care less before this; once you bother them, they won’t stop until you are completely wiped out.

North Korea not allowing any U.S. bases near them except maybe from South Korea may try to stay ahead of the spy agencies, but American spy agencies always have a way, so no matter what they try, they fail in the end.

 
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there are a few wars that technically never ended.

Originally posted by DrOctaganapus2:

if we threw a nuke to them, that would wipe all of North Korea, and possibly the upper-half of South Korea off the map.

which is why it would be impossible for the US to do so.

aar, it’s 2012. if any corrupt or totalist government is going to be defeated, it’ll be from inside out.

 
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Originally posted by Draconavin:

You can see that after 9/11 their vengeance does not end. Even after destroying the Taliban they continue to demoralize the people in that region and Al Qaeda will just be wiped out in time. They can use their unstable methods and make little nicks in American society, but they can’t really do much. And the more that they keep poking the dragon that is the U.S.A, the sooner that dragon will just wake up and quickly burn them with it’s fire(stronger bombs) instead of just swatting at them to stop (military occupancy in the middle east)

Yes, and kill plenty of innocent people in the process, only to push it all under the carpet and go on with the usual cries of “For Democracy!”, and if anyone finds out, just say: “Collateral Damage. Therefore everything is OK!”. And then go in and loot the oil, which is their primary concern.

…..Sometimes, you have to wonder why people don’t understand why other people hate USA so much….

 
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One of the first targets if anyone ever going to wage wars nowadays must be the enemy’s satellites. And China, NK’s ally got plenty of hackers bold enough to do so.

 
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The North Korean military budget is about the same as countries such as Greece and Italy and I don’t believe those are real super powers. It’s just a much compared to their economy (which is tiny) .

 
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Originally posted by Draconavin:

You just can’t fight with the U.S.A
No one can beat them, no matter what you try.
Vengeance is a large part of American culture.
If you try to nuke them they will blow up your missile with rail guns, which actually work now :)
They have military bases in every country, and hence spy networks, which will know what you are up to before you even make that decision to attempt an attack on them.
They have allies in numerous amounts.

You can see that after 9/11 their vengeance does not end. Even after destroying the Taliban they continue to demoralize the people in that region and Al Qaeda will just be wiped out in time. They can use their unstable methods and make little nicks in American society, but they can’t really do much. And the more that they keep poking the dragon that is the U.S.A, the sooner that dragon will just wake up and quickly burn them with it’s fire(stronger bombs) instead of just swatting at them to stop (military occupancy in the middle east).

History has already shown that from pearl harbor being bombed and only killing a few people what they did to the Japanese in retaliation and then joining in WW2 to fight the Nazi’s and their allies. Even though, they couldn’t care less before this; once you bother them, they won’t stop until you are completely wiped out.

North Korea not allowing any U.S. bases near them except maybe from South Korea may try to stay ahead of the spy agencies, but American spy agencies always have a way, so no matter what they try, they fail in the end.

The NVA / VC beat America to shit.

Where are said rail guns? Where are said military bases in every country?

Your statement about 9/11 and the such is just retarded.

Pearl harbor bombing killed more than a few people, destroyed very valuable ships that were worth more than your life, and dragged America into war – something it hated to do.

Korea doesn’t really always fail in the end.

 
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Originally posted by Sleepallnight:

One of the first targets if anyone ever going to wage wars nowadays must be the enemy’s satellites. And China, NK’s ally got plenty of hackers bold enough to do so.

China is rather pathetic.

But they are pumping out naval units like hotcakes, and soon their war will be based on numbers, not really the technology like America. America can probably hack any system in the world – they did it to the Iranians before, they could probably do it to Korea and Iran again to shut down their uranium enrichment plants.

 
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Originally posted by fma1:

North Korea is not threat to the USA. Even if the fire a nuke at us, we will see it coming, shoot it out of the sky, and wipe North Korea off the map.

I doubt North Korea would be dumb enough to do that though.

Let’s see that happen, bro.

Let’s see us shoot it out of the sky like you imagine.

 
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If North Korea would use nuclear weapons it wouldn’t shoot a missile at the US it would should at south korea and simply take a small boat and go to New York and make it explode in the harbor they stand no chance to win but will inflict casualties.

 
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@MooseDishes
I am talking about currently; not about silly, past indiscretions.
And if you would just get out of your little ignorant bubble called the American media (both slants), you would see exactly what I am talking about.
Ever look at any other news networks from other countries? Maybe even countries that are actually experiencing this pain and suffering?
Be a little open minded; not your run of the mill American bigot.
:)

 
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Originally posted by thijser:

The North Korean military budget is about the same as countries such as Greece and Italy and I don’t believe those are real super powers. It’s just a much compared to their economy (which is tiny) .

a third of their population serves military duty. most of them active duty.

 
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Originally posted by OmegaDoom:
Originally posted by thijser:

The North Korean military budget is about the same as countries such as Greece and Italy and I don’t believe those are real super powers. It’s just a much compared to their economy (which is tiny) .

a third of their population serves military duty. most of them active duty.

Yes but they are armed with what’s basically sharp sticks and stones.
and they have a population of 25,000,000
But they have an active army of 1,106,000 man whereas the US has 1,456,862 man in active service. Now they have a reserve of 8,200,000 and the US has 1,458,500 man which is indeed a large difference. However in such a fight South korea would join the US with an reserve of 8,691,500 man.

 
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The whole world1 would join minus many Asian2 nations if they decide to fight man to man.

And they don’t even have to fight man to man.
The will win mostly on technology, and bombs alone.
Of course, what thijser says is right, as well.
The South Koreans would relish in ending the North Korean dictatorship, and constant threat that they impose upon them.



1 Australia, Canada, Most of Europe, United Kingdom, etc.

2 China, Middle East, India(possibly, but not hard to persuade), etc.

 
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Originally posted by Draconavin:

@MooseDishes
I am talking about currently; not about silly, past indiscretions.
And if you would just get out of your little ignorant bubble called the American media (both slants), you would see exactly what I am talking about.
Ever look at any other news networks from other countries? Maybe even countries that are actually experiencing this pain and suffering?
Be a little open minded; not your run of the mill American bigot.
:)

How does this nullify anything I said?

 
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How do you think that it will end or will the war ever be officially over?

I don’t think there will be a reunion, but I think there will be a peace treaty. North Korea’s only defense against conquest by South Korea is China, and South Korea’s only defense against North Korean invasion is the United States. Both powers are evidently here to stay, and will likely both reign as superpowers in the mid-2000’s. China is becoming much less socialist and much more capitalist, and is rapidly westernizing and developing. If North Korea’s regime continues to be extreme, they may lose Chinese support, which is again vital to their survival as a nation. Therefore, I think the general hostilities will die down eventually, as the supporting groups of both countries are becoming more similar and due to the high stakes of war it is unlikely that serious conflict will erupt again.

I don’t know how the East Asian region will specifically develop within the next 50 or so years, but these are simply my speculations due to current trends and events.

 
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Didn’t wikileaks recently discover that China isn’t really that eager to help North Korea and that if things go wrong China will probably drop their Alliance if pushed hard enough. The real problem is that while wining isn’t a real problem you then have to build up a country like in Iraq and the losses you will still suffer before you get to that point.

 
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North Korea is and has been an Atomic Power for a very long time. The have the capability to hit Japan and South Korea with Nukes.
It does not have the military power to defeat South Korea(without using Nukes). But it knows very well that the use of Nukes would lead to its destruction(economic, political and if there is something left military), just like it would be the case for any other country in the world.
More than 60 years of history have proven that even countries lead by seriously bat-shit insane and idiotic morons won´t use Nukes. In a way MAD has worked. We still had wars but those never were direct conflicts between Nuclear powers.
Today a Nuclear answer is not even necessary to a nuclear Threat. Globalisation of economic dependence has reached such a level that for most countries the economic and following political upheaval would be devastating.

 
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North Korea is and has been an Atomic Power for a very long time.

What a silly claim. Their tiny inventory is composed of nuclear devices that can hardly even work; needless to say, North Korea’s nuclear projection on the world is minuscule.

The have the capability to hit Japan and South Korea with Nukes.

Theoretically, or at least we want to be prepared for such a scenario.
It does not have the military power to defeat South Korea

Spheres of influence are key here. The only thing that kept the two countries separate was foreign intervention and investment, so it’s not as relevant that North Korea cannot single-handedly take South Korea when it would not be a one-on-one battle.
More than 60 years of history have proven that even countries lead by seriously bat-shit insane and idiotic morons won´t use Nukes

So how do you classify Harry Truman? Is he worse than Stalin? He ultimately used two nukes on a civilian population, and claimed to have lost no sleep over it. Why do we not consider him bad?

Because the nukes were seen as the most peaceful solution to a complicated conflict. It follows that in certain circumstances, such uses of nuclear weapons would be justified. With this in mind, and knowing the fact that eruption of war in Korea could start a third world war, what has made you so confident that a situation will not arise where a leader finds it most appropriate to use a nuclear device? I for one hold that the psychotic dictators who will not use nukes have merely done so due to the current repercussions of using a nuclear device in relative peacetime. In a global crisis, everything changes.

 
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The people of North Korea need to be given access to communication. They’ll unite and start a big change. But the military is so strong oppressing them they must ask for permission for everything and they can’t even use cellphones. I feel bad for them, have no idea how hard it must be for them.

Edit: My bad, you can use cellphones in north korea but you can’t do international calls nor connect to the internet using cellphones

 
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Originally posted by ohmylanta:
North Korea is and has been an Atomic Power for a very long time.

What a silly claim. Their tiny inventory is composed of nuclear devices that can hardly even work; needless to say, North Korea’s nuclear projection on the world is minuscule.

Possibly being able to hit Japan and South Korea is not minuscule. And the solo conventional war Ability is important since it limits the Ability of North Korea to do things on their own. That they would have to depend on ally help is important when considering the likelyhood of them starting something on their own.

For example Israel has the ability to finish trouble started with Iran on their own. If they did not they would not be discussing about possibly starting trouble on their own.

More than 60 years of history have proven that even countries lead by seriously bat-shit insane and idiotic morons won´t use Nukes


So how do you classify Harry Truman? Is he worse than Stalin? He ultimately used two nukes on a civilian population, and claimed to have lost no sleep over it. Why do we not consider him bad?


Because the nukes were seen as the most peaceful solution to a complicated conflict. It follows that in certain circumstances, such uses of nuclear weapons would be justified. With this in mind, and knowing the fact that eruption of war in Korea could start a third world war, what has made you so confident that a situation will not arise where a leader finds it most appropriate to use a nuclear device?

I am confident because your leaving out a lot of important facts that make the situation unrepeatable.

1. The knowledge and dislike people in general have of the results of a Nuclear attack is far superior to that during the time of Truman.
2. The ability of people in general to get media information about things on the scale of Nukes being dropped, even when done in a war-zone are also much greater.
3. The power of people to economical effect other countries if they act as a group has been raised significantly.

Personally i am one of the people who won´t bother to change their buying habits for avoiding things like pink slime and BSE, tuna canned dolphins or small cuddly seal babys. But a nuclear strike well by the time i get to store i don´t think i will even have the option of buying or not buying something made in the country that used the nuke. Hell if America used a Nuke even McDonalds would claim to be and always have been a Irish company.