Quote Discussion, Current quote: “The problems of victory are more agreeable than those of defeat, but they are no less difficult.” page 13

Originally posted by helltank:

Fear holds a special place in my heart, because I feel lots of fear(I have gotten weeks of nightmares just by looking at the poster for a horror movie that was described by the newspaper as “tacky and artificial”).

There are men who feel less fear than others, but there are no men who feel no fear.

That isn’t really an explanation of the quote considering the fact that what you said was already laden in the original paraphrase itself: “All men are frightened.” Additionally, the extent of fear obviously oscillates to and fro- that was automatically implied.

However, I find it rather interesting that you keep having nightmares in succession. Whenever I am traumatized by a horrific scenario, I might have one nightmare or two, but the occasion never induces an entire series of them coming down like artillery bombs every night, so-to-speak.

While I kinda get the point of the quote( The smarter someone is, the more capaeble this one is to calculate danger torwards himself, and therefore the more he will fear such danger ), one must remember, a fool can overestimate a threat just as well as one can underestimate it…

Time for a new quote:

“A man who won’t die for something is not fit to live.”

-Martin Luther King Jr.

Life is vividly haphazard. Risks are integral to its constitution. If you don’t hazard a few dangerous incidences every now and then, then you aren’t really participating actively in the pursuit of meaning and thereby are essentially a purposeless husk within the regulatory context of life.

I think the quote alludes to the idea that striving for something gives your life purpose. For example, I will die for representational politics and government. I will also die for these freedoms. I think it gives my life purpose.

However, I disagree with the notion that must be willing to die for it. I understand devoting your life to something. However, dying for something seems a bit extreme to me.

Originally posted by Dartval:

Time for a new quote:

“A man who won’t die for something is not fit to live.”

-Martin Luther King Jr.

Oh,,,,fucking BULLSHIT.
I luv ya to death, MLK,,,
BUT, on this, YOU are totally whacko (unless Dartval somehow got the quote wrong).

To somewhat make it more “palatable”,,,let me say it this way: “A person who won’t RISK their life for something is not…..”

That’s still most odious to me, tho. It’s waaaaaay tooooo much an “either-or” scenario.
I find a whooooole lot of ppl LIVING FOR A CAUSE that are sacrificing and enduring much, MUCH more than a simple (painless?) ending of life.

George Patton_: “The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other guy die for his.” This means enduring “war is hell”,,,,overcoming FEAR,,,losing friends,,,,etc.

LIVING for a cause, to me, is much more difficult and important than dying.

I think that it means that a true man must be willing to believe in a cause greater then himself, and be willing to sacrifice himself for that cause, if necessary… At least, this is how I understand it.

What if I don’t want to die for the support of child soldiers

hmmmm

This quote only applies to certain subjects.

“A man who won’t die for something is not fit to live.”

Yeah, it describes a man that has no passion or conviction in life, and surmises this is a meaningless life indeed.

New quote:

“Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree.”

-Martin Luther

Be a selfish narcissist

Basically, I think it means that you should still go and run your own course regardless of what might happen in the future.

However, i don’t really agree with that interpretation myself in the context of validity despite the eminence of the originator. You should trust others without hesitation to the effect of either: a.) respecting without action or b.) respecting and acting providing that their advice is reasonably sound and beneficial. It’s quite easy to discern the good recommendations from the bad ones out of analysis anyway. It’s good to plan ahead instead of living in a land where time doesn’t consciously matter in your schedules.

George Patton_: “The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other guy die for his.”

that’s not the object, that’s a means.

Originally posted by OmegaDoom:

George Patton_: “The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other guy die for his.”

that’s not the object, that’s a means.

Isn’t a means an object? End =/= object per se. However, dying in times of mutual conflict/strife is only a means in the context of war for the object of war is essentially the destruction/removal of itself in itself to which individual fatalities are but minutiae “ideographically”.

I need some suggestions again.

Continue living the way you do, and have some fun, and the end will be less stressful.

New quote, this was suggested by simeng:

“Hell is other people.”

-Jean-Paul Sartre

“Hell is other people.”

i have no idea what it means, but i agree with it anyway.

patriotism, btw, is a sin. very clearly, if you look at history, all of the greatest evil is done out of patriotism; and almost every action driven by patriotism has bern wretched.

“Hell does not exist to punish sinners. Hell exists to ensure that no one sins.”

that means only exactly what it says. except, of course, that it’s wrong. there is no theistic hell, and even if that was the purpose for the concept of hell (which it also isn’t; it’s merely a quite succesful, wretched attempt at getting people to submit through fear) it would have miserably failed that.

Originally posted by Dartval:
“Hell is other people.”>

Translation: “Everyone but me is awful and makes my life a living hell.”

Originally posted by tenco1:

Originally posted by Dartval:
“Hell is other people.”>

Translation: “Everyone but me is awful and makes my life a living hell.”

LOL….damn, ya beat me to it.
I do want to add, tho…..I’ve found an angel,,,,
and she makes this “hell-on-earth” quite tolerable…..even fun most of the time.
Esp. here lately when all the “rabid-right”, religious zealots, “mile-a-minute-living” ppl zipping around trying to “have-it-all”….when all of them make the news….AT THE SAME TIME. LOL

Maybe hell is you, and the other people are just fine.

Reminds me of this saying:

Everyone in the world is crazy, except for me and thee… and I’m not so sure about thee.

Other people cause you hell in your life

Here’s a new quote:

“Man as an individual is a genius. But men in the mass form the headless monster, a great, brutish idiot that goes where prodded.”

-Charlie Chaplin

A man can think for himself when he doesn’t have peers to criticize him. However, when many men are placed in a group, the superorganism doesn’t think and follows instructions blindly.

I agree with the idea behind the quote. However, I don’t agree with the literal meaning of the first sentence, “Man as an individual is a genius.” This may be a bit off-topic, but it’s worth mentioning. The success of mammalian species comes from cooperation. This could either mean that 5 tigers are attacking an elephant, or 10 craft specialists (baker, blacksmith, architect, doctor, cleric, constable, merchant, civil servant, farmer and butcher) live in a village.

^i disagree. as an individualist, i have to make a case for individualism.

of all the big cats, only one is not endangered: the Leopard. why? well, there are many reasons to it’s success. but a vital part of the leopard’s strategy is that it’s a loner.

as for the “craft specialists” in the village: society has for centuries or more blocked individualism just to protect such craft-specialisations, such as by guild monopolies. without such manipulation, craft-specialisation would be much less prevalent, only because it is entirely unnecessary. it’s just a way to create dependency, and this dependency is just a control tool.