Quote Discussion, Current quote: “The problems of victory are more agreeable than those of defeat, but they are no less difficult.” page 12

New quote, this was suggested by DrOctagonapus:

“A real man will keep all the promises the last man broke.”

-Unknown

I’d say it basically refers to the fact that you not only learn from your own mistakes, but from other people’s mistakes. And if the former employee lost his job due to his mistakes, you will want to prevent the same thing.

This quote didn’t get any discussion. On to another one.

“All murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.”

-Voltaire

Well i think it basically means that if a muderer killed without anyone knowing “kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets” then they can’t be punished as nobody would know they have done anything.

It may also refer to war (mayby rather unlikely though) as because in war they fight in large numbers-and to the sound of trumpets i believe back in the day- and ofcourse they wasn’t punished then.

Originally posted by bobyinhell:

It may also refer to war (mayby rather unlikely though)

Very likely, actually.

“All murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.”

It means that killing for a cause (a large group of people) is socially sanctioned and considered acceptable, heroic even. Consider the U.S. military—when they go to war, they are considered heroes. If a lone guy shoots another guy, he’s either antisocial or crazy, and punished accordingly.

Originally posted by Twilight_Ninja:

“All murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.”

It means that killing for a cause (a large group of people) is socially sanctioned and considered acceptable, heroic even. Consider the U.S. military—when they go to war, they are considered heroes. If a lone guy shoots another guy, he’s either antisocial or crazy, and punished accordingly.

True, but here is the unfair part of our society… The fact that I am the only one to be doing the killing, doesnt mean it cant be motivated by a greater cause now, does it?

Originally posted by axlkoegoskyeg:
The fact that I am the only one to be doing the killing, doesnt mean it cant be motivated by a greater cause now, does it?

That “lone honorable vigilante” thing is rare, but it happens too.

the current quote reminds me “Killing one man makes you a murderer, killing a million makes you a war hero.”

Originally posted by XxFoYrAxX:

the current quote reminds me “Killing one man makes you a murderer, killing a million makes you a war hero.”

Lol i doubt killing a million men would make u a hero.

Originally posted by bobyinhell:

Originally posted by XxFoYrAxX:

the current quote reminds me “Killing one man makes you a murderer, killing a million makes you a war hero.”

Lol i doubt killing a million men would make u a hero.

*Sigh *

Did you really not get that incredibly obvious reference to war/military/etc?

I feel like we could debate the merits of war, defensive war, preemptive war, what makes murder murder, etc, but it’s all kind of trite by now.

Originally posted by BobTheCoolGuy:

I feel like we could debate the merits of war, defensive war, preemptive war, what makes murder murder, etc, but it’s all kind of trite by now.

Then maybe we could discuss this: _“Don’t cry because it’s over, smile because it happened.” _ Dr. Seuss

This is much easier said than done.
Long after putting down an “OLD friend” (dog), I can get a very large “lump” in my throat that mostly renders me unable to speak of him/er. Yet, I like to think it is merely an over-whelming sweetness of the memory that causes this emotional reaction.

Public appeal is justification per se… mainly due to the fact that trials are committed by emotional trauma unaccompanied. If people “like” you, then you’re free to go no matter how hideous the crime(s) you made was/is. That is induced by: a.) fear or b.) positive popularity. You get the idea.

that one has a million variants.

“A real man will keep all the promises the last man broke.”

that looks more like a slogan hoping to see better leaders.

Originally posted by karmakoolkid:

Originally posted by BobTheCoolGuy:

I feel like we could debate the merits of war, defensive war, preemptive war, what makes murder murder, etc, but it’s all kind of trite by now.

Then maybe we could discuss this: _“Don’t cry because it’s over, smile because it happened.” _ Dr. Seuss

This is much easier said than done.
Long after putting down an “OLD friend” (dog), I can get a very large “lump” in my throat that mostly renders me unable to speak of him/er. Yet, I like to think it is merely an over-whelming sweetness of the memory that causes this emotional reaction.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with crying because it’ over. That quote is a ‘cheer you up’ quote, trying to encourage people, but overall, noting wrong with crying and being sad.

Originally posted by simeng:

Public appeal is justification per se… mainly due to the fact that trials are committed by emotional trauma unaccompanied. If people “like” you, then you’re free to go no matter how hideous the crime(s) you made was/is. That is induced by: a.) fear or b.) positive popularity. You get the idea.

Legal justification, perhaps. Moral justification, thought? Not a chance…

Originally posted by axlkoegoskyeg:

Originally posted by simeng:

Public appeal is justification per se… mainly due to the fact that trials are committed by emotional trauma unaccompanied. If people “like” you, then you’re free to go no matter how hideous the crime(s) you made was/is. That is induced by: a.) fear or b.) positive popularity. You get the idea.

Legal justification, perhaps. Moral justification, thought? Not a chance…

Seems like we floating a bit off the topic, new quote maybe?
Don’t ever take a fence down until you know why it was put up. ~Robert Frost

Originally posted by axlkoegoskyeg:

Originally posted by simeng:

Public appeal is justification per se… mainly due to the fact that trials are committed by emotional trauma unaccompanied. If people “like” you, then you’re free to go no matter how hideous the crime(s) you made was/is. That is induced by: a.) fear or b.) positive popularity. You get the idea.

Legal justification, perhaps. Moral justification, thought? Not a chance…

Yes; I was thinking about the technicalities of the issue. Quite perceptive of you.

Time for a new quote:

“If we take the generally accepted definition of bravery as a quality which knows no fear, I have never seen a brave man. All men are frightened. The more intelligent they are, the more they are frightened.”

-George Patton

This one is very simple:
Bravery isn’t the absence of fear,,,
it is the ability to control it and perform adequately even though it be a major burden upon ye.

Those who have little (no?) fear either don’t fully understand the situation,,,,
OR, they are absent one several things:
impaired cognitive capability (being drunk builds bravery 12 ways)….
lack of will to continue living…
poor intell.

I think bravery is having the courage to do what you gotta do in spite of being scared.
I definitely agree with the intelligence thing though “Just because you’re not paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you” ;)

This quote reminds me of the “Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus” by Wittgenstein (the foremost philosopher of the 20th century imo) in the sense that both works essentially culminate by destroying themselves in order to implicitly exhibit the explicitly undescribable. The two reduce themselves to nonsense in terms of written content whereupon only by implications are those works of any particular value whatsoever in the context of reason.

Anyway, I kind of rattled on and departed the mainstream discussion. Allow me to return!

The citation simply means that since brave men are, in actuality, considered to be of such a character because they do exactly the opposite of exuding the absence of fear as a criterion per se and even because they exist as mortals that brave men, in general, are people who do know fear, but react in intelligent ways in response as opposed to humans who know no fear whatsoever.

Brave men are the capable in situations of need whereas feeble, in this context, is really just a synonym for the antonym of tenaciousness. People who recklessly charge ahead into unkown horizons without prior contemplation are not courageous, but stupid instead…. among other things as well. I reckon that the author is attempting to untangle the confusion between cause and effect here in order to elucidate the nature of bravery.

Fear holds a special place in my heart, because I feel lots of fear(I have gotten weeks of nightmares just by looking at the poster for a horror movie that was described by the newspaper as “tacky and artificial”).

There are men who feel less fear than others, but there are no men who feel no fear.