All non jewish christian religions: Are their followers going to Hell?

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Quiet, atheists, this question obviously isn’t directed at you.

One of the ten commandments is ‘Do not worship false idles’. Something I recently noticed is, wouldn’t Jesus qualify as a false idle? I mean, he was a great guy, but he never said he was god or anything, just a run of the mil prophet. Yet I hear Christians talking about him as if he was god, all the time. Doesn’t that make them scheduled for a one way trip to Hell?

 
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I encourage you to read this article, perhaps it will help clear things up.

 
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Originally posted by BobTheCoolGuy:

I encourage you to read this article, perhaps it will help clear things up.

But did Jesus ever call himself that, or just other people?
 
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Originally posted by Darkscanner:
Originally posted by BobTheCoolGuy:

I encourage you to read this article, perhaps it will help clear things up.

But did Jesus ever call himself that, or just other people?

oO No possible way to read that whole thing in 1 minute. After you read it I’ll answer questions you have :D
 
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At what point did Jesus prove his claims of himself being a god?

 
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Originally posted by Darkscanner:

At what point did Jesus prove his claims of himself being a god?

That’s all in the article. Just read through it.
The most direct example is when he identified himself as “I am” when asked who he was, which is how God identified himself to Moses.
There are plenty of other examples, direct and indirect, all in the article that Bob has provided.

 
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I’m sorry I’m not able to quote exact scripture, but I was under the impression Jesus knew from a very early age he was divine. One incident is coming to mind, when he was a young child and stayed at a temple/mall to minister to people, while Joseph/Mary wandered away. They found him later, upset and distraught as any parent would be, and he told him not to worry, as he was doing his “Father’s work”. Am I mistaken in this recollection?

 
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I get that he though he was god, but did he ever pose any solid evidence? All I recall are cheap parlor tricks like turning water into wine, or making lots and lots of fish and bread sticks.

 
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Originally posted by Darkscanner:

I get that he though he was god, but did he ever pose any solid evidence? All I recall are cheap parlor tricks like turning water into wine, or making lots and lots of fish and bread sticks.

There’s other miracles, such as healing a blind man and raising a dead man back to life.

 
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Darkscanner, that’s what the Spirit is used for. Personal experiences tend to be some of the strongest evidence.

 
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Originally posted by BobTheCoolGuy:

I encourage you to read this article, perhaps it will help clear things up.

Thank you for the link.

Originally posted by Darkscanner:

Quiet, atheists, this question obviously isn’t directed at you.

One of the ten commandments is ‘Do not worship false idles’. Something I recently noticed is, wouldn’t Jesus qualify as a false idle? I mean, he was a great guy, but he never said he was god or anything, just a run of the mil prophet. Yet I hear Christians talking about him as if he was god, all the time. Doesn’t that make them scheduled for a one way trip to Hell?

Its a hard question, but as Bobthecoolguy, 1132, Twilight_Ninja, have pointed out Jesus indeed said He was one with God. When comes to other religions Jesus said he is the truth and the light, no one could come to God but through Him. So yes, if you didn’t have faith in Him you’d experience hell naturally.
To make it sounds less like blind fanaticism, ain’t we all have experienced sufferings in this world? By now, with or without religion people have gone through a state of universe unfriendly to us. God being unfriendly towards humans are a natural thing, an everyday life.
God do this because he is holy, He has the power to sin but choose not to. If he break His rules and ended up uniting Himself with all humans including to those who loved a sinful lifestyle, existence would’ve stopped. Because God being God is the beginning of existence.
God is Love himself He must keep on being Him. That’s why in order to reconnect with humans God must use some procedures that would enable such connections without breaking the Rules. And that connection has been completed by Jesus. Through the unity with Jesus, who have paid for our sins, humans would be free from their obligations or debts to sin, something that must be paid according to God’s rules.
No other creature or spirits could bring you to God because it took the same discipline as Jesus to open that Gate. And now after Jesus completed his work, it is not lovely anymore to make another independent connection, which is a bloody death of a holy ruler by sinful deeds.
Unity in Jesus is the only way to be free from the shackles of sin.

 
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actually… i have never thought about this… While i am a atheist.. this is quite interesting.

 
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Originally posted by Darkscanner:

I get that he though he was god, but did he ever pose any solid evidence? All I recall are cheap parlor tricks like turning water into wine, or making lots and lots of fish and bread sticks.

Asking for solid evidence for Jesus doing something divine seems kind of pointless since there is no solid evidence for Jesus existing at all.
For many of the more impressive wonders and actions claimed to have been done by Jesus in-front of witnesses, we can say: They either did not happen, or there most have been a massive cover-up using means not available to mankind as we know it.
What else could have stopped the supposedly great amount of witnesses from spreading the news. Correspondence of the time that talks of matters that are mostly insignificant compared to most of the more awesome Wonders supposedly done by Jesus.

 
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@JohnnyBeGood

What else could have stopped the supposedly great amount of witnesses from spreading the news. Correspondence of the time that talks of matters that are mostly insignificant compared to most of the more awesome Wonders supposedly done by Jesus.

Maybe its rare for people not associated with the ruler during those times to get real publicities nevermind get their names written in history? Indie writers such as writers of Gospels are those who published his works, and there were some writings and they got compiled into becoming gospels. Its also possible that the people who liked to write news during those times didn’t became impartial after seeing all what Jesus has done, and became followers of Jesus. So those lead to what we have now…

 
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Originally posted by Sleepallnight:

@JohnnyBeGood

What else could have stopped the supposedly great amount of witnesses from spreading the news. Correspondence of the time that talks of matters that are mostly insignificant compared to most of the more awesome Wonders supposedly done by Jesus.

Maybe its rare for people not associated with the ruler during those times to get real publicities nevermind get their names written in history?

Not if they do anything as awesome as Jesus supposedly did. For example the story about Jesus evicting the moneylenders from the temple.

Indie writers such as writers of Gospels are those who published his works, and there were some writings and they got compiled into becoming gospels.

With the first physical remains of such writing being dated at least 70 years after the supposed event(thats 4 generations for people of that time).
Were are the physical remains from during the supposed life time of Jesus or shortly after?

Its also possible that the people who liked to write news during those times didn’t became impartial after seeing all what Jesus has done, and became followers of Jesus. So those lead to what we have now…

What does it matter if the writers became biased or not. Fact is that the writers who´s writings have survived did not talk about Jesus. And that this includes writings from people who should have talked about the events no matter if they were biased for or against Jesus or impartial.

 
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@JohnnyBeGood
I’ve read some articles before and they are from christian sites saying that the sources were qualified enough to be written by first hand audience of Jesus. I’ll try to find it.

You said “Correspondence of the time that talks of matters that are mostly insignificant compared to most of the more awesome Wonders supposedly done by Jesus” I thought you meant impartial or secular or history “themed” writings, because the gospel is not good enough for you. Ok I’ll look it up.

 
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Apparently you’re right, you even said the earliest dated 70 years after, therefore around 70 AD, which I couldn’t find, the earliest was from 150 AD.
I’m not certain if this was the site I remembered, but the article was ok compared to some others, http://carm.org/manuscript-evidence.
And since other historical figures have scripts written during their lives and was discovered. I wouldn’t use strong tones against your arguments. However, I could say that Jesus started as ordinary people, and he performed most of his miracles among ordinary people, if little hard documentations were made and survived I wouldn’t be surprised.
I’m sorry I couldn’t do better than this, maybe next time. Thanks for your criticism.

 
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Originally posted by Sleepallnight:

@JohnnyBeGood
I’ve read some articles before and they are from christian sites saying that the sources were qualified enough to be written by first hand audience of Jesus. I’ll try to find it.

You said “Correspondence of the time that talks of matters that are mostly insignificant compared to most of the more awesome Wonders supposedly done by Jesus” I thought you meant impartial or secular or history “themed” writings, because the gospel is not good enough for you. Ok I’ll look it up.

The gospel is not a writing of the time of Jesus. The oldest remains we have of the Gospels are dated 100+ A.D.. At least 70 years after the supposed life time. And with correspondences i practically mean all writing of the time. You won´t find any decent reference to Jesus in the correspondence of the first century, especially in the region of Israel.

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Originally posted by Sleepallnight:

Apparently you’re right, you even said the earliest dated to 70 AD, which I couldn’t find, the earliest was from 150 AD.
I’m not certain if this was the site I remembered, but the article was ok compared to some others, http://carm.org/manuscript-evidence.
And since other historical figures have scripts written during their lives and was discovered. I wouldn’t use strong tones against your arguments. However, I could say that Jesus started as ordinary people, and he performed most of his miracles among ordinary people, if little hard documentations were made and survived I wouldn’t be surprised.
I’m sorry I couldn’t do better than this, maybe next time. Thanks for your criticism.

Nah i said at least 70 years after. So 100+ A.D.. I know about the ones from 150 AD and there are some people who would date it earlier(not that they have good arguments for it).

About the miracles among ordinary People, thats why i am talking about the more awesome and impressive feats of miraculous power, which would have gotten even people talking who were not direct witnesses.
I mean not even the supposed enemies of Jesus write about him or his followers. The enemies that supposedly feared him and set him up to die. For all the hype the gospel said he caused and for the even greater hype some of his wonders would have caused, there is no talking about it.

 
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Brotip, Islam follows similar beliefs to Jedeo-Christians.
Same Abraham, same God, just different prophets.

 
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i believe everyone goes to the same place when they die(if there even is a place). i dont believe in a heaven or a hell, i believe in an afterlife. no matter what you did in life, i believe it is just wiped clean on death and you start over.

from everything i know about jesus, i wouldnt call him “false”. he was an important figure in history and made a significant impact. that doesnt sound false to me.

false to me would be like a reality tv star or an athelete. they are famous, and may think they are important, but in the grand scheme of things, they arent.

 
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YOU MUST BE A MENNONITE OR YOU GO TO HELL

Is basically what my father tried to preach to me for a good 5 years. All the while I did drugs, watched porn, and vandalized my city.

To me, religion just isn’t important. I don’t care what they say about me not being a believer and going to hell, and it’s going to drive me away when you jab me with a stick and force it down my throat.

Sometimes I wonder if there is in fact a deity, and it intrigues me, but I don’t think I will ever turn back to the church. I’ve thought very strongly about Islam, as well, and actually looked into it. I liked the concept, but as I said, I just don’t feel “in” with church.

 
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Originally posted by MooseDishes:

YOU MUST BE A MENNONITE OR YOU GO TO HELL

Is basically what my father tried to preach to me for a good 5 years. All the while I did drugs, watched porn, and vandalized my city.

To me, religion just isn’t important. I don’t care what they say about me not being a believer and going to hell, and it’s going to drive me away when you jab me with a stick and force it down my throat.

Sometimes I wonder if there is in fact a deity, and it intrigues me, but I don’t think I will ever turn back to the church. I’ve thought very strongly about Islam, as well, and actually looked into it. I liked the concept, but as I said, I just don’t feel “in” with church.

Seriously guys, if you don’t like religion, go to the atheist thread, not this one…
 
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Moose
People are usually misplacing Hell.
It can be here, on Earth, when one lives a life devoid of any holiness, which IS “Hell”.
Don’t be afraid of the devils from the fire pit, rather, beware of your neighboring ones and the biggest one inside YOU
(I’m sure, I’ll get laughs and derogatory comments on this, but why should I care..?)

Also, you don’t have to be “religious” to HELP PEOPLE.
But it helps, when you KNOW WHY

 
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People are usually misplacing Hell.
It can be here, on Earth, when one lives a life devoid of any holiness, which IS “Hell”.
Don’t be afraid of the devils from the fire pit, rather, beware of your neighboring ones and the biggest one inside YOU…

Well, the bible actually refers to Hell as a physical place. It’s a lake of fire, which Lucifer and his followers are imprisoned in. The whole ‘Hell not necessarily being a firey lake’ thing is a very new concept.

 
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DS
It’s not a new concept, it’s just looking at what Hell really IS.
Basically, just a place devoid of holiness.
Well, lots of people easily make such places their own habitats…
Oh, and since I’m Jewish, there’s NO “almighty Satan broiling your legs in oil”, but rather, WE are making our personal “Hells” ourselves, by rejecting the “Paradise” that G-d tries to provide to us…
True “Hell” is the realization that will come…
Smart (or lucky) people go through their own “Hells” while still alive, and turn it into their “Paradise”…
You can laugh, but you won’t be able to laugh at YOURSELF stating “how stupid I was”…
We need no devil to broil us – our consciousness is the best chef there is…