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Originally posted by Twilight_Ninja:

Originally posted by tenco1:

That might be because of how you’re saying it, not really what you’re saying.

It also begs the question of why he’s throwing the idea out there, if he doesn’t want to bother explaining it.

Well it might help if one knows about what he’s been like before, and what he’s posted on here, since then one would be able to see that (s)he’s a little… Dull.

Originally posted by tenco1:

Well it might help if one knows about what he’s been like before, and what he’s posted on here, since then one would be able to see that (s)he’s a little… Dull.

Hm. Looking back through the history, they seem to be a prolific developer but not such a great writer.

I know I’m a heartless conservative, but people need to realize that there isn’t enough money for the federal government to provide everything to all Americans.

no, you’re not hearing me. there isn’t enough money for private healthcare, which is a lot more expensive than universal health care.

You guys realize that the Supreme Court will give their opinion on the Obamacare bill next month, right? I’m guessing it will be deemed unconstitutional, at the very least, part of it. I have a feeling they may just kick it all out.

Works in Europe? Last time I checked Europe was falling apart.
Italy, Greece, Spain, France all have huuuuuuge problems.
Germany, Swiss and Norway are pretty much the only countries in Europe that are not fucked right now, and two of them aren’t even in the EU.

what? Sweden is doing the best of all western countries (despite the crying about a muslim invasion). also the Netherlands and Denmark is doing relatively fine.

these are also exactly the countries with the lowest rich-poor devide, with multiparty coalition governments…

Originally posted by OmegaDoom:

I know I’m a heartless conservative, but people need to realize that there isn’t enough money for the federal government to provide everything to all Americans.

no, you’re not hearing me. there isn’t enough money for private healthcare, which is a lot more expensive than universal health care.

No, I’m hearing you, but maybe you aren’t hearing me. I’ll go slowly. The. United. States. Government. Has. Too. Much. Debt. To. Pay. For. Another. Entitlement.

Originally posted by issendorf:

Originally posted by OmegaDoom:

I know I’m a heartless conservative, but people need to realize that there isn’t enough money for the federal government to provide everything to all Americans.

no, you’re not hearing me. there isn’t enough money for private healthcare, which is a lot more expensive than universal health care.

No, I’m hearing you, but maybe you aren’t hearing me. I’ll go slowly. The. United. States. Government. Has. Too. Much. Debt. To. Pay. For. Another. Entitlement.

No, I think that it’s more that you’re not fully hearing what he’s saying, really.

Originally posted by issendorf:

Originally posted by OmegaDoom:

I know I’m a heartless conservative, but people need to realize that there isn’t enough money for the federal government to provide everything to all Americans.

no, you’re not hearing me. there isn’t enough money for private healthcare, which is a lot more expensive than universal health care.

No, I’m hearing you, but maybe you aren’t hearing me. I’ll go slowly. The. United. States. Government. Has. Too. Much. Debt. To. Pay. For. Another. Entitlement.

Which. Is. Why. The. Costly. Private. Health care. Needs. To. Be. Fixed.

Originally posted by scoopolard:

Originally posted by TheKnifeGrinder:

Originally posted by jhco50:

Originally posted by TheKnifeGrinder:

Originally posted by egotheredundant:

Hello people, I saw these forums and the nice topics you have here so I decided to register and have some nice debates about interesting things.

The topic that is on my mind right now is the universal healthcare.
Do you think it is a good social program for a country?

I personally think that poor people should be able to help themselves, I mean there are so many of them that they could just help each other on their own. Why do the rich people need to get involved? They are busy making money for the poor and keeping the economy up.

The economy is wrong in the current age.. we don t need rich people, we never needed them, we don’t need private banks all we need is humanity to work for humanity and stop wasting natural resources, polluting the planet. We must evolve!

Bullshit. You are stating the liberal talking points of distribution of wealth and touchy-feely let’s hold hands and sing kubiya. I like many other normal people get so sick of the tree-huggers and PETA types. America does not want a tyranny or socialism like you just spewed.

These are not bullshits. It’s called having a brain. The current economic system is plain wrong.. i am not suggesting socialism or tyranny, you can stay in capitalism BUT with a lot of laws to regulate it.. as it is now capitalism is stupid and destructive.. it s like a wild west. also about the peta and tree huggers thing you said.. i think that there are rules not written.. you need valid reason to kill an animal or cut a tree.. Human race have dishonoured itself for too long it s time to evolve!

Lol joining PETA (People Eat Tasty Animals) or supporting a form of economics that has proven to constrain national growth, prosperity, and innovation does not entitle you to intelligence.

i didn t write join peta.. please don t talk about intelligence since with your writing you didn t seem to have any. It’s not about form of economics and bla bla bla.. what u call national growth, prosperity, and innovation.. i call it destruction of planet, modern slavery etc etc.. they indoctrinate you since the school with illusions and trap you into ideologies.. well in some matter there is no ideology.. you don t have to pollute water, endanger animal and plants of extinction.. for what? For nothing.

Back on topic the health care is private cause some guys must do profit over medicine and people that suffer.. this is non sense.. you choose to make the doctor scientist to help cure people and defeat disease etc etc.. who needs rich people? none. Please free your mind don t be locked in medieval ideas and schemes.

Originally posted by tenco1:

Originally posted by Twilight_Ninja:

Originally posted by tenco1:

That might be because of how you’re saying it, not really what you’re saying.

It also begs the question of why he’s throwing the idea out there, if he doesn’t want to bother explaining it.

Well it might help if one knows about what he’s been like before, and what he’s posted on here, since then one would be able to see that (s)he’s a little… Dull.

Haters gonna hate eh? I searched on google the term dull.. among hundreds of meaning (english lol) it gives me the meaning of obtuse.

So in short you are obtuse not me. Refrain yourself from insulting the other people.

Originally posted by OmegaDoom:

Originally posted by issendorf:

Originally posted by OmegaDoom:

I know I’m a heartless conservative, but people need to realize that there isn’t enough money for the federal government to provide everything to all Americans.

no, you’re not hearing me. there isn’t enough money for private healthcare, which is a lot more expensive than universal health care.

No, I’m hearing you, but maybe you aren’t hearing me. I’ll go slowly. The. United. States. Government. Has. Too. Much. Debt. To. Pay. For. Another. Entitlement.

Which. Is. Why. The. Costly. Private. Health care. Needs. To. Be. Fixed.

I agree that healthcare needs to be fixed. I’m very not convinced that universal healthcare (or the tamer Obama Care) is the answer.

Originally posted by issendorf:

The current economic system is plain wrong.. i am not suggesting socialism or tyranny

First of all, people will think you know what you’re talking about when you use proper terms. Tyranny is a political system, not an economic system.

as it is now capitalism is stupid and destructive

Deep stuff.

Whatever but i didn t say that Tyranny is a political or economic system.. go re-read up.
also you are not very good with deep sarcasm stuff.

Peace.

Whatever but i didn t say that Tyranny is a political or economic system.. go re-read up.
also you are not very good with deep sarcasm stuff.

Either you mistook tyranny as an economic system or you mistook socialism as a political system, at least based on the context clues you have provided me.

Originally posted by TheKnifeGrinder:

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Not sure if joking or serious.

Originally posted by tenco1:

Originally posted by TheKnifeGrinder:

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Not sure if joking or serious.

I was confused as well. However, I thought I would at least do him justice once by replying to him.

Well…I did…until textile deleted my post A-FUCKING-GAIN!!!!!!

EDIT: Ah…thank God…I had copy and pasted the text block at some point…phew…saved.

Originally posted by TheKnifeGrinder:

Originally posted by scoopolard:

Originally posted by TheKnifeGrinder:

Originally posted by jhco50:

Originally posted by TheKnifeGrinder:

Originally posted by egotheredundant:

Hello people, I saw these forums and the nice topics you have here so I decided to register and have some nice debates about interesting things.

The topic that is on my mind right now is the universal healthcare.
Do you think it is a good social program for a country?

I personally think that poor people should be able to help themselves, I mean there are so many of them that they could just help each other on their own. Why do the rich people need to get involved? They are busy making money for the poor and keeping the economy up.

The economy is wrong in the current age.. we don t need rich people, we never needed them, we don’t need private banks all we need is humanity to work for humanity and stop wasting natural resources, polluting the planet. We must evolve!

Bullshit. You are stating the liberal talking points of distribution of wealth and touchy-feely let’s hold hands and sing kubiya. I like many other normal people get so sick of the tree-huggers and PETA types. America does not want a tyranny or socialism like you just spewed.

These are not bullshits. It’s called having a brain. The current economic system is plain wrong.. i am not suggesting socialism or tyranny, you can stay in capitalism BUT with a lot of laws to regulate it.. as it is now capitalism is stupid and destructive.. it s like a wild west. also about the peta and tree huggers thing you said.. i think that there are rules not written.. you need valid reason to kill an animal or cut a tree.. Human race have dishonoured itself for too long it s time to evolve!

Lol joining PETA (People Eat Tasty Animals) or supporting a form of economics that has proven to constrain national growth, prosperity, and innovation does not entitle you to intelligence.

i didn t write join peta.. please don t talk about intelligence since with your writing you didn t seem to have any. It’s not about form of economics and bla bla bla.. what u call national growth, prosperity, and innovation.. i call it destruction of planet, modern slavery etc etc.. they indoctrinate you since the school with illusions and trap you into ideologies.. well in some matter there is no ideology.. you don t have to pollute water, endanger animal and plants of extinction.. for what? For nothing.

Back on topic the health care is private cause some guys must do profit over medicine and people that suffer.. this is non sense.. you choose to make the doctor scientist to help cure people and defeat disease etc etc.. who needs rich people? none. Please free your mind don t be locked in medieval ideas and schemes.

Haha. The vast ignorance of your posts are, quite frankly, very shocking. Allow me to point out the flaws here:
1) You’re criticizing MY writing abilities? Jesus Christ, lad. Look back at your previous posts. The lack of proper grammar and spelling is quite saddening. I understand we all make mistakes, but don’t criticize someone’s writing when you yourself cannot keep your thoughts in the correct tense. However, the absence of a proper grammatical influence in your writing pales in comparison to your mind-numbing rants.
2) So then let me ask you this then:
The dictionary defines “ideology” as this:
“A system of ideas and ideals, esp. one that forms the basis of economic or political policy.”
Given this definition, one would have to be almost entirely brain-dead to not subscribe to some sort of ideology. Now, granted, the ideology that any given person subscribes to may be much more deep than, say, “liberal” or “conservative”. It may be a custom ideology with a blend of several different viewpoints, but, when it comes down to it, everybody, with the exception of human vegetables, has either entirely or partially prescribed to a listed or unlisted ideology. However, you claim to be above and beyond our “frivolous” ideological disputes and have placed yourself in a position of self-proclaimed “authority” using your “conspiracy theory” regarding the education system as justification. So, finally, here’s the question: How would you describe your ideology?
3) Now, I have another question for you (I know, this might get a tad tedious). You seem to possess this notion that everyone, or majority of the population (with the grand exception of you, of course), has resorted to supporting this “modern slavery” and “Earth destroying” nature, due to the fact that the education system has warped our minds in some way, shape, or form. So, here’s the question: Where are the facts backing up your claims, and why subscribe to this way thinking?
4) With your logic, we also don’t need the poor either. The rich, after all, are (typically) the most successful in our society. Eliminating the rich not only has a lot of negative economic aspects to it (that I fear explaining to you because of your obvious commitment to the economically impossible), but it also might remove the genes of those who possess the drive, intelligence, and motivation to be successful. It’s like backwards Social Darwinism. So, here’s another question: Who needs the poor and why? I obviously do not subscribe to the horrible implications behind this question, as that would morally put me around Stalin and Hitler, but I am trying to show you the inherent flaws of your logic.

Originally posted by TheKnifeGrinder:

i didn’t write join PETA.. please don t talk about intelligence since with your writing you didn’t seem to have any. It’s not about form of economics and bla bla bla.. what u call national growth, prosperity, and innovation.. i call it destruction of planet, modern slavery etc etc.. they indoctrinate you since the beginning in (or even sooner) school with illusions and trap you into ideologies.

Yes, of course this is true. AND, it is the overwhelming cause of all social problems. It is what causes those who aren’t of that “ideology”—the rich ARE SUPPOSED TO GET RICHER while the poor get poorer—to actually “buy into” that ideology and vote against their own best interests.

… well in some matter there is no ideology.. you don t have to pollute water, endanger animal and plants of extinction.. for what? For nothing.

While one could see this as being a “truth”,,,the actual FULL truth is the one I present above. YOU ask: ""…for what?"". The “for” is to make the rich even richer…to hell w/ any concerns that demonstrate common sense and respect for human dignity and for Mother Earth.

Back on topic the health care is private cause some guys must do profit over medicine and people that suffer.. this is non sense.. you choose to make the doctor scientist to help cure people and defeat disease etc etc.. who needs rich people? none. Please free your mind don t be locked in medieval ideas and schemes.

Some damn good advice there. The sooner a huge majority of Americans realize the simple truth in it the soon we can save America from ruin greatly similar to the fall of Rome and most all of the other similar social systems.

Originally posted by scoopolard:

Haha. The vast ignorance of your posts are, quite frankly, very shocking. Allow me to point out the flaws here:

And yet, there are several of us that think the very same of YOU.

3) Now, I have another question for you (I know, this might get a tad tedious). You seem to possess this notion that everyone, or majority of the population (with the grand exception of you, of course), has resorted to supporting this “modern slavery” and “Earth destroying” nature, due to the fact that the education system has warped our minds in some way, shape, or form. So, here’s the question: Where are the facts backing up your claims, and why subscribe to this way thinking?

Where are YOUR facts that can—in any shape or form—refute this? YOU do NOTHING here but take his postion and simply say it is wrong and he should do more work on it so YOU can, AGAIN, do nothing more than say: “You are wrong and need to jump through my silly, troll-like hoops and do a lot more work….all because I don’t really have ANYTHING to rebut your claims”. THIS is pretty much YOUR modus operandi for discussions on this forum. That and petty insults.

4) With your logic, we also don’t need the poor either. The rich, after all, are (typically) the most successful in our society.

NO, it is YOUR interpretation of his logic it is grossly amiss here. Yes, the rich certainly are the most successful…..AT GETTING RICHER WHILE MAKING THE POOR POORER & fucking over any and everything that gets in the way of this “process” of theirs. This is what YOU (and a huge percentage of Americans) fail to understand because: “…they indoctrinate us from the beginning of school (or even sooner) w/ illusions and trap you into ideologies…” that are against your own best interests.

Eliminating the rich not only has a lot of negative economic aspects to it (that I fear explaining to you because of your obvious commitment to the economically impossible),

Aaaah, go ahead, (stop blustering about—AGAIN—by using this hackneyed crap excuse of your to not explain your opinion) and give it a try. Overcome this “fear” of yours.

…but it also might remove the genes of those who possess the drive, intelligence, and motivation to be successful. It’s like backwards Social Darwinism.

Oh, shit-fershur….YOU most definitely are gonna have to back up this mirthful opinion w/—what should be very “entertaining”—data. There WILL ALWAYS BE THE “RICH”. What is important here is to stop the monetary hemorrhaging of our society by doing an economic “adjustment” that accurately demonstrates a more equitable//fairer//rational distribution of profit made by ALL of those involved in the process.

So, here’s another question: Who needs the poor and why?

Wow-0-wow. What a totally ignorant question. The ONLY ppl who “need” the poor are the RICH…..get it?

I obviously do not subscribe to the horrible implications behind this question, as that would morally put me around Stalin and Hitler, but I am trying to show you the inherent flaws of your logic.

While YOU (and a huge percentage of Americans) say ya don’t subscribe to these horrible implications….yet, that indoctrination beginning in school (that TheKnife touts) tacitly is doing just that. THAT is no “flaw of logic”….it is merely the truth.

NO, it is YOUR interpretation of his logic it is grossly amiss here. Yes, the rich certainly are the most successful…..AT GETTING RICHER WHILE MAKING THE POOR POORER & fucking over any and everything that gets in the way of this “process” of theirs. This is what YOU (and a huge percentage of Americans) fail to understand because: “…they indoctrinate us from the beginning of school (or even sooner) w/ illusions and trap you into ideologies…” that are against your own best interests.

http://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/itv/articles/?id=1920

I think the key line is: “It is important to understand that income inequality is a byproduct of a well-functioning capitalist economy. Individuals’ earnings are directly related to their productivity. Wealthy people are not wealthy because they have more money; it is because they have greater productivity. Different incomes reflect different productivity levels.”

Also, I’m a bit mystified when you say the poor are getting poorer. Yes, the rich are making far more (and maybe you mean the poor are poorer relative to the rich?), but again, that’s what happens in a capitalistic society. It’s not happening because of tax breaks like some on the left would like the people to believe.

http://www.propublica.org/article/the-u.s.s-growing-income-gap-by-the-numbers

All income groups went up – granted the poorest fifth didn’t move up much, but they didn’t get poorer.

Where are YOUR facts that can—in any shape or form—refute this? YOU do NOTHING here but take his postion and simply say it is wrong and he should do more work on it so YOU can, AGAIN, do nothing more than say: “You are wrong and need to jump through my silly, troll-like hoops and do a lot more work….all because I don’t really have ANYTHING to rebut your claims”. THIS is pretty much YOUR modus operandi for discussions on this forum. That and petty insults.

While YOU (and a huge percentage of Americans) say ya don’t subscribe to these horrible implications….yet, that indoctrination beginning in school (that TheKnife touts) tacitly is doing just that. THAT is no “flaw of logic”….it is merely the truth.

So you both demand scoop to provide proof of his claim, yet at the same time, submitting that they are accurate by saying a huge percentage of Americans agree, unless your definition of huge is <50%.

The poor are getting poorer in that their wages have remained flat whilst the cost of living continues to increase.
Claiming that “poor people just produce less so they don’t make as much” is about as fallacious as it gets, man. A guy working an assembly-line style job isn’t being less productive. In this economic climate, most places push for more and more production out of employees, whilst not paying them any better, all in the name of “competition”.
That article reads like a talking points memo for the Tea Party or some equally ridiculous group. He ignores all sorts of legitimate data in order to whitewash the fact that there is an entire class of working poor in this country that simply do not earn enough money to survive without social assistance.
Rebuttal

Meanwhile, the upper income bracket is making gobs of money for….nothing, a lot of the time. Again, the claim that production equals income is patently false.
The very rich aren’t making money off of their production; they’re making money off of their money. I’m not saying that’s good or bad, just pointing out that production has dick all to do with it.
So people can claim that the problem isn’t systemic all they want, but the fact of the matter is, that’s just false.
NPR article about wages and cost of living

Originally posted by issendorf:

NO, it is YOUR interpretation of his logic it is grossly amiss here. Yes, the rich certainly are the most successful…..AT GETTING RICHER WHILE MAKING THE POOR POORER & fucking over any and everything that gets in the way of this “process” of theirs. This is what YOU (and a huge percentage of Americans) fail to understand because: “…they indoctrinate us from the beginning of school (or even sooner) w/ illusions and trap you into ideologies…” that are against your own best interests.

http://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/itv/articles/?id=1920

I think the key line is: “It is important to understand that income inequality is a byproduct of a well-functioning capitalist economy.

Did I say that the “concept” of capitalism doesn’t have merit? NO. I said our current capitalism is nothing more than license to rob from the poor….as in ROBBER BARONS

AND, your link there & it’s “key line” should note that it is writen by this guy Why he wants to use the "Fereral Reserve’s letter head is puzzling….NO, wait, it is what the lying-ass “new right” does.

Individuals’ earnings are directly related to their productivity.

Oh, bullshit. Earnings are directly related to what the wealthy (that’s RICH) can get away w/ and still have a work force….DUH.

Wealthy people are not wealthy because they have more money;

Wow, ya could have fooled me on that.

it is because they have greater productivity. Different incomes reflect different productivity levels.”

Yeah, a greater “productivity” at keeping as much of the “pie-of-production-monies” as they can…just like I said directly above and in my last post: “Yes, the rich certainly are the most successful…..AT GETTING RICHER WHILE MAKING THE POOR POORER & fucking over any and everything that gets in the way of this “process” of theirs.”

Instead of just blabbing out your differing opinion and inferring it makes mine wrong (well, that is if ya don’t completely ignore mine)…why not actually present something that might in some way show where//why mine is in error?

AND, saying some crazy shit like ""Different incomes reflect different productivity levels"" might mean something to the dull witted,,,,but anyone w/ common sense can see it really says NOTHING.

Also, I’m a bit mystified when you say the poor are getting poorer.

The fact that the concept of “rich-get-richer—the poor-get-poor” mystifies YOU really isn’t all that surprising.

Yes, the rich are making far more (and maybe you mean the poor are poorer relative to the rich?), but again, that’s what happens in a capitalistic society.

NO…NO. I quite well understand the principle of relativity. I’m talking about an actual MOVEMENT of inequality of incomes that benefit the rich.

It’s not happening because of tax breaks like some on the left would like the people to believe.

Lol….lol….lol…lol….lol

http://www.propublica.org/article/the-u.s.s-growing-income-gap-by-the-numbers

All income groups went up – granted the poorest fifth didn’t move up much, but they didn’t get poorer.

This if from that link: ""Third, though income growth has been unequally distributed, real income for all groups has grown over the past three decades."" THAT is what I am talking about.

Where are YOUR facts that can—in any shape or form—refute this? YOU do NOTHING here but take his postion and simply say it is wrong and he should do more work on it so YOU can, AGAIN, do nothing more than say: “You are wrong and need to jump through my silly, troll-like hoops and do a lot more work….all because I don’t really have ANYTHING to rebut your claims”. THIS is pretty much YOUR modus operandi for discussions on this forum. That and petty insults.

While YOU (and a huge percentage of Americans) say ya don’t subscribe to these horrible implications….yet, that indoctrination beginning in school (that TheKnife touts) tacitly is doing just that. THAT is no “flaw of logic”….it is merely the truth.

So you both demand scoop to provide proof of his claim, yet at the same time, submitting that they are accurate by saying a huge percentage of Americans agree, unless your definition of huge is <50%.

Please try again…none of that actually makes much sense.

universal health care is bad because why should MY HARD EARNED MONEY help other people?

I’m not greedy or anything, I just don’t think my money should help anyone who isn’t me!!!

Originally posted by CROWlingInMySkin:

universal health care is bad because why should MY HARD EARNED MONEY help other people?

I’m not greedy or anything, I just don’t think my money should help anyone who isn’t me!!!

Who said we are talking about YOUR money helping other ppl.
While that is the fact of the matter at the moment.
YOU fail to understand such is the machinations of the rich.
They are fucking over BOTH the middle and lower classes…..DUH.

AND, your link there & it’s “key line” should note that it is writen by this guy Why he wants to use the "Fereral Reserve’s letter head is puzzling….NO, wait, it is what the lying-ass “new right” does.

So you’re attacking the man and not the idea. I feel like that strategy has been criticized by the left on these forums plenty of times…

Oh, bullshit. Earnings are directly related to what the wealthy (that’s RICH) can get away w/ and still have a work force….DUH.

Citation needed.

Yeah, a greater “productivity” at keeping as much of the “pie-of-production-monies” as they can…just like I said directly above and in my last post: “Yes, the rich certainly are the most successful…..AT GETTING RICHER WHILE MAKING THE POOR POORER & fucking over any and everything that gets in the way of this “process” of theirs.”

How dare people want to keep more of their money as opposed to giving it to a federal government that wastes hundred of billions of dollars every year. Those monsters! How dare they prefer to give to private charities who make legit use of cash rather than the federal government that spends half a billion on defunct solar panel companies.

Instead of just blabbing out your differing opinion and inferring it makes mine wrong (well, that is if ya don’t completely ignore mine)…why not actually present something that might in some way show where//why mine is in error?

As opposed to the person who only cites Wikipedia…

Lol….lol….lol…lol….lol

More citations needed.

This if from that link: ""Third, though income growth has been unequally distributed, real income for all groups has grown over the past three decades."" THAT is what I am talking about.

No, you’re typing in obnoxious caps that the poor are getting poorer, you know, like when you said: “Yes, the rich certainly are the most successful…..AT GETTING RICHER WHILE MAKING THE POOR POORER.”

Also, I feel like you didn’t bother reading what I wrote. I mentioned that the wealthy got richer than the poor. It’s part of the capitalist beast. Putting in Obama’s tax hike won’t negate income inequality.

Please try again…none of that actually makes much sense.

Just pointing out more of that patented Karma hypocrisy, although its so rampant from you, I suppose at this point it really isn’t noteworthy.

Originally posted by karmakoolkid:

Originally posted by CROWlingInMySkin:

universal health care is bad because why should MY HARD EARNED MONEY help other people?

I’m not greedy or anything, I just don’t think my money should help anyone who isn’t me!!!

Who said we are talking about YOUR money helping other ppl.
While that is the fact of the matter at the moment.
YOU fail to understand such is the machinations of the rich.
They are fucking over BOTH the middle and lower classes…..DUH.

Dude. Relax, Karma…he’s trolling. DUH :P

Wealthy people are not wealthy because they have more money; it is because they have greater productivity.

What the fuck is this for kind of ignorance? I mean, most ignorance could make me mad, but this one stems from a “rich people should stay rich people” kind of mentality due to the fact that the rich defined productivity in the first place (and if you would use it more correctly, then you’d be wrong with your statement). Wealthy people are wealthy because they’re born with rich daddies in a rich environment with rich connections and a shitload of luck. Poor people are poor because they’re born in a crappy environment with costly schools and their family not having enough to help them through college or into a better job. Your natural skills have some effect, and there definitely are poor people in rich environments and rich people in poor environments, but those are exceptions.

I’m not greedy or anything, I just don’t think my money should help anyone who isn’t me!!!

That’s what I’d say if I was rich.