Crime and color

Before you read this, keep in mind, statistics are not racist. They are simply facts.

Blacks comprise about 12% of the population but commit over 50% of the homicides.

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_03.html

Blacks are 2.1 times more likely to commit simple assault and 3.1 times more likely to commit aggravated assault, 7.3 times more likely to commit sexual assault, and 36 times more likely to commit robbery. These are huge differences, considering proportionally the amount of blacks as compared to whites. Overall, blacks are 7 times more likely to commit crime.

As of the 2008 NCVS, blacks committed 83% of the 520,000 violent crimes. This shows blacks are more likely to target whites then whites to blacks. Now heres where everyone starts calling me racist and present the counter arguments, which usually fit into the following. 1. “Thats because whites are richer!” Only 21% of all black-on-white crimes were robberies. The rest were assaults, sexual assaults and rapes with no economic motive. 2. “Poverty explains black crime!” Makes sense, but race differences in crime rates persist after controlling for socioeconomic status [Lauritsen & Sampsom (2000), “Minorities, Crime, and Criminal Justice”]. In simple terms, if blacks had the same jobs, incomes and education as whites, they would commit crimes at an only 22% less rate. Does poverty cause rape? Arson? Don’t conceive ridiculous excuses for violent criminals. 3. “The police are racist!” This is rather insulting to the police. If there were systemic racism, the largest arrest rate gaps would be for crimes where the police have the most discretion in making arrests. D’Alezzio and Stolzenberg did a study called “Race and the Probability of Arrest” which showed that blacks were only more likely to be arrested in cases of vandalism and liquor law violations. Asians were shown to be arrested less than whites in every scenario. Do white cops really love asians that much? Why is this never brought up, and when it is, the people that do are immediately branded racists? These statistics are damning. I feel that this is a serious problem that needs to be addressed, not danced around by politically correct idealists. I read the formatting guide but making a new line doesn’t seem to make a new paragraph. Any help?

As long as you understand it’s how a person grew up that defines who they are, not their color… Strange statistics. I blame the white men for segregating the black men into lower quality communities (and I think most of them were) and treating them like dogs, making them want to stay segregated…

How does having a different skin colour make it more likely that you, as an individual, commit a crime?

EDIT: Let me rephrase. No actions should be taken. The only thing this will cause is that black people are more often locked up as a precaution, more often asked questions when crimes took place, and more often picked out when people are searched at airports. This will make you, as a black person, feel you have less rights than a white person. Which would be a fact.

Blacks comprise about 12% of the population but commit over 50% of the homicides.

The data you provided does not support this statement.

Blacks are 2.1 times more likely to commit simple assault and 3.1 times more likely to commit aggravated assault, 7.3 times more likely to commit sexual assault, and 36 times more likely to commit robbery. These are huge differences, considering proportionally the amount of blacks as compared to whites. Overall, blacks are 7 times more likely to commit crime.

As of the 2008 NCVS, blacks committed 83% of the 520,000 violent crimes. This shows blacks are more likely to target whites then whites to blacks.

Given that your very first claim did not match the data that you yourself provided, your credibility is not sufficient for me to accept these claims on faith. Provide the data that supports these claims.

Originally posted by Klatoo:

Blacks comprise about 12% of the population but commit over 50% of the homicides.

The data you provided does not support this statement.

Blacks are 2.1 times more likely to commit simple assault and 3.1 times more likely to commit aggravated assault, 7.3 times more likely to commit sexual assault, and 36 times more likely to commit robbery. These are huge differences, considering proportionally the amount of blacks as compared to whites. Overall, blacks are 7 times more likely to commit crime.

As of the 2008 NCVS, blacks committed 83% of the 520,000 violent crimes. This shows blacks are more likely to target whites then whites to blacks.

Given that your very first claim did not match the data that you yourself provided, your credibility is not sufficient for me to accept these claims on faith. Provide the data that supports these claims.

It does. Black population was not in that graph but I didn’t think I’d have to spoonfeed a statistic that is a google away. http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-02.pdf As for the homicides, its actually slightly more then fifty percent. 5286 to 5890. Are you trying to nitpick? The difference there is quite small, and it still supports what I’m saying. Seeing as your first two claims of my date was incorrect, I’m not going to spoonfeed you the rest. Heres the 2008 NCVS, and do the math yourself. http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv08.pdf

Go back to your first link. http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_03.html

Look at the first line of data. Write it out if you have to. Do the math.

Originally posted by Shrub:

D’Alezzio and Stolzenberg did a study called “Race and the Probability of Arrest” which showed that blacks were only more likely to be arrested in cases of vandalism and liquor law violations. Asians were shown to be arrested less than whites in every scenario. Do white cops really love asians that much?

Why is this never brought up, and when it is, the people that do are immediately branded racists? These statistics are damning. I feel that this is a serious problem that needs to be addressed, not danced around by politically correct idealists. I read the formatting guide but making a new line doesn’t seem to make a new paragraph. Any help?

I could make a couple guesses as to why this is. Either the statistics are skewed/from an unreliable source, or a deeper sociological reason for the stastistics exist. This could likely be:

(a) Blacks were separated and treated lowly for so long that they are only now beginning to catch up to the whites in gaining fruitful educational and career opportunities. I have seen two trends in the black community today—black people who are responsible and intelligent and chase a career like anyone else, and those that embrace the thug/ghetto culture. As a point I would like to say that it’s pretty sad a well educated and accomplished black person is ever shunned by their own community by acting too “white”. This attitude only holds them back as a whole.

(b) I would guess that the Asians were arrested less frequently than whites, again, by their culture. In America, we have a predominant mindset of “carry our weakest” and “no child left behind”. In some of the Asian countries, as evidenced by books like Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother, they are pretty damn strict and have standards we would consider downright draconian. With the bar of their culture of origin set so high, it’s no surprise to me that on the whole they are better behaved.

And now a reply to my post.

Originally posted by Darkruler2005:

And now a reply to my post.

And now a quote of your reply

Shrub, there are some things you need to understand about NCVS data. Firstly, it is self reported by victims. Before continuing establish this fact in your mind for a second. Take a deep breath and relax for a second.

Ok, ready? Now take this quiz

Do you understand?

NCVS data is meant to be used by professionals who understand how to analyze data and understand how methodologies influence the conclusions that can be drawn from it. One thing you can correctly draw from this sort of data is trends, trends like this:

Characteristics of victims of violent crimes measured by the
NCVS in 2008 were similar to previous years. Males,
blacks, and persons age 24 or younger experienced violent
victimizations at higher or somewhat higher rates than
females, whites, and persons age 25 or older (table 4).

and this:

With the exception of simple assault, blacks experienced
higher rates than whites for every violent crime measured
by the NCVS. Blacks also had higher rates than persons of
other races (American Indian, Alaska Native, Asian, Native
Hawaiian, and other Pacific Islander) of overall violence and
simple assault, and marginally higher rates of robbery and
aggravated assault.

In 2008, 1% of the U.S. population self-identified as being of
more than one race. Individuals of more than one race
experienced violent crime at rates 2 to 3 times higher than
whites, blacks, or persons of other races.

I’m assuming your link to NCVS is meant to support the statement:

As of the 2008 NCVS, blacks committed 83% of the 520,000 violent crimes. This shows blacks are more likely to target whites then whites to blacks.

It doesn’t though. But hey, maybe I’m wrong. Can you quote the specific part of that link that supports your statement, I can’t seem to find it.

But back to your first link for a second. Why did you feel it was appropriate to discard almost 30% of the data? You don’t have to answer me or this forum or anyone else. I ask you to answer only one person, yourself. When you do this answer yourself more truthfully than you’ve ever answered yourself before. When you arrive at an answer to this question that adds up and rings true you may begin to understand why:

…heres where everyone starts calling me racist and present the counter arguments…

You really have a choice ahead of you. You can go someplace like here and begin on a journey of learning about physical reality, or you can go someplace like here and continue down this road of fantasy and hatred. I hope you will choose wisely, but the choice is yours to make.

Statistics are not complete without Mexicans and Hispanics.

Originally posted by epicshowdown:

Statistics are not complete without Mexicans and Hispanics.

Or Asians, or Middle Easterners, or Hindus, or Native Americans, or, or, or…

Why the hell do we care if it is a black guy, a white guy, a middle eastern, mexican, hispanic, etc.? Does it matter? Next people are going to start saying that woolly creatures commit 25% of all crimes…

Originally posted by lSWATLLAMA:

Why the hell do we care if it is a black guy, a white guy, a middle eastern, mexican, hispanic, etc.? Does it matter? Next people are going to start saying that woolly creatures commit 25% of all crimes…

sounds right..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHoRzTzNlLA

You trying to cover up something there llama? o_O

You know, llamas are only 5% of the population but they’re responsible for over 95% of the chocolate pudding! This link PROVES it!
It’s part of the llama conspiracy to control the world’s supply of pudding! Gotta keep your eyes on those shifty llamas.

WE’RE ON TO YOU LLAMA!

;P

Only the eithically ignorant would consider this racist. Facts are facts.

This shows blacks are more likely to target whites then whites to blacks.

Yup, but blacks are 96% more likey to over-eggagerate it as a hate crime.

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As long as the blacks are “the most targeted for racism”, which has probably been BS since the 1990’s, they, the ones who blow things out of proportion have the media in their grip.

Still, it is not the ethnicity. Unless you’re implying that all African Americans are de-evolved, aggresive apemen (which they certainly aren’t) then the race does not matter. It’s where (race/ethnicity) was raised. Not to generalize, but Blacks have been somewhat infamous to be raised in Ghettos and such sadly, and you know what they say; “bad seeds come from bad trees” or something like that.

Facts are facts.

Only the eithically ignorant would consider this racist. Facts are facts.

This shows blacks are more likely to target whites then whites to blacks.

Yup, but blacks are 96% more likey to over-eggagerate it as a hate crime.

What facts are you basing these statements on?

Originally posted by Klatoo:

You trying to cover up something there llama? o_O

You know, llamas are only 5% of the population but they’re responsible for over 95% of the chocolate pudding! This link PROVES it!
It’s part of the llama conspiracy to control the world’s supply of pudding! Gotta keep your eyes on those shifty llamas.

WE’RE ON TO YOU LLAMA!

;P

We make banana pudding, tard.

Originally posted by DrOctaganapus2:

Only the eithically ignorant would consider this racist. Facts are facts.

This shows blacks are more likely to target whites then whites to blacks.

Yup, but blacks are 96% more likey to over-eggagerate it as a hate crime.

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As long as the blacks are “the most targeted for racism”, which has probably been BS since the 1990’s, they, the ones who blow things out of proportion have the media in their grip.

Still, it is not the ethnicity. Unless you’re implying that all African Americans are de-evolved, aggresive apemen (which they certainly aren’t) then the race does not matter. It’s where (race/ethnicity) was raised. Not to generalize, but Blacks have been somewhat infamous to be raised in Ghettos and such sadly, and you know what they say; “bad seeds come from bad trees” or something like that.

True, true.

Originally posted by Klatoo:

Facts are facts.

Only the eithically ignorant would consider this racist. Facts are facts.

This shows blacks are more likely to target whites then whites to blacks.

Yup, but blacks are 96% more likey to over-eggagerate it as a hate crime.

What facts are you basing these statements on?

Normal everyday media.

Under the same circumstances, here’s what would happen (probably):

“A white person was not hired because he did not follow the requirements.”

“An asian american was not hired because there were too many workers already.”

“An african american man was not hired because of the same reason the asian american wasn’t. Accusing this as racism and/or segregation, the employee-to-be requested a list of all the bosses ethnicities, showing that 53% of (name’s) workers are african american or a similar descent.”

Of course, it can go that way for the white, asian or anybody, but odds are that is what it would look like on the news.

Can you show some of this normal everyday media?

Originally posted by Klatoo:

Can you show some of this normal everyday media?

FOX, Yahoo.

I think he’s asking for links with references to scientific studies.

Only the eithically ignorant would consider this racist. Facts are facts.

Only the scientifically ignorant would call everything an immediate fact without considering the factors.

Skin colour logically cannot ever be a factor in whether you’re more likely to commit a crime. That is blatantly ridiculous. If more black people than white people are locked up, we must find out the source, not go “omg, it’s the evil blacks, we must now commit racism and tell everyone it isn’t racism because we just found out they’re so evil!”.

Originally posted by Darkruler2005:

Skin colour logically cannot ever be a factor in whether you’re more likely to commit a crime. That is blatantly ridiculous. If more black people than white people are locked up, we must find out the source, not go “omg, it’s the evil blacks, we must now commit racism and tell everyone it isn’t racism because we just found out they’re so evil!”.

I think economic factors play the larger role in commission of crimes.

There is no inherent correlation. Whatsoever. No one can point at a random black man and say, “He’s going to be a great drug dealer, someday!”

Physical environment, social environment, and socioeconomic factors affect all people, irrespective of “race”.

Originally posted by Klatoo:

Blacks comprise about 12% of the population but commit over 50% of the homicides.

The data you provided does not support this statement.

Blacks are 2.1 times more likely to commit simple assault and 3.1 times more likely to commit aggravated assault, 7.3 times more likely to commit sexual assault, and 36 times more likely to commit robbery. These are huge differences, considering proportionally the amount of blacks as compared to whites. Overall, blacks are 7 times more likely to commit crime.

As of the 2008 NCVS, blacks committed 83% of the 520,000 violent crimes. This shows blacks are more likely to target whites then whites to blacks.

Given that your very first claim did not match the data that you yourself provided, your credibility is not sufficient for me to accept these claims on faith. Provide the data that supports these claims.

I’ll listen to my major senses and real-life experience over any statistics, whether my perception-based beliefs be validated or refuted by them.

I believe that people can be conditioned to become something that they naturally would not be due to foreign cultures, but where do you think the social behavior of these foreign cultures come from?

They had to stem from an unspoken collective behavior and a natural inclination towards a specific train of thought/mindset. Where do these Asian cultural “standards” come from, if their culture is uniquely their’s? From their natural self-restraint and generally non-violent, passive, mature nature. Didn’t come from any of us, that’s for sure.